>I have to find the a
>specific reference for the FLavius
>account but in that is
>a POPULAR historical controversy.

Antiquities 18: 3 -"Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man.".. And yes it has been quetioned by scholars, that an Orthodox Jew would call Jesus the Christ. Flavius didnt Believe Christ was the Messiah (Stated in his book Contra Celsum 1: 47)But despite these concerns there are reasons in favor of accepting Most of the text as genuine. First, There is good texual evidence for the mention of Jesus and No textual evidence against it. Second, the text is written in the Style of Flavius. Third, some of the words most likely did not come from a Christian. Fourth, the passage fits its context gramtically and historically. Fifth, the Reference to Jesus in Antiquities 20 presuppose the earlier passage. finally an Arabic version of the text contains the basic elements without the quetionable parts:
"At this time there was a wise man named Jesus. His conduct was good and was known to be virtuous. And many people Became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. But those who became his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixon, and that he alive; accordingly he was perhaps the Messiah, concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders" (Habemas,Gary Ancient Evidence for the Life of Jesus)

As for Talmud The most significant text is Sanhedrin 43a
this passage confirms the crucifixion, the timing of the event on the eve of passover, and the accusation of sorcery and apostasy.