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26396, So North Korea is "safe" now..... Posted by Allah, Thu Feb-10-05 06:58 AM
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Seoul — North Korea on Thursday announced publicly for the first time that it has nuclear weapons and rejected moves to restart disarmament talks any time soon, saying it needs the weapons as protection against an increasingly hostile United States.
The communist state's pronouncement dramatically raised the stakes in the two-year-old nuclear confrontation and posed a grave challenge to U.S. President George W. Bush, who started his second term with a vow to end North Korea's nuclear program through six-nation talks.
“We ... have manufactured nukes for self-defense to cope with the Bush administration's ever more undisguised policy to isolate and stifle the ,” the North Korean Foreign Ministry said in a statement carried by the state-run Korean Central News Agency.
The claim could not be independently verified. North Korea expelled the last UN nuclear monitors in late 2002 and has never tested a nuclear bomb, although international officials have long suspected it has one or two nuclear bombs and enough fuel for several more.
U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Washington would consult allies before responding.
“I think we just have to first look at the statement and then we need to talk with our allies,” she told Dutch RTL television while on a trip through Europe.
“The North Koreans have no reason to believe that anyone wants to attack them,” she added. “They have been told they can have multilateral security assurances if they will make the important decision to give up their nuclear weapons program. So there is really no reason for this, but we will examine where we go next.”
Previously, North Korea had reportedly told U.S. negotiators in private talks that it had nuclear weapons and might test one of them. The North's UN envoy said last year that the country had “weaponized” plutonium from its pool of 8,000 nuclear spent fuel rods. Those rods contained enough plutonium for several bombs.
But Thursday's statement was North Korea's first public acknowledgment that it has nuclear weapons.
North Korea's “nuclear weapons will remain nuclear deterrent for self-defence under any circumstances,” the ministry said. It said that what it considers Washington's attempts to topple the North's regime “compels us to take a measure to bolster its nuclear weapons arsenal in order to protect the ideology, system, freedom and democracy chosen by its people.”
Since 2003, the United States, the two Koreas, China, Japan and Russia have held three rounds of talks in Beijing aimed at persuading the North to abandon nuclear weapons development in return for economic and diplomatic rewards. No significant progress has been made.
A fourth round scheduled for last September was cancelled when North Korea refused to attend, citing what it called a “hostile” U.S. policy.
In recent weeks, hopes had risen that North Korea might return to the six-nation talks, especially after Mr. Bush refrained from any direct criticism of North Korea when he started his second term last month.
On Thursday, North Korea said it decided not to rejoin such talks any time soon after studying Mr. Bush's inaugural and State of the Union speeches and after Ms. Rice labelled North Korea one of the “outposts of tyranny.”
The nuclear crisis erupted in October 2002 when U.S. officials accused North Korea of running a secret uranium-enrichment program in violation of international treaties. Washington and its allies cut off free fuel oil shipments for the impoverished country under a 1994 deal with the United States.
North Korea retaliated by quitting the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in early 2003 and restarting its plutonium-based nuclear weapons program, which had been frozen under the 1994 agreement.
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26397, Good for North Korea Posted by 3X, Thu Feb-10-05 07:17 AM
if the united snakes, russia, china, great britian, israel and others can have nukes with nobody bitching then i see absolutely nothing wrong with north korea having nukes. if everyone were truly concerned about world peace then every nation would destroy their nukes.
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26398, yay, North Korea can keep starving its own people to death! Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Thu Feb-10-05 03:26 PM
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26399, we have people starving here Posted by 3X, Thu Feb-10-05 03:51 PM
so what's your point?
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26400, we have hundreds of thousands of people starving to death here? Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Thu Feb-10-05 04:38 PM
and by starving to death, I mean literally - as in, they actually died.
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26401, a divided korea is a result of european imperialism Posted by Taharka, Fri Feb-11-05 03:32 AM
it is not North Korea's fault the soviet union collapsed. Trust me if Amerikkka had collasped then South Korea would be starving.
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26402, youve got to be kidding me Posted by foxnesn, Fri Feb-11-05 10:20 AM
please explain the history behind your statement.
