i guess today is "show bitterness toward capitalism day" for ms. loryn.

but this one isn't really about capitalism. at least not at the root.

i'm sure you all have seen them. those lame t-shirts that girls (and women too) are forever wearing. the ones that say the following:

cutie.
princess.(this one ain't too bad though)
diva.(the definition has negative connotations)
hottie.
bitch.(this one BOTHERS ME THE MOST!!!)
foxy.
sexy.

there are others, but it's hot and the names escape me.

and females buy them, thinking it's cute to call yourself a bitch.

yeah y'all, it's cute for little ten year olds (my little sister's age!) to call themselves "sexy". because they're soooooo mature at that age.

what is it with the media and their constant glorification and glamourization of vanity and shallowness?

all these damn things are doing is teach little girls that it's okay to brag and boast about yourself. why don't we have people (read: strong women of substance)teaching our girls that it's okay to have dark brown skin?

it's okay if you don't look like beyonce or britney spears?

it's okay to cover up a bit, and not go out looking like a "hoochie"? (i also hate seeing little girls wear halter tops....)
it's okay to be ten years old?

it's okay not to wear so much make up?

and yet we want children to stay children.

of course, it all started with barbie (another capitalist ploy!).

it seems as though girls are never taught (at least by mainstream figures) that it is brains that are important, and not beauty.

it is brains that will get you into a good college.

it is brains that will get you a good paying job.

and that it is NOT JUST BEAUTY THAT WILL GET YOU "A GOOD BOYFRIEND OR HUSBAND".

as for the "princess" phenomenon--i feel as though i'd be belittling myself if i wore one. i'm a queen, dagnabbit ;-)

that is all. i realize that i'm being incredibly chatty today on this particular board; i'm not usually. i'm just venting a little. there are more things that are bothering me than i thought.

-loryn

"I love this land. I'm not crazy about the nation."--Alice Walker

I stopped combing my mind so my thought could lock--Saul Williams

I'm with you on all the points

.:
>
bitch.(this one BOTHERS ME THE MOST!!!) ????????????that one really bothers me and it's sad to see ppl wearing them, just plain sad

>
>it's okay if you don't look
>like beyonce or britney spears?

Thank you
>
>>
>it's okay not to wear so
>much make up?

with you there
>
>and yet we want children to
>stay children.

>

I hope someone reads this

>brains that are important, and
>not beauty.
>
>it is brains that will get
>you into a good college.
>
>
>it is brains that will get
>you a good paying job.
>
>
>and that it is NOT JUST
>BEAUTY THAT WILL GET YOU
>"A GOOD BOYFRIEND OR HUSBAND".
>

that said, "PIMP"
yeah, it was a she.

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what you call yourself is what you eventually become.

that's another thing that young girls AND boys should learn.

adults too....

-loryn

"I love this land. I'm not crazy about the nation."--Alice Walker

I stopped combing my mind so my thoughts could lock--Saul Williams

i'm an okayoungin.

Of course, who they pimping is also another lesson taught. "Kids, don't pimp yourselves."

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***Sandata is the tagalog word for
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used for chores in the kitchen, but
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heads off dpending on your intentions.

for all these "statements" that are bein emblazoned acrost the chests of the young {they don't make those shirts for ppl w/titties & i have learn'd that the fashion industry equates large breasts w/those elder of age}...but like i was sayin...for all the literal material statements bein made...

are we encouragin our daughters to speak???





§•prana•§



"i don't SELL crack...i'm a PROSTITUTE" ~Cops


i keep thinkin about how i love men
but they don't want my love
i mean
they cannot want my love because
they keep givin me reasons to want to kill them
not hate them cuz hatin them kills me
but kill them
there must be sumthin about my love
that they don't want
& they don't even cause me to want to kill them for
uncertifiable reasons
they give me reasons justified
walk into the sun reasons
i be tryin to love men
but they don't want my love
02july01

is an excellent question.

you know what i wanna see?

