not to gang up or anything... but I have the same complaint about you Tek. And that hit it on the head.

but Johnny,
along the same lines... it seems as if you hold fast to your argument even once it has been countered and requires new support/evidence. In short, it seems you ignore counters to what you're saying.

I'm saying this because you just said society would plummit into anarchy without morality. Yet on this post we've been talking about the rigid structure and effeciency of a society run by an a ruler who enforced his will by intimidation and torture. By maintaining his iron grip, he prevents anarchy.

So, order or (lack of chaos) is possible without Morality.

No?