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6457, RE: show me scripture
Posted by THE TROLL UNDER THE BRIDGE, Thu Nov-14-02 06:55 PM
all of them are the same...and uthman was the 3rd khalif not the 4th (not the brightest bulb on the shelf are we?)


the differences in the quranic methods were:

hafsa had the final order the rasool (saw) recited it every day...

ibn masood had it in the order revealed....

and others had various manuscripts...the quran on the other hand was comitted to memory by some of his (saw) scribes...including muawiyyah (ra)...in fact if you looking for juice the fact that uthman (ra) burned the quran after the confirmation by thousands that that was the final order (like he didnt know it, uthman was also a qari but thw way we do things in islam is not based on conjecture....uthman knew in order secure his place in history PROPERLY he couldnt burn any copy that may have been the good mushaf........if he did? we would not have the quran in its order...and no none exist....unless you know of the way they scribed it? they did it on bone...and on paper later....there werent any "books' of the quranic recitation untill umar (ra) comissioned to have the all collected..and uthman (ra) decided to go with the way the rasool taught it to him...and his wife hafsa...and others...ibn masood was the only one with another complete viable version, and that was the order it was revealed in.....BUT the problem is that then you would have to know what ayat goes where....for example the begining of surah 5 was the last ayat to be revealed

Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah; that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: Yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islám as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful (5:3)

that would make no sense to those who weent trained in the quran if this was last...because eits actually part of suratul maída (number 5)........ so uthman did all us lay muslims o favor anf got rid of all that ould cause us confusion.....as far as the text is concerned..its all the same...and the order is the true order oof the quran.......because the order it was revealed is not cronological......


you should ask qustions like why did muawiyyah drink the blood of the rasool (saw).....or why did ayesha (ra) go to basra....what happened to hassan (ra) and heusein (ra)...why are there 4 schools of fiqh...you know things that are a bit harder........not childish "there be 2 qurans"....and none of those are hard to answer.....because the masters of this islam business say "to every difficult question there is an easy answer"........if i was smart i would say and vice versa.....but i am not going to take that liberty till i know for sure.......bye bye :)