>you know, if you had just
>phrased yourself from the beginning
>with words like "white mass
>conciousness" or "western mass conciousness"

the little part that is allotted to type your topic allows only 25 chars (i think) which is deceiving b/c the space appears much larger.

>i think ppl would of
>looked at your points and
>been more likely to think,
>"this girl has some interesting
>things to say."

no they wouldn't have. they would say "there is no such thing as a white mass consciousness." as they've said AFTER they knew what i was talking about.
Also, i don't know if u saw the Pssst post but in there i say
"I'm a woman"
not
"I'm a girl"

>i'm sure
>you know that tho, and
>have your reasons. i won't
>say it hasn't been a
>good discussion.
>
>about garvey:
>
>"look @ the history of Marcus
>Garvey's movement and how it
>"died" and u'll find your
>answer."
>
>maybe i'm dumb, but i don't
>see much of an answer.
>didn't he go bankrupt? the
>black star line cuz of
>the recession and shit? and
>so losing all this money
>didn't he say some not
>so smart things to some
>honkkky white senators? it couldn't
>be just cuz of money,
>or could it?

go 'head look @ it.
"I'm not sayin' nothin'!" (c) Fertile Ground


>"also i mentioned somewhere in here
>that anyone brought up in
>the "white" way who is
>incapable of seeing that it
>is just that, "a" way
>and not _the_ way and
>not _their_ way will exhibit
>the same characteristics, HOWEVER it
>must be realized that this
>is not necessarily a part
>of said ppl's collective consciousness."
>
>
>agreed.
>
>"the best thing u could do
>IMO is just recognize that
>the consciousness exists, see what
>it is and if it
>truly disturbs u, try and
>change it in yourself and
>your progeny. i don't know
>if it's doable to change
>the consciousness on a mass
>level. but u will certainly
>have more luck than i,
>the mere mention of "white
>ppl" out of my mouth
>makes me racist, u however,
>ppl might be more willing
>to listen to u. and
>encourage white ppl, not to
>be fearful, if they can
>remove this fear from themselves,
>then their dealings w/ others
>will be a whole lot
>better."
>
>believe me i know about all
>the bullshit this mass white
>conciousness has tried to feed
>me and i try every
>single day to contribute to
>changing the bullshit around me.
>as far as you mentioning
>"white people", honey, you can.

_please_ don't call me honey. but thanks for the permission (?)

>so you got a little
>blasted up in here and
>some ignorant f*cks just wrote
>you off as a racist.
>but really, tell me when
>white folks up in here
>say bad sh!t about black
>ppl?

see that's the prob, ppl c what i wrote and generally when blk ppl say "white ppl" as blk ppl saying bad stuff about white ppl.
so i will say to u, if HotThyng hits me upside the head and i say HotThyng you hit me upside the head, am i "saying bad stuff" about him? or am i telling the truth? it seems to me that anytime someone speaks truth about white ppl they say stuff like what u say, but it's not about saying "bad stuff" like i'm trying to be mean, i'm pointing out something that is true. but since u bring it up, what is some of the "bad stuff" that whites around here would like to say about blk pl that they aren't?


they don't, as far
>as i can tell. most
>of the whities in here
>are more into black culture
>then they are into white
>cuz they see something in
>it that their own is
>severely lacking.

that's interesting... but what does it mean in the long run, for everyone?

maybe i should
>speak only for myself, i
>don't know, but that's what
>i see. i think me
>and you are probably more
>like-minded than not. why should
>we divide along our respective
>racial lines?

the division is there, it was there b4 me it will be there after me. b/c:
we (humans)
are
not
all
the
same.
this reminds of ppl accusing others of being divisive, or splitting america across racial lines as if the split isn't there already.

>i mean, what
>are doing here but tryin
>to make one another understand,
>overstand, so we could come
>together to change the system
>and its values?

it's your system tho' not mine, if the _values_ will change that has to come from u. i feel that the values stem from the consciousness. if u can change that then more power to u, recognizing that it's there tho' is a 1st step.

>that's where
>i'm comin from, hope its
>where you're comin from too.
>
>
>peace,
>
>sundae

ok sundae.

Shemhotep
************
"Be not arrogant because of your knowledge. Take counsel with the ignorant as well as with the wise. For the limits of knowledge in any field have never been set and no one has ever reached them. Wisdom is rarer than emeralds, and yet it is found among the women who gather at the grindstones."
-The Book of Ptahhotep(excerpt)