****i didn't know that...of course it wasn't a real position. But damn, why did the movement have to stop with him****

Declaration of Rights of the Negro Peoples of the World

Universal Negro Improvement Association and African Communities League (UNIA-ACL)(1887-1940)

Drafted and adopted at Convention held in New York, 1920, over which Marcus Garvey presided as Chairman, and at which he was elected Provisional President of Africa.

Preamble

Be it Resolved, That the Negro people of the world, through their chosen representatives in convention assembled in Liberty Hall, in the City of New York and United States of America, from August 1 to August 31, in the year of our Lord, one thousand nine hundred and twenty, protest against the wrongs and injustices they are suffering at the hands of their white brethren, and state what they deem their fair and just rights, as well as the treatment they propose to demand of all men in the future.

We complain:

I. That nowhere in the world, with few exceptions, are black men accorded equal treatment with white men, although in the same situation and circumstances, but, on the contrary, are discriminated against and denied the common rights due to human beings for no other reason than their race and color.

We are not willingly accepted as guests in the public hotels and inns of the world for no other reason than our race and color.

II. In certain parts of the United States of America our race is denied the right of public trial accorded to other races when accused of crime, but are lynched and burned by mobs, and such brutal and inhuman treatment is even practised upon our women.

III. That European nations have parcelled out among themselves and taken possession of nearly all of the continent of Africa, and the natives are compelled to surrender their lands to aliens and are treated in most instances like slaves.

IV. In the southern portion of the United States of America, although citizens under the Federal Constitution, and in some states almost equal to the whites in population and are qualified land owners and taxpayers, we are, nevertheless, denied all voice in the making and administration of the laws and are taxed without representation by the state governments, and at the same time compelled to do military service in defense of the country.

V. On the public conveyances and common carriers in the Southern portion of the United States we are jim-crowed and compelled to accept separate and inferior accommodations and made to pay the same fare charged for first-class accommodations, and our families are often humiliated and insulted by drunken white men who habitually pass through the jim-crow cars going to the smoking car.

VI. The physicians of our race are denied the right to attend their patients while in the public hospitals of the cities and states where they reside in certain parts of the United States.

Our children are forced to attend inferior separate schools for shorter terms than white children, and the public school funds are unequally divided between the white and colored schools.

VII. We are discriminated against and denied an equal chance to earn wages for the support of our families, and in many instances are refused admission into labor unions, and nearly everywhere are paid smaller wages than white men.

VIII. In Civil Service and departmental offices we are everywhere discriminated against and made to feel that to be a black man in Europe, America and the West Indies is equivalent to being an outcast and a leper among the races of men, no matter what the character and attainments of the black man may be.

IX. In the British and other West Indian Islands and colonies, Negroes are secretly and cunningly discriminated against, and denied those fuller rights in government to which white citizens are appointed, nominated and elected.

X. That our people in those parts are forced to work for lower wages than the average standard of white men and are kept in conditions repugnant to good civilized tastes and customs.

XI. That the many acts of injustice against members of our race before the courts of law in the respective islands and colonies are of such nature as to create disgust and disrespect for the white man's sense of justice.

XII. Against all such inhuman, unchristian and uncivilized treatment we here and now emphatically protest, and invoke the condemnation of all mankind.

>****i didn't know that...of course it wasn't a real
>position.

No, he called himself the "Provisonal President of Africa." A common misconception of the Garvey's "Back to Africa," movement is that he was advocating that all black people actually return to Africa; he wasn't. He was really just talking about Pan-Africanism, where black people all over the world become econmically self-sufficent and cooperate with one another. "Back to Africa" meant psycologically, not physically.

But damn, why did the movement have to stop with
>him****

Uncle Tom Negroes like DuBois wouldn't get on board.


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“All the scared niggers are dead” – Stokely Carmichael

"...and once we control at least the economy of our own community, we will actually be in a position to provide employment for the people of the community. And this will eliminate the necessity of us acting ignorantly and disgracefully boycotting and picketing some cracka somewhere else trying to beg him for a job. Anytime you have to rely upon your enemy for a job, you're in bad shape.” - Malcolm X

>>****i didn't know that...of course it wasn't a real
>>position.
>
>No, he called himself the "Provisonal President of Africa."
>A common misconception of the Garvey's "Back to Africa,"
>movement is that he was advocating that all black people
>actually return to Africa; he wasn't. He was really just
>talking about Pan-Africanism, where black people all over
>the world become econmically self-sufficent and cooperate
>with one another. "Back to Africa" meant psycologically,
>not physically.

Um, that's a distortion. Ever heard of the Black Star Liner??? What do you think it was for???

If you think "Africa for the Africans" was solely figurative, then you're simplifying what he was about.

>Um, that's a distortion. Ever heard of the Black Star
>Liner??? What do you think it was for???

Conducting commerce with black countries in the west indies and africa.

>If you think "Africa for the Africans" was solely
>figurative, then you're simplifying what he was about.

