>>Pardoning an expatriate tax evading billionaire?
>
>Um, why not pardon him? Because
>it doesn't meet YOUR standards?

Cmon now. That's a stupid comeback. At least come up with something RELATIVE when trying to counterargue.

>>Pardoning his own brother, just so
>>he can get right back
>>in trouble with the law?
>>
>His brother had already served the
>time. The pardon was symbolic.
>I'll bet YOU'D pardon your
>brother too.

Actually, no I wouldn't, especially if I was President. That is the one office of government where you should give an unbiased and equal interpretation of the law, since you are the top law enforcement officer of the nation. To give pardons to his brother along with his supporters and such only gives Clinton an aura of biasedness.

Having said that, lemme add this:

1. Has the power of pardon been abused by any other Presidents? Yes.
2. Is this just like the good ol' boy system implemented in various areas of the South? Yes.
3. Is pardoning brothers and supporters illegal? Technically, no.

Clinton isn't the first, and probably wont be the last. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be criticized for abusing his power in office to help his friends. Two wrongs dont make a right, and the sooner we start exposing and holding government officals accountable for corruption the better government will be, no matter if it's big government or smaller government. The bottom line is, if Clinton took money in exchange for pardons he should be brought up on charges, as well as Hillary as well, who should be impeached by the Senate.

>>Pardoning 4 more criminals in New
>>York so Hillary can gain
>>votes that she would have
>>never gotten otherwise?

>Can you prove that??

That's why there are investigations going on.

Besides, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, chances are it's a duck. It was the only Hasidic (did I spell that right?) Jewish community to go to Hillary's favor during the election, and Hillary had mentioned those crooks during campaign speeches. She met with community leaders in the White House a couple of times as well. Quack, quack.

And by
>the way, to recieve a
>pardon you HAVE to have
>been a criminal, it's part
>of the defintion. See, you
>are accused/convicted of a CRIME
>then you a PARDONED for
>the offense. See??

Wrong. You can be under federal investigation and recieve a pardon. Ask anyone that knows about the pardon Bush gave Casper Weinburger on Christmas Eve of 92, another pardon I criticized. Weinburger didn't have charges brought upon him, but he was subpoenaed.

>>Clemency for a drug dealer that
>>sent 800 llbs of cocaine
>>to Minnesota to change it
>>into crack and sell it
>>on the streets?
>>Clemency for a quack business man
>>who was selling fraudulent products
>>to people and evading taxes?

>Again, the president has this power
>granted to him indirectly by
>the constituion and it has
>been upheld by both other
>branches of goverment. There are
>NO checks and balances on
>these. So he doesn't NEED
>YOUR PERMISSION to PARDON anyone.
>Does Cap Weinberger ring a
>bell??

Not to me, personally, but he does need to hold himself accountable to the public for his misdeeds. Clinton knew from the jump that if he was found out he would be in more controversy, so why did he do it? Hell, I hear you guys yelling for Peletier's and Jamal's pardons, and I haven't taken the time to look into information on both sides to give a distinct opinion, but hell, I would rather had Clinton pardon both of them rather than pardon this scum. I'm sure you criticized Sr. Bush for the Weinburger pardon, and Clinton deserves the same thing.

>>And I haven't even gone into
>>the money side of it
>>YET.
>>
>>After this scandal, along with ALL
>>the other scandals that have
>>occurred in the past 8
>>years, you cannot say Clinton
>>isn't a crook, and Hillary
>>shouldn't have charges brought up
>>and impeached for her involvement
>>in these pardons.
>
>Please PROVE that he is a
>crook. They have proven he
>is a LIAR on matters
>pertaining to INFIDELITY, but no
>crimes have been proven.

Actually, the perjury itself was a crime. That's why he was put in contempt of court by a federal judge, not to mention he now has a suspended Arkansas law license due to a plea barganing agreement. Obviously he's done something.

Besides, everytime Clinton has gone into a court, he's lost. It wasn't on criminal charges, but it's obvious that he has a false interpretation of the law.

>Just admit that NOTHING Bill Clinton
>can EVER do will satisy
>you. He is unredeemable and
>will burn in hell.

Just admit that anything Clinton will do you will try to legitimize. There are even people from the Democrat side that are criticizing him, yet no matter what, Bill is gonna be your man. You and his supporters follow Clinton like a litter of puppies.

>That's it, you just have to
>prove it. But to state
>as FACT some BULLSHIT (remember,
>its BULLSHIT until you PROVE
>IT), you are showing your
>lack of judgement.

Wrong. To raise questions about the way he pardoned people is not bullshit, it's an obligation to make sure government stays corruption-free. That might be impossible to you and others, but the bottom line is that the less corruption we have, the better off we all are.

>And I'm the check AND balance.

I suggest you check yourself then.


"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship." - Alexander Tyler

"In general the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one class of citizens to give to the other." -Voltaire

"The assumption that spending more of the taxpayer's money will make things better has survived all kinds of evidence that it has made things worse. The black family- which survived slavery, discrimination, poverty, wars and depressions- began to come apart as the federal government moved in with its well-financed programs to "help." - Thomas Sowell

"Life is insensitive, and the truth can be highly offensive. To hide from either is to hide from the reality of life. Take pride in the fact that I am an equal opportunity offender. You today, someone else tomorrow. You have no constitutional right not to be offended." - Neal Boortz

Some of you still think America's a
democracy. Lemme break it down for
ya...

* Democracy:  Three wolves and a sheep
vote on the dinner menu.
* Democratically Elected Republic: Three
wolves and 2 sheep vote on which sheep's
for dinner. 
* Constitutional Republic: The eating of
mutton is forbidden by law, and the
sheep are armed.

The United States is a CONSTITUTIONAL
REPUBLIC. Not a democracy.

Yes....I am a PROUD Black Libertarian Conservative.