32482, Perhaps we can discuss this more later. I really must revise!! Posted by moot_point, Mon May-23-05 07:36 AM
But quickly...
>I disagree. Language is not merely a metaphor for the object >world since the object world of material and matter is OBJECT >REALITY. You can feel and touch it...you do not require an >intellect to breathe oxygen... > >>My subjective reality is everything that exists in my head. >No >>reality exists beyond this.
Then what is reality? The object world exists beyond humans but reality does not. Language is reality. We talk language, speak language, think langauge, dream language.
> >OBJECTIVE REALITY I.E. THE WORLD I AM LIVING IN EXISTS WHETHER >YOU LIKE IT OR NOT...Q: If A Tree in the woods falls over and >nobody hears it did it actually fall? A; Yes > >or put it this THE CHAIR I AM SITTING ON DOES NOT EXIST IN MY >HEAD. THE WORDS CHAIR WORLD DO NOT EXIST ON MY HEAD THEY EXIST >ON THIS COMPUTER SCREEN. AN OBJECT I AM PHYSICALLY INTERACTING >WITH AT THE MOMENT. I AM USING LANGUAGE TO COMMUNICATE >FACTS..THIS IS NOT A METAPHOR. REPEAT THIS IS NOT A METAPHOR
Now imagine a chair in you head. A wooden structure with a back and fours legs. What links this picture in your head to the signifier C H A I R? It's a metaphor!
Remember the object world exists and we can interact with it. However, once we begin to understand this object world, we define a subjective reality (via language, however babies develop a cruder form before grasping language). I think this is an easy concept.
> > >>>>There ARE highly valid subjective notions, > >who validates them?
Science for one.
> >>This is mixed up. Objective reality is a contradiction in >>terms. Tell me something that is 'real' that your mind >didn't >>conceive. You can't. All reality is subjective. Therefore >yes, >>I am living in my head. So too are you. > >I AM LIVING IN AN OBJECTIVE REALITY. IS A BULLET IN THE HEAD >SUBJECTIVE? IS PHYSICAL PAIN SUBJECTIVE?
Physical pain is definitely subjective. Most humans feel pain, it's a human trait that affects everybody differently. Remember too, that nerve endings send pain signals via the spinal cord to the brain.
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