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12660, RE: Pharoah heart
Posted by mcbadfeet, Mon Jun-11-01 06:41 AM

>Responce: What are some of her
>questions I'd love to answer
>them for her.

These are her questions.

>>
>>Now Christianity and black nationalism don't
>>really match so I never
>>belonged to a church, except
>>for a 3-4 year stint
>>at a new wave "Science
>>of Mind" church that moms
>>was goin to when I
>>was like 7-11 years old
>>(Really new wave. We met
>>on the 9th floor of
>>the Water Tower Place). My
>>parents never really talked bad
>>about Christians, but moms did
>>point out contradictions that baffled
>>her. Like in Exodus when
>>God hardened Pharoah's heart so
>>he wouldn't let Moses's people
>>go.
>
>Responce: Hey I know that this
>does'nt fit here but listen
>to this. God Hardening Pharoah's
>heart is not a contridiction.

I don't agree.

>First really quick ( write
>back if you want an
>indepth answer) you have to
>look at how God hardened
>Pharaoh's heart. First Pharoah hardened
>his own heart Ex 7:13
>and Ex 8:19. It declares
>that Pharoah's heart grew hard
>Ex 7:13. Futhermore, the way
>God hardened his heart is
>by showing the Pharoah mercy.
>every time God would relieve
>him of a plague the
>Pharoah's heart grew hard. So
>in a sense God did
>harden his heart with mercy
>the pharoah hardened his own
>heart out of stubborness.

You believe that this is the truth so you defend it. It is fine if you need for this to make sense to you. But, you must know that you cannot say that He actually hardened his heart by being merciful. If I bust you in the mouth one time, is holding back the second shot to the mouth mercy? Well I guess so in the Bible.


>Responce: No way, this shows Gods
>authority even over the powers
>of darkness.

No it doesn't. Read Job again. It starts of with the Devil daring God to fuck Job over to prove that his people will love him even under the worst circumstances. What does God have to prove to anyone that he has any real authority over. That is the only question you need to be asking yourself.

>>So from jump I always thought
>>tyhat Christianity was kind of
>>foolish. As a child reading
>>Greek myths I couldn't see
>>how they were any more
>>fake than the Bible stories.
>
>Responce: Because the Bible has history
>behind it and is evidential.

Not true. There is still scholarly debate over whether or not Jesus the Christ ever existed. I'm not equipped to argue it either way, but you would be hard pressed to find any evidence outside of religious text that would support his existence. But we all know when It comes to spiritual beliefs, faith is the most important thing, so this usually doesn't and shouldn't matter to Christians.


>Responce: But you can't look at
>Europeans and find Christianity you
>have to go to the
>source.

Are you trying to argue?? I think we agree here.

>
>>Still in the past 5
>>years or so I have
>>come to realize that Christianity
>>is not an evil. Partly
>>do to some of the
>>first real conversations that I
>>had with cats on the
>>topic when I was at
>>Morehouse. I see it as
>>just another religion. But it's
>>the only one I know
>>of seeking to convert the
>>globe.
>>
>>Yes I do believe in evolution.
>>But that's faith too, because
>>fossil records aren't facts, they
>>have top be interpreted. And
>>no one can explain exactly
>>how things evolve, only that
>>they do.


>Responce: It takes more faith to
>beleive in Evolution than it
>does to believe in creation.

I disagree. Still if the degree of faith it takes to believe in something lessens it's worth, then why aren't you agnostic? No faith there at all.


>Responce: Yes, sin does exist but
>we can debate this later
>if you choose.

Define sin and we'll start.

And in
>this day and age evolution
>is on the ropes. from
>a Biological, Chemical, and logical
>God has revealed himself to
>the world.

This is a nonsense statement.
Maybe some words have been left out.

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