4-1

QB Rating over 100

1 int in 5 games

We still got along way to go but admit it, you didn't think you would ever see what you've seen through 5 games. I've taken shit on this board for 3 years telling y'all dude does not suck and coaching was the issue. Now in the end he may not ever live up to the #1 over all, and Im sure some bumpy roads lay ahead... but the "Alex Sucks" shit is done.

Sing was shut out vs the Bucs with basically the same team that just dropped 48.

Time to man up and admit coaching mattered more than you thought.

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let alone 5

so let's not drag this out any longer than we have to... it's clear the guy hasn't been a coach killer as much as he's been the victim of QB killers.

We can debate how good he is or how good he may end up being... but he clearly can play QB in this league.
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I will gladly take an L if they make the playoffs. Otherwise Alex is still a bust.

still making excuses while your eyes are calling you a liar
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If you check your own posts I've wished dude would do well in past years. However, he didn't. It's great that he's looking like a competent starter for the first time in seven seasons.

He's a less talented Jason Campbell. JC has had multiple coordinators and injuries. His team shipped him out.

Just to reiterate, it's impossible to lose because Alex Smith is having a good season with 6+ seasons of starts under his belt.

Did someone else hack into your account and post this?

"I will gladly take an L if they make the playoffs. Otherwise Alex is still a bust."
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Needless to say i am glad as fuck. 4-1 we non division wins.... got damn. And i am about to win a bet on Carlos rodgers picks. We looking good OldPro.

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As his OC.

As you said, he may never live up to being the number one pick and his isn't as good as Rodgers but he can play in this league. The revolving coaching and OC door hurt him. It wasn't as if the Niners or Alex have worked with a competent OC since Norv left.

Hiring Harbaugh has been the best thing for Smith.

but he seems so hapless as a head coach?

No Offense because i do like the Eagles for the most part, but he is detached from entire sides of their organization. Jim Johnson spent the last years of his life masking Andy's defensive defects and now they are exposed on that front. San Diego has the same problem. Thats why Manusky was a good hire for them.

>No Offense because i do like the Eagles for the most part,
>but he is detached from entire sides of their organization.
>Jim Johnson spent the last years of his life masking Andy's
>defensive defects and now they are exposed on that front. San
>Diego has the same problem. Thats why Manusky was a good hire
>for them.

I've watched the Chargers become the Eagles West over the last few years... and if they don't make a change they'll waste Phillip Rivers in his best years like Andy did McNabb

>Sing was shut out vs the Bucs with basically the same team
>that just dropped 48.

I think y'all are kind of like the Jets in that your OC was holding y'all back for a long while

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People were talking about your time like we beat a
bunch of scrubs. Lotta Eagles' fans were talking shit
too so I'm glad you guys bit them in the ass last
week lol.

I know I sound like a broken record on this subject but I just don't get why people make assumptions based on last year and the first couple weeks of the season. All I heard after the 49er win over Seattle was how the Seahawks were one of the worst teams in football. Same thing after the Cincinnati win. Now I wouldn't call either team a real playoff threat but it's pretty clear after 5 weeks neither is as bad as people tried to make them out to be. Of course some 49er fans will do the same thing by jumping the gun calling Super Bowl... but most of us understand just being respectable right now is a huge step in the right direction for this franchise.

But yeah people need to fall back and stop making such definitive statements before the understand what they're looking at.
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>4-1
>
>QB Rating over 100
>
>1 int in 5 games
>
>We still got along way to go but admit it, you didn't think
>you would ever see what you've seen through 5 games. I've
>taken shit on this board for 3 years telling y'all dude does
>not suck and coaching was the issue. Now in the end he may not
>ever live up to the #1 over all, and Im sure some bumpy roads
>lay ahead... but the "Alex Sucks" shit is done.
>
>Sing was shut out vs the Bucs with basically the same team
>that just dropped 48.
>
>Time to man up and admit coaching mattered more than you
>thought.

but i know these dick bandits will be out in alex's FIRST bad game, even if its against sick Ds like Detroit or Baltimore, and try to nullify everything else up to that point. It's coming though, it's definitely coming.

my yet to be rebutted argument to all the "alex smith is trash shit" is "tell me a quarterback who's been succesful who's had 5 or 6 different offensive coordinators over the first 6 years of his career"
motherfuckas CAN'T SAY SHIT cause they know the situation doesn't exist.

on a somewhat parallel note, it's funny that another QB who had similar instability on his team, Jason Campbell, has done pretty well out in Oakland. for the record, I think he would have been better than anything the Redskins have lined up behind center SINCE he left. Shanahan was comfortable starting the season with him, Danny Boy brought in McNabb.

he's the same mediocre QB he's always been.

>he's the same mediocre QB he's always been.
bullshit. he's being allowed to make THROWS and while making bad ones, is also making good ones, good ones that have directly led to Raider wins.

he didn't have the confidence or support of the coaching staff at any particular point in Washington. He looks much different in Oakland in terms of confidence alone.

Washington
2008: 84.3 QB rating / 62.3 completion percentage / 203 pass YPG / 13 TD / 6 INT
2009: 86.4 QB rating / 64.5 completion percentage / 226 pass YPG / 20 TD / 15 INT

Oakland
2010: 84.5 QB rating / 59.0 completion percentage / 184 pass YPG / 13 TD / 8 INT
2011: 84.3 QB rating / 60.2 completion percentage / 223 pass YPG / 6 TD / 4 INT

Dude is mediocre as shit, bottom third starter in the league without any viable argument otherwise.

And while we're at it, Alex Smith is mediocre as well, he's just got a good coach at the moment but ultimately all it will earn him at best is a division title in the league's worst division & a first-round road L in a Wild Card game while they try to figure out a real solution.

>And while we're at it, Alex Smith is mediocre as well, he's
>just got a good coach at the moment but ultimately all it will
>earn him at best is a division title in the league's worst
>division & a first-round road L in a Wild Card game while they
>try to figure out a real solution.

The Smith Sucks crowd needs to study this post right here.... this is your new battle cry.
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first time I saw him play live in '04 at Candlestick I was impressed with his size/mobility & thought he might have a future.

I've come to realize he's probably just a guy.

Harbaugh's a good coach, Sing sucked, long-term Alex Smith ain't the quarterback of a good team.

It's whatever to me but if you wanna rally behind him because you're 4-1 have at it.

I've seen two Niners games this year, Dallas & Philly.

At no point did I think, 'boy that Alex Smith is a difference-maker heading towards elite status!'

I simply thought to myself, 'Harbaugh is already doing a nice job of working with the limitations of his roster here' & 'goddamn the Eagles defense is sorry'.

I'm pointing out your take on Smith is a reasonable take on his bottom level... those wanting to compare him to the rest of the all time busts need to just admit they were wrong and adopt you're line of thinking to feed their hate.

Bottom ine is the bar has moved... to act like it hadn't is to look like a total dumbass.
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>I'm pointing out your take on Smith is a reasonable take on
>his bottom level... those wanting to compare him to the rest
>of the all time busts need to just admit they were wrong and
>adopt you're line of thinking to feed their hate.
>
>Bottom ine is the bar has moved... to act like it hadn't is to
>look like a total dumbass.
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Anybody that has actually watched him over the past season and a half can't deny that the growth from Week 1 2010.

would you guys rather have a young qb like bradford or colt mccoy?



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>would you guys rather have a young qb like bradford or colt
>mccoy?

This post is for all the people that were lumping Alex Smith with the Ryan Leafs and JaMarcus Russells of the world.

But I'll answer your question I'd rather have Smith than Colt McCoy... clearly Harbaugh does too since he could have drafted McCoy if he wanted him.

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>> clearly Harbaugh does too since he could have drafted
>McCoy if he wanted him.
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And wasn't all that good last year
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He's got NOTHING to work with. Receivers who can't get away from anyone (I mean, his no. 1 and no. 2 receivers are a guy whose had like 5 knee surgeries and is due for another and Mike Sims-Walker), an expensive yet shitty Oline that has him on pace to get sacked 77 times and an OC who dials up plays requiring exactly what they don't have...receivers that can get downfield and make a play and a clean pocket. They're gonna mess around and turn him into Marc Bulgier.

>He's got NOTHING to work with. Receivers who can't get away
>from anyone (I mean, his no. 1 and no. 2 receivers are a guy
>whose had like 5 knee surgeries and is due for another and
>Mike Sims-Walker), an expensive yet shitty Oline that has him
>on pace to get sacked 77 times and an OC who dials up plays
>requiring exactly what they don't have...receivers that can
>get downfield and make a play and a clean pocket.

you just described dude's first 4-5 years
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I realized he needed to go last year but SF is housin' teams with basically the same personnel. Even the defense, Sing's specialty, looks better this year.

Alex Smith must be enjoying this moment because a lot of people have been hating on him since he was drafted. If nothing else, the season to date has proven the last few years were not all his fault.

they killed it.

This isn't an Alex Smith is the next joe Montana or Tom Brady post... it's not even a post declaring him a pro bowl caliber QB.... this is about the death of the idea the guy doesn't even belong on an NFL field. I've spent 3 years trying to tell people he's the best QB on our roster... and was ridiculed for even saying that.

I have no idea just how much Harbaugh can reverse and draw out of him... but he's already brought more out than a lot of these cats ever would admit was there.
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at times, posed and in control. you guys got the talent and it might just be coming together.

yeah Sing was stuck in a time warp as a Coach and it showed. 49ers right about now are either 2nd or 3rd best team in the whole NFC Behind only really Green Bay when you get right down to it IMO.

49ers are a bit more complete than the Saints thoug Breezy is dangerous.

nothing in the NFC east is seeing you guys now.

the rest of the NFC west is wack and weak.

Lions, might be a threat. can't say on the Bears.

49ers are putting it together. Alex Smith is good and steady now. coaches do matter.

>49ers right about now are either 2nd or 3rd best team in the
>whole NFC Behind only really Green Bay when you get right down
>to it IMO.
>
>49ers are a bit more complete than the Saints thoug Breezy is
>dangerous.
>
>nothing in the NFC east is seeing you guys now.
>
>the rest of the NFC west is wack and weak.
>
>Lions, might be a threat. can't say on the Bears.

We'll see about the Lions... my hunch right now is they're a year ahead of the 9ers. The Bears I think we can handle.

I see the 49ers at about #4 in the NFC right now .... of course this all can and most likely will change.


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with better coaching win that game and the saints ride on alot of stunt and gimmicks especially on defense and sometimes as much as I dig Breezy he gets into Favresque behavior with throwing the ball, i think you guys match up well against the Saints personally because the Saints make every game it seems an adventure and that defense alone gives you a chance.

I'd still be nervous against those pass happy type teams
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I always thought he had potential, but i thought coaching had ruined him forever.

i saw him have some good showings against Seattle (i'm 'Hawks fan born and raised), but I also saw Mike Nolan subject him to one of the fiercest beatings i've ever seen a quarterback take. Nolan ran Alex out against the Seahawks with a separated shoulder, and let him take ungodly amounts of punishment, because he was trying to save his job. I'm being dead serious when i say this - that was the only game i can remember where i was hoping we'd stop hitting a QB. I was flinching in pain with every shot.

I thought between that and the bumblef**k Singletary era, that Alex was ruined. The fact that he had any confidence left for Harbaugh to tap into is amazing.

>I always thought he had potential, but i thought coaching had
>ruined him forever.
>
>i saw him have some good showings against Seattle (i'm 'Hawks
>fan born and raised), but I also saw Mike Nolan subject him to
>one of the fiercest beatings i've ever seen a quarterback
>take. Nolan ran Alex out against the Seahawks with a
>separated shoulder, and let him take ungodly amounts of
>punishment, because he was trying to save his job. I'm being
>dead serious when i say this - that was the only game i can
>remember where i was hoping we'd stop hitting a QB. I was
>flinching in pain with every shot.

Because Smith's problems have been far more than just having a new OC every year.... dude has had two of the worst head coaches we've seen in the league in a long while... and Sing was historically bad. Had Norv stayed and acted as a buffer Smith's career might have been much different... but the reality is Smith may have had the worst situation that any #1 over all has ever been dropped into.

>I thought between that and the bumblef**k Singletary era, that
>Alex was ruined. The fact that he had any confidence left for
>Harbaugh to tap into is amazing.

The one thing Alex developed through all this is his mental toughness (physical as well). The guy has never quit or even pointed fingers... god knows if anyone has had the right to he did. It's the thing I've admired him most for and makes any success he has moving forward well deserved.
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>I always thought he had potential, but i thought coaching had
>ruined him forever.
>
>i saw him have some good showings against Seattle (i'm 'Hawks
>fan born and raised), but I also saw Mike Nolan subject him to
>one of the fiercest beatings i've ever seen a quarterback
>take. Nolan ran Alex out against the Seahawks with a
>separated shoulder, and let him take ungodly amounts of
>punishment, because he was trying to save his job. I'm being
>dead serious when i say this - that was the only game i can
>remember where i was hoping we'd stop hitting a QB. I was
>flinching in pain with every shot.
I didn't remember specific games but I know that serious beef arose between Smith and Nolan because Nolan let the insinuation out that Alex was soft and supposedly wasn't playing when he could have. It was about the only time I ever heard a peep out of Alex, and for good reason, because it undermined his credibility with his teammates. Very bitchmade of Nolan, basically stabbing the dude he brought onto the team as a method of self-preservation. seriously, I think by the time Sing came along, Alex was numb to a lot of the shit. By that time at least, I think his teammates realized what was going on.


>I thought between that and the bumblef**k Singletary era, that
>Alex was ruined. The fact that he had any confidence left for
>Harbaugh to tap into is amazing.

Rocky Bernard crunched him in the first game they played - Nolan rushed him back, and called him a pu$$y, to try and save his own job, basically. Then in the second game they played - 3 or 4 weeks later, Nolan let Alex take an ungodly amount of abuse.

I probably would have quit football if I was Alex.

We'll see how long his resurgence lasts, but he's in much better hands at least.

and i'm not even talking about the game itself. his post-game pressers was a deflection fest. at least sing took some accountability for losing. after nolan got canned, i remember one of the local beat writers saying that everything that came out of nolan's mouth was contrived to save face for week after week of L's and the whole pool of reporters knew it.

and like what NFL head coach sticks with JT O'Sullivan for 8 straight weeks?

>and like what NFL head coach sticks with JT O'Sullivan for 8
>straight weeks?

nm

Bottom line Harbaugh still wants Josh Johnson

but yeah, the majority of the "Faithful" have written him off a LONG time ago.

Who knew he could get a fresh start by staying WITH the Niners.

one thing is certain -- the harbaugh/smith relationship is looking as perfect a marriage as it could be four weeks into the season.

i genuinely didn't think alex would be overachieving and be this efficient. if most niner fans say they saw this happening, they're lying.

Hope that puts this into perspective
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im assuming you know what im talking about since your name is old pro and youre posting about alex smith.

if not, disregard this statement or go to the old pro next time youre on the peninsula (palo alto/stanford).

o and go card, eff what you heard.


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I wonder why I wonder why
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So no, I have no idea what you're talking about lol
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although in my defense, i didnt see their schedule.

week / opponent

1 - vs Philadelphia

2 - @ NY Giants

3 - vs Baltimore

4 - vs Washington

5 - Bye

6 - @ Green Bay

7 - @ Dallas

8 - vs New Orleans

when I said Smith could be a legit starting QB?

Oh wait I forgot.... you already have your new excuse ready to go.

smh

if you can't own it then you shouldn't be on these boards popping off... at least have enough respect for yourself not to dig your hole any deeper
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byteam?group=Offense&cat=Passing&conference=NFL&year=season_2011&sort=52&timeframe=

Let us know when he actually has to throw to win a game.

it to the hilt, nothing more.

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A few of your greatest hits


"I'm just lol'ing at the people in here pretending like they have so much talent and would have won so many more games with a different coach."

"Honestly I don't think there's that much separating SF, STL, and SEA."

>Ram fans will be getting a rude awaking next year if the 49ers
>can even bring in a slightly above average coach... enjoy this
>title (if you can even win it this year) because you won't be
>seeing one for a while after this.

Lol, if Sam gets some WR's or if the WR's we have on the roster all get healthy its a WRAP. Keep waiting on Alex Smith to not suck



I think you're a retard, this is the most competitive the Niners have been in 7 years since Mooch left. And that's not to say that Singletary doesn't have any faults but every first time head coach is going to experience some growing pains. Nobody was calling Bill Belichick a genius when he started out with Cleveland.


The Niners have some talented pieces in Gore, Crabtree and Vernon Davis on offense and Willis on defense but they are still quit a few players away from being a serious contender not matter who's coaching.


I could go on and on.... that whole thread is just you talkin out your ass
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about the Niners, its about you hyping Alex Smith when in reality he's not really doing much.

and not even man enough to admit it

Shaun Hill got credit for just winning and now here we are picking apart the stats and opponents of a 4-1 QB with a 100+ passer rating

All the while your boy Sam Bradford is looking more like Alex Smith than Alex Smith.

I'm actually happy you're pushing back on this as it only makes you look more foolish.
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>and not even man enough to admit it

You still haven't told me what I'm wrong about

>Shaun Hill got credit for just winning and now here we are
>picking apart the stats and opponents of a 4-1 QB with a 100+
>passer rating

I didn't give Shaun Hill credit for shit

>All the while your boy Sam Bradford is looking more like Alex
>Smith than Alex Smith.

How about we compare them and the same stage in their respective careers?

>You still haven't told me what I'm wrong about

Is your profession law? If not you missed your calling... because you stay arguing shit I've put right in your face.

Want to try one more time? Fuck it I'm game.

""I'm just lol'ing at the people in here pretending like they have so much talent and would have won so many more games with a different coach.""

The 49ers sit 4-1 (3 1/2 games in front of your Lambs) with practically the same team Sing had. They just beat a Bucs team 48-3 that shut them out last year. The offense that scored 48 points only had one player on the field Sunday that wasn't there in 2010 (Back up RB Kendall Hunter)

Now get out your magic plea coppin 8 ball and tell me how the statement you made hasn't been utterly destroyed.