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26403, well he's partially right Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Feb-11-05 03:09 PM
>please explain the history behind your statement.
38th parallel. But Japan is as much if not moreso to blame, and the other stuff he's talking about is just ridiculous.
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26404, he's more than partially right Posted by GoingPlaces, Sat Feb-12-05 02:31 PM
>>please explain the history behind your statement. > >38th parallel. But Japan is as much if not moreso to blame, >and the other stuff he's talking about is just ridiculous.
the 38th parallel just scratches at the surface of america's role in dividing korea. first of all, with japan's collapse, the koreans ON THEIR OWN established their own provisional government (KPR) which had the support of people's committees throughout the peninsula. as soon as the americans came in, they repudiated the KPR and imposed the USAMGIK on the koreans, even having the audacity to give members of the LDP(whom the rest of korea saw as collaborators to the japanese colonial regime) key positions in government. while the u.s. was imposing government on the south, the soviets, while having influence, never imposed a military government of their liking on the north. then, of course, the americans used all types of manipulation to disencourage efforts at unity, even holding elections without north koreans' approval. IF the u.s. recognized the legitimacy of the KPR, koreans would have a government that was left of center, but not communist. and, it was because of the americans' systematic intervention, that north koreans reacted in increasingly radical ways ending up into what it is now.
the koreans were able to recover from japanese colonialism which was more focused on cultural imperialism. the problem of a divided korea is the result of american imperialism.
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26405, you forgot about Japanese imperialism Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Feb-11-05 03:03 PM
>it is not North Korea's fault the soviet union collapsed.
No, but it is their fault that they starved hundreds of thousands of their own people to death.
>Trust me if Amerikkka had collasped then South Korea would >be starving.
Yeah, because if America had collapsed then North Korea would have invaded South Korea and they would all starve to death together.
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26406, lol Posted by Paco Underhill, Fri Feb-11-05 04:41 PM
i'm dead wrong for laughing at this, but you're on point.
>Yeah, because if America had collapsed then North Korea >would have invaded South Korea and they would all starve to >death together.
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26407, you say that like starvation is their national policy Posted by spirit, Mon Feb-14-05 05:35 AM
there are plenty of countries with starving people in them (including our own), is military invasion and violent overthrow the proper way to address each case of this? the people "celebrating" this are people who are glad to see that DPRK's nukes are keeping "military options" (a.k.a killing a lot of Koreans) off the table (and, by the way, running your country in a way in which starvation occurs is no justification for bombing said country and killing even MORE of its citizenry, since we have not yet invented bombs that incinerate debris and otherwise avoid injury to civilians or critical infrastructure, to the contrary, we go in blowing up roads, power plants, houses, etc). ____
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26408, you say that like it's not Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Mon Feb-14-05 12:20 PM
>there are plenty of countries with starving people in them >(including our own),
See post #7.
>is military invasion and violent >overthrow the proper way to address each case of this?
Did I say it was?
>the >people "celebrating" this are people who are glad to see >that DPRK's nukes are keeping "military options" (a.k.a >killing a lot of Koreans) off the table
Military options were never on the table. North Korea has a standing army of over a million soldiers, and they could flatten Seoul with conventional weapons. Nukes or no nukes, we're not invading N.Korea anytime soon. But N.Korea with nukes does make the region more dangerous, which is why the people celebrating this are retarded.
>(and, by the way, >running your country in a way in which starvation occurs is >no justification for bombing said country and killing even >MORE of its citizenry, since we have not yet invented bombs >that incinerate debris and otherwise avoid injury to >civilians or critical infrastructure, to the contrary, we go >in blowing up roads, power plants, houses, etc).
Again, I didn't say that it was.
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26409, haha Posted by mcdeezjawns, Thu Feb-10-05 03:34 PM
wow, your lack of awareness of how the world really works cracks me up on the daily..Thanks for that
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26410, typical hypocrite Posted by 3X, Thu Feb-10-05 03:53 PM
don't tell me that the korean can't have nukes when your white daddy has them. i guess the white man makes the rules and everyone is suppose to follow his rules or suffer.
give me one reason why it is good for the united snakes to have nukes and bad for north korea to have them?
