>Not quite sure I understand you.

let me try again. your comment was:

"do you people have something against being responsible and shouldering your part of the load?????"

now, to me this is an odd question. i don't really thing anyone would, but the key (from what i've glommed from this discussion) is that everyone has to determine their "part of the load". for you to ask this question, in a small way, implies that you don't think this is taking place.

>I want for folk to take/accept
>responsibility for what they do.

..and what if they don't think they have done anything? don't the rest of us have to pick up that slack (per se)? You know we share many opinions, so i'm not disagreeing with anything you've said, i just want you to see the futility in tryinbg to get someone else to do something by cajoling them. i say, bring forth the topic and join those who agree. those who wish to aregue or justify their curret position will only slow your proress down.

>I want for us to realize
>that there is a battle
>of principalities - and does
>"Back that thing up" help
>or hinder?

it depends on the circumstances and one's perspective. if you think it hinders then you gotta counteract. trying to convince those who DON'T will make you really tired (believe me).
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