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26632, Holy Shit: Questions RE: Hunter S. Thompson's Death
Posted by Fiver, Fri Mar-04-05 07:18 AM
Toronto Globe and Mail | February 26, 2005:

Paul William Roberts in his Globe and mail article of Saturday, February 26, 2005 wrote the following:

Hunter telephoned me on Feb. 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn't always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really
wanted you to understand, you did.

He'd been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations.

Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: "They're gonna make it look like suicide," he said. "I know how these bastards think ."

Hunter S. Thompson ... was indeed working on such a story.


26633, from the AP story.... silencer used ...
Posted by Fiver, Fri Mar-04-05 07:24 AM
Friday, February 25, 2005 Posted: 11:18 AM EST (1618 GMT)

Hunter S. Thompson

ASPEN, Colorado (AP) -- The widow of journalist Hunter S. Thompson said her husband killed himself while the two were talking on the phone.

"I was on the phone with him, he set the receiver down and he did it. I heard the clicking of the gun," Anita Thompson told the Aspen Daily News in Friday's editions.

She said her husband had asked her to come home from a health club so they could work on his weekly ESPN column -- but instead of saying goodbye, he set the telephone down and shot himself.

Thompson said she heard a loud, muffled noise, but didn't know what had happened. "I was waiting for him to get back on the phone," she said.

(Her account to Rocky Mountain News reporter Jeff Kass is slightly different: "I did not hear any bang," she told Kass. She added that Thompson's son, who was in the house at the time, believed that a book had fallen when he heard the shot, according to Kass' report.).....
26634, he was possibly assassinated like gary webb
Posted by 3X, Fri Mar-04-05 08:58 AM
alex jones interviewed the guy who wrote the article in the toronto newspaper yesterday during his radio program. i smell foul play
26635, I forgot about webb. What about the sista that was
Posted by FireBrand, Fri Mar-04-05 09:03 AM
shot? The one that Bush allegedly raped. She was about to take him to court for several million, and then she wound up dead.

this is the only link I could find right quick:

http://www.opednews.com/thoreau1103bush_rape_suicide.htm



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26636, RE: Holy Shit: Questions RE: Hunter S. Thompson's Death
Posted by sunngodd, Fri Mar-04-05 07:25 AM
i thought he was on the phone with his wife when he shot himself?

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“All the scared niggers are dead” – Stokely Carmichael

"...and once we control at least the economy of our own community, we will actually be in a position to provide employment for the people of the community. And this will eliminate the necessity of us acting ignorantly and disgracefully boycotting and picketing some cracka somewhere else trying to beg him for a job. Anytime you have to rely upon your enemy for a job, you're in bad shape.” - Malcolm X


26637, have you ever seen a building demolished by explosive charges?
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Mar-04-05 07:32 AM
if you have, then you know that's not what brought down the WTC.

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26638, i'm not saying it's right...
Posted by Fiver, Fri Mar-04-05 07:37 AM
...i'm saying maybe something weird did happen because of whatever he found.

the whole use of a silencer freaks me out too.
26639, Ya'll need to read the
Posted by FireBrand, Fri Mar-04-05 07:43 AM
http://waronfreedom.mediamonitors.net/index2.html

It is an indepth look. More than that? It talks about the proceedures that were ignored when it all went down.


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26640, that's a different issue than the mechanism that caused the WTC collapse
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Mar-04-05 08:08 AM
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26641, He covers this tho. But ya'll still need to read it.
Posted by FireBrand, Fri Mar-04-05 08:14 AM
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26642, I've read/watched alot of stuff about it
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Mar-04-05 08:47 AM
Mike Ruppert is the best I've seen at asking pertinent questions and digging up the truth. So I don't dismiss stuff out of hand.

But if someone's trying to argue that the WTC was brought down by controlled demoliton explosives, then I'm not gonna bother with the rest of what they have to say. Because I know that's not true, so why should I believe anything else they have to say about it?

