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12852, RE: I Hate Liars.
Posted by osoclasi, Sat Jun-23-01 07:12 AM
>>>It is true that God is
>>>the only effective force in
>>>the world. He has full
>>>control over the universe and
>>>not a single particle is
>>>beyond his command and control.
>>>However this does not mean
>>>that God is responsible for
>>>every evil in this world.
>>>
>>
>>Responce: But what I am arguing
>>is that the Qur'an says
>>that ALlah is responsible for
>>all of the evil.
>
>where does it say this in
>the qur'an, verbatim or otherwise?
>
>chapter and verse and none of
>that opinion stuff.
>
>>>Here a distinction between God's 'Sanction'
>>>and his 'Liking' must be
>>>understood. Everything that happens in
>>>the universe follows God's sanction
>>>or permission for it. Nothing
>>>can happen unless God allows
>>>it to happen. However, it
>>>does not necessary mean that
>>>He also likes whatever He
>>>sanctions.
>>>
>>>This world is a place where
>>>all men are being judged.
>>>Human actions are being watched
>>>and recorded for final judgment
>>>on the Day of Judgment.
>>>Since this life is a
>>>test period, men must have
>>>the freedom to choose between
>>>evil and good. God would
>>>not interfere with human choices,
>>>nor would manipulate them, because
>>>this would defeat the very
>>>purpose of a test. This
>>>world is like an examination
>>>hall. A supervisor passes by
>>>a student and finds that
>>>the student is writing down
>>>an incorrect reply to the
>>>question asked. Should the supervisor
>>>ignore this mistake or should
>>>he tell the student that
>>>he is not attempting the
>>>question correctly? Obviously, we think
>>>that the correct conduct of
>>>the supervisor entails that he
>>>should ignore the student's mistake.
>>>If the student is checked
>>>right during the examination, the
>>>very purpose of the examination
>>>is defeated.
>>
>>Responce: But there are passages in
>>the Qur'an that state that
>>the kid is taking the
>>test is under Allah's influence
>>and that Allah is the
>>only one that is active
>>everything else is passive.
>
>where does it say this in
>the qur'an, verbatim or otherwise?
>
>chapter and verse and none of
>that opinion stuff.
>
>and here is a link for
>you to use to get
>the verses:http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/
>
>no excuse.
>
>mean what you say and say
>what you mean.
>
>tell you what though, i'll give
>you a verse that is
>clear and precise and it
>is about free will, w/
>three translations!!!:
>
>18.029
>YUSUFALI: Say, "The truth is from
>your Lord": Let him who
>will believe, and let him
>who will, reject (it): for
>the wrong-doers We have prepared
>a Fire whose (smoke and
>flames), like the walls and
>roof of a tent, will
>hem them in: if they
>implore relief they will be
>granted water like melted brass,
>that will scald their faces,
>how dreadful the drink! How
>uncomfortable a couch to recline
>on!
>PICKTHAL: Say: (It is) the truth
>from the Lord of you
>(all). Then whosoever will, let
>him believe, and whosoever will,
>let him disbelieve. Lo! We
>have prepared for disbelievers Fire.
>Its tent encloseth them. If
>they ask for showers, they
>will be showered with water
>like to molten lead which
>burneth the faces. Calamitous the
>drink and ill the resting-place!
>
>SHAKIR: And say: The truth is
>from your Lord, so let
>him who please believe, and
>let him who please disbelieve;
>surely We have prepared for
>the iniquitous a fire, the
>curtains of which shall encompass
>them about; and if they
>cry for water, they shall
>be given water like molten
>brass which will scald their
>faces; evil the drink and
>ill the resting-place.
>
>keywords: Let him who will believe,
>and let him who will,
>disbelieve
>
>
>
>.....And please remember, the next time
>you see one of these
>fake kufi wearing, bead toting
>peeps step to you and
>ask you whats the last
>book you read respond by
>saying...Brother/Sister, I am the last
>book, and you're just one
>of the chapters that I
>need to finish...
>(c) naiea
>
>Is it true he is not
>from the 19th Galaxy, but
>was released from the 19th
>precinct?! (c) Grand Royal about
>Dr. Malachi Z. York.
>
>who is Prophet Muhammad -salla Allahu
>'alaihi wa sallam (peace be
>upon him)? click here to
>read his biography:
>http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/SM_tsn/
>
>Narrated Aisha (Prophet Muhammad's wife):
>The Prophet used to offer prayer
>at night (for such a
>long time) that his feet
>used to crack. I said,
>"O Allah's Apostle! Why do
>you do it since Allah
>has forgiven you your faults
>of the past and those
>to follow?" He said, "Shouldn't
>I love to be a
>thankful slave (of Allah)?' When
>he became old, he prayed
>while sitting, but if he
>wanted to perform a bowing,
>he wound get up, recite
>(some other verses) and then
>perform the bowing.
>
>subhaanakallahumma (Glory be to you, Oh
>Allah), wabihamdika (and I praise
>You). ashhadu anla ilaha illa
>anta (I bear witness that
>none has the right to
>be worshipped except You). astaghfiruka
>(I seek Your forgiveness), wa
>attuubu ilaika (and I turn
>to You in Repentance).