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>>You still haven't told me what I'm wrong about
>
>Is your profession law? If not you missed your calling...
>because you stay arguing shit I've put right in your face.
>
>Want to try one more time? Fuck it I'm game.
>
>""I'm just lol'ing at the people in here pretending like they
>have so much talent and would have won so many more games with
>a different coach.""
>
>The 49ers sit 4-1 (3 1/2 games in front of your Lambs) with
>practically the same team Sing had. They just beat a Bucs team
>48-3 that shut them out last year. The offense that scored 48
>points only had one player on the field Sunday that wasn't
>there in 2010 (Back up RB Kendall Hunter)
>
>Now get out your magic plea coppin 8 ball and tell me how the
>statement you made hasn't been utterly destroyed.

We're only a little over a quarter of the way through the season, fucktard. If they finish with double digit wins then you'll have something to crow about, until then STFU.

they're your words not mine

one coach gets shut out while the other gets 48 with the basically the same offense (actually the FB Miller is new too)... but that doesn't mean the new coach could have won any more games than Sing did last year... that's basically what you're saying here lol

oh and they won 6 last year.... love how now it has to be double digit wins now for you to be wrong lol

keep doing you man........ the world needs clowns




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you're doing.

>oh and they won 6 last year.... love how now it has to be
>double digit wins now for you to be wrong lol

So what is the bar then? If they end up with 8 wins are you going to consider that a dramatic improvement?

your words are there for everyone to see

now you're just being left to woller in your own slop

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and there's no reason to let you try and distract us from that fact.

If I said 10 wins you'd just move that to a playoff win... if they win a playoff game then it will be getting to a super bowl... it will never end with you.

you're a blowhard that doesn't own his own words plain and simple... which means you're half a man imo. All your homophobia and the rest of that shit makes so much sense now... you need to focus on others to detract from the fact you have zero integrity.

oh and you're pretty dumb when it comes to sports too




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to stand on anything. I asked you a basic question, how many wins would you consider to be a dramatic improvement from last year and you refused to answer.

Yeah, you're 69ers are of to a nice little start but 5 games does not a season make. See the 2009 Denver Broncos.

If you ever decide you actually want to talk about football let me know but if you want to just keep going back and for forth on this hoe shit and avoid discussing FACTS then I probably won't entertain you too much longer.

I can't help you but just holler and I'll find someone to tap that ass the way you secretly fantasize about
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come on man, jus take your L and keep it moving. Even I thought Alex sucked and im a niner fan.

>about the Niners, its about you hyping Alex Smith when in
>reality he's not really doing much.

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bbnMY

Make available all the relevant NFC West quarterbacks in a league-wide draft and Sam Bradford would probably be the first one selected, even with the St. Louis Rams at 0-4.

It is time, however, to re-assess the position within the division.
2011 NFC West QB Play
Team NFL Rating Total QBR
49ers 104.8 53.6
Seahawks 83.1 43.7
Cardinals 73.8 36.5
Rams 69.7 24.8


The San Francisco 49ers and Seattle Seahawks were the teams with unsettled quarterback situations heading into the season. They're also the teams getting the best quarterback play through Week 5.

In fact, the 49ers' Alex Smith emerged from a 48-3 victory over Tampa Bay with the highest single-game Total QBR score of this NFL season, a 98.2 that reflected nearly flawless play.

Removing Smith from the game with nearly a full quarter remaining prevented the 49ers' quarterback from further padding his stat line. But the truly meaningful work was finished when Smith left the game after his third touchdown pass extended the 49ers' lead to 38 points early in the fourth quarter. And because QBR rewards players for production in meaningful situations, discounting stats meaningless to the game's outcome, Smith stood little to gain by that measure anyway.

Smith led the 49ers to touchdowns on their first possessions of each quarter. He completed 6 of 7 passes for 92 yards with five first downs on the 49ers' first three drives. Another one of his passes helped draw a 24-yard penalty for pass interference, setting up first-and-goal from the 1. That play also factored into his QBR score, which beat out performances from Matt Hasselbeck (97.8, Week 4), Aaron Rodgers (96.2, Week 4), Tony Romo (94.6, Week 2) and Jason Campbell (93.3, Week 2) for the top spot in 2011.

Quick thoughts on how NFC West passers graded out as they did by Total QBR in Week 5, with NFL passer ratings in parenthesis as a reference point:
Alex Smith, 49ers (98.2 QBR, 127.2 NFL rating): Smith completed 11 of 19 passes for 170 yards with three touchdowns and no interceptions. He took no sacks. Other quarterbacks have put up far flashier stats this season, so why haven't any exceeded Smith's QBR score for this game? A couple variables were key. QBR determined Smith played a leading role in the 49ers jumping to a huge lead early in the game, pumping up their win probability into the 95 percent range after only a few drives. The fact that Smith was able to produce such spectacular results in a limited time worked in his favor because QBR is a rate statistic, not a cumulative one.
Charlie Whitehurst, Seahawks (61.7 QBR, 100.5 NFL rating): Whitehurst completed 11 of 19 passes for 149 yards with one touchdown, no interceptions and two sacks. Whitehurst threw the winning touchdown pass to Doug Baldwin late in the game. He finished the game with the highest clutch weight average in the league Sunday. That doesn't reflect how he played in the clutch, but rather the fact that he played in more critical situations, on the whole, than any quarterback in the league. That makes sense given that Whitehurst did not enter the game until relative late.
Tarvaris Jackson, Seattle Seahawks (29.9 QBR, 86.6 NFL rating): Jackson completed 15 of 22 passes for 166 yards with one touchdown, one interception and four sacks. The sacks dragged down his QBR. Only Eli Manning, Philip Rivers and Blaine Gabbert fared worse in expected points lost through sacks in Week 5. The negatives were amplified for Jackson because the Seahawks' game was so tightly contested. Had Jackson taken sacks in a blowout, the effect would have been diminished.
Kevin Kolb, Cardinals (5.4 QBR, 46.9 NFL rating): Kolb completed 21 of 42 passes for 232 yards with no touchdowns, two interceptions, four sacks and one lost fumble. QBR has sniffed out Kolb's problems all season, docking him hard for the sacks he takes and turnovers he commits, particularly in critical situations. Only Denver's Kyle Orton finished with a lower QBR this week. Kolb ranks 26th among qualifying NFL players in QBR this season at 37.1, with 50 being average. His minus-22.7 score in the expected points relating to sacks stands as by far the worst in the league. The 49ers' Smith is next at minus-14.2. Even though Kolb's passing numbers outshine those his predecessors posted in 2010, his overall QBR is only slightly better. The team has actually gone backward at the position in terms of the costliness of interceptions and fumbles.

so according to you, despite all the experience he had, he was being hampered by an ever changing offense. then last season, his 6th in the league, he actually had the same OC as the year before, and he still struggled, but you didn't wanna blame him, so you figured you would deflect blame to the coaching staff. very convenient.

the funniest thing is this claim that prior to last year he'd never been in the same system for more than a year is actually false, Nolan promoted his QB coach after Norv Turner left to take the chargers job mainly because he wanted to keep the offense relatively the same and didnt wanna have to implement a totally new system to his young QB.

would Smith even be a Niner if it wasn't for the lockout?

been in the UFL 3 years ago

>would Smith even be a Niner if it wasn't for the lockout?

no, and every niner fan accepts this. i'll own up and say that while i've always liked alex as a person, i wanted a FA vet QB to come in (mcnabb or palmer) at the time. i just felt it was a needed, amicable split for both parties.

however @ 4-1 i'm not complaining. harbaugh, as a great QB mentor, used the cards he was dealt.

our O-line has been one of the league's worst for some time now (look at the link TheTruth posted up and view the ratio of sack to pass attempts and you'll understand why we try to establish the run -- however, the last 2 games show that the passing game has opened up the run game for Gore who was struggling BAD in the beginning of the season). Alex was thrown into the fire and has taken a LOT of abuse because of poor protection ever since he stepped onto the field. despite this, he's posted up a QB rating over 80 the last 2 seasons, which isn't bad considering the shitty play calling during those seasons.

after a shaky start and before the Eagles comeback, it looked like the same old shit play calling and nO-line. all of a sudden, Harbaugh opens up the playbook and the O-line looks like they've finally looking as if they got something going. Alex actually looks poised in the pocket since the season started - poised for the first time EVER in his career. coaches, coordinators, and team morale can change a lot, and winning changes everything.

talk about the million chances he's had and how he wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the lockout, but the few supporters here and the 49er staff obviously see something in him that is worth giving a shot and acknowledge that he hasn't been given the best opportunities to succeed. you can name a bunch of QBs who've been written off similarly, but i bet most of them would've broken down and given up already. this season he's got nothing to lose; he's been through the lowest of lows; he's been planted into the ground by many lineman; he's been boo'ed numerous amount of times by Candlestick; but now his confidence is at a high and he's in a situation where he can succeed and the team and fans believe in him. keep hating if all you want, but i'ma keep rooting for the kid.

so stop trying to play dumb or cloud the issue

we went around and around this in my Mike Singletary post a couple years back (another issue you've been proven wrong on) as well as other 9er threads.

I told you then we really didn't know how good Smith was after being stuck under two narrow-minded defensively oriented coaches who knew nothing about developing QB or game planning for them to have some success. You said none of that mattered and dude just wasn't talented enough to play at this level.

Now the guy is playing under the first real head coach in his career and having his best year to date... it's not a coincidence.

You were wrong

Just man up and own it


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ITS BEEN 5 FUCKIN GAMES!!!

Let me repeat that.

its been 5 fuckin games!!!

I dont care which side of teh argument you're on, thats not enough to erase 6 years of mediocrity.

You can sit here and grandstand all you want after 1/3 of a season, but I have a feeling this post is going to be seeing some daylight you don't want it to see by the end of this year.

Josh Johnson will be there soon enough.

>enough to erase 6 years of mediocrity.

shows why I made this post now.... also it shows you don't understand the post. You just used the word "mediocrity" as a given... cats fought me tooth and nail for saying Alex Smith can at least be a middle of the pack QB with the right coach and system... or as you just put it "Mediocre"

5 games in with a new coach he has the highest passer rating of his career... i wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see it fall some but again that isn't the issue...

Sucks being replaced by Mediocre = Game over

sorry but there is nothing to revisit moving forward

as for you accusing my of grandstanding... I've made me feelings on the 49ers very public over the years. I've followed them since before many of you were born and feel like I have a good handle on the franchise. If people can come in and dismiss my takes as "retarded" then I don't think it's too much to ask they show up and own the shit they said when it becomes clear they didn't know what they were talking about in the first place.


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>ITS BEEN 5 FUCKIN GAMES!!!
you don't get it

>Let me repeat that.
me too

>its been 5 fuckin games!!!
YOU DON'T GET IT. didnt take five games for those who've been WATCHING alex smith play on this team for years to recognize a clear difference. if you ain't watched, then cool but you're ill informed. if you have watched, then you simply don't know football. it's not just about w-l record. every game, even games where he made mistakes, he has looked MARKEDLY different back there. the happy feet are gone, he's protecting the ball even when getting hit, making crazy athletic plays (Twice this season a snap has gotten away from him, he's picked it up on a bounce and made completions or incomplete passes, either way, nullified potential big losses). made a LOT of great throws. no one is saying he's johnny unitas. what is being said is that PERHAPS, just PERHAPS there's something to be said for having a revolving door of coaching staffs, many who didn't know the first thing about offense.

however, the fact that this team hasn't been 4-1 since 2002 and very well COULD (i say should) have been 5-0 says more about how far they've come in such a short time.

>I dont care which side of teh argument you're on, thats not
>enough to erase 6 years of mediocrity.
>
>You can sit here and grandstand all you want after 1/3 of a
>season, but I have a feeling this post is going to be seeing
>some daylight you don't want it to see by the end of this
>year.
he's not grandstanding, he's simply on some "you were saying?" to cats who said alex smith couldn't EVER do shit and that NO coach could fix the problems the team had blah blah blah


>Josh Johnson will be there soon enough.

>he's not grandstanding, he's simply on some "you were saying?"
>to cats who said alex smith couldn't EVER do shit and that NO
>coach could fix the problems the team had blah blah blah

in hopes those that aren't aware of the past debates will come in and help shift the attention away from what they've said in old posts.

You were there for most all of those so you see it for what it is

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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1358303&mesg_id=1358303&listing_type=search#1650662

Looking back over this post I see a few names that really need to make an appearance in here.
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with jambone where he tells me Mike Holmgren sucks & they're better with Singletary.

haven't heard that name in a minute
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>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1358303&mesg_id=1358303&listing_type=search#1650662
>
>Looking back over this post I see a few names that really need
>to make an appearance in here.
godDAMN there are Ls all over that bitch. i wanted to make sure i wasn't talking that too LOL i was safe and had perspective. but a whole bunch of other motherfuckas did NOT.

we shouldn't be surprised though. because all of the people defending sing while bashing alex clearly haven't been watching games so that busted ass analysis goes hand in hand.

still though, tha truth ethers the shit out of himself on numerous occasions

LOL at fucking LBs bringing out the goal post here to talk about "oh if only this QB got so many chances" rather than saying "damn he finally looks like a good QB"

these fools will hold onto wrong as long as their pride lets them.

these are all shit or struggling teams (except for Tampa I guess, I'm not too up on them). Let's revisit this after the next five games.

<--- AFC East, watch out!!!

there's enough of an explanation in here already to have people still posting shit like this

either take the time to figure out the context of the debate or just sit this one out
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cool it maybe? He is having a good season. I am just not impressed all that much because of the schedule. That's just my opinion

>there's enough of an explanation in here already to have
>people still posting shit like this
>
>either take the time to figure out the context of the debate
>or just sit this one out
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<--- AFC East, watch out!!!

the Niners throw the ball less than any other team in the entire NFL. It's not like Smith is out there winning games for them, his job is just to not fuck up. At some point he's going to be forced to do more then we'll really see how far he's come.

and you always seem to have one handy don't you

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view the ratio of sack to pass attempts and you'll understand why we try to establish the run first -- before the last game (in which we received NO SACKS), our offense was one of the top teams to give up sacks. point being made is that our O-line, while better than the O-line of recent memory, still needs a lot of work.

HOWEVER, the last 2 games show that the passing game has opened up the run game for Gore who was struggling BAD in the beginning of the season and that Harbaugh is getting more loose on playcalling. it's Alex's arm along with great defense that got us that huge lead against the Bucs and the running game took over once the box opened - the reason why we only got 19 PAs from Alex. EFFICIENCY.

We can see what cats like truth are about now.. they quick to talk shit but won't man up when it backfires... they just stay making new excuses.

I mean really just look at where we are now... criticizing our QB play because we've ran the ball well lol

There's no winning a reasonable debate with these guys like this... they are what they are.
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Sorry, our defense isn't shit. That's like one of the Klitchko Brothers geting a 3rd round KO victory over a short fat kid in a wheelchair named Cleodore

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If he was drafted late first-round and he started coming around this year, people would be far less critical.

But when you're a first pick, you don't get the luxury of time or multiple coaches before people call you a bust. You're essentially an NFL lotto pick, you should be one of the key cogs helping lead your team to the playoffs/Super Bowl. When you're a #1 pick QB, even more pressure.

Your career is determined on your success regardless of the coaches you have. Until Alex Smith does something in the playoffs, it really doesn't matter what he accomplishes or how much he's improved under a new coach-- the public will continue to view him as "that underachieving #1 pick."

I realize the point of your post is to point out that Smith's development has been held back by shitty coaches, and I'm not denying that. But you can't blame people for continuing to see him as a bust when even San Francisco fans are praising his potential as a middle-of-the-pack-at-best guy.

(As someone praying for Blaine Gabbert, I sympathize deeply with this post, I hope you understand.)

but we had long moved past that and were just arguing the merits of Smith as a QB you could have success with. I've been on record as saying he wasn't worth a #1 over all (I even said that in the Sing post I linked) Cats like LB & Truth know damn well what he deal is but just don't want to admit they overstated their cases.
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when the team was struggling, i said it's hard to evaluate him because he was being held back by a bad quarterback.

secondly, i actually agreed that he deserved to be fired, mainly because he was foolish enough to push all his chips in with Alex Smith, even trading away Shaun Hill, his only legit competition for the starting job.

lol i mean damn where's the loyalty, he wouldn't have been the head coach if it wasn't for him, Hill was the QB who led his team to a winning record the second half of season, which is the only reason Sing's dumb ass ended up getting the job in the first place.

if Truth feels like Sing should have never been fired, then i disagree. he made his bed.

>when the team was struggling, i said it's hard to evaluate
>him because he was being held back by a bad quarterback.
why isn't harbaugh being "held back" by this bad quarterback?


>secondly, i actually agreed that he deserved to be fired,
>mainly because he was foolish enough to push all his chips in
>with Alex Smith, even trading away Shaun Hill, his only legit
>competition for the starting job.
>
>lol i mean damn where's the loyalty, he wouldn't have been the
>head coach if it wasn't for him, Hill was the QB who led his
>team to a winning record the second half of season, which is
>the only reason Sing's dumb ass ended up getting the job in
>the first place.

>if Truth feels like Sing should have never been fired, then i
>disagree. he made his bed.
you guys are playing major fucking avoidance here. OP wasn't talking about Sing, unlike you guys with Smith, he has no personal animus towards Sing, he just wanted him off the team. Nice try to deflect and distract, this is simply about Alex Smith being mismanaged and the less than coincidental occurrence that under defensive coaches (save for one year under Norv Turner as OC) he struggled to be consistent and under five games with a coach who signed and groomed the next Sure Thing at QB has looked worlds different as a player.

why is that so HARD for you fucks to admit? we're not saying its super bowl bound, just that MAN a year made a difference.

