>on the other hand i also
>like to see people admired
>for more than what they
>look like.

on tv!?

>personally, i've met/been with/seen TONS of
>physically attractive women who (in
>my opinion) had little else
>or were lacking in other
>areas i feel are JUST
>AS important -- if not
>more. therefore, i'm no longer
>impressed by look alone.

we're not talking about women you meet- we're talking about women in videos.

>going back to the point of
>videos and such

ok

>i like videos that have a
>little more depth than "lets
>parade a buch of buts
>past the camera". particularly at
>a time when the large
>majority of hihhop video have
>little more than that.

thats fair

>>I mean- you say you dont
>>want to just see her
>>ass -
>
>did i say that?

yeah you said you can "no longer witness certain things beyond the affect it may have on ME, the culture i'm in, etc." you commented on looking beyond "the parts which enticed me carnally."

do you think ive misrepresented you- or are you trying to score "thats not what i said" points?

ok ill spot you that one

>i'm saying that if reducing and
>female to only her ass
>is a disservice to her
>and me.

On what grounds do you consider that reducing? If the woman chooses to put her ass out there- it may be the first thing I see or even the only thing (some asses are just that big) but that doesnt mean that I accept the premise that this is all there is. I disagree with the idea that to enjoy ass- I must disregard that this an actual person - real people have asses - all of them - some of them shake them.

>>Does watching a video- or even
>>liking it count as such
>>a sanction or taking part?
>
>i think so

please tell me how so- do these videos differentiate themselves from television media as a whole? if watchin an ass shakin video count as a sanction then doesnt watching BET or MTV count too?

do you watch BET and MTV?

>>if so does denying that
>>you like it resolve that?
>
>not necessarily. on the other hand,
>if i get tired of
>booty videos all the time
>-- the easiest thing is
>to not watch them

certainly

>>Can you condition yourself not
>>to like it?
>
>one could i guess, but i
>have no desire to in
>this case

so you're advocating suppressing one's carnal urges but not reconditioning them?

>>but can you witness
>>things as part of that
>>greater reality?
>
>sure

good

>>Do you have to see a shaking ass
>>beyond its supposed detriment to
>>enjoy it- can you accept
>>the negativty that is involved
>>with it yet appreciate it
>>for its positivity?
>
>one can do/justify however one wants.
>personally, i DO think that
>there are ramifications to a
>constant parade of materialism, sexuality.

yet you still willfully participate?

>to answer your last question, i
>guess it goes back to
>weighing the positive vs. the
>negative. in other words, which
>is more important: getting my
>jollies from seeing a behind
>(and whatever other positives may
>exist) or any damage that
>may result from that image
>being shown.

Again -"when you insist that there is nothing (remarkably) positive about it- are you really broadening your perspective at all?"

>>When you say "certain" things are
>>you meaning things that you
>>find detrimental or negative?
>
>what are you talking about here,
>i'm losing you

well I didnt want to assume what you meant by "certain things". my point is- this indicates that there are some things which you dont regard beyond their impact- how do you differentiate? Take fast food for instance- it ceratinly has an impact on you and your culture- but do you still Super Size?

Im not challenging your idea- just trying to find out what it is.

>>If so when you insist that
>>there is nothing positive about
>>it
>
>did i say that?

That was more pre-emptive than anything. You skirted the argument by admitting that getting one's "jollies" was a positive but slighted any others- I still applied it where appropriate.

K