>Would it matter to who? Would it matter to me? Maybe, but
>it depends. If we presuppose the existence of a God, and we
>presuppose that this entails that we have an afterlife.
>Then, yes, it probably would matter.

Agreed.

But this brings us
>back to your original point, that morality exists on account
>of God. If, however, you blow us all up and there is no
>afterlife, whence we are all reduced to cosmic dust, I want
>to say that it won't matter.

Agreed.

Not unless somewhere in the
>universe there exists some other intelligent being who can
>judge our actions according to their moral standards, which
>at this point we are considering moral standards to be
>inventions of culture.

I wasn't... I was considering moral standards to be innate on account of all of us being God's children. "Some other intelligent being"... God...

Even then, though, since their
>standards are as subjective as ours were, it wouldn't really
>matter; it wouldn't be either a moral or an immoral action,
>because such a distinction simply doesn't exist.

I'm not referring to another culture's moral standards (alien life forms or my next door neighbor's), because I believe there is one Moral Standard.. God's... You can't honestly believe that the notion of an action such as blowing up the world and murdering everyone would weigh between morality and immorality.... that is, unless you are an atheist.

>It seems that you want to conclude that since we do have
>morals that God does exist, but that isn't a necessity. As
>I said before, there are ways to explain our morality
>through some kind of social evolution and game theory (this
>is Skyrms main view, and he supports it with evidence and
>reason and so forth...It is convincing, but only to the
>point that most sound arguments are. As it is, I don't want
>to draw any conclusions about the objectivie or subjective
>quality of morality).

All i really wanted you to do was answer the question... i'm familiar with theistic voluntarism. What I'm saying is this: if I'm the man with the red button ready to blow up the world, my existence afterwards is either a) meaningless, unconscious void or b) an afterlife. Given there is an afterlife, if I blow up the world with the assumption that the afterlife is a Utopia which we all travel to no matter what, the action is still meaningless. However, if I choose to blow up the world, and there is a heaven or hell waiting for me, suddenly morality MATTERS and EXISTS. Suddenly, there is a reason I'm here. Suddenly, there is God (finite minds are not capable of conceiving God, so there is only rational faith without substance as to what God is). If there is no God, morality simply CANNOT fundamentally exist. Forget evolution, choice cannot exist without consequence. If morality doesn't exist, we have no free will.

>In my previous post I wasn't as clear as I wanted to be on
>some of the problems that arise from making this relation
>between God and morality. I don't think I can be as clear
>as I want to at this point, either. The best I can do is
>point you towards the theory that got me thinking about it
>in the first place: Theistic Voluntarism. You will find it
>in any philosophical dictionary, as well as some interesting
>points made by Descartes and Plato (see Euthyphro).

yeah, I had said I was familiar with this stuff.. I'm a Classics scholar.

>This discussion is already getting way out of control in the
>forum, so if you want to continue the dialogue I'd prefer we
>kick it to inboxes. Peace and One.

I appreciate your effort to answer the one question I had. You were the only one who attempted it. Peace,