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2273, RE: damn,
Posted by dhalgren718, Sat Mar-20-04 03:33 AM
>your experience sounds like some movie ish.
>
>i've never observed or heard of Black people ATTACKING a
>mixed couple for no reason as they walk the neighborhood.
>but hey, i guess you never know. i do remember this one time
>though, as a student, when this white dude that was dating
>someone Black in a drunken stupor said something to the
>effect of "man, I get so much Black pussy" to a group of
>Black dudes outside the bar. i don't need to detail the
>whooping the ensued.

I lived outside of New York for 5 years before moving back. I recommend it to any New Yorker - New York is not America. Living in Cleveland for 5 years? THAT's America: cross burnings in Parma, gay bashing in Lakewood, boojie bigots from Maple Heights, militant black Muslims from East Cleveland, the Heights, and Kinsman - all great fun stuff. In the end, we carved out a niche and stuck to it, because my wife was being called 'cookie' to my 'cracker', and I was getting into fistfights just to get my beard lined up. Let me tell you why I never wanted to leave New York again. Because the rest of this country is as narrow-minded and ridiculous as the rest of the world paints us out to be. In New York, my wife and I are anonymous. Once we LEAVE New York, we become a conversational piece.

>
>i've came to this position from experience. every last Black
>person i know that dates white folk has issues with their
>own Blackness. not little issues but fundamental shit. this
>one dude (this was the most absurd thing i'd ever heard)
>told me one of the reasons that he liked his white
>girlfriend (who he was dating for TWO years) because of her
>hair. he said: "i love how soft her hair is and that her how
>soft fingers through it." sorry, but that reeks of
>colonization and self-hate.
>
>so when it came down to it every last person i had spoken to
>told me one of the main reason they were dating their white
>partner had something to do with that person's whiteness.
>
>do you see the conflict?

I do. But that's from people coming into a relationship with issues before hand - THEIR self-hate politicizes the relationship before it even gets off the ground. It's like Jews who only date Aryan blondes. I dated a very broad array of women - Egyptian, Korean, Italian, Dominican, Jewish, Irish, Puerto Rican, Jamaican - before I settled down, so it wasn't a matter of like "Ooooo - Black Female. I get street credibility!" By then, I'd matured enough to sort of assess each person on their own terms. I understand what you're saying, but I attribute the shortcomings to immaturity, not politics.

>how can you be a Black person that longs for your partner's
>whiteness? you are either delusional or politically off?
>
>i think that its a combination of both.
>
>it's sorta like how eldrigde cleaver raped Black women to
>practice how to rape white women. some deeprooted crazy
>self-hate and misogyny.

That's fuckin' crazy! I just finished 'Soul on Ice' again - and a good example. I have to step back for a minute to fuck with that.