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3351, RE: alright, settled.
Posted by LK1, Sat Nov-01-03 06:43 AM
>sorry, I didn't know your background.
>
>Still, there is the problem of what morals are God's morals.
> I mean, to stay with your question, it COULD be the case
>that the person who blows all our asses to smithereens is
>acting in accordance with the morals of God, say God thinks
>our egos have gotten too big and he wants us gone. That's
>just a specific and it doesn't illustrate my point too well.
> Even if I grant you that morality consists of the things
>God loves and immorality of those things he hates we still
>have a problem of distinguishing which actions go where, and
>under which circumstances an immoral action may be
>justified. We have no way of accessing God's intellect or
>of understanding his judgement faculties (or criteria).
>Therefore we have no way, as humans, of correctly
>classifying any act as moral or immoral. The most we can do
>is judge according to our standards and we have no reason to
>believe that they are the same as Gods or that they even
>resemble his in any way. Another problem is, what if God
>changes his mind, which seems perfectly logical with him
>being all powerful...he can do whatever he wants, right? So
>then we have the problem of any set of moral actions
>constantly changing, or the possibility of such change,
>which renders us completely incapable of ever consciouslly
>acting in a moral way. To get out of either of those
>problems we have to make assumptions about God's
>character...and that just seems ignorant of us to even
>attempt. Feel?

Very valid, but you're giving the God of Abraham human characteristics like a Greek would give Zeus, namean? The God of Abraham is perfect Love, and going with this, you are faced with the eternal question: can God make a rock so heavy that He can't lift it? My opinion is yes and no. At the same time, it is either one or the other. The God of Abraham is perfect in love, therefore it is intrinsically impossible, even for Him, to sin.

What I'm getting at is this: there are some actions in this life that are undoubtedly wrong. By your reasoning (which I respect), the only flaw I see is atrocities like the Holocaust. Can it not be a possibility that the Holocaust was wrong, without question, and that whoever supported it was a liar and knew, TRULY, that it was wrong?