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26102, RE: you're rejecting the criminality of zionism
Posted by insanejake, Thu Dec-09-04 09:19 AM
>you still like to believe that zionists just bought land and
>moved into Palestinian land.

A lot of them did. Some of them didnt.

you try to marginalize and
>legitimize israeli state terrorism by comparing it to
>palestinian terrorism, when palestinian terrorism is
>severely DWARFED by israeli terrorism.

Our atrocities are morally right because we are smaller than you. Moral relativisim anyone?

then you go on to
>question the credibility of the article because of the
>israeli soldiers' confessions
>and you asking me what you've rejected?

Im rejecting your rhetoric. You are rejecting Zionism. So we are both rejectionists...

>no, its exactly accurate. the nazis considered German state
>terroism against the partisian resistance throughout europe
>as being counter-terrorist actions against partisian
>terrorism. the German military's so-called
>"counter-terrorism" strategy was studied by the militaries
>of the U.S., apartheid S. Africa, and Israel. numerous
>military analysts have even went so far as to point out
>flaws of the german strategy, and what more effective
>"solutions" would have been.

But Im sure you arent referring to the Nazis because of that. Otherwise you could use other, better examples. Of which there are several. Again we come back to the point of why you would want to use the most offensive example possible. To make a point? To shock? To demonise the Israelis? To try and evoke the holocaust? And you throw the charge of intellectual dishonesty at me...

>>Belligerent means warlike. They are soldiers. Go figure.
>This is a pathetic attempt to excuse their criminal actions
>by treating it like its justified.

Nope, its an attempt to try to get you to use words you understand the meaning of.

The irony is that you
>criticize American soldiers in Iraq for the same thing, and
>instead of admitting that your emotionally fueled response
>predisposes you to white-washing israel's crimes, you
>continue on your downward spiral.

At what point did I whitewash the Israelis? I have said on many occasions they act badly, and commit atrocities. The difference is, Israelis face repeated terrorist attacks from Palestinian extremists, whereas the US had no reason to go to war with Iraq...

>>>Difference is that zionism is an ideology rooted in hate.
>>>the Palestinians hatred is rooted in oppression.
>>Aha, and the Palestinians dont hate the Israelis? Did it
>>ever occur to you that the Zionists just dont care that much
>>about the Palestinians (not that that is right either)?
>your bigotry reveals itself once more. in a previous
>exchange, you seemed content with interchangeably using the
>word "Palestinian" with the word "terrorist".

I apologised for my oversight, and explained my reasoning. I dont believe all Palestinians are terrorists. Have you ever apologised for the things you said?

note how i had
>never made such a horrendous mistake of committing a
>fallacious substitute.

Your views on Jews are pretty clear from your choice of sources amongst other things. You may as well go the whole way...

Yet you seem content to make statements
>implicating uniform hatred for jews among Palestinians.

There is wide spread anti-jewish feeling amongst the Palestinians, and the Arab world in general. Saying this, not all Palestinians or Arabs hate Jews.

>you said that in response to me pointing out how zionism is
>an ideology rooted in hate. "Palestinian" is not an
>ideology. "zionism" is. there is no such thing as
>Palestinianism. there is such a thing as zionism.

Ok then, militant Palestinianism. There doesnt have to be a name to be an ideology. As an ideologue of undisclosed ideology you should be able to see that...

>and what on earth were you trying to say by pointing out
>zionists don't care about the Palestinians??? its obvious
>the zionists dont care for the Palestinians. that's why they
>want to ethnically clense them.

You are misunderstanding not caring. There is a difference between intent and lack of intent. Its a subtle one, and you havent grasped it yet. Most of the zionists dont give a fuck one way or another...

>Palestinian terrorism does not affect the physical,
>emotional, and psychological well-being of the average
>Israeli on any remotely comparable levels with how Israeli
>terrorism affects Palestinians.

Moral Relativism again anyone? Ive had my fill of that one..


>Kill 'em all, let yahwey sort 'em out, right? You're a
>fucking lunatic. Don't even compare this to a gun fight.
>this isn't small arms exchange fool. you don't raze whole
>neighborhoods because one resident fired a shot. collective
>punishment is a war crime.

Unlike suicide bombing civilians which is legitimate resistance. Seriously now. Im not condoning the Israeli actions, but it isnt completely mistifying is it?

>>In other words, "they started it". This is puerile and
>>facile to say the least....
>this is why you can never be intellectually honest.

Why, because you are puerile and facile?

>>Unlike the leaders of the suicide bombers who are desperate
>>for peace at any cost?
>see CAUSE AND EFFECT. israel's leaders direct national

let me guess "they started it?"

terrorist leaders direct their respective terrorist
>group, not the Palestinian people. your constant comparison
>of the israeli state w/ individual groups is almost as
>flawed as your train of thought.

I see, and the Palestinian people dont support these groups at all?

>>By the way, how often have legitimate
>>palestinian democratic leadership elections been held. Dont
>>be too quick to throw the term "fascist" around. It might
>>come back at you like a boomerang...
>WTF kind of point is that shit? You're fucking pathetic man.
>anything that's fascist deserves to be called so. how often
>were the palestinians in a position where they could
>actually have a government??

Even if you dont have a government, you need a leadership, otherwise the man with the most money and guns wins...