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27100, RE: I don't feel they can be created.
Posted by mc_delta_t, Sun Mar-06-05 06:52 PM
>People are always going to look for an advantage.

I don't think this is true, I think it's human nature to survive, not to be greedy, or control.

>Communism, IMO assumes that everybody will assume a role
>and put the state above personal power struggles. Power
>isn't just about money it's about Military strength,
>Intelligence, control of key resources, etc...
>
>When you look at the failure of communism IMO you really see
>the failure of implementation of a "utopia" state. I just
>don't feel humans are capable of pulling it off.

Now see, this is where i really start to have a problem with these arguments. I don't understand why humans WOULDN'T be capable of "pulling this off".

>You talk about socialism in it's application, and in large
>part you are also talking about megadeath: Hitler, Stalin,
>Lenin, Mao...

Um, Columbus, George Washington, The Crusades. I don't think it is socialism that is the driving force behind mass murder/opression by powerful figures.

>You would think that in a period of mass political
>consciousness and increased literacy that you would have a
>working class that wouldn't allow for power struggles like
>this. They woulda nipped it in the bud, right? Well, no.
>Not when lenin is responsible for around 8 million deaths,
>Stalin 20 million, Hitler at 17million, etc...
>
>what you had was a "Coercive Utopia" (c) Brezinski
>
>And what IMO is the inevitable evolution from socialism to
>totalitarianism.