>If he was drafted late first-round and he started coming
>around this year, people would be far less critical.
>
>But when you're a first pick, you don't get the luxury of time
>or multiple coaches before people call you a bust. You're
>essentially an NFL lotto pick, you should be one of the key
>cogs helping lead your team to the playoffs/Super Bowl. When
>you're a #1 pick QB, even more pressure.
>
>Your career is determined on your success regardless of the
>coaches you have. Until Alex Smith does something in the
>playoffs, it really doesn't matter what he accomplishes or how
>much he's improved under a new coach-- the public will
>continue to view him as "that underachieving #1 pick."
>
>I realize the point of your post is to point out that Smith's
>development has been held back by shitty coaches, and I'm not
>denying that. But you can't blame people for continuing to see
>him as a bust when even San Francisco fans are praising his
>potential as a middle-of-the-pack-at-best guy.
But here's where the line is drawn between who THINK and actually know what they're talking about and those who just squawk like chickens: How many QB's picked number one have had such flux at the coaching position most essential to him? And further, how many good/great QBs have managed to rise above poorly run and poorly assembled teams? Yeah, we'll be waiting all day for that one. SHIT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

as a fan of a team who was the model for success in the league, when eddie D had to take that up north trip, it got BAD REALLY BAD, DETROIT LIONS BAD for awhile. NOTHING was going to be good and a number one pick at QB wasn't going to be either. You think Joe Montana would have had a snowball's chance in hell if Bill Walsh is replaced with Mike Nolan? FOH.

the team tried to trade down but nobody wanted it. every analyst said that whomever of the two QB's - roders or smith - went first, the other was gonna slide to later in the first round.

it was really a bad year for the first pick, with leinart staying at 'SC. if anything, i wanted braylon edwards to somewhat fill T.O.'s void, and thought there was no upside going from a serviceable, WCO QB in tim rattay to an urban meyer spead-offense rookie in smith.

Leinart had entered the draft. now *that* would've been an all-time, epic bust.

>the team tried to trade down but nobody wanted it. every
>analyst said that whomever of the two QB's - roders or smith -
>went first, the other was gonna slide to later in the first
>round.
>
>it was really a bad year for the first pick, with leinart
>staying at 'SC. if anything, i wanted braylon edwards to
>somewhat fill T.O.'s void, and thought there was no upside
>going from a serviceable, WCO QB in tim rattay to an urban
>meyer spead-offense rookie in smith.
this is something no one talks about. his ass wasn't highly touted, he just happened to be a QB with objectively good skills. but whatever, motherfuckers act like he was supposed to be the next elway.

if he wasn't highly-touted, then HE WOULDN'T HAVE GONE #1.

He wasn't touted as a franchise QB. everyone said it was a bad draft. but he went #1 overall. no matter how bad the draft was, he's still expected to be a good QB before his 6th or 7th fucking year.


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I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

>if he wasn't highly-touted, then HE WOULDN'T HAVE GONE #1.
>
>He wasn't touted as a franchise QB. everyone said it was a bad
>draft. but he went #1 overall. no matter how bad the draft
>was, he's still expected to be a good QB before his 6th or 7th
>fucking year.
>
>
>-----------
>I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

and called bs.

nothing on this board is ever much more than complaining and/or making fun of someone who is in a position to be complaining.

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I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

keep doin your thang, smith. been a classy dude, time to make em all believers. hopefully you keep gettin even more comfortable cuz u were damn near unstoppable this past week.

i'll gladly collect whatever L is coming my way for choosing shaun hill and kyle kolb over smith. Who would've predicted smith would be THIS good five games in...kp the good times rollin

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1809446&mesg_id=1809446&page=1#1822891

and LMFAO @ you copping the ULTIMATE PLEA COP, talking bout his 7 years of experience actually works against him.

>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1809446&mesg_id=1809446&page=1#1822891
>
>and LMFAO @ you copping the ULTIMATE PLEA COP, talking bout
>his 7 years of experience actually works against him.
have a seat in the suck for luck bingo room, as it was your bitchass speaking about how much we needed to get him. the irony of it all is so beautiful.

>have a seat in the suck for luck bingo room, as it was your
>bitchass speaking about how much we needed to get him. the
>irony of it all is so beautiful.

So are you saying you don't need Luck now? You think Harbaugh wouldn't punt Alex Smith in a heartbeat to get a shot at Luck?

>So are you saying you don't need Luck now? You think Harbaugh
>wouldn't punt Alex Smith in a heartbeat to get a shot at
>Luck?

never mind all but 5-6 teams would think about moving their existing QB to make room for dude... how theeeee FUCK did Luck become the topic?

This right here is why I told him the conversation was over... all he's doing is looking for anything to grab onto and change the focus from what he's already said.

If this doesn't show what a bitch-made, goal post moving, clown this guy is nothing ever will


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>>So are you saying you don't need Luck now? You think
>Harbaugh
>>wouldn't punt Alex Smith in a heartbeat to get a shot at
>>Luck?
>
>never mind all but 5-6 teams would think about moving their
>existing QB to make room for dude... how theeeee FUCK did Luck
>become the topic?
>
>This right here is why I told him the conversation was over...
>all he's doing is looking for anything to grab onto and change
>the focus from what he's already said.
>
>If this doesn't show what a bitch-made, goal post moving,
>clown this guy is nothing ever will
these motherfuckers hate on alex smith like he's kobe or something. you never even called him a potential PRO BOWLER, and they're like fucking scared that the universe will cease to exist if he shows improved play.

motherfucking pathetic. will literally cut off their nose and stick it up their ass rather than just acknowledging coaching and organizational structure was severely lacking in san fran.

>motherfucking pathetic. will literally cut off their nose and
>stick it up their ass rather than just acknowledging coaching
>and organizational structure was severely lacking in san
>fran.

If they can't even admit that with all the evidence right in their face, what's the point of ever taking anything they say seriously?
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and once again you saw an opening to try and move the goal posts

it's what you do
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the way you jumped in there just looking for an opening... doesn't change what you did one bit

it's getting hard to tell you two apart any way... both idiots with bad football teams.
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>the way you jumped in there just looking for an opening...
>doesn't change what you did one bit
>
>it's getting hard to tell you two apart any way... both idiots
>with bad football teams.
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who does Truth run with?

That's why I got confused... Seeing Luck's name made me think of that sorry ass win less team.
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because he made specific comments over the past year about luck, and it's funny considering his team's current struggles, especially at the QB position.

so rather than admit how WRONG you are, you're picking up the mantle and arguing on your boy's behalf?

weak

you all just like to rant and rave about nothing, I guess that's what fags do...

>because he made specific comments over the past year about
>luck, and it's funny considering his team's current struggles,
>especially at the QB position.
>
>so rather than admit how WRONG you are, you're picking up the
>mantle and arguing on your boy's behalf?
>
>weak

and you need to check YOUR boy on speaking for you...

69ers.......... like we 69 each other because we're fans of a team from San Francisco.

You're a cleaver one you are

We're so lucky to have you on these boards

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>you all just like to rant and rave about nothing, I guess
>that's what fags do...
>
>>because he made specific comments over the past year about
>>luck, and it's funny considering his team's current
>struggles,
>>especially at the QB position.
>>
>>so rather than admit how WRONG you are, you're picking up
>the
>>mantle and arguing on your boy's behalf?
>>
>>weak
>
>and you need to check YOUR boy on speaking for you...
>
can you ANSWER any? OP and I are FANS of a team but more importantly, we don't talk out of our ass and then act like we didn't.

to answer your question of COURSE you go for Luck. Aside from the can't miss consensus, you're looking at 8 years in the league v. none. what's your point? again you're trying to deflect from the issue because you popped shit and it blew up in your face.

STAY up on that duck hunt

>can you ANSWER any?

I'm all ears

>OP and I are FANS of a team but more
>importantly, we don't talk out of our ass and then act like we
>didn't.

what exactly did I talk out of my ass about?

>to answer your question of COURSE you go for Luck. Aside from
>the can't miss consensus, you're looking at 8 years in the
>league v. none. what's your point? again you're trying to
>deflect from the issue because you popped shit and it blew up
>in your face.

again, what has blown up in my face? Are they handing out SB trophies in week 5 now?

keep going... it won't be long until we'll need a 3peat for you to be wrong
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started off 6-0 then lost 8 of their last 10 games. I'm not necessarily saying that's going to happen to the Niners but week 5 is a little early to be sticking your chest out so far IMO

>
>>can you ANSWER any?
>
>I'm all ears
you said keep waiting on Alex Smith not to suck. HE CLEARLY DOES NOT SUCK THIS YEAR. are you going to admit you were wrong about him sucking? you didn't say game manage, bend don't break, you said SUCK. he may not be prolific. but he does not suck. DO YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT?
does he still suck?

>>
>>>can you ANSWER any?
>>
>>I'm all ears
>you said keep waiting on Alex Smith not to suck. HE CLEARLY
>DOES NOT SUCK THIS YEAR. are you going to admit you were wrong
>about him sucking? you didn't say game manage, bend don't
>break, you said SUCK. he may not be prolific. but he does not
>suck. DO YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT?
>does he still suck?

not through 5 games

your choice

you're not quite at Truth level but you coming close

save yourself before its too late

continue to make excuses and it's going to just get worse
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>your choice
>
>you're not quite at Truth level but you coming close
>
>save yourself before its too late
>
>continue to make excuses and it's going to just get worse

the mufucka ignored the fact that you called him "functional middle of the pack"

DAMN SON YOU HYPED THE SHIT OUT OF HIM!!!

two late 40-somethings sniping each other on a sports msg board...

or the fact that the last time i heard the "69ers" quip i was running through the quad, rocking metal-tipped giorgio brutinis, overalls and a greasy fade trying to get to anatomy class. or if you're looking at a timeline, the beginning of Bush Sr's first term.

>two late 40-somethings sniping each other on a sports msg
>board...

oh and for the record my feelings about truth are more due to his bigotry than his sports takes.


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>oh and for the record my feelings about truth are more due to
>his bigotry than his sports takes.

which I'm sure is why he finds the "69er" tag so appealing
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totally forgot about that. was it the tim hardaway thread?

mainly over in GD
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>or the fact that the last time i heard the "69ers" quip i was
>running through the quad, rocking metal-tipped giorgio
>brutinis, overalls and a greasy fade trying to get to anatomy
>class. or if you're looking at a timeline, the beginning of
>Bush Sr's first term.

69ers is classic... I haven't heard that since the 90s myself really

>69ers is classic... I haven't heard that since the 90s myself
>really


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its the shit talking that preceded this and foolish pride which is making this longer than necessary.

i mean damn even shitty ass Sanchise should lose that label by next year or maybe 2012.

>i mean damn even shitty ass Sanchise should lose that label
>by next year or maybe 2012.
your shit is pathetic dog. this is ten times worse than your "kobe has a better moustache than MJ" efforts. at least there are some subjective aspects of the discussion.

but your WORDS DID NOT QUALIFY IT. sing was held back by a bad QB, alex smith sucks, he's no good etc etc. not "if he's ever good it'll be because of how many years he's had." If someone is not good, they're not going to EVER be good. If they're in a bad system, it may take longer for them to show signs of life. OP was simply trying to get you motherfucks to acknowledge the latter.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byteam?group=Offense&cat=Passing&conference=NFL&year=season_2011&sort=52&timeframe=

now run along little bama
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say you probably won't answer that question either

lol

it's cute you're still looking for new benchmarks and all but you became boring about a dozen posts ago.
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I'm sure you have the "one lucky season" card all ready to go.

I wonder how you would have acted had someone told you Alex Smith would be right behind Rodgers and Brady in the passer ratings after 5 games? I'm sure you would have agreed he could do it for 5 but not a full 16 right... GTFOH man.

just go away dude.... or as I said below, make another post with all your new predictions about Alex Smith.

We're all done here.


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>http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byteam?group=Offense&cat=Passing&conference=NFL&year=season_2011&sort=52&timeframe=


so we have the least passing attempts in the league. great.

still have more yards than 7 other teams, are joe flacco and matt cassel "game managers" too? not that it fucking matters, winning is WINNING.

are middle of the pack in terms of passing touchdowns.

what's your point? oh that's right you just back up LBs since you can't say shit yourself.

All these new questions and measuring sticks they want to throw out are fine.... if we want to reboot and start a whole new discussion.

What I said about this team and Alex Smith's base level is being proven out right before our eyes. I'm not sure how much more we'll get out of either but that's not the point... and they know it.

We could go on and win the Super Bowl with Alex Smith as MVP and I still wouldn't come back in here and up this post on some I Told You So type shit.... because I never said or predicted either. I made a simple statement that Alex wasn't a completely worthless piece of shit QB who has played under two awful head coaches for 6 years (PERIOD)

If they want to make new projections for Alex Smith then maybe they should make a new post and go from there.

But this right here is OVER.
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>All these new questions and measuring sticks they want to
>throw out are fine.... if we want to reboot and start a whole
>new discussion.
of course not, because they were never interested in the prospects of how he'd look with a coach who had a PLAN.

>What I said about this team and Alex Smith's base level is
>being proven out right before our eyes. I'm not sure how much
>more we'll get out of either but that's not the point... and
>they know it.

>We could go on and win the Super Bowl with Alex Smith as MVP
>and I still wouldn't come back in here and up this post on
>some I Told You So type shit.... because I never said or
>predicted either. I made a simple statement that Alex wasn't a
>completely worthless piece of shit QB who has played under two
>awful head coaches for 6 years (PERIOD)
that's the part that had them scrambling. you wouldn't even call him a pro bowler, you just insisted he wasn't the most glaring deficiency on this team.


>If they want to make new projections for Alex Smith then maybe
>they should make a new post and go from there.
this is an exercise in dick banditry. the two of them could release a video really. they don't give a shit about discussions. LBs exposed himself by ONLY posting when the team was ass last year then being quiet as FUCK once the season started this year.


>But this right here is OVER.
Yes it is. I'm done replying to these fools.

no reason to keep going

but I'm sure you will

I can't wait to watch you run in here at the first bump in the road... of course it won't change the fact you said it didn't matter who coached team because it really wasn't all that talented... and laughed at the idea Smith could even be a middle of the pack QB.

You just admitting he's now a "Game Manager" is you calling yourself a liar.

Of course you'll just want to keep arguing... but I understand it's just out of desperation to preserve some sort of credibility. I mean you're a Dolphin fan so what else do you have to do?


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I'm pretty sure I posted it in the season thread when I lost my faith in him...

But I will say I wasn't against them re-signing him in the off season... I felt if Harbough saw something, maybe he could do it... Looks like he did it...


edit: guess I didn't post it in last seasons thread...

28th in passing yards per game

6th highest completion percentage

3rd highest qb rating


kinda makes his former coaches look like dumbasses

if I'm not mistaken, SF hasn't really fallen behind too much, which allows them to play "conservative" for almost the entire game.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/niners-talk/post/Alex-Smith-shows-a-new-side-to-his-game?blockID=576726&feedID=5884

Matt Maiocco

It's all starting to make sense now.

On the day the 49ers selected Alex Smith with the No. 1 overall pick of the 2005 draft, his college coach, Urban Meyer, provided a prescient perspective of the young quarterback.

Six-and-a-half years later, Meyer's words are worth revisiting.

"Alex is an extremely quick learner," Meyer began. "However, he's a guy that, until he understands it, he is nonfunctional. . . . Alex Smith is a person that, once he is taught, has to learn it all. He might struggle early, but once he gets it, he gets it.

"I'm going to be anxious to watch his development with the 49ers. Alex is so careful with the ball. His touchdown-to-interception ratio the last 2 years (at Utah) was phenomenal (47 touchdowns and seven interceptions). That's because, unless he knows exactly what's going on, he won't throw it. He won't just try to guess and take a shot. He has to know."

Meyer concluded, "That's why, early in his career, and early in our career with him at Utah, he was not an effective passer, because he really didn't understand. Once he understood, there was no one better. He learns quickly, though. But he's not a guy that you throw the ball out there and tell him, 'Go play.' He wants to know what is exactly expected of him and then he becomes a dynamite player."

* * *

Alex Smith is coming off a game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, in which he completed 11 of 19 passes for 170 yards with three touchdowns and no interceptions.

But the play that impressed me the most was an incomplete pass he threw in the second quarter. I've watched every snap of Smith's professional career. I've seen him in practice through the years.

What I saw him do Sunday against the Buccaneers was something I'd never seen him do -- ever. With as many changes as Smith has endured in his seven-year career, it looks as if he is finally just going out and playing football.

It was a first-and-10 at the Tampa Bay 45-yard line. Smith dropped into the pocket. He rolled to his left to buy a little extra time. Then, he did something that, seemed almost out of character.

He signaled with his left hand to tight end Delanie Walker to abandon the script and go deep. In six seasons, I've witnessed a mostly robotic, paint-by-numbers quarterback. This is the first time I saw him improvise in such a way.

The fact that the pass fell incomplete into the end zone was of little consequence. The play might have been symbolic of something greater.

"We were just playing football," Walker said. "That's something Alex hasn't ever done before. It kind of shocked me a little bit. I think that's why I misjudged the ball. He saw I had the dude beat and nobody was behind me. I came back and he was like, 'Go! Go deep.'

"That was the first time doing it, so we weren't on the same page. Now, we're going to be on the same page. He wanted to put it on my outside shoulder to lead it away from the safety that was playing inside. It was basically playing street football."

When I asked Smith about the play, he said he and the 49ers' offense are getting a lot more comfortable and confident.

"When you're comfortable with what you're doing, you're making good decisions and in your head the play slows down," Smith said. "So when a play breaks down, you stay under control.

"The epitome of that is when I watch Aaron (Rodgers) and the Packers. Everything is under control. All of a sudden, when it's not there, he remains so fluid and under control and there's never a breakdown or anxiety. He's so comfortable and they're so comfortable, and everything is under control, so they play faster because of it.

"I think there's a little of that with us. But I think we have a long way to go, and I have a long way to go."

Read more: Alex Smith shows a new side to his game
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>"That was the first time doing it, so we weren't on the same
>page."

>http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/niners-talk/post/Alex-Smith-shows-a-new-side-to-his-game?blockID=576726&feedID=5884
>
>Matt Maiocco
>
>It's all starting to make sense now.
>
>On the day the 49ers selected Alex Smith with the No. 1
>overall pick of the 2005 draft, his college coach, Urban
>Meyer, provided a prescient perspective of the young
>quarterback.
>
>Six-and-a-half years later, Meyer's words are worth
>revisiting.
>
>"Alex is an extremely quick learner," Meyer began. "However,
>he's a guy that, until he understands it, he is nonfunctional.
>. . . Alex Smith is a person that, once he is taught, has to
>learn it all. He might struggle early, but once he gets it, he
>gets it.
>
>"I'm going to be anxious to watch his development with the
>49ers. Alex is so careful with the ball. His
>touchdown-to-interception ratio the last 2 years (at Utah) was
>phenomenal (47 touchdowns and seven interceptions). That's
>because, unless he knows exactly what's going on, he won't
>throw it. He won't just try to guess and take a shot. He has
>to know."
>
>Meyer concluded, "That's why, early in his career, and early
>in our career with him at Utah, he was not an effective
>passer, because he really didn't understand. Once he
>understood, there was no one better. He learns quickly,
>though. But he's not a guy that you throw the ball out there
>and tell him, 'Go play.' He wants to know what is exactly
>expected of him and then he becomes a dynamite player."
>
urban called it. but alex was taught something so many times (and POORLY at that), that he never really knew what was going on.