(i don't know how possible this is but--)

a conference for young women with

ntozake shange(i had to, yo!)
bell hooks
lauryn hill
oprah winfrey
toni morrison
nikki giovanni
jill scott (i wanna hear her speak)
maya angelou
alice walker

and other women artists/poets/journalists/etc.

teaching young women how to speak, how to love yourself, how to love others, how to be an example, discussing the pains we have felt as women, how to deal with these pains, poetry/music/communication workshops.....

man, that would be sweet.

and unrealistic *sigh*

carry on--

-loryn

"I love this land. I'm not crazy about the country."--Alice Walker

I stopped combing my mind so my thoughts could lock--Saul Williams

i'm an okayoungin

be able to make assertions of

"I AM A PRINCESS"

"I AM CUTE/BEAUTIFUL/ABLE TO BE LOVED FOR WHAT I AM"

"I WILL PIMP BEFORE I AM TO BE PIMPED"

"NO"

"THIS MAY BE WHAT PLEASES U...BUT *THIS* PLEASES ME"

"MINE"

anything u know...cuz if u have females walkin around w/t-shirts toutin what their vocal chords/esteems won't allow them to...then the entire point is refutable

like...whatchu sayin when u got a jacket on {coverin up that shirt}???







§•prana•§



"i don't SELL crack...i'm a PROSTITUTE" ~Cops


i keep thinkin about how i love men
but they don't want my love
i mean
they cannot want my love because
they keep givin me reasons to want to kill them
not hate them cuz hatin them kills me
but kill them
there must be sumthin about my love
that they don't want
& they don't even cause me to want to kill them for
uncertifiable reasons
they give me reasons justified
walk into the sun reasons
i be tryin to love men
but they don't want my love
02july01

>
>"I AM A PRINCESS"

yeah!

>
>"I AM CUTE/BEAUTIFUL/ABLE TO BE LOVED
>FOR WHAT I AM"
>

yeah!

>"I WILL PIMP BEFORE I AM
>TO BE PIMPED"
>

it depends on the type of pimping....

>"NO"
>

bsically!

>
>"MINE"

yeah!

>
>anything u know...cuz if u have
>females walkin around w/t-shirts toutin
>what their vocal chords/esteems won't
>allow them to...then the entire
>point is refutable


i'm into designing and making my own clothes.

and i have a few solutions that will be visible in the near future.....



>
>like...whatchu sayin when u got a
>jacket on {coverin up that
>shirt}???

good question.

-loryn

"I love this land. I'm not crazy about the country."--Alice Walker

I stopped combing my mind so my thoughts could lock--Saul Williams

i'm an okayoungin.

>you know what i wanna see?
>
>
>(i don't know how possible this
>is but--)
>
>a conference for young women with
>
>
>ntozake shange(i had to, yo!)
>bell hooks
>lauryn hill
>oprah winfrey
>toni morrison
>nikki giovanni
>jill scott (i wanna hear her
>speak)
>maya angelou
>alice walker
>
>and other women artists/poets/journalists/etc.
>
>teaching young women how to speak,
>how to love yourself, how
>to love others, how to
>be an example, discussing the
>pains we have felt as
>women, how to deal with
>these pains, poetry/music/communication workshops.....
>
>man, that would be sweet.

Yes indeed. It would be extremely sweet. I wouldn't be at it, of course (man that I am), but it would make my heart sing nonetheless. I sometimes look at the messages being sent to young women and I think:

Black girls need a new feminism. You ask the avg. black girl if she's a feminist, and she'll be shocked, whether she's conscious or thinks of BET video chicks as role models. So... I think someone should rise up and start a new movement among young black women. It'll be feminist in the sense that it will focus on making young black women think independently and recognize their inherent self-worth and demand respect. BUT it'll be called something different. I don't know what. I've been thinking of making this into a post, but oh well, you heard it first on this thread. LOVE YOURSELF, QUEEN! That could be the slogan. But I'm a stop making up stuff cuz this movement doesn't need a man to be telling them what they ought to do. You'll get full support from this brother, though!

>
>Yes indeed. It would be
>extremely sweet. I wouldn't
>be at it, of course
>(man that I am), but
>it would make my heart
>sing nonetheless.

:D

I sometimes
>look at the messages being
>sent to young women and
>I think:
>
>Black girls need a new feminism.

i know--i plan to be apart of it.

hell, i already am apart of it.

maybe i can be the new millenium ntozake shange or bell hooks or something.