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26643, why not?
Posted by FireBrand, Fri Mar-04-05 09:42 AM
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26644, because they lose credibility
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Mar-04-05 05:08 PM
If I know that they're wrong about other stuff, why should I take anything else they say at face value? Doesn't necessarily mean they're wrong about everything else, just means I'll look for my info elsewhere.

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26645, RE: I've read/watched alot of stuff about it
Posted by AquamansRevenge, Fri Mar-04-05 10:37 AM
how do you know? Were you inside?

26646, see post #3
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Mar-04-05 05:11 PM
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26647, dude, this is Hunter S. Thompson we're talking about
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Mar-04-05 07:48 AM
he was probably on a paranoid acid trip or something.

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26648, He was a druggie. But that alone doesn't discredit him.
Posted by FireBrand, Fri Mar-04-05 07:50 AM
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"institutionalized."

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26649, not beyond a shadow of a doubt, but it does explain alot
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Mar-04-05 08:05 AM
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26650, It Doesn't Explain Anything
Posted by 3X, Fri Mar-04-05 10:17 AM
The wife's story as well as hunter's son mistaking the sound of the gun shot for a book falling suggests foul play. You can't rule that out over some unsubstantiated drug shit.

Did the wife say hunter sounded like he was drugs? Did the write from the toronto newspaper who spoke to hunter the night before say anything to suggest hunter was under the influence of drugs? did hunter's son who was in the house during the shooting say anything suggesting that his father was acting like he was on drugs before the shooting?
26651, Your Drug ASSUMPTION is backed up with what?
Posted by 3X, Fri Mar-04-05 11:01 AM
did hunter's wife say anything to suggest he was on drugs while on the phone? did the reporter from the toronto newspaper say anything to suggest that hunter sounded like he was on drugs the day before the alleged suicide? did hunter's son who was in the house say anything to suggest that his father was on drugs?

you can't rule out the testimony from the son, toronto reporter and wife over some unsubstantiated drug theory.
26652, um, do you even know who Hunter S. Thompson was?
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Mar-04-05 05:24 PM
he liked drugs. alot.

>you can't rule out the testimony from the son, toronto
>reporter and wife over some unsubstantiated drug theory.

you're right, the CIA assassination theory is much less unsubstantiated.

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"If your music was any good it would've
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- Triumph the Insult Comic Dog
26653, who stated anything about the CIA assassinating hunter?
Posted by 3X, Mon Mar-07-05 06:36 AM
the testimony of the wife, son and the toronto reporter suggests the possibility of foul play. i am dealing with a probability not a theory.

you can't provide any info that suggests drug use played a role in hunter's "suicide."
26654, WTC 7 was Brought Down by Explosives
Posted by 3X, Fri Mar-04-05 07:42 AM
no plane hit it and it fell symmetrically straight down
26655, now THIS im convinced of
Posted by suave_bro, Fri Mar-04-05 08:00 AM
the twin towers? no. but building 7? yes.
26656, explosives tend to explode
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Mar-04-05 08:02 AM
there were no explosions going off when it fell.

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26657, CBS Video Showing WTC 7 vertical/symmetrical collapse
Posted by 3X, Fri Mar-04-05 08:14 AM
http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html
26658, and are there any explosions going off?
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Mar-04-05 08:55 AM
No? OK then.

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- Triumph the Insult Comic Dog
26659, dont even waste your time
Posted by mcdeezjawns, Fri Mar-04-05 09:01 AM
he cannot comprehend anything aside from how to post videos and swipes that he has found that prove absolutely nothing...He's not worth the time or effort...And no, the buildings did not come down like explosives laid out.

peace
26660, Invisible Jet Fuel Brought Down WTC 7
Posted by 3X, Fri Mar-04-05 09:06 AM
you can't deny the fact that the collapse of wtc 7 is a mirror image of a controlled demolition
26661, nobody said Jet Fuel Brought Down WTC 7
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Mar-04-05 09:15 AM
and I repeat: have you ever seen a controlled demolition? It doesn't look like that.