In 2006 it seemed like Alex was becoming comfortable at the end of the year and then Norv up and left. From that point on it's been one failed offensive scheme after another. Smith was hurt during the Martz run but in hindsight it's probably best he couldn't play. Steve Young was talking about Martz offenses yesterday and said the thing people tend to overlook was how dominate those Ram's lines were. He said it made him jealous to watch Warner stand back there and have all day to make decisions. We know for a fact his offenses haven't looked nearly as good since. I think Alex would have been at least serviceable under your average run of the mill OC.... problem is we haven't even seen that in SF since Norv. Having someone like Harbaugh now really is famine to feast.
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>He said it made him jealous
>to watch Warner stand back there and have all day to make
>decisions.

Steve Young being jealous of Warner's situation is a bit funny to me. even when Martz worked with a good o-line in St. Louis, he still exposed Warner to a lot of hits with his play-calling. I'd say it was more of a credit to Warner for standing tall in the pocket, with five receivers out there, and throwing darts knowing he'd get crushed after the release. he got beat up pretty bad at times.

although yeah, Martz's offenses grew less effective without Orlando Pace, the greatest receiving running back ever, elite receivers and one of the most accurate QBs to ever play.

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"Alex finally has a coach and a system that is quarterback-driven," Young said. "He is like an abused child. He needed someone to come give him a hug. He's not a bust. He's a competent quarterback. Is the upside there? We'll see. But you now finally have a guy in a quarterback-driven system, which means, 'I'm calling plays for the quarterback. Our whole organization is about making the quarterback look good.' And you can see that Alex is starting to thrive in that system. He's taking it first from the bottom up: 'I'm not going to make the big mistake, I'm not going to lose the game and I'm going to grow from there.' And he's done a spectacular job of doing that. The next level is, now I'm going to become the REASON why we win -- now that's a tough step."

it was like therapy for me during the Sing years cause you could tell that shit was killing him as much as it was me.
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but i can't even tell you how bad i wanted the elder yorks to sell the team when steve and brent jones had that investment group lined up and ready to make a bid.

So Jed's Sing fuck up can be forgiven
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It's nice that actual FOOTBALL PLAYERS recognize his marked improvement.

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bbpZG

Alex Smith is the No. 3 ranked passer in the NFL. And on Wednesday he received some nice compliments from NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner, who included him on his list of the Top 5 quarterbacks.

Kurt Warner’s Top 5 Quarterbacks (Through Week 5)
1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Tom Brady
3. Drew Brees
4. Alex Smith
5. Matthew Stafford

There was a time, prior to the 2009 season, when the 49ers wanted Warner to replace Smith as the team's quarterback. But Warner decided to return to the Arizona Cardinals for one season.

Here is what Warner had to say about Smith on NFL Total Access:

"My big surprise: Alex Smith comes in at No. 4. A guy I probably didn't expect to make this list all year long, but he's got his team at 4-1 right now. He's playing as consistent as anybody. And what I've seen the last couple weeks is him making the big play, something that he hadn't done up to that point in the season."

Smith threw three touchdown passes Sunday in the 49ers' 48-3 rout of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

"You've got to play this position, not just week to week but you've got to show some consistency at this position," Warner said. "This (list) is about the quarterback playing the best football at this particular time; not just the best game, but the best football. Alex Smith has been doing it all year long, as well as those other four guys that are on that list."

NFL Network analyst Torry Holt added, "It was the first time last week that I saw him actually drop back and just deliver the football without second-guessing anything."

Read more: Alex Smith makes Kurt Warner's list
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...but yall will be collecting your second L come sunday, I LOVE MY LIONS!!

>...but yall will be collecting your second L come sunday, I
>LOVE MY LIONS!!
I wouldn't be surprised if we do, but I also wouldn't be surprised if we don't. Should be a hell of a game.

in one season

just sayin
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.

you cats kill me.... when Alex would put up numbers in the past he'd get shit on because the team didn't win. Now they are winning and you dudes want to pick apart the stats. lol

Bottom line is he's made plays when he's needed to and the team is 5-1

At some point you're just going to have to stop trying to spin this thing and just own it.
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still doesnt really trust him much, with this gameplan Harbaugh is basically treating a 7 year vet like a rookie.

Gabbert actually is a rookie, so weak numbers and losing is understandable, even expected given the lack of weapons on the jags.

when will Alex be leading the team to wins and not just playing caretaker, along for the ride? maybe in his 9th year? 10th? or are Sanchez numbers his ceiling?

and are you positive Shaun Hill couldn't be doing what Alex is doing now? Grossman? Hasselbeck? Jason Campbell?

But at this point you sound like someone that hasn't even watched the last 5 weeks
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<--- AFC East, watch out!!!

this is the second time you've popped off in here... I told you the first time the answer was right there in front of you... so either you're trolling now or have a reading comprehension issue.

Yeah I'm being an ass but it's more than warranted at this point.


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Lol ok man. The facts are...Smith did well in the first 5 games which were against nobody who is any good. This week he plays a good team and posts really bad stats. Obviously he's not having a bad season, but it's only a few games and I need to see a larger sample size to be convinced he is legit.

I guess if your only point is that coaching matters (which is the last line of the OP), then you are very correct. Singletary was a bad HC and Harbaugh is looking like a good one.

>this is the second time you've popped off in here... I told
>you the first time the answer was right there in front of
>you... so either you're trolling now or have a reading
>comprehension issue.
>
>Yeah I'm being an ass but it's more than warranted at this
>point.
>
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<--- AFC East, watch out!!!

and Philly still has a decent secondary and Alex made some great throws that game.

saying otherwise isn't even worth debating

and don't look now but Cincinnati is the #2 defense in the NFL (total yard) and tied for first place... seems like i remember a little drive at the end of that game by the same guy that threw the game winning TD on 4th down Sunday. But I guess we'll have to keep waiting for him to be a difference maker *rolls eyes*
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Which BTW is a bad argument since 3 of the teams they've beaten were either in first place at the time or have a share of first place now.

But the post really is much simpler than that... you may not understand it but don't let LB fool you into thinking he doesn't. We've had about 500 variations of this exchange over the last 2 years.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1358303&mesg_id=1358303&listing_type=search#1597536
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i gave just gave my older bro his props for defending him the past 2 years. alex smith has gotten exponentially better this season compared to last. harbaugh is a great manager and a. smith is a great supervisor. both are very focused, well-liked, and do a great job getting the offense, d, and special teams in sync to get the W. i wouldn't call a. smith an elite or star QB, or even a threat, but i don't know if i want one at the moment...

i guess thats something to celebrate? i understand, after witnessing horrible QB for the past 5 years, watching Jason Campbell has Raider fans thinking crazy.

the 49ers Defense (Willis in particular), the run game and the special teams are bigger factors in their success than A Smith.

more info found here:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1832267&mesg_id=1832267&page=#1833683

If you actually understood the post and the history behind this debate you'd know that even admitting he's mediocre would have been fighting words with some of these cats. Fact is he's never been as bad as these people want to make him out to be... he's been a scape goat for awful coaches in awful systems. It started with Nolan throwing dude out there injured and then questioning his heart... it's just been down hill from there.

So now dude has a solid coach that has him playing inside a solid system and he's winning football games under center. Alex Smith has put up good yardage totals in the past but the team would usually lose and/or he'd throw an untimely pick so the final stats were usually dismissed. The offense was behind the 8 ball every time it took the field with Sing & Jimmy Raye and when things would fall apart Smith would be the one to take a lot of the blame.

Bottom line is dude has never sucked in the way some people wanted to make it sound. This debate has never been about me claiming dude was an elite QB... just that you could win with him in the right system. Now we're seeing that's true.

So not sure what else you want to try and fight about.
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as in, will he win you a super bowl?

Look at Trent Dilfer a few years back with the Ravens... His job was to not make mistakes... Smith can actually move the offence and not make mistakes... It's very possible that the 49ers could get to a SuperBowl and win it with Alex Smith as their QB...

So I guess it's not too far behind.

There are already 2-3 posts linked in this thread where you dropped your "lol" and already been proven wrong.
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his own shitty franchise is literally waiting to revamp so he has to occupy his attention by plea copping the shit out of the definitive condemnation that he gave for our QB.

A year ago I was here defending myself just for suggesting we could go 8-8 with Smith and win the NFC West and now we're talking about Super Bowls lol

Don't know about you but I'd call that progress

Now as for the question you asked that has zero to do with this post... Can we win the super bowl with Alex Smith... to quote Steve Young "Yes". Will we?.... how the fuck should I know.

Will Houston win a Super Bowl with Matt Schaub? Will Philly win it with Vick? Will Bmore win one with Flacco? Tampa with Josh Freeman? Atlanta with Ryan? Motown with Stafford?

Seriously if you know the answer to any of these questions please let me know so i can drive to Harrahs and lay down some cash.


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>A year ago I was here defending myself just for suggesting we
>could go 8-8 with Smith and win the NFC West and now we're
>talking about Super Bowls lol
>
>Don't know about you but I'd call that progress
>
>Now as for the question you asked that has zero to do with
>this post... Can we win the super bowl with Alex Smith... to
>quote Steve Young "Yes". Will we?.... how the fuck should I
>know

my question wasn't specific to this season, and is related to this post. you gave me a little history about what this is all about. i'm asking the question so that i can understand your overall stance on mr. a smith.

to me, there are two classes of QB's - franchise QB's that can lead your team to a super bowl. Those include Brady, Manning, Brees, etc.

and then there are those that can't. Jason Campbell being a prime example of a talented QB who most people don't believe can get you to the super bowl.

If you are the #1 overall pick in the draft, you HAVE to be that franchise QB, otherwise that pick is a fail. I didn't make up those rules, thats just the way #1 picks are judged.

you think he can win a super bowl, so you think the 49ers made a good pick. many people don't believe he is capable of reaching, let alone winning a super bowl. i believe thats the real argument about smith. the reasoning is that if you don't think you have a franchise QB, then you are wasting your time.

i asked the question because i agree with the sentiment: if you don't believe your QB can win a super bowl, then move on quickly.

i don't care about the back history of this argument on these boards, but bottom line, if you were just arguing that he could be OK with some good coaching, scheme etc, but didn't believe he could win it all, then he ain't worth the #1 pick.

most 'pundits' believe that you need a QB who can carry your teams to victories when other parts of your game are not going well. looking at the numbers for this and, more importantly, the avg attempts per game, its clear that harbaugh isn't leaning on Smith to carry the load.

however, there are examples that say otherwise (bucs, ravens, etc). those examples keyed by historically great defenses. hey maybe this 49er defense will be historically great and A. Smith doesnt need to be amazing in order to win. but even if thats the case, its still hard to justify his #1 pick status.

>to me, there are two classes of QB's - franchise QB's that can
>lead your team to a super bowl. Those include Brady, Manning,
>Brees, etc.

I've never accepted this idea someone is a Super Bowl QB while others are not. There are just too many variables to intelligently slap a label like that on a player. I remember both Brees and Manning being questioned as players that couldn't win a super bowl... that shows the problem with this, the list is consistently in flux.

Steve Young was called garbage when he was in Tampa.. then it was revised to choker after the losses to Dallas in the early 90s. I had heated battles with other 49er fans back then who insisted he would never get a ring. Bradshaw was considered a bust until the 75 season after he had been in the league for 6 years... dude went on to get 4. Nobody was hollering about Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien or Brad Johnson being Super Bowl QBS before they actually won one.

Then you have guys like Marino, Warren Moon, Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts, Tarkenton, etc who put up numbers but never won a Super Bowl... using this logic they aren't Super Bowl Quality QBS because they never won one. If Terrell Davis hadn't come along John Elway would be on this list too.

Naw man, the shit is just lazy talk radio shit where people like to pound their chest and talk in absolutes. I don't make statements like that when I can't possible know the answer.

As for Alex, a lot of people would have never thought it was possible for him to have done this well. Will he keep getting better or is this it? I have no idea.... thing is neither do you or anyone else that isn't involved with him on a day to day basis.



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teams make decisions based upon if they think their QB will lead them to a super bowl. its pretty much black or white - they either believe in their QB or they don't. not everybody feels the same way about each QB, but they always feel one way or another about them.

>I've never accepted this idea someone is a Super Bowl QB while
>others are not. There are just too many variables to
>intelligently slap a label like that on a player. I remember
>both Brees and Manning being questioned as players that
>couldn't win a super bowl... that shows the problem with this,
>the list is consistently in flux.
>
>Steve Young was called garbage when he was in Tampa.. then it
>was revised to choker after the losses to Dallas in the early
>90s. I had heated battles with other 49er fans back then who
>insisted he would never get a ring. Bradshaw was considered a
>bust until the 75 season after he had been in the league for 6
>years... dude went on to get 4. Nobody was hollering about
>Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien or Brad Johnson being Super Bowl
>QBS before they actually won one.
>
>Then you have guys like Marino, Warren Moon, Jim Kelly, Dan
>Fouts, Tarkenton, etc who put up numbers but never won a Super
>Bowl... using this logic they aren't Super Bowl Quality QBS
>because they never won one. If Terrell Davis hadn't come along
>John Elway would be on this list too.

um, your talking with a raider fan. an organization that gave second chances to jim plunkett, rich gannon and jason campbell. all QB's whom Al Davis obviously believed were Super Bowl worthy. i take that back, i don't think Al Davis ever thought that Gannon was super bowl worthy.

>Naw man, the shit is just lazy talk radio shit where people
>like to pound their chest and talk in absolutes. I don't make
>statements like that when I can't possible know the answer.
>
>As for Alex, a lot of people would have never thought it was
>possible for him to have done this well. Will he keep getting
>better or is this it? I have no idea.... thing is neither do
>you or anyone else that isn't involved with him on a day to
>day basis.

you either believe in your players or you don't. probably why you got into such heated debates about steve young. i'm just saying that right now, the numbers don't reflect that Smith is a guy that the coaching staff believes they can lean on. you said that he would excel under the right coach/system. well, right now, his coach's strategy is to limit his involvement and manage the game. i don't know how much that says for smith, but we'll see how this season progresses.

>teams make decisions based upon if they think their QB will
>lead them to a super bowl. its pretty much black or white -
>they either believe in their QB or they don't. not everybody
>feels the same way about each QB, but they always feel one way
>or another about them.
Let's be honest, there is a distinct difference between "hope" and "expect." With the total number of super bowl winning quarterbacks, reasonable people realize their guy may likely never win it, aside from the fact that it takes MANY other variables to fall into place in order for ANYONE to win a super bowl. the general expectation is that this QB will help them win games.



>you either believe in your players or you don't. probably why
>you got into such heated debates about steve young. i'm just
>saying that right now, the numbers don't reflect that Smith is
>a guy that the coaching staff believes they can lean on. you
>said that he would excel under the right coach/system. well,
>right now, his coach's strategy is to limit his involvement
>and manage the game. i don't know how much that says for
>smith, but we'll see how this season progresses.
you have to look at the organization/front office, and not just smith. whether according to your theory a team "believes" in a guy or not, if they do nothing to help him get that ultimate goal, what does that say about the team. no quarterback has ever won a super bowl without good blocking. no consistently successful quarterback has been able to succeed without stability and consistency in the coaching staff. alex smith's career did not happen in a vaccuum. he was picked but a shitty team which was being horribly mismanaged for a long time. aaron rodgers was passed over by about 20 teams who sure as shit would cut the starter to get him. does that mean that no one believed he could win them a super bowl? Your theory about what GMs do is off like shit. Perhaps its how they SHOULD do business, but far too many do not.

so tell me, unless you want to rah rah he's not good about him, how many successful QBs do you know that have had 5 offensive coordinators and 3 head coaches during their first 6 or 7 seasons?

>you have to look at the organization/front office, and not
>just smith. whether according to your theory a team
>"believes" in a guy or not, if they do nothing to help him get
>that ultimate goal, what does that say about the team. no
>quarterback has ever won a super bowl without good blocking.
>no consistently successful quarterback has been able to
>succeed without stability and consistency in the coaching
>staff. alex smith's career did not happen in a vaccuum. he was
>picked but a shitty team which was being horribly mismanaged
>for a long time. aaron rodgers was passed over by about 20
>teams who sure as shit would cut the starter to get him. does
>that mean that no one believed he could win them a super bowl?
> Your theory about what GMs do is off like shit. Perhaps its
>how they SHOULD do business, but far too many do not.
>
>so tell me, unless you want to rah rah he's not good about
>him, how many successful QBs do you know that have had 5
>offensive coordinators and 3 head coaches during their first 6
>or 7 seasons?
>

none of that is relevant....the point is that the Defense, Running and Special Teams are bigger factors to their success than he is right now. Now, that may change, it may not. But at this point, you could have had JC at QB and still be 5-1 because of how well the other parts of the team are playing. if thats worth a #1 overall pick in the draft, then by all means get sensitive about it.

If Alex was still throwing picks like crazy our D would spend more time on the field and be worn down. If he was not connecting with our receivers our running game would not have opened up. Alex's success in the Dallas game and Philly game is the reason Gore is getting room to run right now, because teams are having to respect the fact that in this system Alex can make plays and beat them.

The Bucs game is a prime example.... they came out expecting the 9ers to run the ball and instead got a heavy dose of Alex and the passing game. When he hit Walker on that seem rout for the first TD the Bucs were done... they were on their heels the rest of the day.
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>If Alex was still throwing picks like crazy our D would spend
>more time on the field and be worn down. If he was not
>connecting with our receivers our running game would not have
>opened up.

thats why he gets more scrutiny than others. if he was 3rd round pick, his criticism (or praise) for this season would be completely different.