> You ask the avg.
>black girl if she's a
>feminist, and she'll be shocked,
>whether she's conscious or thinks
>of BET video chicks as
>role models.

some young women (not just black young women) think that feminism starts with hairy legs and and ends with lesbianism.

if they read some of the feminist literature out there (like "for colored girls..." or a few bell hooks essays, and maybe even some joyce carol oates) they would know that this isn't so.

perhaps a neo-feminist book club would be neccessary. it would educate us about what feminism really is.


So... I
>think someone should rise up
>and start a new movement
>among young black women.

this shall be me and a other young black women all over the country that are making the same observations. i really believe that.

>It'll be feminist in the
>sense that it will focus
>on making young black women
>think independently and recognize their
>inherent self-worth and demand respect.

i'm sayin though!!!! :-)

But I'm
>a stop making up stuff
>cuz this movement doesn't need
>a man to be telling
>them what they ought to
>do. You'll get full
>support from this brother, though!

i believe some men are needed in a feminist movement. not necessarily in workshops and conferences, but moreso for support.

women have supported men in almost every American war, every American movement.

it is now their turn to support us. trust and believe.

-loryn

"I love this land. I'm not crazy about the nation."--Alice Walker

I stopped combing my mind so my thoughts could lock--Saul Williams

i'm an okayoungin.

third wave feminism? rebecca walker (daughter of alice walker)'s movement/ new feminism?


==**peace**==

"The logic of divide and rule is still valid today." Capleton

DomePoem Poets; Vibe Nation; One ppl under the spoken word

does she have some books out? a website? where can i find it/them????

-loryn

"I love this land. I'm not crazy about the nation."--Alice Walker

I stopped combing my mind so my thoughts could lock--Saul Williams

i'm an okayoungin.

two books that i know of offhand: "to be real; the changing face of modern feminism" (an anthology that she edited) and "black, white, & jewish"

i couldn't believe it, when i first heard her speak (now i've seen her twice) because she was so right on about so much. she talks a lot about the way that people embody contradictions and having one feminist archetype that every good feminist should strive for is counterproductive and all kindsa stuff like that.

she founded the third wave foundation in nyc, working to spread her ideas and beliefs.

at first her mother about did a backflip when she heard what her daughter was up to because it was so radically different from what she had always believed and strived for, but i believe that rebecca is gaining the support of her mother and mothers' friends slowly but surely.

i think she was even voted one of the most influential up and coming young leaders (by who? when? i don't remember)- but to be real includes essays by bel hooks and danzy senna and a whole buncha other stuff.

you would be happy to know, too, that the way i found ntozake shange was by going to a rebecca walker reading that featured 3 authors, one of which was ntozake, who was *incredible* and talked a lot about trying to be a vegetarian when she was raised by a meatloving ghanan couple.


==**peace**==

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i read about it in BLU magazine--i went to the website, but didn't really explore it fully.

i'ma check it out some more though...

-loryn

no trina?
no lil kim?
no eve?
no vita?
no video-ho (upandcomingactress)?

why am i only coming up with rappers as opposites of the (i wanna say feminist but i don't know if they would all consider themselves feminists) spectrum?
and why are most of these females so closely associated with a group of males?
personally, i wanna see lil kim and 'nem on one side of a panel while queen latifah is the moderator with erybody else on the other side of the panel, and add Joan Morgan to loryn's list. the reason i want to see that is so those involved can maybe see themselves within each other...

>no trina?
>no lil kim?
>no eve?
>no vita?
>no video-ho (upandcomingactress)?

never thought of it that way.

>
>why am i only coming up
>with rappers as opposites of
>the (i wanna say feminist
>but i don't know if
>they would all consider themselves
>feminists) spectrum?

good question...

> and why are most of
>these females so closely associated
>with a group of males?
>

because the music business is a male dominated business, particularly on the record label ownership and production side.

but that's probably only part of it.

many of the women mentioned above didn't grow up with fathers. for instance, little kim's almost unnatural attachment to Biggie (check her interviews) might have been because she did not have a father or a positive father figure to help her grow (yes, i do think that a father can help a girl grow into a woman....but NOT in the same way a mother can AT ALL)

i'm not saying that all women who grow up without a father end up like lil kim/trina/etc. however.

my dad once said that when he sees a girl dressed like a hoochie it's because there was not a man around to tell them that they didn't need to dress like that to attract men. perhaps he's correct.