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26411, so what about South Korea and Japan? Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Thu Feb-10-05 04:42 PM
you want them to have nukes too?
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26412, i'm going to ask a simple question again Posted by 3X, Fri Feb-11-05 05:55 AM
why is it good for amerikka to have nukes but bad for north korea to have nukes?
the world would be more peaceful if all countries got rid of their nukes. but we know the white man who is the only one to actually use nukes will not get rid of its nukes.
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26413, it's a stupid question Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Feb-11-05 03:30 PM
Nobody is saying that it's "good" for America to have nukes, so your point is moot. You, however, are saying that it's good for N.Korea to have nukes. So that being the case, would it be good for South Korea and Japan to have nukes too?
>the world would be more peaceful if all countries got rid of >their nukes.
And East Asia would be safer if North Korea got rid of its nukes.
>but we know the white man who is the only one >to actually use nukes will not get rid of its nukes.
Neither will anyone else. And the most racist white people in the world gave up their nukes, so that's not really the issue.
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26414, this some racist repugnant shit Posted by Abbstrack, Sun Feb-13-05 04:02 AM
because you are maintaining that it aint good for north and south korea and japan to have nukes because they aint smart enough to somehow find a way to not use them on each other...
lest you be reminded that the only people to ever actually use nukes are the racist ass americans, who btw are still the most racist people in the world, whether you like to admit it or not
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26415, no dumbass Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Sun Feb-13-05 01:41 PM
I am maintaining that N. Korea having nukes makes the region more dangerous, which it does. Race has nothing to do with it, so GTFOOHWTBS.
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26416, dude Posted by Abbstrack, Sun Feb-13-05 02:23 PM
under that premise, the whole world is dangerous b/c the us has nukes.
and save the dumbass comments, i called your statement repugnant, not you.
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26417, co-sign Posted by 3X, Sun Feb-13-05 05:31 PM
hypocritical racist white folks can't even acknowledge their own hypocrisy.
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26418, here's a hint: Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Mon Feb-14-05 05:11 PM
white folks aren't the only ones who think you're an idiot.
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26419, RE: dude Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Mon Feb-14-05 12:23 PM
>under that premise, the whole world is dangerous b/c the us >has nukes.
Read the first sentence of post #31 again.
>and save the dumbass comments, i called your statement >repugnant, not you.
You're a dumbass for calling what I said a racist repugnant statement.
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26420, RE: dude Posted by Abbstrack, Mon Feb-14-05 02:30 PM
>Read the first sentence of post #31 again. >
no need. you're to dumb and uncivilized to even try to continue discourse. plus you enter into this converstation at a 4th grade level.
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26421, RE: dude Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Mon Feb-14-05 05:05 PM
No, saying "good for North Korea" and "well America has nukes too so there's nothing wrong with N.Korea having them" is arguing at a 4th grade level. Barely.
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26422, RE: so what about South Korea and Japan? Posted by beIMAO, Sun Feb-13-05 12:57 PM
YES! I say let everyone have them or no one. Either way I'd be happy. if everyone had them then no one would be so quick to start invading other nations and if no one had them well that's one less way we have to nullify ourselves. You think the U.S. would have really went into Iraq if they had nukes. they would still be sitting back talking just like they're doing with N.Korea now. I say "Nukes for all!" It'll make the world a better place. One way or the other...
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26423, why don't you go hand out guns on the corner while you're at it Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Mon Feb-14-05 05:15 PM
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26424, Only Brown people can't have nukes... Posted by SoulHonky, Thu Feb-10-05 04:02 PM
Didn't you know that? Iran is up next. We've already got Condi setting up the invasion.
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26425, China, India, Pakistan n/m Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Thu Feb-10-05 04:44 PM
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26426, RE: China, India, Pakistan n/m Posted by SoulHonky, Thu Feb-10-05 06:22 PM
We'll be after Pakistan soon enough, and India's just a little too big; we'll can't deal with them... for now.
