>Where in human history do you have an example of us "pulling
>it off?"

so you think capitalism is "working"?

obviously communism has never existed, only socialsm, and it failed for a myriad of reasons, one of the largest being these were socialist states surrounded by capitalism

>>>You talk about socialism in it's application, and in large
>>>part you are also talking about megadeath: Hitler, Stalin,
>>>Lenin, Mao...
>>
>>Um, Columbus, George Washington, The Crusades. I don't think
>>it is socialism that is the driving force behind mass
>>murder/opression by powerful figures.
>
>That's not what I said. And still the numbers PALE in
>comparison. Any application of societal control is gonna be
>bloody in it's implementation on the state and international
>level. Folk don't wanna do things YOUR way. They want to
>do it THEIR way. In the process, folk die...I'm saying
>tho. Them numbers for communism/socialism aint exactly
>minute.

But people need to realize there is a goal that is more important that "doing things my way", and what I mean is that if people are willing to sacrafice some personal "freedom" (freedom in the sense of freedom to own big cars, jewlery, and home theater systems) it would be to the benifit of humankind

And as far as doing things my way goes, who does things their way under capitalism? The rich. Do the people who work shitty jobs 60 hours a week to try and feed a family have freedom? Are the mcdonalds workers doing things "their way"? Do these people go "y'know, I'd LIKE to work in shitty conditions for little money with an asshole manager"?

People have this idea, largley because of the vilification of communism, that under communism you would not be able to make any decisiions, and would have your time laid out for you day by day. This is simply not true, why do you think communist orginizations fought for the 40 hour work week? It's all ABOUT workers rights. In the sense that yes, peole will always have to work, but the work you are doing should be for the benifit of EVERYONE. Not just those who pay you for your time. The work you do should be something that help people, because if everyone did that, everyone would Be helped.

And when not working, you can do what you like, have a fucking picknik, go to a ball game, but yes, it is a requirement that you put in your work.