>personally, i wanna see lil kim
>and 'nem on one side
>of a panel while queen
>latifah is the moderator with
>erybody else on the other
>side of the panel, and
>add Joan Morgan to loryn's
>list. the reason i
>want to see that is
>so those involved can maybe
>see themselves within each other...

OH!!!!!
this would be so sweet.

btw--everybody go and visit www.blackgrrrlrevolution.org

amazing neofeminism site.

-loryn

"I love this land. I'm not crazy about the nation."--Alice Walker

I stopped combing my mind so my thoughts could lock--Saul Williams

SPRING 2002--LORYN'S PRODUCTION OF NTOZAKE SHANGE'S SPELL #7...IT'S COMING.

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madonna

"it don't cost much to go dutch baby"-cl smooth

I remember reading that some lingerie company is starting to make thongs & she-thru undies in sizes that will fit girls 8-12 yrs old.

Scary part is, who I see girls that age shopping with them the most? Mothers. Moms are knowingly buying their daughters this stuff a lot of the time. That's the problem, parents thinking: oh, it's just a phase, kids will be kids, she's just rebeling, all this sex talk is just talk, they don't actually do anything . . . Right? . . .

Just thought I'd throw that in there . . .

Giving you true Calcio since 1986

>I remember reading that some lingerie
>company is starting to make
>thongs & she-thru undies in
>sizes that will fit girls
>8-12 yrs old.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


-loryn


"I love this land. I'm not crazy about the nation."--Alice Walker

I stopped combing my mind so my thoughts could lock--Saul Williams

i'm an okayoungin.

>Scary part is, who I see girls that age shopping with them the most? Mothers. Moms are knowingly buying their daughters this stuff a lot of the time. That's the problem, parents thinking: oh, it's just a phase, kids will be kids, she's just rebeling, all this sex talk is just talk, they don't actually do anything . . . Right? . . .

Yes, these mothers are pathetic. I used to work w/ three women who's kids went to private schools in Beverly Hills/Bel Aire, etc. One day I overheard them talking ('watercooler' talk) and one of 'em saying how she sold her Honda and bought a Mercedes because her son was embarrassed to be seen getting out of her car every morning. She said she HAD to buy it (the Mercedes), as if he was gonna end up w/ some serious psychological issues in the longrun if she didn't. And the other two women (I worked w/) were all in total agreement with her, commending her for being a good mother and ish. Another lady takes her 12 yr old daughter to get full leg and bikini waxes! Wtf??!!! I've seen this kid, she aint that hairy. She's your typical scrawny lil 12 year old. Hell, I can't even take a FULL leg wax (PAIN). Nuts, I tell ya.

>I remember reading that some lingerie
>company is starting to make
>thongs & she-thru undies in
>sizes that will fit girls
>8-12 yrs old.

That should be more surprising than it is. You remember the beginning of the video for Thong Song, right? "Daddy what's a thong?" And then Sisqo starts talking about this song is to let you know what guys talk about. Thanks for giving those young ladies insight into what us men really care about, Sisqo. I'm sure it'll help them to get their priorities straight.

i'm so with you.


you don't even know.

fuck those shirts

a lil tee that said "queen" or *"strong woman of substance" wouldn't do the trick. sumthin about little tees and their shallow associations and disrespectful connotations with breasts

but those pink rhinestone princess shirts always hit like a slap in the face

i read a book called the beauty myth that talked about as women move up in the chain their image of self becomes increasingly lower and their beauty burden grows. good book.

like dr barbie in that damned mini skirt. look i can treat patients and STILL look cute.


==**peace**==

"The logic of divide and rule is still valid today." Capleton

DomePoem Poets; Vibe Nation; One ppl under the spoken word

Thats what I saw yesterday and a lot more worse " I love shagging" pritned four times. Maybe you ppl don't see these things in America but the U.K. is full of them and their best customers are teenage girls who think it's funny

>sumthin
>about little tees and their
>shallow associations and disrespectful connotations
>with breasts

you mean like "okayplayer?"

(just kidding, don't get worked up!!!)


...still cooler than a polar bear's toenails!

aim: espkjones

Pretty soon they're gonna have shirts that say "Whore" and "Slut"... and i'm sure there will be some stupid females wearin'em. Idiots make me sick!!


If your're fabulous and you know it clap your hands. :-)

Sorry they all ready out there. (Sluts) I have seen a few pwt's and hillbillys with them on and strecth tightly across their chest.

