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26025, RE: read again.
Posted by insanejake, Sun Nov-21-04 03:00 PM
>I was clearly referring to Henry Ford's papers when I said
>there were FULLY CITED references to very interesting JEWISH
>SOURCES that provide valuable insight into understanding the
>subject. By Jewish sources, I mean articles and books and
>speech experts by Jews regarding zionism. I made no mention
>of the protocols as being such a source. Don't twist my
>words (intentionally or otherwise).

Nope, the Ford piece, you asked me to justify why I felt it was offensive, despite the obvious lies and hatred in it. You said you felt the paper revealed some interesting points. I doubt those were about how anti-semitic he is.

>>>2. the Henry Ford piece cannot be compared to Mein Kompf.
>>>you're making a fallacious association in arguing that point
>>Nope, Im saying what I said before. Bring up known
>>anti-semites and racists and you discredit your own point.
>>Now you can argue the toss all you like, you have offended
>>me. That is an emotional thing. People in my family died as
>>a result of the sorts of shit you are peddling now.
>Man seriously shut the fuck up with this accusation of me
>peddling anything.

You are selling this article like its the truth, and had the nerve to ask where the heavily anti-semitic undertones where.

I understand why this is an emotional
>subject for you and everything, but that doesn't excuse you
>from the mistake of illogically assuming I support
>everything in this article or the Henry Ford piece 100%.

How can you support any of it when these people are making assertions like this? Do you support ANYTHING the Nazi's stood for? Or the Klan?

>Don't substitute the words in either articles to be
>representative of my opinions.

Your opinion it seems to me is that Zionism equated to Nazism. Now for me, that is offensive, as I percieve Zionism as the Jews wanting their own homeland. That in itself is not an intriniscly racist or genocidal opinion and it is one I stand by.

It might help you to get a
>second opinion as to what little I HAVE WRITTEN on the Henry
>Ford papers to balance your emotionally dictated

I did, someone else posted explaining why it was racist hateful anti-jewish propoganda. I will paste it here for you cos you clearly didnt read it through the first time

"What are you thinking man? Really? I don't think anyone here should have to go through Henry Ford's calculated assault on the Jewish people to find what they deem offensive or garbage. If anything, the burden of proof is on you, considering that Henry Ford was a Nazi sympathizer. I did however, read up on the Jew destroying baseball. How can you take any of this seriously? And if you choose to read that part, keep in mind that Harry Frazee, the man who bought the Red Sox and eventually sold Babe Ruth wasn't Jewish at all. In the end, the Dearborn Independent's charges that he was the protagonist in The International Protocols of the Elders of Zion ran the poor guy out of Boston. What does shit like this bring to the table when it comes to solving problems in the Middle East? Anything? Anything at all? Really now, just start bringing out links to Mein Kampf and the Turner Diaries while you're at it, because Lord knows those are "interesting"."

I don't post here to seek respect or validation
>from you or anyone else on these forums, so telling me I've
>lost yours doesn't affect me in anyway, but thanks for
>informing me nonetheless.

So why make these replies?

Does that mean I endorse 100% of
>everything that's written in the piece? NO. But again, I've
>read the Aztlan before and I've seen their position on the
>Protocols, so my understanding of the author's context in it
>was to say that the actions of the Israeli government in
>this Spanish town and Mexico City (when Mossad agents were
>busted plotting to blow up the Mexican parliament) lives up
>to the course of action endorsed by the assumedly
>unauthenticated Protocols.

The term "assumedly" is offensive. The world and his dog knows it is a fake. Find a piece of bullshit propoganda and then find the evidence to fit round it. Jews do bad things, sure. Whites do bad things, sure. Blacks do bad things sure. Muslims do bad things. How does posting this evil shit help anyone? Its like Suave Bro posting off one of his anti muslim sites...

Its sorta like how a lot of
>people in the U.S. would make references to Willie Lynch to
>elaborate on the systematic oppression of black people (even
>though the Willie Lynch speech's was proven to be false).
>Despite the article's author's intentions, do I agree with
>what he wrote? No.

So why make out that you do agree with it and defend his bullshit analogies and comparisons?

>>Do you know any Israelis?
>Yes. Many, including former soldiers in the IDF. I had a
>roomate who was a former IDF commando that had trained IDF
>soldiers, and had personally been involved in numerous
>raids. I also know several former soldiers who've fought in
>the 6-day war and the so-called "war for independence".

Well they did have to fight a war to be independant.... And all Israelis served in the army. Did you constantly thrust this shite upon them as well?

>>Any Palestinians?
>Yes. Many.

Do you ask them about suicide bombings and anti-jewish propoganda? Or do you just reserve judgement for the Jews?

>>Any Holocaust survivors?

And do you dare tell these people that they are Nazis for being zionists?

>I am not going to appologize for anything I've done unless
>I've offended anyone with my own words and/or actions.

You have.

>you're hypersensitivity leads you to take offense over
>people POSTING ARTICLES, then you need to get over yourself.

It seems like you too are emotional now. What makes you any better than Suave Bro?

>This is BULLSHIT and once you let it sink in, you'll realize
>it too. The ONLY WAY I would ever appologize is if I've ever
>said/written or behaved in any manner that is unequivocally