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12827, RE: Jesus was PREDESTINED TO DIE?
Posted by Jennyfer, Thu Jun-14-01 09:53 AM
>so that tells me that jesus
>WAS PREDESTINED TO DIE for
>our sins, b/c God knew
>AFORETIME that we WOULD SIN.
>
>
>and therefore, according to you, if
>it WAS PREDESTINED, we really
>dont have a choice.

Predestination is not the same as Determinism.
We do have a choice whether to Accept God the Father,Son and Holy Spirit. A choice whether to do right or wrong. etc. Since God KNOWS the OUTCOME but doesn't Interfere with our free choice that's how he can predetermine somthing. Predetermination doesn't mean we dont have a choice, it does mean that God knows the choice we freely make before hand.


AND
>as such, JESUS really DIDNT
>HAVE A CHOICE, based on
>the information THAT YOU SUPPLIED.

God's choice began with His plan for mankind's redemption in Genesis. Yes God the Son knew what He "HAD" to do it's His plan.

>and based on the information THAT
>YOU SUPPLIED above, how can
>there be "free will" in
>the bible, if JESUS was
>PREDESTINED TO DIE?

You also must remember that Jesus is God. Now if we dont have free will then we as human are not morally wrong for anything. God would be wrong for punishing us if we didnt have the freedom to choose. If there was no Free will all human action would be God's fault cause if God caused the action we could not stop it.

Also if there is no free will then God would have given Satan the desire to rebel against Him. This is impossible because God of the Bible can't go against Himself.