>>If you can't trust your leaders, how can your movement be
>>trusted?
>
>Leaders are not the people you see in the media bashing
>abortion. They are quiet, humble souls who help others and
>expect nothing in return.
>
>If there is ever a movement to be trusted, it cannot
>contradict the teachings of the Bible... But, for example, I
>would be inclined to trust a missionary who has had medical
>training to go to Honduras...
>
>>when you call it God's Law, you are basing it on religion.
>>Especially when you capitalize the G and the L like that,
>>now you're basing it on one religion.
>
>I believe morals are the innate sense of right and wrong,
>not the product of society.
But of course you have no proof of this.

>If laws evolve for the better,
>they do so to conform to morality, not vise versa.
>
>It is my belief that the innate sense of right and wrong is
>God's Law.
That's tremendous. We've come this far into the post, for that.
>
>>So prove that morals come from God. 'Cause I say there are >examples of relatively moral, civilized societies before the >Bible, and before Christianity. I think all you've got to >counter with is your faith.
>
>Well, of course morality existed before the oral tradition
>of the torah was written... God's Law has existed since man
>has existed. It took thouseands of years before oral
>tradition was written.
Does morality exist in the animal kingdom too? In the "don't wantonly kill, don't steal, don't harm your parents" sense?
>
>I never said I had anything other than faith to counter your
>theory... faith gives morals an ultimate purpose... if I
>don't have faith, it really doesn't matter, morally, what I
>choose to do, and any "morality" I choose to pratice
>thereafter is a result of fear.
That's just what religious faith is based on, as far as I'm concerned. Fear of damnation. I've got no faith(in the religious sense), and it's not "fear of being caught" that stops me from killing, or raping, or stealing money from my parents.
>
>
>>One entry found for religion.
>
>>4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with
>>ardor and faith
>
>>I'd say Buddhism falls under the 4th definition. If you
>>don't think Buddhists have faith, you should take it up with
>>them.
>
>lol. If you ever read a piece of Buddhist doctrine, you
>would see that any notion of "faith" is meaningless to a
>Buddhist. It is written in Buddhist doctrine that
>contemplation of the metaphysical is pointless, and that
>everything can be attained through knowledge.
>
>Please, please study some religious doctine before you waste
>my time with this stuff... I'm a classics scholar with a
>religious studies emphasis. I really don't think you're
>going to prove me wrong on religious fundamentals... I'm
>pretty horrible at math though. Peace,
Good. I'll take Buddhism over Christianity then, in a heartbeat.