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32700, RE: Are you in Denial?
Posted by foxnesn, Fri May-27-05 05:01 AM
where do i begin...
>
>Modern day Christians are quoting Leviticus as evidence that
>Gays shouldn't marry, that there is a Gay Agenda that needs to
>be fought, etc.

modern day christians are being misled

>So, obviously - the old Testament is still quite relevant to
>modern day christians who can easily use it to justify
>atrocities. In fact, it quite clearly says that you should
>kill "Non-believers" as well:

it is relevant to a group of people who call themselves christians but who obviously never read a single word christ said.
>
>"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy
>daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as
>thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and
>serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy
>fathers;" (Deuteronomy 13: 6)
>
>"Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him;
>neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare,
>neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill
>him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death,
>and afterwards the hand of all the people." (Deuteronomy
>13:8-9)

christ did not come to condemn man but to save him.
>
>Christians used the Bible to justify the the Spanish
>Inquisition, Slavery, Jim Crow and latter day White Supremacy
>- now you can argue that those actions don't reflect the
>spirit of the words in the Bible or the spirit of the religion
>and I agree, BUT the fact remains that people are in fact
>using it to justify atrocities, just like people are doing
>with Islam.

islam cant make the old testament excuse! the koran expressingly permit the killing of infidels. straight from muhammads mouth! christ however was sent my god with a new covenant.
>
>It's no different - Extremists use religion to justify their
>actions, it's not a function of any specific religion.

but extremists still excersise 'religion' therefore should we be tolerant of it? are you willing to admit you are not religiously tolerant?
>
>As for the New Testament - a quick Google Search found the
>following:
>
>In the New Testament: Paul commanded: "Slaves, obey your
>earthly masters with respect and fear." (Ephesians 6:5, a
>command repeated in 1 Timothy 6:1, Colossians 3:22, Titus 2:9,
>and 1 Peter 2:18,21.) Remember that Paul lived under the Roman
>Empire, whose slave system was one of the most terrible in
>history.

so...in historical context this makes perfect sense. paul wasnt out to challenge ceasar, rather he excepted the situation and preached toward it. besides, paul was in jail when he wrote this so he was screwed beforehand by the romans.
>
>Another quote from a 3 second Google Search:
>
> "If Christianity really repudiates the Old Testament, then
>why is the Old Testament still included in the Christian Holy
>Bible? Why do Christian priests and preachers still base
>entire doctrines on Old Testament Verses? Why do Christian
>politicians try to get the Ten Commandments posted in public
>places? Why do most Christians still circumcize their little
>boys if they don't believe in keeping the old covenant with
>God?"

the old testament is included because it lays out the story of christ. it is basically the family tree of christ.
>
>I suppose I could spend more time engaging in Google Bible
>Study, but your argument that Christianity and the Bible
>haven't been used to justify atrocities is completely false.

i never said the bible hasnt been used to justify atrocities. ive said the bible has been misused to justify them.