We can't fuck with China. We have to try to keep them in line while not pissing them off.
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26427, RE: China, India, Pakistan n/m Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Feb-11-05 03:43 PM
>We'll be after Pakistan soon enough,
No we won't, at least as long as their government remains stable.
>and India's just a >little too big; we'll can't deal with them... for now.
India's more than just "a little" too big, and they're only getting bigger, so we ain't doing jack to them now or anytime in the future.
>We can't fuck with China. We have to try to keep them in >line while not pissing them off.
So basically, non-white people can have nukes. Thanks for clarifying that.
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26428, who determines what a 'stable' government is? Posted by spirit, Mon Feb-14-05 05:41 AM
would you have agreed with the U.S. being invaded after the 2000 election debacle in Florida? that wasn't a very "stable" example of democratic government. i hope you're not supporting the idea that the U.S. should have the authority to determine which governments are "stable" or "unstable" and bomb said governments out of existence at will, whether they pose an imminent threat to the U.S. or not.
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26429, you're seriously comparing the stability of the US to Pakistan? Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Mon Feb-14-05 12:30 PM
you people are fucking retarded.
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26430, so...who do we REALLY thank here...the French? Posted by blaXXX, Thu Feb-10-05 11:28 PM
oh thats right-----were supposed to be mad at them for not endorsing our IRAQuagmire...right Republican neo-CUNTservatives?
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26431, fuck the French Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Feb-11-05 03:51 PM
those assholes bombed a greenpeace ship in New Zealand, killing a NZ citizen, for protesting their nuclear testing in the pacific.
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26432, Funny how the only nation to use Nuclear weapons Posted by Taharka, Fri Feb-11-05 03:52 AM
has the right to dictate who can and cannot have them. The hypocrisy of this nation never ceases to amaze me. This is the sick eurocentric mind at its best.
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26433, You my friend have an excellent point Posted by LegacyNS, Fri Feb-11-05 06:44 AM
The US is the only nation to use nukes on a major scale.
Unforunately, when countries have a monopoly on that type of technology, they'll use it because they don't fear comprobable retaliation. I'm exactly ecstatic that enemies of the US are acquiring "WMD's" but I certainly understand their reasoning.
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26434, lmao, u liberals cease to amaze me Posted by foxnesn, Fri Feb-11-05 10:18 AM
>The US is the only nation to use nukes on a major scale. > >Unforunately, when countries have a monopoly on that type of >technology, they'll use it because they don't fear >comprobable retaliation. I'm exactly ecstatic that enemies >of the US are acquiring "WMD's" but I certainly understand >their reasoning.
so you are ecstatic that your chances of frying from a dirty nuclear bomb have increased immensly? ill get back to you on that when you skin is charred and your anus is molded shut from radiation...
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26435, Dude,.. Posted by LegacyNS, Fri Feb-11-05 11:05 AM
That was a typo.. Re-read the statement.. It should have read "not exactly"..
Oh yeah... don't put that liberal tag on my buddy... I'm a bit beyond that type of binary logic..
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"Before I battle strangers, I make em sign disclaimers That states they're aware of the danger.... " - Canibus
"I honestly can’t see myself voting for someone that I could beat in a spelling bee. I guess if he can’t spell something, he’ll blow it up. How do you spell Baghdad? BOOM! That’s how you spell it!" – D.L. Hughley
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26436, well tie me up and call me sally Posted by foxnesn, Fri Feb-11-05 11:42 AM
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26437, you sound so fuckin pathetic with your hypocrisy Posted by 3X, Fri Feb-11-05 12:07 PM
n/m
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26438, and you sound so fucking pathetic because you are Posted by foxnesn, Fri Feb-11-05 12:18 PM
explain to me why im a hypocrit?
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26439, simple Posted by 3X, Fri Feb-11-05 06:21 PM
you are bitching about north korea having nukes but remain silent on amerikkka having nukes.
