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16471, RE: i agree.
Posted by abduhu, Tue Mar-27-01 08:13 AM
bismillah

however, this does not apply to those words (the qur'an) spoken by muhammad.

revelation (or divine inspiration) was sent to muhammad
in two parts:
1. the qur'an (specific wording by Allah to muhammad, to be kept separate from the explanation, by order of Allah)
2. the explanation of the qur'an (collections of authentic sayings,actions, and approvals of muhammad, kept separate from the words of the qur'an, by order of Allah)

for example, the qur'anic wording is vague on the description of preparing one's self for prayer:
the qur'an 5:6 O ye who believe! when ye prepare for prayer, wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; Rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles. If ye are in a state of ceremonial impurity, bathe your whole body.

but, muhammad explains separately, exactly how to prepare for the prayer:Sahih Bukhari (collections of muhammad's sayings, actions, and approvals)-Volume 1, Book 4, Number 165 :
Narrated Humran:
(the freed slave of 'Uthman bin 'Affan) I saw 'Uthman bin 'Affan asking (for a tumbler of water) to perform ablution (and when it was brought) he poured water from it over his hands and washed them thrice and then put his right hand in the water container and rinsed his mouth and washed his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out. Then he washed his face thrice and (then) forearms up to the elbows thrice, then passed his wet hands over his head and then washed each foot thrice. After that 'Uthman said, "I saw the Prophet performing ablution like this of mine, and he said, 'If anyone performs ablution like that of mine and offers a two-rak'at prayer during which he does not think of anything else (not related to the present prayer) then his past sins will be forgiven.

as you can see, muhammad showed uthmaan the exact way to prepare for prayer, and uthmaan showed humran.

and this is the case thoughout the qur'an. its explanation lies with muhammad, and cannot be understood w/o muhammad.


now, people have tried to give certain meaning to certain verses of the qur'an, as you have said, for their own selfish purposes.
but they are incorrect in doing that.
they should ask learned muslims for the meanings, instead of making up their own.
and that's why for a muslim, it is critical to know his deen (way of life,i.e. islam), and to study and ask questions to knowledgeable persons, so he won't sin by speaking falsely about the qur'an.

i learn from a brother from libya, who has studied for 10+years, and has a doctorate in islamic law. and he, along w/ other knowledgeable brothers, have corrected me in my ways and practices, numerous times.

and i am devoted to the wisdom that Allah gave to muhammad ,to give to the world.


out.



Allah says about Truth and Falsehood in The Qur'an:
21:18 Nay! We hurl The Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out it's brain, and behold, falsehood perishes! Ah! woe be to you for the false things you ascribe.

Allah says about Moses and Pharoah in The Qur'an:
10.075 Then after them sent We Moses and Aaron to Pharaoh and his chiefs with Our Signs. But they were arrogant: they were a people in sin.
10.076 When the Truth did come to them from Us, they said: "This is indeed evident sorcery!"
10.077 Said Moses: "Say ye (this) about the truth when it hath (actually) reached you? Is sorcery (like) this? But sorcerers will not prosper."
10.078 They said: "Hast thou come to us to turn us away from the ways we found our fathers following,- in order that thou and thy brother may have greatness in the land? But not we shall believe in you!"
10.079 Said Pharaoh: "Bring me every sorcerer well versed."
10.080 When the sorcerers came, Moses said to them: "Throw ye what ye (wish) to throw!"
10.081 When they had had their throw, Moses said: "What ye have brought is sorcery: Allah will surely make it of no effect: for Allah prospereth not the work of those who make mischief.
10.082 "And Allah by His words doth prove and establish His truth, however much the sinners may hate it!"
10.083 But none believed in Moses except some children of his people, because of the fear of Pharaoh and his chiefs, lest they should persecute them; and certainly Pharaoh was mighty on the earth and one who transgressed all bounds.
10.084 Moses said: "O my people! If ye do (really) believe in Allah, then in Him put your trust if ye submit (your will to His)."
10.085 They said: "In Allah do we put out trust. Our Lord! make us not a trial for those who practise oppression;
10.086 "And deliver us by Thy Mercy from those who reject (Thee)."
10.087 We inspired Moses and his brother with this Message: "Provide dwellings for your people in Egypt, make your dwellings into places of worship, and establish regular prayers: and give glad tidings to those who believe!"
10.088 Moses prayed: "Our Lord! Thou hast indeed bestowed on Pharaoh and his chiefs splendour and wealth in the life of the present, and so, Our Lord, they mislead (men) from Thy Path. Deface, our Lord, the features of their wealth, and send hardness to their hearts, so they will not believe until they see the grievous penalty."
10.089 Allah said: "Accepted is your prayer (O Moses and Aaron)! So stand ye straight, and follow not the path of those who know not."
10.090 We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam)."
10.091 (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)!
10.092 "This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!"
10.093 We settled the Children of Israel in a beautiful dwelling-place, and provided for them sustenance of the best: it was after knowledge had been granted to them, that they fell into schisms. Verily Allah will judge between them as to the schisms amongst them, on the Day of Judgment.

subhakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika