>>I believe morals are the innate sense of right and wrong,
>>not the product of society.

>But of course you have no proof of this.

How about the Holocaust? Could it not have been a possibility that this was universally wrong and that those involved in this atrocious act KNEW it was wrong, but lied to themselves in order to commit it, for power's sake?

>>It is my belief that the innate sense of right and wrong is
>>God's Law.
>That's tremendous. We've come this far into the post, for
>that.

Well, you can find this stated repeatedly throughout our discussion... basically, it took this long for you to understand it.

>>Well, of course morality existed before the oral tradition
>>of the torah was written... God's Law has existed since man
>>has existed. It took thouseands of years before oral
>>tradition was written.
>Does morality exist in the animal kingdom too? In the "don't
>wantonly kill, don't steal, don't harm your parents" sense?

No. That's the difference.

>>I never said I had anything other than faith to counter your
>>theory... faith gives morals an ultimate purpose... if I
>>don't have faith, it really doesn't matter, morally, what I
>>choose to do, and any "morality" I choose to pratice
>>thereafter is a result of fear.
>That's just what religious faith is based on, as far as I'm
>concerned. Fear of damnation. I've got no faith(in the
>religious sense), and it's not "fear of being caught" that
>stops me from killing, or raping, or stealing money from my
>parents.

what is it then? that was the whole point of my post. what is it that compels you to love others?

>>lol. If you ever read a piece of Buddhist doctrine, you
>>would see that any notion of "faith" is meaningless to a
>>Buddhist. It is written in Buddhist doctrine that
>>contemplation of the metaphysical is pointless, and that
>>everything can be attained through knowledge.
>>
>>Please, please study some religious doctine before you waste
>>my time with this stuff... I'm a classics scholar with a
>>religious studies emphasis. I really don't think you're
>>going to prove me wrong on religious fundamentals... I'm
>>pretty horrible at math though. Peace,

>Good. I'll take Buddhism over Christianity then, in a
>heartbeat.

If that were possible, I'd wish you the best of luck, but since one is a philosophy, you probably shouldn't attempt this because the two can virtually coexist. Peace,