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12162, not Genocide, just war
Posted by abduhu, Wed Jul-25-01 03:55 AM
>Now, you'll notice he didn't mention
>all the people being slaughtered,
>raped, sold into slavery, etc.
> But at least he
>wasn't making excuses for the
>evil government.

how is the government evil? for trying to establish an islamic state? there is nothing evil about that.

>Random thought:
>When was the last jihad
>that actually corresponded to Qu'ranic
>ideals? Maybe Palestinians, right?
> Really though? With
>all the suicide bombings?

starting from the present backwards: palestine, kashmir, sudan, philipines, chechnya, macedonia, albania, bosnia, afghanistan, etc, etc, etc..............

jihad itself is a "Qur'anic ideal". the actions WITHIN THE JIHAD might NOT ALL BE "Qur'anic ideals", but that varies with each of the above mentioned.

as far as those suicide bombs go...............do you think that they would resort to that if they had another alternative? ya think david would have used a slingshot on goliath if he had a .45? they are doing the bst they can w/ what they have. may Allah help them.

and if you are referring to the victims of the "suicide bombs", those innocent bystandards, then look to the victims of f-16 dropped bombs, or helicopter released bombs, etc............how many a innocent bystandard was killed by those methods as opposed to a "suicide bomb"?

>Anyway, I was watching something on
>TV this morning about Sudan.
> Yes, it was Christian,
>so anyone is free to
>call it biased (they're also
>free to be cold-hearted losers
>more concerned with politics than

no doubt it was on b.e.t. the show where you cant even hear the the slightest sound of the natives talking, but you can hear the overdub of the translation! never really know what that dinka woman was saying..............

the fact of the matter is that it is biased. . -> _ !

and by the way, wouldnt you rather be a "cold-hearted losers more concerned with politics than lives" than a hypocrite that pretends they are more concerned about lives than anything, but the ONLY LIVES THEY ARE CONCERNED WITH ARE THOSE OF THEIR OWN FAITH, FORGET THE REST OF EM? at least the cold hearted loser's position is clear! the others are so wishy washy, no one really knows what they are up to!

Now, this will
>sound bad, but I started
>to think of the Nation
>of Islam's identification of the
>white man as the devil.

note: although i am not in the nation of islam, nor do i share ALL OF THER BELIEFS, i have to say that what they meant is not something of a present nature. they meant it as "as long as they have existed, they (whites) have been doing evil and the devils work". of course, i dont agree with this at all, but i will say that they have been responsible for a WHOLE LOTTA CRAP THATS JACKED UP IN THE WORLD, RIGHT NOW.

> I was almost, note
>ALMOST, like, "Sudanese Arabs are
>devils." Here's what I
>would have meant had I
>allowed myself to complete that

>We know damn well every white
>person can't be evil.
>As many a white person
>will even admit, the title
>devil can apply if you
>consider that the white man,
>as a generalized character, has
>done the work of a
>devil. Now, it hurt
>me to even write those
>four offensive words in the
>last paragraph, but the government
>and the army and people
>supporting the jihad against the
>south are doing the work
>of devils.

WAR IS WAR. thats it. there is nothing good about war. however, ALL the actions that happen during war cannot be universalized as evil. some, but not all. an then, that depends on whether or not "x,y,z" is really happening or not and why.

have you noticed that i havent said anything personally myself about the sudanese war. why? b/c i dont know. it would be silly for me, in fact even sinful, to tell someone something about it and not really know.

as far as the war is concerned, i personally trust the muslims to report it. as they have no reason to lie w/ their reports. they are not going to gain any more outside support than they already have. in fact, they are constantly gaining enemies in the world, who wishh only to sit on their asses, and let biased reports be the main staple of their diet of hatred for the sudan govt. so what would be the purpose about lying about what is going on?

The Glorious Qur'an - Surah 6, Al-An'am:

75. So also did We show Abraham the power and the laws of the heavens and the earth, that he might (with understanding) have certitude.
76. When the night covered him over, He saw a star: He said: "This is my Lord." But when it set, He said: "I love not those that set."
77. When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: "This is my Lord." But when the moon set, He said: "unless my Lord guide me, I shall surely be among those who go astray."
78. When he saw the sun rising in splendour, he said: "This is my Lord; this is the greatest (of all)." But when the sun set, he said: "O my people! I am indeed free from your (guilt) of giving partners to Allah.
79. "For me, I have set my face, firmly and truly, towards Him Who created the heavens and the earth, and never shall I give partners to Allah."

the biography of Prophet Muhammad (saws):

subhaanakallahumma (Glory be to you, Oh Allah), wabihamdika (and I praise You). ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta (I bear witness that none has the right to be worshipped except You). astaghfiruka (I seek Your forgiveness), wa attuubu ilaika (and I turn to You in Repentance).