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Posted by dhalgren718, Mon Oct-13-03 08:47 AM
the answers are predictable, you knw where I'm gonna land, so let's start here:
ZIONISM AS RACISM, ISRAEL AS A RACIST STATE:
Define it as religious prejudice if you want, because there are black, arab, caucasian, asian Jews- and mixtures - and racism isn't defined by 'nation' (not nation-STATE), it's defined by the narrow, self-replicating, self-cataloging system we support every day. And yes, there are varying degrees of access, expectations, persecution, and shitty behavior withing that mixture, but we don't live in a perfect world, we are not a monolithic (or monochromatic) culture and the same beefs exist in everyone else's nations, so I really don't care.
As far as Israel being an oppressive, militaristic culture - sure. No argument. But it's no worse than its neighbors. Ask the Christians, ask the Kurds, or if you want to toss Turkey in the mix as peripherally Middle eastern; ask the Armenians. Argue away: the Muslim Middle East is a brutal environment, and Israel is a part of that landscape. Here's a fun-facts page sponsored by an Australian Christian group! http://www.hraic.org/persecution_of_christians.html
Israel is a Jewish state. When its neighbors take 'Islamic Republic of...' off their names and become secular democracies with clear, stable means of election as opposed to vague, unstable means of linear succession; I'll acquiesce. I imagine that day will come twenty minutes after Hell freezes over, so I'll kindly be holding my breath over by the oxygen tanks. There isn't a state in that region that supports a balanced religious plurality, and won't be for some time, if ever. I don't see anyone pissing and moaning over strictly Islamic states, even when they levy injustices within their populations; so I'll take your grinding over a Jewish state as just being a case of 'intense focus'.
Let the Russian Roulette begin.
PS: I missed this while OOC.