Guys that have actually played the position like Warren Moon, Kurt Warner, Steve Young & Dan Marino disagree. Saying any QB with a 4-1 TD/Int ratio isn't helping his team win is borderline crazy talk imo.

And JC has 2 more ints and 2 less TDs in only 7 more attempts... so acting like they would be 5-1 with him as a given really don't add up.

But it's your opinion and I'll respect it as such
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>Guys that have actually played the position like Warren Moon,
>Kurt Warner, Steve Young & Dan Marino disagree. Saying any QB
>with a 4-1 TD/Int ratio isn't helping his team win is
>borderline crazy talk imo.

look, obviously the guy is playing solid. its the reason we are having the discussion (he was so horrible in the past that he is actually showing signs of life now). but he is still not playing to his potential. i still see him make high throws more often than he should. and, as i've been saying, his lack of attempts per game is validation that the coaching staff is aware of this.

if thats reason enough for alex smith haters to 'take their L', okay. i'm just pointing shit out. i don't really care for his haters or his fans either way. which would bring us to a different argument of 'what defines taking an L for a smith'.

>And JC has 2 more ints and 2 less TDs in only 7 more
>attempts... so acting like they would be 5-1 with him as a
>given really don't add up.

hey its close. and one of JC's picks was from a hail mary attempt.

>none of that is relevant....
its never relevant when it smacks your argument around

>the point is that the Defense,
>Running and Special Teams are bigger factors to their success
>than he is right now.
i don't know if you actually watch games or just peep highlights, but the 49ers defense has been pretty good for some time now. i think they're BETTER than before, mainly because of secondary play, but their front 7 have been solid for some time (28 games without allowing a 100 yard rusher says so). even DESPITE the issues with the secondary, the defense has been more than good enough to get the team to the playoffs if the offense would give it some time off the field. NOW that is happening and they're looking damned special. but the best defenses still need competent offenses to give them a rest, and to provide them with better field position. this offense is doing its job right now.

>Now, that may change, it may not. But
>at this point, you could have had JC at QB and still be 5-1
>because of how well the other parts of the team are playing.
>if thats worth a #1 overall pick in the draft, then by all
>means get sensitive about it.
i wouldn't necessarily disagree with that, both of those guys are similarly situated for the first several years of their career, lots of different coaches and offensive systems to learn, crappily run organizations. but here's where you're dead wrong. when a QB has to throw for touchdowns late in games, on 4th down for the win, throws for 3 scores in a game, or brings a team back from 20 points down then it's not just "the other parts" of the team getting it done.

he's been very accurate and protected the ball very well. and he's producing touchdowns. ain't shit we're sensitive about actually, just wondering why he was shit stacks when the team was asspiece and now that they're better (with VERY LITTLE personnel changes btw) he's a control while everything else is supposedly a variable.

fuck what OP, i DON'T respect your opinion cause it's full of shit.

so I'm going to respect that even if we disagree with what he's saying.

really his problem seems to rehashing the #1 over all pick thing. wherever someone was picked 7 years ago is just meaningless today. what good would it do a team to make personnel decisions based on that.... no it's what can this guy do to help us and are there better options available right now. arguing about whether or not someone was wroth the #1 is what fans do... not GMs and coaches.
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>so I'm going to respect that even if we disagree with what
>he's saying.
i don't respect arguments that reflect not having watched games. those are flawed from the start. but for ALL the people who kept saying how shitty and awful smith was in the past (and in truth, he was just woefully mediocre, never awful but never great and rarely good) who may or may not have been watching then, for them now to most likely NOT be watching now and still try to deny that he doesn't SUCK as said, fuck em.

>really his problem seems to rehashing the #1 over all pick
>thing. wherever someone was picked 7 years ago is just
>meaningless today. what good would it do a team to make
>personnel decisions based on that.... no it's what can this
>guy do to help us and are there better options available right
>now. arguing about whether or not someone was wroth the #1 is
>what fans do... not GMs and coaches.
pretty stupid ones, fuck can we do about draft order, we just want them to produce as well. and you can't unpick someone, so why dwell on it?

> fuck can we do about draft order, we just
>want them to produce as well. and you can't unpick someone, so
>why dwell on it?
>


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>really his problem seems to rehashing the #1 over all pick
>thing. wherever someone was picked 7 years ago is just
>meaningless today. what good would it do a team to make
>personnel decisions based on that....

but, its the reason his play and the expectations of his play are still debated. lets face it, if he wasn't a #1 pick, he wouldn't have caught as much heat these past couple years.

as far as personnel decisions, i dont agree. where somebody was picked determines how much you've pay them. that alone will make you want to hold onto somebody longer because you want to see a return on your investment.

>no it's what can this
>guy do to help us and are there better options available right
>now.

yes, my other point. while he's playing solid, i don't see that he's distinguished himself from the middle of pack QB's.

>arguing about whether or not someone was wroth the #1 is
>what fans do...

and isn't that why you've been in this a.smith debate for the past however many years?

>not GMs and coaches.

not true, they do it during the draft! but i do believe they make their decisions based upon whether they think a QB has the talent/ability to win them a super bowl. some are right about their decisions/opinions and some are not. al davis was a firm believer in jamarcus russell just needing the right setting/coach....we saw how that turned out.

>al davis was
>a firm believer in jamarcus russell just needing the right
>setting/coach....we saw how that turned out.

Those I called out in this thread were putting him along side the JaMarcus and Ryan Leafs of the football world. I thought with the right situation the 49ers could make the playoffs with Smith... I believe we're seeing that was true... I have no problem debating the points you raised but it really is a different argument than those I directed this post at were making the last couple year... but of course that hasn't stopped them from trying to reset the topic at hand.

any way good respectful debate man

have a good weekend

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>>none of that is relevant....
>its never relevant when it smacks your argument around

its not relevant because our discussion was not about whether GM's or coaches should or should not view QB's in black/white - super bowl talent or not.

>i don't know if you actually watch games or just peep
>highlights, but the 49ers defense has been pretty good for
>some time now. i think they're BETTER than before, mainly
>because of secondary play, but their front 7 have been solid
>for some time (28 games without allowing a 100 yard rusher
>says so). even DESPITE the issues with the secondary, the
>defense has been more than good enough to get the team to the
>playoffs if the offense would give it some time off the field.
>NOW that is happening and they're looking damned special. but
>the best defenses still need competent offenses to give them a
>rest, and to provide them with better field position. this
>offense is doing its job right now.

special teams is helping with the field position as well. ginn is having a great year with his returns.

>i wouldn't necessarily disagree with that, both of those guys
>are similarly situated for the first several years of their
>career, lots of different coaches and offensive systems to
>learn, crappily run organizations. but here's where you're
>dead wrong. when a QB has to throw for touchdowns late in
>games, on 4th down for the win, throws for 3 scores in a game,
>or brings a team back from 20 points down then it's not just
>"the other parts" of the team getting it done.
>
>he's been very accurate and protected the ball very well. and
>he's producing touchdowns. ain't shit we're sensitive about
>actually, just wondering why he was shit stacks when the team
>was asspiece and now that they're better (with VERY LITTLE
>personnel changes btw) he's a control while everything else is
>supposedly a variable.
>
>fuck what OP, i DON'T respect your opinion cause it's full of
>shit.

i don't care what you think about my opinion, but everything you wrote above is subjective. all i've done is point out some stats and facts about the team's overall play. sure, they came back from 20 down, but not because they changed their style to air it out. again, you want to throw a parade because smith is playing decent ball for the first time, go ahead. like i said, i understand it as a fan that is also finally watching some decent QB play.

>>>none of that is relevant....
>>its never relevant when it smacks your argument around
>
>its not relevant because our discussion was not about whether
>GM's or coaches should or should not view QB's in black/white
>- super bowl talent or not.
you brought them up, not me.

>>i don't know if you actually watch games or just peep
>>highlights, but the 49ers defense has been pretty good for
>>some time now. i think they're BETTER than before, mainly
>>because of secondary play, but their front 7 have been solid
>>for some time (28 games without allowing a 100 yard rusher
>>says so). even DESPITE the issues with the secondary, the
>>defense has been more than good enough to get the team to
>the
>>playoffs if the offense would give it some time off the
>field.
>>NOW that is happening and they're looking damned special.
>but
>>the best defenses still need competent offenses to give them
>a
>>rest, and to provide them with better field position. this
>>offense is doing its job right now.
>
>special teams is helping with the field position as well.
>ginn is having a great year with his returns.
we've had good special teams in years past. andy lee's BEEN a beast and allen rossum was pretty dangerous as well. problem was, the other two phases, especially the offense, weren't handling their business

>>i wouldn't necessarily disagree with that, both of those
>guys
>>are similarly situated for the first several years of their
>>career, lots of different coaches and offensive systems to
>>learn, crappily run organizations. but here's where you're
>>dead wrong. when a QB has to throw for touchdowns late in
>>games, on 4th down for the win, throws for 3 scores in a
>game,
>>or brings a team back from 20 points down then it's not just
>>"the other parts" of the team getting it done.
>>
>>he's been very accurate and protected the ball very well.
>and
>>he's producing touchdowns. ain't shit we're sensitive about
>>actually, just wondering why he was shit stacks when the
>team
>>was asspiece and now that they're better (with VERY LITTLE
>>personnel changes btw) he's a control while everything else
>is
>>supposedly a variable.
>>
>>fuck what OP, i DON'T respect your opinion cause it's full
>of
>>shit.
>
>i don't care what you think about my opinion, but everything
>you wrote above is subjective. all i've done is point out
>some stats and facts about the team's overall play. sure,
>they came back from 20 down, but not because they changed
>their style to air it out.
he threw for 200 YARDS IN THE SECOND HALF. that, similar to most of what i've said is an objective statistic.

again, you want to throw a parade
>because smith is playing decent ball for the first time, go
>ahead. like i said, i understand it as a fan that is also
>finally watching some decent QB play.
this is where i'm calling bullshit. for you to be posting here, you at least have to have read the original post or some that followed, but even the original post acknowledge that he's not calling the dude a pro bowler. this was a direct message to those that said HE was what was wrong with the 49ers and not its leadership. there are many discussions to be had about alex smith, this particular one was about the fact that supposedly singletary was being hamstrung by inferior talent and a dude who had basically a month and a half to be around just about all the same personnel has them looking like a totally different team. what you're saying is stuff that no one is even putting forth or TRYING to argue, much less disagree with.

we're winning not because he's putting up *gaudy* numbers. apparently he doesn't have to - the staple of the offense is still the running game: 200+ yards two weeks in a row now.

alex definitely needs to work on his mid-range accuracy, as he was chronically high on several throws and crabtree with his super glue hands bailed him out.

however, alex has stepped up in clutch situations when he's been called upon to do so. i think that's what counts here.

i'm anticipating other games this year where we have to throw from behind to get the W, like we see time and time again with the elites in the league. the only benchmark we've had is the eagles game, and that's what the alex naysayers are using as fodder.

>we're winning not because he's putting up *gaudy* numbers.
>apparently he doesn't have to - the staple of the offense is
>still the running game: 200+ yards two weeks in a row now.
>
>alex definitely needs to work on his mid-range accuracy, as he
>was chronically high on several throws and crabtree with his
>super glue hands bailed him out.
>
>however, alex has stepped up in clutch situations when he's
>been called upon to do so. i think that's what counts here.
>
>i'm anticipating other games this year where we have to throw
>from behind to get the W, like we see time and time again with
>the elites in the league. the only benchmark we've had is the
>eagles game, and that's what the alex naysayers are using as
>fodder.

i agree with all of this. he has shown plenty of reason to be hopeful...so we'll see how it goes. like you said, there will be an important game coming up where the team will have to lean on his arm for the W. we'll see how it goes.

Yardage really can be an empty stat when you are turning the ball over and not getting in the end zone.
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Alex Cool Smith leads NFL in comebacks
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By Mike Sando
Grading Alex Smith's play during the San Francisco 49ers' 6-1 start has become one of the more fascinating pursuits of this 2011 NFC West season.

Smith, long a divisive subject among 49ers fans, remains one even during the team's best start since 1998.

It's easy to see why.

Smith ranks among the top 10 quarterbacks in NFL passer rating. He has led three fourth-quarter comeback victories, all on the road. Yet he ranks only 18th in yards per attempt and 24th in yards per game. And despite occasionally setting a high standard for Total QBR, Smith ranks only 24th in the ESPN statistic measuring how quarterbacks impact their teams' chances for winning.

We've had almost as much fun debating the merits of QBR as we've had debating all things Smith, but any quarterback stat ranking Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady and Drew Brees above all others, with Tim Tebow dead last, must be onto something.

Let's set aside the stats for a moment. Fourth-quarter comeback victories have long served as the measure of a quarterback's mettle. Pro Football Reference has done outstanding work in defining and validating them. From their work, we're able to see all fourth-quarter comeback victories for the 49ers since 1960. We can also generate a list for all NFL quarterbacks this season -- a list showing Smith atop the NFL with three, all on the road.

The chart breaks down 2011 fourth-quarter comeback victories by quarterback and venue. Smith and the New York Giants lead the league with three. Smith is the only one with three on the road. A quick look at them:

At Cincinnati, Week 3: With the 49ers trailing 6-3 in the fourth quarter, Smith completes 4 of 8 passes for 48 yards during a 10-play, 72-yard touchdown drive. The 49ers win the game, 13-8.
At Philadelphia, Week 4: The 49ers won this one in the fourth quarter on the strength of their running game and defense. Smith completed 9 of 9 passes for 179 yards and two touchdowns in the third quarter, when the 49ers erased most of a 20-point deficit. He completed 4 of 8 passes for 22 yards, no first downs and a sack in the final 15 minutes.
At Detroit, Week 6: Smith and the passing game struggled most of the way, but with the game on the line, Smith found Delanie Walker for the go-ahead touchdown on a fourth-down play with 1:56 remaining.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/02/sports/football/with-harbaugh-in-his-corner-alex-smith-emerges-as-49ers-leader.html?_r=1

"Nolan once accused Smith of being soft, though the shoulder injury questioned by the coach later required surgical repair, costing Smith most of 2007 and, after complications, all of 2008."

The fact of that matter is he hasn't had 6 seasons in the NFL before this one... more like 4... and one of those was a rookie year and two more were under the worst coach in this history of football lol

All in all I'd say Smith has only had one stable season (2006) before this year.
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but really the reason i bring that up is we may indeed see more growth out of Alex as the season goes on. i'm sure he's learned a lot over the last 6 years but i'm not sure how much of it actually relates to the function of playing QB in the nfl. the toughness has developed in large part because of what he went through but the on field stuff is brand new for the most part. if Alex doesn't grow and get better from here with everything that's in place now, i'd feel it's safe to say he's an average QB and that's all he ever will be. the nice part about all of this is we will actually have this question answered once and for all.
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>but really the reason i bring that up is we may indeed see
>more growth out of Alex as the season goes on. i'm sure he's
>learned a lot over the last 6 years but i'm not sure how much
>of it actually relates to the function of playing QB in the
>nfl. the toughness has developed in large part because of what
>he went through but the on field stuff is brand new for the
>most part. if Alex doesn't grow and get better from here with
>everything that's in place now, i'd feel it's safe to say he's
>an average QB and that's all he ever will be. the nice part
>about all of this is we will actually have this question
>answered once and for all.


i'm telling you man, how he's playing this year reminds me a lot of 2001 Brady and 2005 Roethlisberger, not saying he'll be as good as them but I expect him to improve in this system. They were called on to make a FEW plays but the burden was not on them to win shit. Years later they do it with regularity, but Cam Newton aside, it has to start somewhere pedestrian for the most part.

>i'm telling you man, how he's playing this year reminds me a
>lot of 2001 Brady and 2005 Roethlisberger, not saying he'll be
>as good as them but I expect him to improve in this system.
>They were called on to make a FEW plays but the burden was not
>on them to win shit. Years later they do it with regularity,
>but Cam Newton aside, it has to start somewhere pedestrian for
>the most part.

If I hear one more person use the Ravens & Dilfer as an example I'm going to turn off the radio because they clearly have no idea what they're talking about. Smith has a QB rating of close to 20 points higher and has already just about matched his total output in yardage for the year. Dilfer also threw 11 picks to only 12 TDs... on top of all of that I don't think anyone would argue Dilfer could make things happen with his legs as Alex has this year. Smith might not be a top 10 QB right now but he's doing a lot more than Dilfer ever did for the ravens.

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I have to say I'm pretty impressed with how Sing handled this... As I said in my anti-Sing post a couple years ago I think he's a terrible coach but still a man of character.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-7197.html

It is the offseason. Jim Harbaugh is walking through an airport terminal. By complete chance, he bumps into Mike Singletary, his predecessor as head coach of the 49ers and his former teammate on the Bears.

They exchange pleasantries as old friends do. Then Harbaugh wants to know something. What does Singletary think of Alex Smith?

This is what Singletary tells him: “All he needs is to get off to a good start. He has what it takes. He is a great kid. He’s the kind of player you want your team to be around. He’s a hard worker, smart. A stand up guy. We didn’t get off to a good start. He had such an up and down career. He needs a good start and for people to believe in him. If he has a good start, he’ll grow and become a heck of a good quarterback.”

Smith has had a good start in 2011, a very good start. And Singletary, one of the few people who was with Smith for the first six years of his career, tells me he is not surprised.

Jim Harbaugh49ers coach Jim Harbaugh has found a way to get the most out of Alex Smith and make the 49ers contenders.

Harbaugh and Smith are an excellent combination. Harbaugh has spent quite a bit of time with his quarterback. Harbaugh knows what it’s like to be a quarterback who doesn’t have the complete confidence of the people around him. Smith has responded well to Harbaugh’s style of positive reinforcement.

Whereas others have knocked Smith in the past for a lack of accuracy, lack of toughness and lack of confidence, Harbaugh has praised Smith for what he has done well. “He’s played superb,” Harbaugh told me. “He’s run the football team. He’s done his job, executed. Made the plays in crunch time. Been accurate. Thrown touchdowns, hasn’t thrown interceptions. He’s doing a lot of things that help the football team win.”

But he hasn’t done those things consistently in the past. Talent never should have been an issue. Smith was, after all, the first overall pick of the draft. Harbaugh’s take? “He’s always been a good quarterback,” he said.

