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10562, RE: Read
Posted by kemetian, Mon Oct-15-01 09:33 AM
Yimhotep
>Okay, basically I see oppression through
>a socio-economic standpoint. The
>reason from what I have
>seen and can gather by
>looking at society is that
>once slavery ended,

reason number 0 - that slavery happened at all. but u have to look @ all the fx of slavery, it's not just as simple as that.
and "pissed off"? i'm pissed off b/c of recklss driving, i'm pissed off when i get a lower grade than i think i deserved, but uh, slavery and all of the other reasons u gave? no, i'm not "pissed off" b/c of those.

>blacks were
>still discriminated against and left
>in a lower level of
>society to fend for themselves.
> This is an adequate
>reason to be pissed off
>and feel disadvantaged.

ya think?

>That
>cycle continues because many areas
>have high drug and gang
>violence putting them at a
>further disadvantage. Reason number
>two to be pissed off.
>Also, this being one of
>the main problems as I
>see it, education in the
>lower level socio-economic class (black,
>white hispanic, whatever) is extremely
>lower in quality than those
>in the higher socio-economic class
>(predominately white), and nothing is
>really being done to change
>this. Reason number 3
>to be pissed off.
>However, how can you generalize
>and assume that all white
>people are at an advantage?

it is not an assumption. white ppl collectively r at an advantage.
But u don't have to take my word for it (c) Reading Rainbow Host
they're plenty of books u can read. try some preliminary googling: "white privelege"

it doesn't matter that one of u has to eat out of a garbage can. compare the numbers of blk ppl who do this to white. and it's not as simple as that either, we are talking about the psychological destruction of a ppl, not just giving them a lot of hard work to do. we are talking about lynchings, have u seen the pictures? what ppl seem to forget is that lynchings didn't happen that long ago. The smiling little white kids who used to go w/ their parents to watch this barbarism are still here as are those who spat on and attacked ppl during integration, bussing etc. and they're not all members of the KKK. so even if u don't want to look at slavery, there's plenty to look @ after the period.

> That we are all
>scared?

white collective consciousness is one rooted in fear ( i posit) if u have a better explanation for the behavior put it out there.

>That we all
>have white guilt? How
>is that right? When
>was the last time you
>lived out of your car
>and worked a full time
>job while going to school
>full time and ate out
>of Taco Bell dumpsters to
>stay alive to get a
>college education?

u made it far.

>I can
>tell you when the last
>time I had to do
>that was. If you
>want to address issues that
>oppress a race of people,
>or races of people (to
>actually be more fair about
>it) then do so, and
>instead of just bitching, why
>not come up with ways
>to change it.

1st things 1st, ppl have to understand that a problem exists at all. they have to find out what it stems from and deal w/ it there.

>If
>hip-hop is truly going to
>be an evolution, then make
>it one.

an evolution of what?
where exactly does hip hop fit in?

>Where have
>all the good leaders gone?
> Martin Luther King Jr.,
>Malcom X in his later
>years.

i _know_ u r not seriously asking this question. u don't know what happened to them and Lumumba and Walter Rodney and Cheik Anta Diop for that matter?

Look at what
>we have now, Farrakhan, I
>think the guy has some
>great ideas and speaks truth
>in a lot of ways,
>but he usually has some
>racist overtones to his stuff,


what exactly has he said that makes u _personally_ think he has "racist overtones"? what are those (racist overtones) exactly?


Shemhotep
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"Be not arrogant because of your knowledge. Take counsel with the ignorant as well as with the wise. For the limits of knowledge in any field have never been set and no one has ever reached them. Wisdom is rarer than emeralds, and yet it is found among the women who gather at the grindstones."
-The Book of Ptahhotep(excerpt)