>It is well-known that Israel's borders
>are larger than its original
>ones. This came about through
>wars against Israel where Israel
>took land for strategic purposes
>and later one the war.
>A country in such a
>situation has no compulsion to
>give it back to anyone.

In reading this post, and other posts you have put up, it seems, at least to me, that you think "Might makes Right." Can you imagine what kind of world we would live in if Might makes Right? First of all, Hitler would be right to take over Poland and other European countries, because his army would've been mightier than the others. And therefore, it would be no one else's business to stop him, because his might made him right. Iraq would've been right in taking over Kuwait, and it would be no one else's business either, for the same reason. But that's not the way the world works. That's why it is ILLEGAL TO TAKE OVER LAND BY FORCE.......REGARDLESS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES. This includes Israel, yet Israel seems to think it is exempt from these rules. Is Israel special? Is Israel above the law? I don't think so. That's why Israel should withdraw fully from the West Bank, including East Jerusalem (which was taken by force) and the Gaza Strip.
>
>At Deir Yassin, they had a
>truck with a loudspeaker too,
>and asked everyone to leave,
>or else they would have
>to engage in combat with
>them. The citizens that later
>got killed in fighting did
>not want to leave, so
>they got in a battle
>with the Israeli army, which
>the Israeli army won.

Gee, those unreasonable Palestinians. Didn't want to leave THEIR OWN LAND. That's what they get for wanting to stay in their own land and own homes. If someone came to your land, land your family has owned for centuries, land your great, great, grandparents lived in, land that eventually got passed down to you, you have a right to stay there and no one has a right to come with a loudspeaker, tell you to leave, or die. WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP!!! DON'T BE RIDICULOUS!!!! Look at it from a reasonable point of view.

> and that there
>were actually soldiers there. The
>Israeli army actually evacuated many
>civilians from the fighting, and
>brought them to Jerusalem. This
>was during the Sabbath too.
>
>
>The Palestinian leaders manufactured a claim
>of rape in order to
>get support from the other
>Arab countries. Hazam Nusseibi, a
>Palestinian broadcaster, admitted being told
>by Hussein Khalidi to say
>that Palestinians at Deir Yassin
>were raped. Hussein was told
>this by Abu Mahmud, a
>resident, who said that there
>was no rape, but they
>still needed to say that
>to get support.


Manufactured claims by the Palestinians? I don't think so. One of the major Israeli newspapers, the Yediot Aharonot, in its April 4, 1972 issue interviewed an Israeli eyewitness, Col. Meir Pa'el, on the "manufactured claim" of the Deir Yassin massacre. Some of his words: "They also shot everyone they saw in the houses, including women and children—indeed commanders made no attempt to check the disgraceful acts of slaughter."..."In the meantime some 25 men...were loaded onto a freight truck and At the end of the parade, they were taken to a stone quarry...and shot in cold blood."
Is that what you meant when you said the Israeli army actually evacuated some civilians and brought them to Jerusalem?

Pa'el went on to say: "the men of started a shameful massacre of the...men, women, old people, and children, without distinction, standing them against walls and in corners in the houses." All these claims were made by an Israeli military eyewitness, and he added that there is photographic evidence of this. So these sadistic and brutal actions did happen to Deir Yassin Palestinians and were not manufactured by the Palestinians as you claim. These events were spread by Israelis using loudspeakers in other Palestinian towns and villages to create panic among the Palestinians, forcing them to flee.

>Your statements regarding Jerusalem's population are
>unfounded. A multitude of censuses
>indicate that Jerusalem has had
>a Jewish majority since the
>1840s.
>
>Numbers given as Jews / Muslims
>/ Christians:
>
>1844 - 7120 / 5000 /
>3360
>1876 - 12 000 / 7560
>/ 5470
>1896 - 28 112 / 8560
>/ 8748
>1922 - 33 971 / 13
>413 / 14 699
>1931 - 51 222 / 19
>894 / 19 335
>1948 - 100 000 / 40
>000 / 25 000
>
>Those numbers are from the Turkish
>Census of 1844, The Living
>Guide Indicator de la Terre-Sainte,
>the Calendar of Palestine 1895-1896,
>the British Mandate Census of
>1922, E. Mills' Census of
>Palestine, and "Jerusalam - The
>Old City", by Z. Vilnay.
>
>
>After that I'm sure you are
>well aware that Jerusalem has
>had a Jewish majority.

According to your numbers, Jews did have a RELIGIOUS majority in Jerusalem. Prior to Zionism, Palestinian Christians, Muslims, and Jews coexisted peacefully in Palestine, including Jerusalem. They all considered themselves, first and foremost, Palestinians. However with Zionism poisoning the coexistence of Palestinians regardless of faith, a distinction was made between Jews and Palestinians (Arab Christians and Muslims). While Jews had the religious majority, based on the ethnic distinctions created by Zionism, Palestinians made up the majority of Jerusalem residents, at least in your first two sets of numbers. In the British census of 1922, some inacurracies did exist. The census did not count Palestinians who may have been abroad at the time of the counting. Therefore, this may have underestimated the number of Palestinians living in Jerusalem. By 1931, mass Jewish immigration to Palestine from Europe was taking place, and a lot of it was ILLEGAL, according to the British Mandate over Palestine. And by 1948, Zionist terrorism and expulsions clearly gave Jews a majority, not only religiously, but now they vastly outnumbered the combined Palestinian Christian and Muslim population in Jerusalem. However, in East Jerusalem, after the 1948 war, Palestinians still made up the majority, until ILLEGAL Jewish settlements tried to create new facts on the ground. These illegal settlements continue today. Since conquest of land by force is illegal, East Jerusalem (taken by force) must be given back to Palestine; the Jewish settlements in and around East Jerusalem are also illegal, and should be dismantled along with all other settlements (which are all illegal) in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. And another reason E. Jerusalem should be given back to the Palestinians is because Palestinian administration of the city would take care of the Palestinian residents of the city, whereas Israeli administration discriminates against and neglects Palestinian parts of the city. Palestinians should also be given control of the relevant (Muslim and Christian) religious sites since most, if not all, Palestinians are either Muslim or Christian.