He certainly has been a good quarterback this season, as Smith’s 95.2 passer rating has helped the 49ers to a 5-1 record. They are the surprise team of the season, and he is the surprise player.

Smith has thrown only two interceptions in his last 310 attempts going back to last season, which he finished strong. But you won’t hear Harbaugh calling Smith a good “game manager.” Harbaugh thinks he’s more than that.

Against the blitz this year, Smith has a 128.9 passer rating. There is only one quarterback with a better blitz rating — Aaron Rodgers, who the 49ers passed over to pick Smith. Rodgers’ rating is 133.5. It takes more than a game manager to beat the blitz. “We’re trying to build on that,” Harbaugh said. “It’s something the whole unit takes a lot of pride in.”

Smith has benefitted from the tutelage of quarterbacks coach Geep Chryst, and from the game planning of offensive coordinator Greg Roman. Having a team that is driven by defense and special teams has been a plus as well.

It hasn’t always been this harmonious for Smith. Roman is his eighth offensive coordinator with the 49ers in seven years. Not all of them had as much confidence in Smith as the current group of coaches do.

The confidence has enabled Smith to get off to a great start, which Singletary said Smith needed. But all it is at this point is a start. The 49ers have 10 games left, starting with the Browns Sunday.

And really, that’s all that matters now to Smith, Harbaugh and the Niners. “We’re thinking about how we can build on what he has done and how to put him in position to play better,” Harbaugh said. “Planning and working for the future.”

It’s good for the 49ers to be heading into that future with Alex Smith feeling good about himself.
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>I have to say I'm pretty impressed with how Sing handled
>this... As I said in my anti-Sing post a couple years ago I
>think he's a terrible coach but still a man of character.
>
>http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-7197.html
>
>It is the offseason. Jim Harbaugh is walking through an
>airport terminal. By complete chance, he bumps into Mike
>Singletary, his predecessor as head coach of the 49ers and his
>former teammate on the Bears.
>
>They exchange pleasantries as old friends do. Then Harbaugh
>wants to know something. What does Singletary think of Alex
>Smith?
>
>This is what Singletary tells him: “All he needs is to get off
>to a good start. He has what it takes. He is a great kid. He’s
>the kind of player you want your team to be around. He’s a
>hard worker, smart. A stand up guy. We didn’t get off to a
>good start. He had such an up and down career. He needs a good
>start and for people to believe in him. If he has a good
>start, he’ll grow and become a heck of a good quarterback.”
>
>Smith has had a good start in 2011, a very good start. And
>Singletary, one of the few people who was with Smith for the
>first six years of his career, tells me he is not surprised.
>
>Jim Harbaugh49ers coach Jim Harbaugh has found a way to get
>the most out of Alex Smith and make the 49ers contenders.
>
>Harbaugh and Smith are an excellent combination. Harbaugh has
>spent quite a bit of time with his quarterback. Harbaugh knows
>what it’s like to be a quarterback who doesn’t have the
>complete confidence of the people around him. Smith has
>responded well to Harbaugh’s style of positive reinforcement.
>
>Whereas others have knocked Smith in the past for a lack of
>accuracy, lack of toughness and lack of confidence, Harbaugh
>has praised Smith for what he has done well. “He’s played
>superb,” Harbaugh told me. “He’s run the football team. He’s
>done his job, executed. Made the plays in crunch time. Been
>accurate. Thrown touchdowns, hasn’t thrown interceptions. He’s
>doing a lot of things that help the football team win.”
>
>But he hasn’t done those things consistently in the past.
>Talent never should have been an issue. Smith was, after all,
>the first overall pick of the draft. Harbaugh’s take? “He’s
>always been a good quarterback,” he said.
>
>He certainly has been a good quarterback this season, as
>Smith’s 95.2 passer rating has helped the 49ers to a 5-1
>record. They are the surprise team of the season, and he is
>the surprise player.
>
>Smith has thrown only two interceptions in his last 310
>attempts going back to last season, which he finished strong.
>But you won’t hear Harbaugh calling Smith a good “game
>manager.” Harbaugh thinks he’s more than that.
>
>Against the blitz this year, Smith has a 128.9 passer rating.
>There is only one quarterback with a better blitz rating —
>Aaron Rodgers, who the 49ers passed over to pick Smith.
>Rodgers’ rating is 133.5. It takes more than a game manager to
>beat the blitz. “We’re trying to build on that,” Harbaugh
>said. “It’s something the whole unit takes a lot of pride
>in.”
>
>Smith has benefitted from the tutelage of quarterbacks coach
>Geep Chryst, and from the game planning of offensive
>coordinator Greg Roman. Having a team that is driven by
>defense and special teams has been a plus as well.
>
>It hasn’t always been this harmonious for Smith. Roman is his
>eighth offensive coordinator with the 49ers in seven years.
>Not all of them had as much confidence in Smith as the current
>group of coaches do.
>
>The confidence has enabled Smith to get off to a great start,
>which Singletary said Smith needed. But all it is at this
>point is a start. The 49ers have 10 games left, starting with
>the Browns Sunday.
>
>And really, that’s all that matters now to Smith, Harbaugh and
>the Niners. “We’re thinking about how we can build on what he
>has done and how to put him in position to play better,”
>Harbaugh said. “Planning and working for the future.”
>
>It’s good for the 49ers to be heading into that future with
>Alex Smith feeling good about himself.
i still think he was just so in over his head he absolutely had no idea what to do. its funny to hear him say what he did, even though its absolutely true, but he acknowledged the start wasn't good. there are bad coaches with great football knowledge and acumen (Norv Turner), and there are those whose chops aren't up to snuff yet. Hopefully dude will learn from his mistakes and build up from the ground up. He is definitely a man of character and I really wished ha had succeeded.

I mean I watched dude play his entire career but I've never pulled up his stats and looked at them... when you look at these side by side with Alex Smith's it really starts to become clear how much Harbaugh has in common with Alex.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HarbJi00.htm
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been a lot of pieces like this lately but this is the first one I've seen that touched on the similarities between Harbaugh (as a QB) and Smith.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7185444/san-francisco-49ers-qb-alex-smith-getting-enough-credit-team-success

Alex Smith finally feeling comfortable
His coach in his corner, the QB values wins and leadership over stats and accolades

By Jeffri Chadiha
ESPN.com

SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- At a time when so many NFL quarterbacks are posting outrageous numbers, one of the more noteworthy performances of 2011 is being conducted by a quarterback who actually isn't.

San Francisco 49ers quarterback Alex Smith doesn't have Aaron Rodgers' statistics, nor does he have Cam Newton's promise. What he does have going for him are two things people in that franchise have long waited to see: consistency, and the kind of unsung contributions that have helped the 49ers jump off to a surprising 6-1 start.

Smith's success is all the more stunning because he was supposed to be finished with the 49ers by now. He'd never lived up to the expectations of being the top pick in the 2005 NFL draft, and he'd watched two head coaches booted out of the organization in six years. If first-year coach Jim Harbaugh really wanted to clean house, he would've sent Smith packing as well. Instead, Harbaugh saw something in the seventh-year veteran that really fit with this vision for the 49ers.

It isn't just that Smith's numbers have been good enough to make him the league's ninth-rated passer thus far (he's completed 63.2 percent of his passes with nine touchdowns and two interceptions). It's that he's finally found a coach who's asked him to be a cog in the wheel instead of the star of the show.

"I definitely felt like there were times in the past when I was expected to go out and win the game here," said Smith, whose current passer rating of 95.7 far surpasses his career rating of 74.7. "And that would lead to me forcing passes and making mistakes. Now the expectations are totally different. Sometimes it might be ugly but it's just about getting the job done. It's nice to focus on that instead of my quarterback rating."

EnlargeJim Harbaugh and Alex Smith
AP Photo/Paul SakumaAlex Smith finally has a coach who doesn't ask too much and is confident in his ability.
It's not hard to see why Smith feels more comfortable these days. He's got a head coach who actually understands how to get the most out of his ability, with Harbaugh having carved out a 15-year NFL career by doing all the blue-collar things he now asks of Smith. Harbaugh never cared about style points during his days as a quarterback. His only concern was finding the best possible way to kick the butt of whoever lined up across from his team.

In fact, one of the best qualities Smith had going for him when Harbaugh arrived last January was a mental toughness the coach clearly admires. Smith had been maligned by the media, betrayed by one head coach (Mike Nolan), baffled by another (Mike Singletary) and exposed to seven offensive coordinators during his career. Yet Smith never used the 49ers' dysfunction as an easy excuse for his failings. Every time a new season kicked off, he lined up with the intention of making the most of whatever chance he earned.

That type of resilience often goes overlooked in today's NFL. Too many people judge quarterbacks solely on 300-yard games or the kind of jaw-dropping highlights that can fill up Sports Science segments. Harbaugh deserves credit for realizing that Smith could be every bit the game manager he needed. Smith, in return, deserves respect for understanding that results mean more than job descriptions at this point in his career.

Smith would be the first to acknowledge the 49ers are winning because they like banging. They lean on a tough defense, reliable special teams and the power running of Frank Gore, all the while asking Smith to avoid costly mistakes in a passing game that ranks 31st in the league. The easy stance to take is that Harbaugh doesn't trust his air attack to do the job. The smarter take is that he's playing to his team's strengths while putting Smith in a position of comfort.

Smith has delivered in many subtle ways for the 49ers. When Harbaugh couldn't have any contact with his players during the lockout, it was Smith -- who wasn't even under contract at the time -- who taught the coach's system to teammates during organized workouts.

When everybody was focusing on the postgame drama between Harbaugh and Detroit coach Jim Schwartz following the 49ers' 25-19 win over the Lions on Oct. 16, the fact that Smith threw the game-winning touchdown pass on a fourth-down play became a secondary storyline. Even now, Smith's appeal as a Comeback Player of the Year candidate isn't garnering nearly as much buzz as it should.

Not that he cares about any of these slights. Smith is and should be thankful for just one thing: that Harbaugh was willing to let him compete for the job.

"He told me he was going to bring in the best three quarterbacks he could when I first met him," Smith said. "The only thing he offered me was an opportunity, which was all I wanted."

Actually, it's quite likely Smith wanted a little more than that. He surely coveted the success the 49ers are now experiencing, thanks to a combination of confidence and competence that had been lacking under previous regimes. He also has to be happy about the chemistry that is building as the team keeps stringing more wins together.

The fact that Smith's future remains uncertain -- the team used a second-round pick on rookie Colin Kaepernick in April -- shouldn't be a distraction right now. As Smith surely learned long ago, all he can do is play his best while somebody else makes the hard personnel decisions.

Regardless of where Smith ends up after the season, he already knows this year has been his most rewarding as a pro. As he said, "Unfortunately, there's a lot of crap that comes with playing in the NFL, but this year it's all about ball."

Smith is fortunate Harbaugh kept him around for what has been a fun ride so far. In return, he's given the 49ers a kind of leadership that has been far too easy to overlook.

Senior writer Jeffri Chadiha covers the NFL for ESPN.com.
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49ers QB Alex Smith plays like he belongs
Posted on November 8, 2011 at 4:00 am by San Francisco Chronicle in Quarterbacks


Alex Smith has found something he has been missing since he was a Heisman Trophy candidate at the University of Utah: swagger.

The 49ers' seventh-year quarterback is riding a wave of confidence, and you can see it in his demeanor. He's not afraid to challenge a question from the media. And several of his teammates are expressing their admiration for him.

Smith's ability to withstand a harrowing hit from Washington rookie defensive end Ryan Kerrigan on Sunday won him fans in the locker room.

"I told him he is a tough (expletive) quarterback," guard Mike Iupati said after watching Kerrigan crush Smith on a bruising first-quarter sack. Not only did Smith get up from the flattening, but he held onto the ball, something that wowed one former NFL quarterback - his head coach.

"That was a big hit," Jim Harbaugh marveled. "Most guys would have been dislodged from the ball." He called Smith's capacity for not fumbling uncanny.

Running back Frank Gore said Smith is getting well-deserved recognition for his lack of turnovers (two interceptions, two fumbles) and his ascending passer rating (97.3).

"I think his whole career wasn't fair," said Gore, who was taken by the 49ers in the third round, 65th overall, in Smith's 2005 draft class. "He had different (offensive) coordinators every year. Now he's got some coaches in here who he believes in and they've done a great job with us. I think that's why he's been successful this year."

Defensive lineman Ray McDonald, who worked out with Smith almost daily in the offseason at San Jose State, echoed that sentiment.

"The coaches are giving him a lot more control," McDonald said. "They have confidence in him."

Smith can dictate his play calls at the line of scrimmage more than in the past. He usually calls two plays in the huddle, and depending on the defense, Smith will yell out, "Let it roll" or circle his fists in front of his chest. That signals to the offense to go with the first play that's called. If he wants to go with the second play, Smith will yell, "Kill, kill" or make a slashing motion with his hand.

Even though Smith is having his best season and leading a 7-1 team, he has yet to have a 300-yard passing game, and the 49ers are 30th in passing yards. That's where Smith takes on those who question the 49ers' contained, run-first approach.

After the Washington win, Smith was asked if the conservative passing philosophy has helped him develop.

"No idea," Smith said, almost peevishly. "I'm there to execute plays, run or pass. ... People can talk about whatever they want as far as yardage numbers and things like that. But we're winning games."

Kevin Lynch writes for the Niner Insider blog at SFGate.com. E-mail comments to sportinggreen@sfchronicle.com.

>"I'm there to execute
>plays, run or pass. ... People can talk about whatever they
>want as far as yardage numbers and things like that. But we're
>winning games."

...when they didn't win. The interception to TD ratio is the only stat that really matters outside of wins and losses.
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>...when they didn't win. The interception to TD ratio is the
>only stat that really matters outside of wins and losses.
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but i recall either reading or just seeing how QBs who through for around 250-275 yards often have much higher winnings percentages than those who throw for 300+. When you throw for 300+ yards its often because you HAVE to. When you get your needed points early and/or efficiently, there's no need to keep airing it out just to fill stat sheets.

>but i recall either reading or just seeing how QBs who through
>for around 250-275 yards often have much higher winnings
>percentages than those who throw for 300+. When you throw for
>300+ yards its often because you HAVE to. When you get your
>needed points early and/or efficiently, there's no need to
>keep airing it out just to fill stat sheets.

some 400 yard losing efforts even
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>
top 10 this year, wouldn't put him above:

rodgers, brees, brady, rivers, roethlisberger, manning, but definitely can get in with schaub, fitzpatrick, cassel, ryan and not below 10 for sure. based on his decision making, protecting the football, clutch play when needed, all resulting in WINNING.

I'd rather have him than guys like Cutler or Romo... both throw the ball better but I'm not sure the 9ers would be 7-1 right now with either of those guys. Alex is a much header QB and I think that fits well with what got them to 7-1 in the first place.
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he's been nearly error-free and has answered the call every time this season.

and you deserve him.

yourself, huh? you asked where we had him ranked LAST SEASON AT WEEK NINE. it was all addressed in reply 412 and ignored.

we were 7-1 and Eli was playing bi-polar up to that point in the season. so yeah, higher than Eli at that point.

you got your chip, and yall kicked our ass Sunday. not sure what else you want.

and at that point in the season, Alex was performing better. call it an L, i really don't care.

not who's putting up better numbers.

and that point in time, which qb would you want to be on your team and qbing your future games.

Alex good, yes.
Eli better, yes.

As a niner fan I wouldn't oppose replacing Alex Smith with a little less than half of the starting nfl quarterbacks today. With that being said, there is something to be said for what Alex has been doing the past season and a half. Alex has shown flashes of greatness...inconsistently.

Yes, there are many other QBs who could accomplish the same or better given Alex's circumstances...but that doesn't take away from the fact that he did it.

If the niners were to win the superbowl, Alex would go here:

Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Alex Smith. I think everyone knows that.

As far as Eli goes... He's had some terrible seasons, and some great ones. Hes thrown 134 interceptions in 125 career starts. Hes is a very good QB, but he is mortal.

Can we leave it at that? Of course not.

>right today who's the better player
Eli. nothing to take away from Alex because other than the Giants game, he's having a great season.


>not who's putting up better numbers.
>
>and that point in time, which qb would you want to be on your
>team and qbing your future games.
>

last season at that point in time? Alex. name of the game was to not make mistakes, Eli had good numbers but INTS, and Alex didn't and answered the call every time he had to throw. now that we have a good receiving corp this season, i'd take Eli. again, nothing to take away from Alex because he can still lead this team and this offense is still evolving (and devolving due to Roman's playcalling as of the last game).

go ctrl+F on my posts about Eli in this thread. i have praised him, called him great, and a lock for the HOF. not sure why we have to debate about last season and how last season's opinions of RIGHT TODAY would be relevant to the present.

at any point in time. very suprising.

but before that you'd take eli and now you'd take eli.

interesting.

>at any point in time. very suprising.

a number of folks would've said that here at that point in time. TOs are the death of our team and we know Eli can go Dr. Jekyl at times. not a good fit for last year's squad. our O-line is better than last year and our receiving corp is eons better than last year.

>but before that you'd take eli and now you'd take eli.

before 2011? never said anything about before. a ton of QBs would've been fucked over the years with us. bad O-line, bad receiving corp, a different OC every year, and mediocre head coaches; i wouldn't wish that on any QB. but with the team we have right now, Eli would fit right in.

>interesting.

>you got your chip, and yall kicked our ass Sunday. not sure
>what else you want.

You got it in when you could. Now we own your soul. Eat it BITCH LOLOL

fuck a QBR

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/156/374280167_82fee4925d_b.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDPkD1RaMq8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYE7j60h0CQ

guess they waiting for the second half collapse.
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you expect more out of a QB taken 1st overall, especially in his 7th year. he's basically Sanchezing it up out there. there are average quarterbacks out there that could do what he's doing now, jason campbell, matt hasselbeck.

Smith really did nothing to earn another shot last season, all the fans wanted him gone, he had plenty of time to show he could be a franchise QB and failed, fortunately for him the lockout prevented him from holding a clipboard on another team.