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- Triumph the Insult Comic Dog
26662, did WTC 7 collapse vertically and symmetrically?
Posted by 3X, Fri Mar-04-05 09:29 AM
you are in denial if you don't think the vertical/symmetric collapse of wtc 7 doesn't a mirror a control demolition
26663, were you expecting it to tip over like a falling tree?
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Mar-04-05 09:41 AM
>you are in denial if you don't think the vertical/symmetric
>collapse of wtc 7 doesn't a mirror a control demolition

Exactly, you are in denial.

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- Triumph the Insult Comic Dog
26664, EXPLAIN THIS
Posted by 3X, Fri Mar-04-05 11:29 AM
1. do control demolitions bring down buildings vertically and symmetrically onto its own foot print? yes or no

2. did wtc 7 collapse vertically and symmetrically onto its own foot print? yes or no

3. did you notice the pent house located at the top/center of wtc 7 collapse inward before the rest of the bulding in the CBS footage? yes or no

4. since no plane hit WTC 7 can you explain what caused this building to collapse vertically/symmetrically?
26665, RE: EXPLAIN THIS
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Mar-04-05 05:32 PM
1. do explosive charges go off in controlled demolitions? yes or no

2. did you see or hear any explosive charges going off in the wtc 7 collapse? yes or no

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- Triumph the Insult Comic Dog
26666, It's what my Father does for a living
Posted by mcdeezjawns, Fri Mar-04-05 07:42 AM
i've worked with him on several shots around the country, and have a good amount of experience when dealing with controlled demo...and no, the way the towers fell is not even close to consistent with a controlled demolition, though "Marky Mark 3 times the joke" would tell you otherwise.
THe buildings fell because their cores melted. in order to bring a building down like that charges would need to be placed throughout the building, not just those placed in the foundation

peace
26667, QUESTION
Posted by 3X, Fri Mar-04-05 08:49 AM
How did WTC 7 collapse vertically/symmetrically when no plane hit?

It is amazing that jet fuel can burn hot enough to melt tons of steel concrete but it did not prevent some people from above the crash zones to escape the towers. I also forgot to mention that the jet fuel fires failed to melt numerous people seen flagging for help in and around crash zones also.
26668, Question stupid
Posted by mcdeezjawns, Fri Mar-04-05 09:04 AM
Do you have any idea what it takes to bring a building down with explosives? How much engineering goes into the placement of the explosives. Not to mention the fact that weeks and weeks of prep need to go into a building before it is even ready to have explosives placed. And no, you cannot bring a building down simply by placing some explosives at the base. And if you opened your eyes during the videos of the towers falling, you can see the break point, which is no where near the base
try again freak show
26669, First of all, we all know you can't bring the WTC down
Posted by FireBrand, Fri Mar-04-05 09:06 AM
like that. The bombing in what was it - '96 or sumin proved that.

Secondly, no need to get ugly. If ya'll continue on that sort of path I'ma have to delete it, and I'd hate to cus this is a good convo we got going.


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26670, deleting posts huh?
Posted by mcdeezjawns, Fri Mar-04-05 09:30 AM
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26671, RE: It's what my Father does for a living
Posted by AquamansRevenge, Fri Mar-04-05 10:47 AM
Explain that further please.
cause your suggesting the core burned from the top all the way down to the bottom allowing it to collapse... considering the planes suppossedly hit within minutes... and the buildings collapsed within minutes... doesn't this seem somewhat... on schedule? Combine that with the fact that when the Pres. was informed of the first building being hit... he sat quietly and picked up a book... waiting (like he knew well in advance) for the second plane to hit... so again please explain the dynamics of your fathers position
how you worked with him (in what capacity)
and how this building collapsed.
Also, try doing this without namecalling. Peace.
26672, Do you have any understanding of the dynamics of
Posted by FireBrand, Fri Mar-04-05 11:07 AM
explosive devices and how they work in demolition projects? if not, you are asking alot of him to draw it out for you- cus if u wouldn't know how to call him on his bs or when to be satisfied if he gave you good info.

right?




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funny. First you hate 'em, then
you get used to 'em. Enough,
time passes, you get so you
depend on 'em. That's
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26673, RE: It's what my Father does for a living
Posted by mcdeezjawns, Fri Mar-04-05 05:53 PM
>Explain that further please.
>cause your suggesting the core burned from the top all the
>way down to the bottom allowing it to collapse...

