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6460, oh come on now
Posted by LexM, Sat Nov-16-02 08:10 AM
>>that i don't know the bible well enough to point out a
>>scripture, but i will work on it. however, men have been
>>using some justification to do it all these years. perhaps
>>the term "chastise" has been taken too far, i don't know.
>Response: Thats just it, men have done this. Not the
>scripures themselves.

but it's all about how those scriptures are interpreted. that's why we have a million & one denominations now. that's all you have. so to say that "it's the men & not the scriptures", how about you follow a system that doesn't even give you an excuse to go that route because women aren't specifically targeted as "less than"?

>Response: No,the people in the big 3 are resposible not the
>scripures. Well at least the scriptures don't condone this
>action. We don't have verse that admit that man has a degree
>of advantage over women. (2:228)

ok maybe not specifically, but there's plenty about the husband being the head, "wives submit to your husbands," etc. and yes, i know that whole "the man's supposed to submit to god" thing, but the majority don't take it that far.

you know most christian men don't have a deep enough understanding to take those passages as meaning much more than "i run the show". and a lot of christian women play into that mentality themselves.

>>hence, i don't know why you insist on arguing details about
>>the DEGREE of disrespect women face in either system.
>Response: Oh i don't kmow, maybe its because we don't
>require women to wear veil in order to make sure we don't
>lust. Or walk behind us nor are we allowed to beat(hit) them
>or banish them from our beds.

some christian women are forced to wear skirts and/or cover most of their bodies/hair 24/7, as i'm sure you know. again, it all boils down to interpretation. scripture may not DETAIL a practice, but apparently IMPLICATION is enough in most cases.

>Response: Yeah but my view is dealing with women preaching.
>Neither view is disrespecting women in any way, I just think
>that God has set roles for each gender to do. I don't think
>men are smarter, or can hit their wives. I just think it has
>to do with function instead of superiority.

well how do u know most muslim men feel that way? and i think you have quite a few views most christian men might not vibe w/ too well, considering the conversations i've had with a few.

>Response: Not always. I know some stories of people who were
>saved after listening to debates. After examining both sides
>of the issue. so I think it has some good.

hmph. well if christianity is supposed to "save" me, i'd rather be a heathen, thanks.

hey...who's gonna buy me for christmas??

i wanna channel words like
whoopi channeled ghosts
break nouns, verbs and concepts
like mongolian equestrians
break horses
and ride across mental deserts
with deceptively easy beauty
(c) lesley anne m. 2002