1) he's second to last on our receiver depth chart.
2) he was the #1 option in his "big" Fin season.
3) if you watched the Giants game, you'd think Ginn was an excellent route runner - targeted 4 times and 4 times on the money.
but alas, a QB can't make up for bad hands which translated to an INT instead of a possible TD.
so yes, Ginn actually looked like a decent receiver Sunday.

he has had virtually no impact on offense all year.

he never will. his hands are terrible, same with all your weapons on offense really, but unlike ginn, crab and vernon and the rest of em get open and make plays.

he won us the season opener on returns and has gotten us first downs on some slant routes, catching some bullets from Alex - multiple times in that Giants game; reason for my semi-sarcastic snark above. he's been terrible on some long balls that Alex has laid out for him though. agreed that he'll never be a viable option as a 3rd receiver, but his hands havent looked half as bad as they did in the past.

to say he hasnt contributed at all is a reach. he's stepped up for our ailing receiving corp enough to get a pass from me and I actually aint too mad when he's in the huddle as a receiver anymore lol

I'm done talking to dude on the subject. He's bitter, mad, and getting a pink chaFed vagina that will come in here the SECOND the alex has a bad game. He is having a tough time with the fact that Henne wasn't the answer. Even though Henne and Sanchez have been in the same systems their whole career and went on teams that had some pieces already, but i'm not going there. dude will never forgive alex smith for being the #1 pick. I've moved on and am more concerned with the WINS he is helping us get week in and week out.

their credibility has been shredded but they keep trying to spin their way out.

Like you I'm done having real debates with them... they still good for laughs though.
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Enjoy that. No need to prop up a game manager.

>Enjoy that. No need to prop up a game manager.
before you just pop in to talk uninformed shit.

.....wait, he was drafted in 05? oh nevermind then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDPkD1RaMq8

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But the biggest number on a night where the run game was off? 24.

http://happypenguin.org/images/wgm.jpg

but got sacked a gazillion times, half the time it was his fault for holding on to the ball too long.

sad thing is Andy Dalton just torched this defense for like 380 yards last week, and that was without his stud WR, marvin lewis has more faith in a rookie than Harbaugh does in a 7 year vet lol.

>but got sacked a gazillion times, half the time it was his
>fault for holding on to the ball too long.

I just knew you'd be in here THIS week...how people like you maintain the fantasy you have any creditability left is beyond me.

Seriously there's no reason to ever argue or debate shit with you again.


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I was just clarifying the 24 pass attempts in a game where the ground attack was completely taken away.

did I say anything that wasn't true?

you've shown without a shadow of a doubt you don't know what you're talking about the vast majority of the time... of course we're all wrong sometimes but it's the fact you can't own it that makes you nothing but a waste of time. I mean just two years ago you were on here touting the Miami Dolphins QB as one far superior to the 49ers. You took issue when I said Sing was the main problem with the team and continue to make excuses even in the face of a clear resolution... I mean what else do I have to say to you? You just aren't someone who I can have an honest debate with.

Even with this post here you show just how dishonest you are... 24 passing attempts is supposed to be low? Each team had the ball exactly once in the 3rd Q... This wasn't the Card game where the 9ers ran 83 plays. There just weren't many plays ran period with the way the game went.

respond if you want but as I said, I'm done... Dude you're just too dumb and/or dishonest to keep talking to.

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13-3

90.7 QB rating with a record setting low turnover rate

You haters can keep doing the dance if you want... dude proved he can play in this league.
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Granted, that's better than I thought he'd be, but we're seeing his ceiling.

5th lowest YPA of any player who played most of the season, ahead of only Hasselbeck, T Jackson, Grossman and Fitzpatrick.

>Granted, that's better than I thought he'd be, but we're
>seeing his ceiling.

But we're supposed to take your word for it now huh? lol



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>5th lowest YPA of any player who played most of the season, ahead of
>only Hasselbeck, T Jackson, Grossman and Fitzpatrick.

which in the end doesn't really mean anything

Then you tell us he's hit his ceiling lol

Bottom line is you don't know shit really but want to keep pontificating


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>which in the end doesn't really mean anything

ok dude.

in this case it could be an exception because alex might not be needing to throw long for 3rd downs if they're good about running/penalties. i ain't gonna bother to analyze that shit in depth for this guy.

but its a pretty reliable stat in general

if you like advanced stats, but that's only passing.

his running is a bit better. still, right about the middle of the pack.

-----------
I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

something more than that is comical...

How are those Rams doing?

or better yet how is that franchise QB y'all supposedly have looking... not quite the same without the support huh?

But it's ok... I already knew you didn't know what you were talking about in the first place so you good.
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>How are those Rams doing?
>
>or better yet how is that franchise QB y'all supposedly have
>looking... not quite the same without the support huh?
>
>But it's ok... I already knew you didn't know what you were
>talking about in the first place so you good.

so MAD at a dude for not sucking like they swore he did when all that was ever said was he was in the dark ages of offensive scheming.

they will troll from under their bridge if we lose in the playoffs, regardless of how it goes down and try to wash away 13-3.

this post further exposes how little people actually KNOW about football, if its not something that's painfully obvious. i would venture that most of these trolls have watched very little actual footage of the 9ers this year and less in years past, so have absolutely nothing to base their assessments off of except stat lines and ESPN.

i distinctly remember a 4th and goal TD pass needed to BEAT Detroit, so I'm not sure how the "DLG" horseshit applies.

ah well, keep making these woebegone muthafucks mad. i see the brady/big ben type of DEVELOPMENT (albeit retarded by 6 years) bout to go down in years to come. in which case this post will be a ROFLOLOL for days

>so MAD at a dude for not sucking like they swore he did when
>all that was ever said was he was in the dark ages of
>offensive scheming.

It really is that simple... cats want to start adding all sorts of stats and other bs when all we really said was we thought the team could win with Smith in the right system. The irony in all of this is Sing wanted to use this same formula with this same QB. If it was as simple as just limiting risk why didn't Smith have this same season in 2010?

>this post further exposes how little people actually KNOW
>about football, if its not something that's painfully obvious.

Better yet people that have barely seen a player telling those that have seen every snap how good/bad he is.

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gets shut down in the playoffs and Smith HAS to throw the ball we'll all see what kind of QB his he.

I mean I'm sure you'll be running in here at the first sign of trouble but it won't erase the big throws he made vs Philly, Detroit, Seattle, Cincy and Pittsburgh.... But then again you'd have to actually watch the games and not be frantically defending an agenda to know this.
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>Granted, that's better than I thought he'd be, but we're
>seeing his ceiling.
>
>5th lowest YPA of any player who played most of the season,
>ahead of only Hasselbeck, T Jackson, Grossman and Fitzpatrick.
>
to the left, to the left, to the right, to the right!!!

ROFL the dance continues

>Granted, that's better than I thought he'd be, but we're
>seeing his ceiling.
and you know this how?

>>Granted, that's better than I thought he'd be, but we're
>>seeing his ceiling.
>and you know this how?

but keep gloating about whatever it is you think Alex Smith has proven.

he can QB one of the worst passing offenses in the NFL?

Awesome man.

or grasp the fact they had very little time to put the system in and had to build it up week by week as the season went on.

But you go right ahead and keep sharing your expertise


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>>>Granted, that's better than I thought he'd be, but we're
>>>seeing his ceiling.
>>and you know this how?
must be a parallel dimension, because others who actually KNOW football have disagreed.


>but keep gloating about whatever it is you think Alex Smith
>has proven.
perhaps you should read the original post to see what was asserted in the first place


>he can QB one of the worst passing offenses in the NFL?
>
>Awesome man.
you're becoming an angry little troll, and what for? i didn't sell your team to daniel snyder. i didn't tell them to sign rex grossman.

>>>Granted, that's better than I thought he'd be, but we're
>>>seeing his ceiling.
>>and you know this how?
>
>but keep gloating about whatever it is you think Alex Smith
>has proven.
>
>he can QB one of the worst passing offenses in the NFL?
he can also defeat the eagles (something you guys failed to do) by throwing for almost 300 yards, but again, what a game manager he is, silly me.

>Awesome man.

>Granted, that's better than I thought he'd be, but we're
>seeing his ceiling.
you are cLearLy the authority of aLL things reLated to quarterbacking in the nfLLLLLLLLLLLLL


is this the attic? the sunroof? the satellite dish? I just want to be clear since he hit his ceiling weeks ago.

Smith's achievement of mediocrity has almost everything to do with the talent surrounding him and the coaching, and almost nothing to do with himself. Yeah, obviously, you or I couldn't get under center and lead that team to 13-3, but there is a very long list of NFL QBs (starters and backups) who could.

I don't recall anyone ever saying that Alex Smith couldn't game-manage his way to 13-3 given a dominant defense, a dominant running game, and explosive weapons to throw to.

That said, congrats to Alex Smith. You seized the least-demanding QB role in the NFL and achieved mediocrity.

>13-3
>
>90.7 QB rating with a record setting low turnover rate
>
>You haters can keep doing the dance if you want... dude proved
>he can play in this league.
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<--- SO HOOD

as opposed to career back up.

Congrats to the 49ers organization.

Nor any understanding of what the potion of QB entails... but thats cool.

Better you keep thinking you're saying something than build any real credibility.
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>Nor any understanding of what the potion of QB entails...

because you about to join Truth and LB for talkin out your ass class
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sorry friend.

because if you're trying to cherry pick stats to counter watching the games you're moving into territory I don't think is becoming of a mod for a sports board.

13-3 is a stat too just so you know.


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...you're moving into territory I don't think
>is becoming of a mod for a sports board.

What the Hell?




You wanna go where people know that people are all the same,
You wanna go where everybody knows your name


RIP CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS - A brilliant brilliant man

>because if you're trying to cherry pick stats to counter
>watching the games you're moving into territory I don't think
>is becoming of a mod for a sports board.
>
>13-3 is a stat too just so you know.
>
as has been proven enough, "OK" beside their name don't mean for SHIT.

>13-3 is a stat too just so you know.

I love that one.

Look at the stats, and you see that he is statistically mediocre. Watch the games, and he looks like 37 year old Kerry Collins. You're the one that needs to fall back

>because if you're trying to cherry pick stats to counter
>watching the games you're moving into territory I don't think
>is becoming of a mod for a sports board.
>
>13-3 is a stat too just so you know.
>
>
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<--- SO HOOD

go look up Montana's 1981 season and put that next to Smith in 2011

according to those stats Montana must have been a game manager too

And seriously.... if you say Smith looks like a 37 year old Kerry Collin you're straight up trolling... just on Smith's mobility alone you sound like an idiot.
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for fewest turnovers in a season.... while posting 5 4th Q comebacks in the process.

I mean I'm sure you're going to talk all the same nonsense but I just wanted to make sure you understood just what you think mediocre is.
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>Smith's achievement of mediocrity has almost everything to do
>with the talent surrounding him and the coaching, and almost
>nothing to do with himself.
the talent surrounding him has been there for several years. why hasn't it manifested itself before? with that said, all of it has to be put on coaching, WHICH WAS WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING THE WHOLE FUCKING TIME. you're only proving our point.


>Yeah, obviously, you or I
>couldn't get under center and lead that team to 13-3, but
>there is a very long list of NFL QBs (starters and backups)
>who could.
after going through what alex had to his first 6 years? i seriously doubt it.


>I don't recall anyone ever saying that Alex Smith couldn't
>game-manage his way to 13-3 given a dominant defense, a
>dominant running game, and explosive weapons to throw to.
how many games have you watched? ok thanks shutthefuckup because you clearly overlook and dismiss games where he needed to do more than just "manage" to win.



>That said, congrats to Alex Smith. You seized the
>least-demanding QB role in the NFL and achieved mediocrity.
there is NOTHING mediocre about 13-3


>>13-3
>>
>>90.7 QB rating with a record setting low turnover rate
>>
>>You haters can keep doing the dance if you want... dude
>proved
>>he can play in this league.
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>><--- SO HOOD

>the talent surrounding him has been there for several years.
>why hasn't it manifested itself before? with that said, all of
>it has to be put on coaching, WHICH WAS WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING
>THE WHOLE FUCKING TIME. you're only proving our point.

Seriously are these cats even paying attention? I mean I knew some folks would stumble in here that didn't really know the back story... but seeing the main antagonists in here trying to reshape their argument is one of the most ballsy things I've seen in my 10+ years on this board.


>how many games have you watched? ok thanks shutthefuckup
>because you clearly overlook and dismiss games where he needed
>to do more than just "manage" to win.

Yeah it's clear they haven't seen much beyond highlights and stat lines. We didn't Dilfer our way to wins in Philly, Detroit, and Seattle (just to name a few)

And for people who seem to love to base opinion based on stats they sure do need some time in study hall. The poster child for game manager is Trent Dilfer... look at his numbers in 2000 next to Smith's and tell me what they have in common again?

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>Smith's achievement of mediocrity has almost everything to do
>with the talent surrounding him and the coaching, and almost
>nothing to do with himself. Yeah, obviously, you or I
>couldn't get under center and lead that team to 13-3, but
>there is a very long list of NFL QBs (starters and backups)
>who could.
>
>I don't recall anyone ever saying that Alex Smith couldn't
>game-manage his way to 13-3 given a dominant defense, a
>dominant running game, and explosive weapons to throw to.
>
>That said, congrats to Alex Smith. You seized the
>least-demanding QB role in the NFL and achieved mediocrity.

HA

Or a small victory 7 years in the making
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If I win,or Basa wins,the kid still will always be a losery ass gunner at best
____________________

Behold my works,ye mighty

At worst he's going to be a middle of the pack QB (which was what I said all along) but at this point I'm not so sure his best years aren't ahead of him.

We'll just have to wait and see.
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>Or a small victory 7 years in the making
>____________________

no this is tremendous. if you go back and reread some of the shit that has been posted over the course of the season, you'll see it's fucking staggering. especially when you consider the initial premise was as modest as could be.

something tells me the overwhelming majority of them were ASS this year. Thus, they have nothing better to do but be VERY VERY mad at a dude who finally got put in position to be successful and was successful. And madder still, that he got "so many chances," even though its more a result of the 49ers doing absolutely NOTHING to change their QB situation in a significant way over the years.

they best goddamn better HOPE this was his "ceiling"

so he knows bad QBs.

i follow the pats, so i know good qbs.

and both of us agree--alex smith has joined the venerable pantheon of "good game manager" in his 6th season as a starter. VICTORY!!!!

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I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

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Alex Smith has got you really excited, but you have to reach back to that.

look, you asked how our teams were doing at QB. I pointed out both fans of teams with good QBs (like, say the pats) and bad QBs (like, say, the sk*ns) think alex smith is a game manager. be mad about it.

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I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

>Alex Smith has got you really excited, but you have to reach
>back to that.
>
>look, you asked how our teams were doing at QB.
actually, you proved my point again. you haven't been in this post popping off. your team and QB is set. thus, you were not even who i was referring to, i hypothesized that the majority of those talking SHIT who were now mad were NOT in that situation.

>I pointed out
>both fans of teams with good QBs (like, say the pats) and bad
>QBs (like, say, the sk*ns) think alex smith is a game manager.
>be mad about it.

and what does having a good or bad qb have to do with understanding the importance of coaching and stability in the offensive scheming. anyone can WATCH shit, doesn't mean they know or comprehend the first thing about it.

i'm not sure why you entered into this section of the thread since it didn't apply to you in the first place, but you proved my point. you were not here saying he wouldn't be shit, then making excuses for him playing much better this year. as you have acknowledged reading, many others are. their teams are ASSpiece right now.

>so he knows bad QBs.
no he knows bad management and he's just miserable. the redskins have spent millions of dollars and two years after getting rid of a guy who was easily better than what they've had since and was on his way to getting the raiders into the playoffs.

>i follow the pats, so i know good qbs.
you watch brady, that don't mean shit. him and bledsoe make 2 in 45 years, we had two hall of famers AT THE SAME TIME. please sit down.

>and both of us agree--alex smith has joined the venerable
>pantheon of "good game manager" in his 6th season as a
>starter. VICTORY!!!!

in the case you're not just living up to your signature, how many games have you actually WATCHED this year? i ask only because i see a lot of similarities to brady's first year as a starter and this year for smith. no telling where its going and yes its unfortunately well into his career, but if we're to assume quarterbacks get better as they get more comfortable in systems that are good for them...


--------
>I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

i ask only
>because i see a lot of similarities to brady's first year as a
>starter and this year for smith. no telling where its going
>and yes its unfortunately well into his career, but if we're
>to assume quarterbacks get better as they get more comfortable
>in systems that are good for them...

cmon. how many QBs suddenly become good in their 6th year as a starter? cmon. that's the dumbest shit ever written. cmon. really? cmon. you had to be joking. cmon. brady's first year. cmon. CMON SON.

we're losing recipes.

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I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

>i ask only
>>because i see a lot of similarities to brady's first year as
>a
>>starter and this year for smith. no telling where its going
>>and yes its unfortunately well into his career, but if we're
>>to assume quarterbacks get better as they get more
>comfortable
>>in systems that are good for them...
>
>cmon. how many QBs suddenly become good in their 6th year as a
>starter? cmon. that's the dumbest shit ever written. cmon.
>really? cmon. you had to be joking. cmon. brady's first year.
>cmon. CMON SON.
you're an idiot. i didn't say he was the next brady, i said similar stages of progress and it was brady's SECOND YEAR, FIRST AS A STARTER, and he only came in when bledsoe went down. i also acknowledged that this is 6 years come lately for brady, but also pointed out they were placed into systems that were geared to their success...of course you overlooked all of that.

you clearly haven't WATCHED the games, or are still basking in the glory of the 2000 draft and don't know shit about football. not sure why i bothered after your gossip girl level post previously made.

(but didn't get a preseason's starter's rep) then the comparison is much, much more apt. LMAO

>you're an idiot. i didn't say he was the next brady, i said
>similar stages of progress and it was brady's SECOND YEAR,
>FIRST AS A STARTER, and he only came in when bledsoe went
>down. i also acknowledged that this is 6 years come lately for
>brady, but also pointed out they were placed into systems that
>were geared to their success...of course you overlooked all of
>that.

dude, the basic comparison was so dumb, it wasn't worth talking about anything else. i seen smith. he looks much better. harbaugh was a great help to him. he's still, at best, an average starting QB.

