>>Or the same area. Again Turks are closely related according
>>to the chart. Also there is no data on the other surrounding
>>areas that I pointed out. Pakistan, Afghanistan, and so on.

>Turks didn't go into the Levant until the Ottoman period around the >15th century, and even then not as migrants but as conquerers. >Afghans and Pakistanis never did as either. So how is this a >reasonable hypothesis?

>The Iranian plateau, Mesopotamia, and I dunno about the Hittites, >but they were Indo-Europeans. And they all invaded centuries before >Jesus... so if they replaced the original Jews, then Jesus himself >wasn't an original Jew, he was a Persian or a Hittite or >something... so what is the point of all this again?

We are talking about a group of people coming into an area coopting a the religion and beliefs of the indigenous peoples of that land the claiming themselves the originators. How long do you think it would take to do something like this? Centuries, right? Now you have the indigenous people are still there but marginalized out of the power structure. I pointed to Zewari’s post to say there are still Africans in the region today. Here’s a link showing the empires that were in the region leading up to the time of the birth of jesus: http://ancienthistory.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.science.co.il/Maps%2DNear%2DEast%2DEmpires.asp

They stretched from the Levant out east toward Pakistan and Afghanistan area and north into Asia Minor. Persia made it to parts of Greece.

Like you said it is unlikely that they breed the indigenous peoples out of existence. So this leaves a possibility that jesus was born of the indigenous population of the area who were are African. As far as the chart show very little intermixing of genes, which you point to as scientific proof. That can explained where the indigenous peoples allowed others to practice their ways and traditions but not intermarry. Now as time goes by those in power make the rules. Turn a negative into a positive. It is we who do not intermarry with them (meaning the indigenous).

Seriously how long does it take to convince a people they are something they truly are not? How many generations? How long did it take to convince the Rawandans that they are two separate tribes of people?

>>I’m talking Saudis by chart and their physical location on the
>>map. Turks are close why could these people not be migrants
>>from that area, Asia Minor?

>Because there is zero evidence to suggest this.

>>Greeks are close to the
>>Ashkenazim again the illusion of a big separation given by the
>>circle.

Supporting evidence in the maps provided showing the empires that occupied the area in the centuries leading up to the time of jesus’s birth.

>>Greeks are close to the
>>Ashkenazim again the illusion of a big separation given by the
>>circle.

>It's not an "illusion", it's a statistical representation. The >Greeks are closer to the mid-east populations than the northern >Europeans cuz they were in contact with these populations for many >centuries. So it's a sliding scale, but the pattern still fits >general population clusters of European, Mid-Eastern, African, etc.

It is an illusion. The circles tell the mind that there is a seperation. Which will tend to overrule the visual distance. http://www.skytopia.com/project/illusion/illusion.html see the “checker shadow illusion”. The circles in the chart are not to that extreme but creates the illusion all the same.

We both agree that according to the charts the Greeks and Turks are close genetically. Why is not possible that the modern day Arabs did not come from the Asia Minor area? Taking into account that once there, adopted the traditions of the indigenous peoples and for centuries breeding only with those who follow those traditions.

>But the Ashkenazi were in Germany, Austria and Russia... not >Greece. So why aren't they up in between those northern european >groups? Why are they closer to the Greeks?

Not enough German, Austrian, and Russian converts to affect the population. I do find it interesting that during the Nazi era they had to pin stars on them to tell who was jewish and who wasn’t.

>Occam's razor.

Just because the shortest distance between two points is a straight line does not make it the correct route.

>>Besides I have skin like burnt brass and hair like lambs
>>wool. Not these folks.

>But I thought these folks were related to the Lemba? Which is it?

O.K. You have to allow for some intermixing. Now if you were going to take over something what would be the best way? Get in at the top. The Cohaine is the priesthood of Judaism correct?. The Pharisee who are the law interpreters. He makes the laws rule. Isn’t likely that is how they gained control? Interbreed with original priesthood, claim heritage, marginalize the originals out of power position. Only breed with non- indigenous giving more of your people claim to these positions. Appointing non-indigenous to other positions of power and so on and so forth. It’s likely the Lemba’s are of the original Tribes of Israel. Did you see the pictures on the web site? Who do you think more closely resembles the description of skin like burnt brass and hair like lambs wool? The Lembas or todays jews? From that description what group would you say jesus was descended from?

Why do you think todays jews are quick to let “converts” know they are true jews? They know how they got to where they are and are not going to let it happen to them. We’s here now and we’s here to stay.


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