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29825, RE: but you're wrong here..
Posted by stravinskian, Fri Apr-01-05 04:56 PM
>in the following regard...
>>I'm saying that it's clearly wrong to
>>sell children into prostitution, due to the empathy we all
>>seem to share for our fellow human beings. The (clear)
>>existence of that empathy is enough to justify the statement
>>that such behavior is "wrong."
>But we don't ALL feel it. If WE ALL felt it, it would not be
>going on!

Cute, but simplistic. We all feel gravity, but people can still fly in planes.

>The question remains, YOU FEEL IT and I FEEL IT, but on what
>grounds do we impose that belief on one who DOES NOT FEEL it?

Why do we need any?

>If you say "because we outnumber him", your gonna go some
>scary places ad absurdum.

I hope someday you'll stop butchering that phrase.

Oh and by the way, I hope you notice that if someone was really trying to reject objective morality (something I'm obviously not trying to do), then the obvious point you raise about "scary places" would seem to stand in just fine.

>That's a "majority creates
>morality" view, and I don't really think you hold it,

Thrasymachus, nice. Of course, it's not a "majority creates morality" view, it's a "society defines morality" view.

And again, I'm not trying to explain where morality comes from. You're still worked up over an argument we had here months ago.

>If you say "because it's REALLY wrong", we're right back to
>where we started, cause I'm gonna ask you why you discriminate
>and impose your view on the guy who thinks it's REALLY right?

So you say that if I'm morally certain of a given position, I should dismiss that certainty if faced with a person who claims to be certain about an opposing position? Now who's the moral relativist?

>>You then ask me to explain where that empathy comes from. I
>>don't know, and I don't particularly care. The fact is it's
>>here. We don't need to know "why" it's here to know that
>But it's NOT there for some.

That's not altogether clear.

>Why do you discriminate against

Why not?

>Why can't they do as they wish and you do as you wish?

Because our wishes are in direct conflict. If dude "wishes" to rape my daughter, we can't all just get along.