"Either you are connected to nature or you aren't" is overly simplistic - yes some cultures had more reverence than others, but it is alot more complicated that either/or and saying that non-Europeans were connected to nature and Europeans weren't - the Polynesians of Easter Island speak to that point.

>That is my point. I am after what is not accepted because
>there is some truth there, as well.

If you want to make up your own definition of civilization that's fine for you, just don't expect anyone else to buy it.

>I can but I am still at work...more later...

Okay, but I doubt it... remember, the operative word is *self* destuctive - destroying other societies is irrelevant in this case, unless it destroyed their own society in the process.

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"This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man." - The Dude