I never suggested that the buildings core burned all the way down, so stop with the insinuations first of all..A Plane filled with Jet Fuel crashes into the building..Aside from the initial stress of handling a plane hitting it at 500 miles per hour, the jet fuel that was in the plane had to go somewhere, and there is no way it burned up instantly when the planes hit the buildings..That jet fuel filled elevator shafts, stairwells, crawlspaces, and so on. Gravity pulled that burning jet fuel down the core of the building. Now in order for the building to collapse the way it did, the core did not need to be melted all the way to the bottom supports, because the building was so tall that at some point the weight of the portion above the hit zone was too much for the weakened lower portion to handle, Thats why when you watch the video, when the top first starts to go, it goes at the weakest point(where the plane hit)buckeling, smashing down through the part that was weakened, and even down through the lower part that was not really weakened at all.


>considering the planes suppossedly hit within minutes... and
>the buildings collapsed within minutes... doesn't this seem
>somewhat... on schedule?
Uhh...if you stopped at thought about that for a second you would see that you sound kind of silly. Think about any math equation. As long as the constants are the same, the outcome will be the same no? Same jet fuel, essentially the same crash point on the building, same exact materials within the building(from the steel used to build it to the cubicles inside that fueled the fire), therefor the burn time until critical failure will be nearly exactly the same...Simple math and science

> Combine that with the fact that
>when the Pres. was informed of the first building being
>hit... he sat quietly and picked up a book... waiting (like
>he knew well in advance) for the second plane to hit...
First off, this has nothing to do with the topic at hand, second, you are clearly making ASSumptions about what was going on. Look man, i've never claimed that 9/11 was on the up and up, of course there was a lot of shady shit going downaround it, but the fact of the matter is, those towers couldnt have been taken down with explosives without a lot of people knowing it.
so
>again please explain the dynamics of your fathers position
>how you worked with him (in what capacity)
>and how this building collapsed.
>Also, try doing this without namecalling. Peace.
The dynamics of my fathers position? He is the head supervisor and head blaster for a controlled demo company. He has been in charge of and personally planned the layout patterns for over 50 buildings, including sports stadiums, domed stadiums, industrial plants, power plants, smoke stacks,cement kilns, and dry docks. He personally plans the way the explosives will be laid out, the way the building will fall, where the building will fall. He lays out the explosives with his partner, and myself when i am along working with him. I've got 5 "shots" under my belt, how bout you?
There...hopefully that answers some of your questions...and look at me, no name calling...Funny that you would express that as one of your little ground rules, considering you're the king

26674, did i answer all your questions schmoopie?
Posted by mcdeezjawns, Mon Mar-07-05 05:35 AM
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26675, Man, I'm telling you. The more I read, the more
Posted by FireBrand, Fri Mar-04-05 07:36 AM
uncomfortable I get with how our government operates. Sometimes i just want to leave, but then you think maybe you can fight to make things better.

I think about leaving and staying at least once a month. I love aspects of this country and what it can be, and at the same time I hate certain aspects and I'm afraid of what it may really be and become.

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time passes, you get so you
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26676, Book Recommendation for FIVER
Posted by 3X, Fri Mar-04-05 07:48 AM
PAINFUL QUESTIONS by Eric Hufschmid
26677, WORD!!!!
Posted by G_Smooth, Fri Mar-04-05 07:57 AM

26678, so this is telling you all something new?
Posted by suave_bro, Fri Mar-04-05 07:58 AM
A) the WTC attacks are suspect, there was alot more going on than what has been reported to us

B) our government doesn't like for the masses to know everything that is going on (which i dont necessarily disagree with) however, if the U.S. government was indeed responsible for the 9/11 attacks that killed thousands of people, I would like to know why: (and no, "da white man government be just evil and corrupt" aint gonna cut it)...

C) our government (or shadow governments *cue x-files music*) will waste no time in assasinating those who get in their way.