Also so on the news two weeks ago, family dollar sold shirts with 1-900 message accross the front, something like 1-900 hotNsexy, and it turned out it was a real phone sex service

:o :o :o :o

It was size for preteens and young teenagers

sick sick
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all this positive thought and talk is why i do not understand all the indifference towards artists like India Arie , who wears TSHIRTS that say 'love yourself'
i mean , do people want to hear it , or not ?

hmmmm.
here in norway t-shirts with "pornstar" written on em were sensured.
sensured meaning people under the age of sixteen weren't allowed to buy them.

I was in Italy, coming out of church on SUnday from St. Peters, and low and behold a girl sporting a t-shirt with the play boy bunny comes up the stairs into one of the most sacred churches in the Catholic religion.



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>I was in Italy, coming out of church on Sunday from
>St. Peters, and low and behold a girl sporting a t-shirt with >the play boy bunny comes up the stairs into one of the most >sacred churches in the Catholic religion.

That's such a wonderful image. I hope the attending priest took note. And I hope he brought it to the Pope's attention. Cause it's a symptom that shouldn't be swept under the rug. And if there's any Pope capable of addressing that issue -- it would be John Paul II.

Not like money is gonna change anything, but he has demostrated an ability to modernize the church. If that is at all possible.


---I'm here---

Common asks:

Cause you answer the phone "Peace," does that mean that you not a freak?

are just tacky as all hell.

Death to the marketing genius who thought that up.

Between hits on the crack pipe: "What can we put out that would degrade women and make them feel good about it?"

==
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i'm on the bus.

this girl about twelve years old gets on the bus.

the shirt was magenta and said NAUGHTY.

i hope that she is too busy trying to get A's in school to be NAUGHTY.

i was fuming on the inside.

whatever happened to teaching our young women how to be/act/talk/work/play nice?


ps--this whole post is teaching me that i am more of a feminist than i thought. that's all good.

-loryn

"I love this land. I'm not crazy about the nation."--Alice Walker

I stopped combing my mind so my thoughts could lock--Saul Williams

SPRING 2002--LORYN'S PRODUCTION OF NTOZAKE SHANGE'S SPELL #7....IT'S COMING.

i'm an okayoungin.

...the girl had to be at least 10....and it said

BAD GIRL.

and her mother (who didn't seem all there) was right there with her.

why?

i know this one girl (i think she's 16 now) whose mother would drive her to guys' house so that the girl could have sex with them.

the mother claimed that it was so that her daughter could feel beautiful...she suffered and still suffers with low self esteem.

she already is beautiful....she has pretty ebony skin, full lips--but she tries to run away from her natural beauty by wearing blue contacts and weaves.

oh yeah, and she dances on soul train.

and her mom says it's so that the girl can start her singing career.

there are other ways.

it's called writing songs.

it's called singing in church and/or school choirs.

it's called savin up money and making a demo.

it's called shopping your demo.

it's called majoring in music in college.

i mean come on now. it's real sad when the mothers are teaching their girls how to act like this.

again, whatever happened to teaching our girls how to be REAL WOMEN?

-loryn

Yeah i was at 6 flags friday and I saw a new one.
This 10 year old girl had a black shirt in silver fake-ass rhinestone that said:
SPOILED


I laughed my ass of when I saw that. I don't know if her parents bought that or what, to show how much money they make so they can spoil there child.
----------------------------------------
I am my own person, I fit no stereotypes, I am a demographic of one.

On the T-Shirts:
Death to the marketing genius who thought that up.
Between hits on the crack pipe: "What can we put out that would degrade women and make them feel good about it?"
-Battousai

He Looks hurt pretty bad.......... Let's Get out of Here!
-Lenny & Carl

the other day..


I'm gonna make one that says "BLACK REVOLUTIONARY"...see if that makes em cringe..


word bond....and shit.
______________________________________
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I should make one that says

NEOFEMINIST

in big magenta letters.

-loryn

"I love this land. I'm not crazy about the nation."--Alice Walker

I stopped combing my mind so my thoughts could lock--Saul Williams

SPRING 2002--LORYN'S PRODUCTION OF NTOZAKE SHANGE'S SPELL #7...IT'S COMING.

i'm an okayoungin.