>>True,Israel was built on the ruins of the palestine.
>although
>>there was never ever a state called palestine...it was
>merely
>>a "nickname" for previous conquerers (Turkish,British).
>
>you europeans are ridiculous. as if i havent heard this a
>million times before. you think that because there was no
>european recognized state, that there was no nation.
>ethnocentric thinking.

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First of all i'm only half european and the other half is Yamenite. there was not anything in which the arabs and bedouins living in Israel at the time could be considered as a "nation" i.e. no self governning authority. no local independant culture etc. thats a fact and you know it.
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>
>there
>>was a UN resolution to divide the country in two,but the
>arab
>>Mofti at the time decided to fight instead.
>
>why would you accept a bunch of europeans offering you half
>your land that was just yours the day before? it wasnt theirs
>to give, ever think of that?

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If you do not agree with a "bunch of europeans" than why do you cry out to the UN in any chance and conclude their resolutions such as 242 ???
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>
>>
>>Unfortnatly,very country and every place inhibited on earth
>is
>>a result of conquer and occupation.just take a deep look
>into
>>the entire history of the human race all over the globe.
>>
>
>FALSE

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False??? wheredo you live right now??? talk to any history expert. peoples and races were constantly conqured and occupied and in most cases were enforced to practice the opressors religion and customs!

it always happened and will sadly keep going on. read some books on the origins of cultures.
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>
>>Personally I do not agree with my governmant actions nor any
>>other government.I did'nt join the mandatory 3 years army on
>>my own account.Unfortunately this complicated situation
>>enforces even me to think as "us" and "them" while I'm
>>basically a peaceful man.
>>
>
>as i understand it's impossible to get out of occupation
>service unless youre ultra-orthodox or palestinian in israel.
>which one are you? or is there another way?

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the other way to avoid it is to declare yourseldf as a pacifist,against the government,and to face time in Jail.
you see why generalising is bad???
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>
>>Gaza is surely still dependent in Israel's borders,goods and
>>electricity,
>
>that wasnt my point, that theyre dependent. my point is that
>theyre occupied.
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they are occupied because lets never forget that in 67' israel was attacked by 6 arab nations.and had to take this places as strategic mean,too bad we never gave it back at the time and let you deal with your own issues....
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>
>they could be wiser and look at the future but
>>instead choose Hamas,a terror organisation responsible for
>>thousand of deaths by suicide bombers all over Israel.
>killing
>>and especially targeting civilians.
>>
>
>they are looking to the future, thats why they chose hamas.
>instead of voting for the party that was systematically giving
>up every one of our basic rights, they voted for the party
>that would not compromise on what is rightfully ours...and not
>even what they think is rightfully ours, but what the law
>says. AND BY THE WAY...in your rush to deal with the west bank
>and avoid gaza you israelis consistently forget that hamas was
>not elected in gaza! they dominated the elections all over the
>west bank too. the only difference is that fatah worked with
>israel to systematically jail the majority of the hamas led
>parliament so they couldnt do anything.
>AND...the hamas "coup"- it was a preemptive move to prevent
>the takeover that fatah, israel, and the us were planning with
>dahlan...and it wasnt even a secret.
>
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they choose hamas because they were f***ed up by fatah for true...
it's funny that whenever muslims slain each other it's ok..i.e hammas vs. fatah,soni vs. shiite etc...
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>>just so you can understand the complexity,even Egypt dont
>>wanna deal with Gaza,and are worried that the actual agenda
>>there is not to finish of the Israeli occupation but to
>>radicalize the entire middle east into a "jihad war" against
>>any liberal models.
>>
>
>really?? egypt is worried about the "jihad war???" or could it
>be that they dont want support for hamas to rise because
>theyre supported by the muslim brotherhood in egypt? and that
>if egypt had a halfway free election ever, the brotherhood
>would win. or could it be because egypt is number 2 in the
>world as far as us aid...behind israel of course.
>always interesting to me how israelis look at egypt and jordan
>as beacons of hope and modernity, when theyre 2 of the least
>democratic countries in the world.
>
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egypt is worried that it will become another Iran. if you agree with the jihad and the sharia laws.maybe go live there...
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>
>>oddly enough,Egypt shoot at Sudaneese refugee's escaping the
>>horror inflicted opun them by their "muslim brothers" while
>>Israel let them in...
>>
>
>finish the sentence...let them in and put them in jail. you
>still think this is all about islam, huh? most of the nations
>around the world that speak out for palestinian rights arent
>muslim.
>in fact, palestinian rights are supported by the most diverse
>group of people around the world you can imagine. who supports
>israel besides jews who feel it's their obligation?
>evangelical christians? politicians? good company there.
>
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in jail????????? thats a lie. they live in shelters all over israel in far from luxury conditions but still away from their "brothers" shabarya's and guns
p.s. last thursday there was a bob marley birthday show here and 200 tickets were dontated to sudanese refugees inc. busses to and from the venue.
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>
>>What the people over there should understand is that even in
>>rough times they can still help themselves. because the
>worst
>>occupation is mental slavery.
>
>spare us. this shit is condescending and honestly useless from
>you. as if we need to take advice from you. and oddly enough,
>catch phrases dont always translate to real life. an apache
>missile will reduce your entire family to pieces, whether or
>not youve freed your minds. plenty of liberated minds have
>starved to death in gaza. it's mental slavery that controls
>ramallah at this point.
>
>
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an apache missile is always targeted at militants.if your militants would not be hiding inside civiliand there would not be innocent deaths.
Hamas is happy to kill innocent jews wherever they can. busses,clubs,resturants,the more the merrier.!!!

>>
>>Peace and Sallam.
>
>
>your country will never allow us to attain our rights through
>peace, so why address me as such?
>
>we choose resistance.

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keep on with your resistance...there are 70 virgins waiting for shahids like you in hell...

Peace again.

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