I think you're the one simplifying, this is a common misconception about Garvey. He talked about "returning to Africa," but show me where a main part of his program consisted of actually taking black people back to live in africa. Do your research, the Black Star Line was for establishing trade with black countries.

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“All the scared niggers are dead” – Stokely Carmichael

"...and once we control at least the economy of our own community, we will actually be in a position to provide employment for the people of the community. And this will eliminate the necessity of us acting ignorantly and disgracefully boycotting and picketing some cracka somewhere else trying to beg him for a job. Anytime you have to rely upon your enemy for a job, you're in bad shape.” - Malcolm X

>I think you're the one simplifying, this is a common
>misconception about Garvey. He talked about "returning to
>Africa," but show me where a main part of his program
>consisted of actually taking black people back to live in
>africa.

I know you've already seen reply #6, but if you've got a copy of the Philosophy & Opinions, check out some of these pieces:

Vol. I:
The True Solution of the Negro Problem (pp. 52-53)
Belief That Race Problem Will Adjust Itself a Fallacy (57-58)
Africa for the Africans (68-72)

Vol. II:
Speech Delivered at Madison Square Garden (118-123)
Part III (351-412) (deals with interest in Liberia - see especially 380-381)

For my part, I am realizing that the Black Star Line meant a lot more than I previously noticed.

I don't have that book, but i Googled some of the titles.

It seems to me that he wanted a strong Africa as sort of a "home base" for blacks around the world. He was saying that Blacks should build up Africa, including some of us going there to help build it.

But still, many people think that Garvey's solution to the race problem was as simple as "Black people should go back to Africa," which isn't the case at all. That's the misconception i was trying to refute.

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“All the scared niggers are dead” – Stokely Carmichael

"...and once we control at least the economy of our own community, we will actually be in a position to provide employment for the people of the community. And this will eliminate the necessity of us acting ignorantly and disgracefully boycotting and picketing some cracka somewhere else trying to beg him for a job. Anytime you have to rely upon your enemy for a job, you're in bad shape.” - Malcolm X

>I don't have that book, but i Googled some of the titles.
>
>It seems to me that he wanted a strong Africa as sort of a
>"home base" for blacks around the world. He was saying that
>Blacks should build up Africa, including some of us going
>there to help build it.
>
>But still, many people think that Garvey's solution to the
>race problem was as simple as "Black people should go back
>to Africa," which isn't the case at all. That's the
>misconception i was trying to refute.

Understood. And if you look back at my initial response, with the use of the words "solely figurative", you can see I was just trying to make sure people didn't go from thinking he found it mandatory that every single black person in the world go back to thinking that going to Africa was not at all part of his plan.

Glad we've collectively given a nuanced view.

>>But damn, why did the movement have to stop with
>>him****

>Uncle Tom Negroes like DuBois wouldn't get on board

And he publicly assasinated Garvey's character every
chance he got.

Sad

>And he publicly assasinated Garvey's character every
>chance he got.
>
>Sad

I saw a quote where Dubois called him "fat, black and ugly," or something to that effect.

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“All the scared niggers are dead” – Stokely Carmichael

"...and once we control at least the economy of our own community, we will actually be in a position to provide employment for the people of the community. And this will eliminate the necessity of us acting ignorantly and disgracefully boycotting and picketing some cracka somewhere else trying to beg him for a job. Anytime you have to rely upon your enemy for a job, you're in bad shape.” - Malcolm X

kinda sad that someone that "educated" and "for the
advancement of negros" would be on some shit like this...

Kinda makes me wonder...

some classic garvey on dubois: "lazy dependent mulatto," "a monstrosity" of mixed blood "who bewails every day the drop of Negro blood in his veins."

but that was on a different level...

DuBois got gutter with his, on some "dozens" type shit.

Thats what I was getting at.

Hell, I kind of agree with Garvey. It was like he was attacking with something that related to what he saw as the problem.

i.e.-Dubois, and people of his ilk (intergrationists) depending on and wanting to be accepted by White america.

>i.e.-Dubois, and people of his ilk (intergrationists)
>depending on and wanting to be accepted by White america.

I think that's unfair to DuBois. I agree that DuBois felt threatened by Garvey and he was nasty to him in a way he was never nasty to Booker T., but notice in that debate it was Booker T. who was more pleasing to the white folks.

Are we to forget that DuBois was a passionate Pan-Africanist his entire life long?

>Are we to forget that DuBois was a passionate Pan-Africanist
>his entire life long?

I thought he only became a Pan Africanist much later, after he went through his thing with communism.
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“All the scared niggers are dead” – Stokely Carmichael

"...and once we control at least the economy of our own community, we will actually be in a position to provide employment for the people of the community. And this will eliminate the necessity of us acting ignorantly and disgracefully boycotting and picketing some cracka somewhere else trying to beg him for a job. Anytime you have to rely upon your enemy for a job, you're in bad shape.” - Malcolm X

Was an important delegate at the first Pan African Congress in 1900, organized the 1919 Pan African Congress...

http://diaspora.northwestern.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/DiasporaX.woa/wa/displayArticle?atomid=608

hmm, interesting. This being the case, I wonder why he and Garvey couldn't get together.