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26440, RE: simple Posted by foxnesn, Sun Feb-13-05 05:17 PM
>you are bitching about north korea having nukes but remain >silent on amerikkka having nukes.
the north kkkorean govt is a dictatorship that starves its own people to keep them complacent. they have ties with known terrorist groups and as a country are bankrupt and know that if they develop nukes they can sell them.
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26441, why the three k's? Posted by spirit, Mon Feb-14-05 05:44 AM
north korea had nothing to do with the white supremacy of the kkk. you must've meant to type amerikkka. lol. ____
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26442, it was a joke Posted by foxnesn, Mon Feb-14-05 12:27 PM
just like spelling it amerikkka is a complete joke.
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26443, lol Posted by solomon13, Fri Feb-11-05 02:19 PM
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26444, I'm not saying it's right, Posted by solomon13, Fri Feb-11-05 09:38 AM
but N. Korea is a cash strapped nation. We're worried that they are acuiring nukes so that they can sell/barter them for good & services that they cannot now get. These organizations may not be "nations" therefore if they hit us, we cannot hit them back. Thus destroying the whole MAD theory.
I can understand why Uncle Sam is worried. However all this would be a mute point if we conducted ourselves a little better on the world stage, but you can't cry over spilt milk.
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26445, a little common sense please Posted by foxnesn, Fri Feb-11-05 10:31 AM
foks, if you live in the U.S. you are probably well aware that other nations do not like us. knowing this, as a citizen of the U.S. it should scare you that a ruthless dictatorship in North Korea claims to have harnassed the power of the atom. see, hundreds of thousands of people are dieing in that lovely country because it is ruled with an iron fist. it is absolutely bankrupt and the only way it can make money is by selling its nuclear weapons to groups/countries. thus, the proliferation of nuclear weapons has the wonderful possibility of vastly increasing across the globe. weapons that cannot be traced which will most likely one day blow up, spewing your families arms and legs miles away and leaving your skin hard as a rock. that if you are lucky enough to be within the blast radius. the U.S. isnt worried about the democractic countries holding weapons of mass destruction because power changes hands in those countries every few years. however, in a dictatorship, one group could hold power without the consequence of being voted out peacefully.
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26446, We've also been in a state of war w/them for over 50 years Posted by tha8thjewel, Fri Feb-11-05 12:24 PM
<-- Slicka than ya average.
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26447, Didn't I just say that? Posted by solomon13, Fri Feb-11-05 02:21 PM
wtf?
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26448, yea i guess you did Posted by foxnesn, Tue Feb-15-05 12:21 AM
and one more point i think you will agree with..if people are so against the proliferation of nuclear weapons then why is it ok for north korea to have them just because the US has them?
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26449, RE: a little common sense please Posted by ovBismarck, Sat Feb-12-05 10:05 AM
>hundreds of thousands of people are >dieing
It's funny how you pick and choose which poor, dying people you care about. What we need here is to implement a capitalistic system, once that occurs--and we have the requisite number of poor and dying within this system--then I can go back to not givin' a fuck. Hey, life's hard right?
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26450, Let me take a step back real quick... Posted by jerzCenator, Wed Feb-16-05 07:25 AM
>foks, if you live in the U.S. you are probably well aware >that other nations do not like us.
But you have to look at the reason why they don't like the U.S. government. To many peoples from countries around the world, the U.S. government are the real terrorists. I wouldn't say they dislike the majority of everyday Americans, just the government. It's not MY government, as those in control do not have any policies or programs designed to benefit me and MY people. And if you don't know why N. Koreans and most of the "developing" world doesn't like the U.S. government, then someone needs to school you.
>knowing this, as a citizen of the U.S. it should scare you >that a ruthless dictatorship in North Korea claims to have >harnassed the power of the atom.
First, you gotta define a dictatorship (and also a democracy) man. To me, the U.S. is a form of dictatorship (or oligarchy if you wanna be all politically specific). Any country where the people, US, have had to fight for basic human rights against the government we are SUPPOSED to control, is NOT a democracy. If you don't agree with this statement do some real historical research, not ya highschool or college textbook, and you'll realize that the people of this country have had to fight for every single right we enjoy today. Most of the government's allies that are so-called "democracies" have some of the most corrupt governments and officials and the planet, but they turn a blind eye to it for resources, labor, and other forms of exploitative support.
