First off--to K.orr--I think most of my points were relating to the concept of turning the tables--and I should have responded to the original post....rather than the "sub-thread" or whatever you call it.
I agree though, that taking back you community, learning your history and defining you own liberation is what its all about.Which is EXACTLY why I don't get the idea of "turning the tables"
If you are talking revolution--well hell, define a new reality, rather than adopting a capitalist, racist, patriarchal, soulsucking system...just with new puppetmasters

"Much love, but that's shit--no offense."--Ha!None taken

D-best--I do agree that true feminist theory promotes equality of the sexes--but you'd be naive to think that many women out there involved in the "struggle" aren't wanting some revenge!!Back in my bad ass politico days I used to fight just to let men be INVITED to some of the actions we put on....these women were missing the point because their anger was clouding the issue.I see the same problem arise in discussions of racism.The anger is soooo legitimate, but what kind of society do you want at the end of the day??



The changes I'm talking about here are not measurable by todays standards.I'm talking about creating a whole new value system, a whole new economy..and it really requires dropping a lot of our current expectations.Requires great mind expansion!But oooooh this is a whole other post really.....

Shim