>Morals: motivation based on ideas of right and wrong.
>Morals are what we make into laws and judge others with.
>This is right or wrong based on the book of law...not based
>on life and nonjudgement.
>
>For example, after several years of observing my father's
>abuse I told him I loved him. I hugged him as he cried and
>waited for the police to arrive because I did not judge him
>for his actions. I was 6 or 7 years old. Several years
>later, I sat down and had a conversation with him about
>nonjudgement. Ever notice how many children who are abused
>still have nothing but love and compassion for their abusers
>(parents, guardians, etc.)? Even after a young lifetime of
>hurt they still have love for them. Law passes down
>judgement while compassion requires that we see beyond the
>action to the soul underneath.

So why compassion? Why not hate?
This person hurt you. Objectively, in a vacuum, that should be enough to either seperate from that person or hurt them back.

But why compassion, forgiveness, etc?
Why do we have morality?

Your example is actually a great example once you see what this post is debating and realize what side of the issue your statements are actually supporting. Have you read any other of the other posts except your own?
I'm just curious.


>Morals are laws. People create them to control the masses
>and they are often used to create boundaries that cause some
>people to lose their minds. Compassion is not a law,
>neither is reverence or nonjugement. These are life choices
>that we make, not laws we must abide by.

So what is natural law? What is the law of human nature?
Is it something we've made up. Or is it the NATURAL?




>Any animal is capable of compassion or destruction.


Yes, correct. So why, as humans, do we favor compassion, and scorn those who bring destruction? Why do we not praise and adore destruction?

Humans
>make up laws but most things understand or are connected to
>the laws of nature and the universe that are not made by
>man.

Exactly!
So these laws of nature... where do they come from?
You seem to have identified just fine that there are basic principles that are part of us that we did not INVENT. Correct?

Now this post asks, WHY?

Christians assert that our morality... our human nature... this tugging inside of us to do RIGHT rather than WRONG, is evidence of God.

>Human laws and morals are not necessarily based upon
>the universe or nature. They exist to control people.

Of course driving on the right side of the rode is not based in universal/natural law.

But that is not what we're talking about here. You're going to have to differentiate because it makes no sense to speak of a law like that as if it is innate.

However, you're also going to have to recognize (actually you already have), that now all laws come to us in this manner.

Driving to the right hand side of the road very well could have been different, or opposite.

But could "don't murder people" very well have been different or opposite?
Or is there a "morality" here that is derived from our natural/universal law?

If so, why?

Once again, Christians say... because of God.


>At some point, some humans created laws that required that
>people pray to man as a representative of God.

Correct... however your speaking about something other than Christianity.
I don't doubt that there are odd religions that would have me confess my sins to a man in a wooden box behind a screen. But that is not what Christianity teaches. Therefore you are not free, or able to lump Christianity in with whatever religion you are speaking of that requires men to go to "other men" in order to "get to God". Christianity teaches a personal and loving God whom is available to all.


>It was at
>this point that the world became centered on man and rather
>than respect the laws that existed before man existed,

So you agree. Man did not invent the idea that men should not murder eachother. This is something that was "put into us" by whomever created us. No?

>men
>created laws that would maintain his status on earth. These
>so-called laws became morals.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Which specifically of these "man-made" laws are YOU calling a moral. I can't think of any personally... and you're saying that there are, so I'd like to hear which you think is.

My argument is that our most basic laws... don't steal... respect others property... don't murder... don't rape... etc... are derived from a morality that is within us.... also known as "natural law"... or "the law of nature".


>Compassion and reverence for
>all life is not necessary in this case.


So WHY do we praise compassion and reverance for life as opposed to abhorring it!?

This is the point of this post.


peace.