>see, hundreds of thousands of people are >dieing in that lovely country because it is ruled with an >iron fist. it is absolutely bankrupt and the only way it can >make money is by selling its nuclear weapons to >groups/countries.
You have to realize the role that the U.S. government and other Western imperialist powers have played in this. I'm not gonna go into this because the other replies have shown the truth. If you think people are making this stuff up, then do your own research (the comments of of a deceitful media, lying pundits and other propagandists are not applicable).
>thus, the proliferation of nuclear weapons >has the wonderful possibility of vastly increasing across >the globe. weapons that cannot be traced which will most >likely one day blow up, spewing your families arms and legs >miles away and leaving your skin hard as a rock. that if you >are lucky enough to be within the blast radius. the U.S. >isnt worried about the democractic countries holding weapons >of mass destruction because power changes hands in those >countries every few years. however, in a dictatorship, one >group could hold power without the consequence of being >voted out peacefully.
Does anyone truly believe that any country (except possibly the U.S.) will use its nukes? People have already explained the results, the basic destruction of the entire world. In the case of Korea and other countries that have developed nuclear technology, it's just to get some leverage against forces like the U.S. government. They're just trying to remove America's foot off their neck.
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26451, Those silly North Koreans Posted by OldPro, Fri Feb-11-05 10:50 AM
“The North Koreans have no reason to believe that anyone wants to attack them,” she added.
Why would Bush making them part of his "axis of evil" and invading one of the countries on that list, worry them at all?
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26452, didn't he have a list that had cuba in it as well? Posted by tohunga, Fri Feb-11-05 02:35 PM
yeah there ya go
BBC News | AMERICAS | US expands 'axis of evil' The US adds three new countries - Cuba, Libya and Syria - to its "axis of evil", claiming they aim to develop weapons of mass destruction.
..i wouldn't be too worried about that.
+like someone else said, it's been hostile between you guys for half a century. no change there...
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26453, it's funny how western news outlets refuse to call it DPRK Posted by spirit, Mon Feb-14-05 05:32 AM
they called the USSR the USSR, but they refuse to use the appellation "democratic people's republic of korea" or DPRK. where the acronym or name appears in quoted DPRK sources, they change the name to north korea or something else in brackets. very humorous. ____
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26454, RE: How do we know Posted by Rexdale, Tue Feb-15-05 03:03 PM
How do we really know that N.korea will actually use their nukes? I really think the only country willing to use them, in one way or another is America. The only reason the US cares that N. Korea has them is that it's willing to share it's tech. with other nations, i.e. Iran, which I think wouldn't be such a bad thing. Best believe the US wouldn't be invading nations if they had the bomb.
Nukes are horrible, but it's NOT fair that only a select few nations, mainly white nations have them, and the developing world isn't allowed to have them. Let's be real, no nation is STUPID enough, no matter how nuts, to use nukes, because that would only set off a domino effect that would probably lead to the death of everyone.
All of ya'll should worry about the US and it's research into less destructive nukes, because that's more dangerous to me than the conventional, doomsday bomb.
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26455, so... Posted by foxnesn, Tue Feb-15-05 03:48 PM
you are for the proliferation of nuclear weapons then?
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26456, RE: well.. Posted by Rexdale, Tue Feb-15-05 05:17 PM
I'm against Western powers determining who can or cannot possess nuclear weapons. I mean, why should they dictate soverign nations?
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26457, No, most sane people are against the use of nuclear weapons Posted by LegacyNS, Wed Feb-16-05 06:40 AM
However, it's not just about the use of nuclear weapons but trying to prevent war in general.
Unfortunately, a balance of power while probably not desrious looks like a way to reduce the chances of perpetual wars happening all over the globe.
We still have non-nuclear wars when one country has nukes & another doesn't ( Iraq ). We completely avoided such a conflict with N. Korea.
Hey, if someone is stupid enough to launch a nuke, god help us all.
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