409, Keep it moving. Posted by HoChiGrimm, Wed Aug-11-04 12:23 PM
>It's real simple: the revisionists are wrong. Pinko, Ho, >and the rest...wrong.
If I offered left-wing sources, you'd be accussing me of citing "Marxist prop- aganda" or "Postmodern tripe". Instead, I provide you with testomonies from Under Secre- tary of State Joseph Grew Ad- miral William Leahy, the Chief of Staff to President Roosevelt and then to President Truman, Army Chief of Staff General George Marshall. Sec. of War Henry Stimson; and finally, Dwight Eisenhower who argued the bombs were unecessary, and I'm labeled a "revisionist".
Could you conservatives come up with something better, than to label everyone you disagree with?
>Japan had no intentions of surrendering before Nagasaki, at >least unconditionally.
I already stated they refused unconditional surrender. But why did they refuse uncondit- ional surrender? Because "the absence of any assurance rega- rding the Emperor's fate became Japan's chief objection to the Potsdam Proclamation" (Pacific War Research Society, The Day Man Lost, pg. 212-214).
Now, one could argue that the Japanese should not have been able to dictate the terms of their surrender and I would agree with that. HOWEVER, the refusal by Japan to acknowledge the Potsdam Proclamation does not in any way, shape, or form justify the use of nuclear weapons against two civilian populations.
Besides, onn July 2, 1945, Sec. of War Henry Stimson and Truman discussed a proposal by Stimson to call for Japan to surrender. Stimson's memo to the President advised, "I personally think that if in saying this we should add that we do not exclude a con- stitutional monarchy under her present dynasty, it would subst- antially add to the chances of acceptance". Stimson's proposed surrender demand stated that the reformed Japanese government "may include a constitutional monarchy under the present dynasty" (U.S. Dept. of State, Potsdam 1, pg. 889-894).
Even Truman's advisors such as Joseph Grew and Henry Stimson ar- gued that the surrender terms sh- ould be modified in order to bring a quick end to the war. According to Admiral William D. Leahy, the highest ranking military official in the U.S. at the time as chief of staff to the president, "The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender.... The use of this barbarous weapon was of no ma- terial assistance in our war against Japan."
Al this basically means that top officials in the Truman Admin- istration -- including Truman him- self -- KNEW 1) that Japan was de- feated and 2) that there were feas- ible alternatives to nuclear con- fligration.
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