- none of this is new shit, 99% of you mofoes already THINK/KNOW this so what is so special about this story? im just curious.
26679, RE: so this is telling you all something new?
Posted by AquamansRevenge, Fri Mar-04-05 10:53 AM
it should be obvious...
right after 9/11 when there were suppossedly Saudi hijackers...
he decides to go after Iraq...
oil my friend. Power... control of the world...
what he's doing in the middle east is setting the stage for his family and oil mongers for years and years to come...
this is play #1 out of Hitler's handbook... look at how he bombed his own parliament... blamed the jews... got the public in a furor and they allowed him the power to do whatever he wanted... without question...
those questions you posed are very, very, very easy to answer.
but sometimes they are hard to see when it's right under your nose.
26680, update: about the silencer
Posted by Fiver, Fri Mar-04-05 08:33 AM
...sooo a dude i know who used to work in special military forces told me that, if pressed up against the head correctly, the cranium acts as a silencer for a gun.

pretty gross, interesting..but it's another explanation for no shot being heard.
26681, Frightening...
Posted by SoulHonky, Fri Mar-04-05 09:07 AM
the shit our special forces know.
26682, It's their vocation. It'd be frightening if the didn't know
Posted by FireBrand, Fri Mar-04-05 09:12 AM
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"...I'm telling ya these walls are
funny. First you hate 'em, then
you get used to 'em. Enough,
time passes, you get so you
depend on 'em. That's
"institutionalized."

Red, The Shawshank Redemption.







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26683, RE: update: about the silencer
Posted by SEROTONIN, Fri Mar-04-05 09:47 AM
From what I read he put the gun in his mouth. Is this the same effect of against the skull?
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26684, RE: update: about the silencer
Posted by Fiver, Fri Mar-04-05 11:16 AM
hmmmm, good question. logically, it wouldn't muffle the sound. but i have to hit up the special forces guy again to get a decent answer.
26685, One Problem
Posted by 3X, Fri Mar-04-05 11:39 AM
hunter supposedly committed suicide by shooting himself in the mouth.
26686, update from special forces: if lips were sealed...
Posted by Fiver, Mon Mar-07-05 06:49 AM
around the gun and the way the body reacts to a bullet in the brain, it would have the same "silencer" effect.
26687, Holy shit is right
Posted by ondagoodfoot, Fri Mar-04-05 10:28 AM
thats fucked right up
some pple get madd paro against the gov't
i wouldnt b hard presseed to belive it

dman i hope someone else figure this shit out
26688, Hunter S. Thompson's Suicide Story Changes
Posted by 3X, Fri Mar-04-05 12:19 PM
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/020305thompsonwarned.htm
26689, I'd probably be on drugs too
Posted by LK1, Fri Mar-04-05 03:20 PM
if I knew half of what Thompson knew. This story reeks of the American History Pattern.
26690, ya know? sometimes I read some shit and I
Posted by FireBrand, Fri Mar-04-05 03:44 PM
just gotta fall on my knees and pray.

Du'a is the strongest weopon we got against this madness.

I be paranoid after I read shit sometimes- lookin out the window and shit.

that shit is wild. I don't know how some of these folk deal with that type of knowledge knowing that they are on the front lines. that's a whole 'nother class of bravery.


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"...I'm telling ya these walls are
funny. First you hate 'em, then
you get used to 'em. Enough,
time passes, you get so you
depend on 'em. That's
"institutionalized."

Red, The Shawshank Redemption.







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26691, Hunter on bush and 9-11
Posted by 3X, Fri Mar-04-05 07:58 PM
http://www.indybay.org/uploads/hunter_thompson_aug29_2002.mp3
26692, RE: Hunter on bush and 9-11
Posted by nyc_rootsfan, Mon Mar-07-05 06:20 AM
WTC stuff aside..how do you reconcile the fact that his wife said hed been talking about killing himself lately, he had his son over and was doing his goodbyes with the family , how is an assassin going to pop him in a house with his family in it then escape off the ranch with noone seeing him?

i think this shit is complete nonsense, dude was old , a gun nut, and did what alot of old timers who collect guns did..popped himself.