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“All the scared niggers are dead” – Stokely Carmichael

"...and once we control at least the economy of our own community, we will actually be in a position to provide employment for the people of the community. And this will eliminate the necessity of us acting ignorantly and disgracefully boycotting and picketing some cracka somewhere else trying to beg him for a job. Anytime you have to rely upon your enemy for a job, you're in bad shape.” - Malcolm X

Dubois thought Garvey was TOO radical and seperatist...

Garvey thought Dubois was TOO uncle tom, wanting to
intergrate and gain the approval of whites to advance the
race. Instead of begging for a place at the dinner table,
he felt blacks should get a table of their own...

They were at opposite ends of the same spectrum in their
ideals on the advancement of negros

by whites. And Dubois WAS on this tip.

And from my understanding he wasnt REALLY down with the Pan-Af thing until later, I could be wrong. He may have talked of the IMPORTANCE of Africa early on, and even attended the conference. But it wasnt the same.

was a mentor of Du Bois'. Now Crummell is problematic in a lot of ways, some of which may have been passed on to Du Bois (tho I would never say he's the main source of Du Bois' faults). Nevertheless, we can't take away Crummell's importance as a father (some have called him THE father) of Pan-Africanism.

>And from my understanding he wasnt REALLY down with the
>Pan-Af thing until later, I could be wrong. He may have
>talked of the IMPORTANCE of Africa early on, and even
>attended the conference. But it wasnt the same.

I'd be interested to know what led you to feeling this way, cuz I certainly see no evidence.

now u gonna make me go dig up some shit...

When I find it I'll inbox ya

There were literally people trying to do him in, DuBois just made comments.

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should my wisest speech not
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Well, for me exile means
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I didn't, and don't
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Thank you.

I never quite understood that one and i think thats why historians generally ignore the title.

>Um, that's a distortion. Ever heard of the Black Star Liner??? >What do you think it was for???

oddly, you're both right. at one point Garvey proposed that every community where the Negro lives should be developed by him in his own section, in order to control that section. as well as segregating himself residentially in that community.

but this idea was heavily opposed by 'white racists' and he turned to the idea of building a powerful Black state in Africa. because the United States belonged to white men its Negroes should surrender their heritage and get out. and the Klu Klux Klan heavily endorsed the idea (duh!).

never struck me as much of a realist, but nevertheless a great figure in black history.

"heaven lasts, earth endures!"

>I never quite understood that one and i think thats why
>historians generally ignore the title.

he appointed himself, LOL
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“All the scared niggers are dead” – Stokely Carmichael

"...and once we control at least the economy of our own community, we will actually be in a position to provide employment for the people of the community. And this will eliminate the necessity of us acting ignorantly and disgracefully boycotting and picketing some cracka somewhere else trying to beg him for a job. Anytime you have to rely upon your enemy for a job, you're in bad shape.” - Malcolm X

fat, black and ugly man came along and declared himself president of Africa?

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“All the scared niggers are dead” – Stokely Carmichael

"...and once we control at least the economy of our own community, we will actually be in a position to provide employment for the people of the community. And this will eliminate the necessity of us acting ignorantly and disgracefully boycotting and picketing some cracka somewhere else trying to beg him for a job. Anytime you have to rely upon your enemy for a job, you're in bad shape.” - Malcolm X

"Heaven lasts, earth endures"

funny

which is the dumbest ass name for the leader of any organisition! any contendors?

"Heaven lasts, earth endures!"

Elijah Muhammad and Malcolm X did too

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“All the scared niggers are dead” – Stokely Carmichael

"...and once we control at least the economy of our own community, we will actually be in a position to provide employment for the people of the community. And this will eliminate the necessity of us acting ignorantly and disgracefully boycotting and picketing some cracka somewhere else trying to beg him for a job. Anytime you have to rely upon your enemy for a job, you're in bad shape.” - Malcolm X

Malcolm spoke of being in a situation where he believed members of the NOI was meeting with Klansmen, when he inferred about this, he was prohibited from going south for that reason.

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"me as a black man will not
stand here and allow you to
talk dumb shit about white
women that simply is not true"
SouthPhillyMan

"If I see things unseen by
those who have eyes, why
should my wisest speech not
be silence?"
-Ayi Kwei Armah

Well, for me exile means
separation from people I love.
I didn't, and don't
miss the U.S., per se. But
black culture, black life in
the U.S., that African
American flavor, I
definitely miss. The
language, the movements, the
style, I get nostalgic about
that.
-Assata Shakur

there's a chapter in Durham and NYC and Philly,
among other places.

http://www.unia-acl.org