>football. not sure why i bothered after your gossip girl level
>post previously made.

you sound mad. enjoy being in the playoffs and having a great coach and defense and special teams. stop talking about your average qb. what ravens fan is talking about flacco in moments like these? why are 49er fans doing the equivalent? bizarre.


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I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

>(but didn't get a preseason's starter's rep) then the
>comparison is much, much more apt. LMAO
i'm not comparing their careers. i think acknowledging that one was at the very beginning while another is in the middle says as much. i'm speaking on one specific aspect alone, one that you lack the sophistication to be able to delve into.

>>you're an idiot. i didn't say he was the next brady, i said
>>similar stages of progress and it was brady's SECOND YEAR,
>>FIRST AS A STARTER, and he only came in when bledsoe went
>>down. i also acknowledged that this is 6 years come lately
>for
>>brady, but also pointed out they were placed into systems
>that
>>were geared to their success...of course you overlooked all
>of
>>that.
>
>dude, the basic comparison was so dumb, it wasn't worth
>talking about anything else.
the only thing basic is your level of thinking.

>i seen smith. he looks much
>better.
and that's really all this post is about. and how many people try to undercut and diminish the importance of what thankfully only took you about 5 or 6 posts to admit.

>harbaugh was a great help to him. he's still, at best,
>an average starting QB.
i would say above average but can accept your current rating of him.


>>football. not sure why i bothered after your gossip girl
>level
>>post previously made.
>
>you sound mad. enjoy being in the playoffs and having a great
>coach and defense and special teams. stop talking about your
>average qb. what ravens fan is talking about flacco in moments
>like these?
again, maybe start at the beginning, and see what was written. motherfuckers wrote checks throughout it that could not be cashed. it is merely being brought up to remind them of this fact.

>why are 49er fans doing the equivalent? bizarre.
joe flacco hasn't been painted as the scourge of the entire ravens team or shouldered the ENTIRE blame for the organizations shortcomings. he wasn't used to defend an awful, underprepared, and in over his head mike singletary. if you don't know the history, its all in this post. if you don't care to actually get familiar, then fall back.

>-----------
>I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

>i'm not comparing their careers. i think acknowledging that
>one was at the very beginning while another is in the middle
>says as much. i'm speaking on one specific aspect alone, one
>that you lack the sophistication to be able to delve into.

comparing smith and brady is an attempt to claim some srt of similarity between the two. It's a simple logical trick but it's not good--our views of 2001 Brady are fundamentally changed by what he became. Comparing someone to 2001 brady implies something about that individuals future. but your thinking is so...nah, forget it. i don't need to get into more pissy one-liner swaps. i don't care enough about alex smith to do that.

>and that's really all this post is about. and how many people
>try to undercut and diminish the importance of what thankfully
>only took you about 5 or 6 posts to admit.

dawg, he went from bad to average. it's not people taking an L and 49ers fans who claim he's more than average are biased by their position of having watched him for 5 painful years (like saying you'd take him before stafford, hi oldpro! :)

>again, maybe start at the beginning, and see what was written.
>motherfuckers wrote checks throughout it that could not be
>cashed. it is merely being brought up to remind them of this
>fact.

meh, then stick to that.

>joe flacco hasn't been painted as the scourge of the entire
>ravens team or shouldered the ENTIRE blame for the
>organizations shortcomings.

watch what's about to happen if they flop in the playoffs...

he wasn't used to defend an awful,
>underprepared, and in over his head mike singletary. if you
>don't know the history, its all in this post. if you don't
>care to actually get familiar, then fall back.

see, this is where you're getting unnecessarily aggro again. relax.

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I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

>comparing smith and brady is an attempt to claim some sort of
>similarity between the two. It's a simple logical trick but
>it's not good--our views of 2001 Brady are fundamentally
>changed by what he became.
you mean YOUR VIEWS. when everyone was still drinking on peyton's dick, i was calling brady the fucking truth because i saw how dude balled, ESPECIALLY against the rams when it counted. that is another discussion.

my reason for comparing is the situations they were in, and i've made this comparison while throwing ben into this as well. now clearly ben and brady aren't similar style quarterbacks, but what did their first season starting have in common with alex smith's? they were on teams where the pressure wasn't on them to air it out to win games, they had to make SOME throws, but not all of them, and they had solid ground games and great defenses, as well as really good coaching. more than enough times i've said he was damaged goods and was pleased he could look as good as he has over this year. now, having seen him the past 6 years and to just see how he MOVES and STANDS in the pocket, it's like he's a different person. several times over the course of this season he has had to make plays in order for this team to win. he has remained calm when things got tight and has protected the football remarkably well. he's actually been sacked as much as he was last year but the results are markedly different. if he's able to do that with 6 weeks of camp work prior to the season, is it such a stretch to imagine that he could play, um BETTER, next year? that's really all i'm getting at. for the first time, he was brought along the way two highly successful (and many other successful) quarterbacks were brought along: supported by a strong ground game and excellent defense and special teams. after the shit he went through with two previous coaches who didn't know shit, yes i'm pretty convinced that with more time with a GOOD coach who is offensive minded and has a PLAN, he can be better. what an idiotic assertion that was.


Comparing someone to 2001 brady
>implies something about that individuals future.
no, my only implication is that brady started in a well put together offensive system that he already had a year of knowledge in, showed a good grasp of it, and continued to improve. thus, i figured alex could improve as well. didn't say or speculate it would be BRADY good, but lets not forget, brady's first three super bowls, besides being undercut by the cameras, were in large part chalked up to a great defense and vinatieri, if you ask the naysayers, even though he had to ball out in all three of them, especially the panthers game.


>>and that's really all this post is about. and how many
>people
>>try to undercut and diminish the importance of what
>thankfully
>>only took you about 5 or 6 posts to admit.
>
>dawg, he went from bad to average. it's not people taking an L
>and 49ers fans who claim he's more than average are biased by
>their position of having watched him for 5 painful years (like
>saying you'd take him before stafford, hi oldpro! :)
>
>>again, maybe start at the beginning, and see what was
>written.
>>motherfuckers wrote checks throughout it that could not be
>>cashed. it is merely being brought up to remind them of this
>>fact.
>
>meh, then stick to that.
it wasn't i who started bringing other people/ideas into this damn thing. remember that.


>>joe flacco hasn't been painted as the scourge of the entire
>>ravens team or shouldered the ENTIRE blame for the
>>organizations shortcomings.
>
>watch what's about to happen if they flop in the playoffs...
oh blah, the QB position has been the redheaded stepchild of the ravens since the year they WON the superbowl. still doesn't take the heat alex did for all things that went wrong 49er.


> he wasn't used to defend an awful,
>>underprepared, and in over his head mike singletary. if you
>>don't know the history, its all in this post. if you don't
>>care to actually get familiar, then fall back.
>
>see, this is where you're getting unnecessarily aggro again.
>relax.
i'm quite calm, but you brought the shit up. you clearly don't really know or care about the situation; so popping off random shit to make weak points will get called out.


>-----------
>I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

>you mean YOUR VIEWS. when everyone was still drinking on
>peyton's dick, i was calling brady the fucking truth because i
>saw how dude balled, ESPECIALLY against the rams when it
>counted. that is another discussion.

it is.

>well. now clearly ben and brady aren't similar style
>quarterbacks, but what did their first season starting have in
>common with alex smith's?

you mean alex smith's "current season" (see how those words help make things clear)

they were on teams where the
>pressure wasn't on them to air it out to win games, they had
>to make SOME throws, but not all of them, and they had solid
>ground games and great defenses, as well as really good
>coaching.

ok. they also were experiencing their first game action

>different. if he's able to do that with 6 weeks of camp work
>prior to the season, is it such a stretch to imagine that he
>could play, um BETTER, next year? that's really all i'm

you say that (talking about his future) and then:

>no, my only implication is that brady started in a well put
>together offensive system that he already had a year of
>knowledge in, showed a good grasp of it, and continued to
>improve. thus, i figured alex could improve as well. didn't
>say or speculate it would be BRADY good, but lets not forget,
>brady's first three super bowls, besides being undercut by the
>cameras, were in large part chalked up to a great defense and
>vinatieri, if you ask the naysayers, even though he had to
>ball out in all three of them, especially the panthers game.

umm...so which is it. you are talking about his future or you aren't? he will get better or he won't? the brady/ben comparison is because of the current situation only or because it means he might indeed improve?

>i'm quite calm, but you brought the shit up. you clearly don't
>really know or care about the situation; so popping off random
>shit to make weak points will get called out.

and here you go again going after me. alex smith is an average qb. he had a successful year as an average qb on a great team. his ceiling is just about that. i don't think he'll be asked to do much more next season. i wouldn't be surprised to see SF take a QB in the 2013 draft, or maybe even one in 2012 if one drops.

i stuck up for smuts calling him a game manager because that's what he is (OMG! sometimes he's better! sometimes he's worse!) and considering it'll be his 7th year in the league next year and they'll have a more difficult schedule next year and maybe an actual NFC west rival that doesn't suck as well, we'll see a regression to the mean a bit in terms of team success. but 200 ypg, low TD totals and few INTs sounds like exactly what a game manager does with his team. and that's what i'd expect from him.

enough. this is ridiculous. you took offense/disagreed when i said that fans of teams with both good and bad qbs think alex smith is average. it's not that deep (remember what part of this post i replied to).
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why is age relevant? cam is younger than all them fuckers...


>>well. now clearly ben and brady aren't similar style
>>quarterbacks, but what did their first season starting have
>in
>>common with alex smith's?
>
>you mean alex smith's "current season" (see how those words
>help make things clear)
i made it pretty clear what season i was talking about. now you're just trying to be cute.


>they were on teams where the
>>pressure wasn't on them to air it out to win games, they had
>>to make SOME throws, but not all of them, and they had solid
>>ground games and great defenses, as well as really good
>>coaching.
>
>ok. they also were experiencing their first game action
on already good teams. with established running games and defenses. i'm not even TRYING to compare the beginnings of their careers to the beginning of his, that shit ain't close to fair. and it's not the point.


>>different. if he's able to do that with 6 weeks of camp work
>>prior to the season, is it such a stretch to imagine that he
>>could play, um BETTER, next year? that's really all i'm
>
>you say that (talking about his future) and then:
>
>>no, my only implication is that brady started in a well put
>>together offensive system that he already had a year of
>>knowledge in, showed a good grasp of it, and continued to
>>improve. thus, i figured alex could improve as well. didn't
>>say or speculate it would be BRADY good, but lets not
>forget,
>>brady's first three super bowls, besides being undercut by
>the
>>cameras, were in large part chalked up to a great defense
>and
>>vinatieri, if you ask the naysayers, even though he had to
>>ball out in all three of them, especially the panthers game.
>
>umm...so which is it. you are talking about his future or you
>aren't? he will get better or he won't? the brady/ben
>comparison is because of the current situation only or because
>it means he might indeed improve?
i don't see what was conflicting or confusing about what i said. i AM talking about his future. i pointed to them because they're two good examples of how to bring a quarterback along the right way. and that for the first time in his career (except for maybe a year with norv as his OC), alex was brought along the right way.


>>i'm quite calm, but you brought the shit up. you clearly
>don't
>>really know or care about the situation; so popping off
>random
>>shit to make weak points will get called out.
>
>and here you go again going after me.
i went after your wack comparison to flacco. flacco has been on PLAYOFF ravens teams since he started. the 49ers haven't been in since 2002. smith has been wrongly identified as the only reason they hadn't been, when the personnel has been much of the same for 3 years now. the comparison is dead wrong from the start.


>alex smith is an average
>qb. he had a successful year as an average qb on a great team.
>his ceiling is just about that. i don't think he'll be asked
>to do much more next season. i wouldn't be surprised to see SF
>take a QB in the 2013 draft, or maybe even one in 2012 if one
>drops.
and you know what? that's fair. i think above average but not gonna spar with you on it, or the other points.

>i stuck up for smuts calling him a game manager because that's
>what he is (OMG! sometimes he's better! sometimes he's worse!)
smuts ADMITTED that Alex played even better than he had ever anticipated, then follows it with "but that's his ceiling," as if he's all of a sudden an authority.


>and considering it'll be his 7th year in the league next year
>and they'll have a more difficult schedule next year and maybe
>an actual NFC west rival that doesn't suck as well, we'll see
>a regression to the mean a bit in terms of team success.
again, this is a different discussion. the team's record may not be as good but he sat in there and took punches from some really good defenses and did not flinch or cower away. i don't think we can afford for him to even be at the same level, much less regress. i expect improvement next year. this team is too close to not expect and demand improvement from every position.


>but
>200 ypg, low TD totals and few INTs sounds like exactly what a
>game manager does with his team. and that's what i'd expect
>from him.
we shall see.

>enough. this is ridiculous. you took offense/disagreed when i
>said that fans of teams with both good and bad qbs think alex
>smith is average. it's not that deep (remember what part of
>this post i replied to).
bitch i am NOT your child. you take that "enough" and bury it in the recesses of your hairy vagina. you came into a conversation that wasn't even about you without any understanding of the context.

>why is age relevant? cam is younger than all them fuckers...

sigh. just sigh.

>i made it pretty clear what season i was talking about. now
>you're just trying to be cute.

well, you did get mad at me for saying "first season" and not "first season as a starter." payback's a bitch. i didn't call them rookies.

>>ok. they also were experiencing their first game action
>on already good teams. with established running games and
>defenses. i'm not even TRYING to compare the beginnings of
>their careers to the beginning of his, that shit ain't close
>to fair. and it's not the point.

ummm...the pats had just come off of a 5-11 season and were looking like ass in game #2 when Bledsoe got lost for the season. they weren't picked to make the playoffs and were relying on Antowain Smith to revive their running attack (he had just been cut by Buffalo, remember?). so no, that's not what brady came into. also, bettis looked potentially done in 2003, but whatever. i don't care about ben.


>i don't see what was conflicting or confusing about what i
>said. i AM talking about his future. i pointed to them because
>they're two good examples of how to bring a quarterback along
>the right way. and that for the first time in his career
>(except for maybe a year with norv as his OC), alex was
>brought along the right way.

and that's where age comes into play. no matter how much alex was held back by shitty coaching, he's, right today, spent 6 years in the pros as a starter. that alone makes his case FUNDAMENTALLY AND COMPLETELY different from a rookie and a 2nd year guy who had no experience in his 1st year in the league. they aren't evidence of shit. alex wasn't brought along the right way this year--he was managed as a mid-career QB who is a limited offensive weapon.

>i went after your wack comparison to flacco. flacco has been
>on PLAYOFF ravens teams since he started. the 49ers haven't
>been in since 2002. smith has been wrongly identified as the
>only reason they hadn't been, when the personnel has been much
>of the same for 3 years now. the comparison is dead wrong from
>the start.

i made a one liner about how flacco's gonna get the blame when/if the ravens flop in the playoffs. smith won't, mostly because no one expected this. he might get some blame/people will say they'll need an upgrade. they probably won't be wrong (IF that happens).

and who EVER said smith was the only reason? again, flailing at ghosts/tilting at windmills.

>smuts ADMITTED that Alex played even better than he had ever
>anticipated, then follows it with "but that's his ceiling," as
>if he's all of a sudden an authority.

*shrug* I agree. Alex isn't gonna get much better, imo.

>again, this is a different discussion. the team's record may
>not be as good but he sat in there and took punches from some
>really good defenses and did not flinch or cower away. i don't
>think we can afford for him to even be at the same level, much
>less regress. i expect improvement next year. this team is too
>close to not expect and demand improvement from every
>position.

ehh...he had pretty average games against the good defenses he faced.

>bitch i am NOT your child. you take that "enough" and bury it
>in the recesses of your hairy vagina. you came into a
>conversation that wasn't even about you without any
>understanding of the context.

let me end with another attempt to reach a resolution (that "enough" that set you over the edge was as much to myself as to you), considering we're not actually far apart on what we think of smith right today (our future predictions are a bit divergent):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JUeDQbR-ts

relax. stop throwing personal insults at me over alex smith. he's definitely not a good enough qb to deserve that.

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>>why is age relevant? cam is younger than all them
>fuckers...
>
>sigh. just sigh.
thanks for replying. since i'm comparing their team situations rather than the same stage of their careers, age is not a relevant factor.


>>i made it pretty clear what season i was talking about. now
>>you're just trying to be cute.
>
>well, you did get mad at me for saying "first season" and not
>"first season as a starter." payback's a bitch. i didn't call
>them rookies.
i didn't get mad, you screamed BRADYS FIRST YEAR like your panties were on fire, so i needed to point out that what you were screaming was wrong. since i've been saying it for awhile, and with what coach, i hardly needed to clarify


>>>ok. they also were experiencing their first game action
>>on already good teams. with established running games and
>>defenses. i'm not even TRYING to compare the beginnings of
>>their careers to the beginning of his, that shit ain't close
>>to fair. and it's not the point.
>
>ummm...the pats had just come off of a 5-11 season and were
>looking like ass in game #2 when Bledsoe got lost for the
>season. they weren't picked to make the playoffs and were
>relying on Antowain Smith to revive their running attack (he
>had just been cut by Buffalo, remember?). so no, that's not
>what brady came into. also, bettis looked potentially done in
>2003, but whatever. i don't care about ben.
point taken on brady, but remains for ben. whether or not you care about him, it's still my point. of course its your sacred cow that i had the gall to mention that has you insulted. i guess i shouldn't be surprised that the first person to react this way to me saying this is a pats fan.

>
>>i don't see what was conflicting or confusing about what i
>>said. i AM talking about his future. i pointed to them
>because
>>they're two good examples of how to bring a quarterback
>along
>>the right way. and that for the first time in his career
>>(except for maybe a year with norv as his OC), alex was
>>brought along the right way.
>
>and that's where age comes into play. no matter how much alex
>was held back by shitty coaching, he's, right today, spent 6
>years in the pros as a starter.
i continually acknowledged as much and even pointed out it sucks that only know this type of progress has been shown. you can't "no matter how much he was held back" when we're talking about a fucking abysmal organization that was run horribly by two pathetic excuses for head coaches, compared to two class organizations run by top flight football people. that DOES make a difference.

>that alone makes his case
>FUNDAMENTALLY AND COMPLETELY different from a rookie and a 2nd
>year guy who had no experience in his 1st year in the league.
which is why i left age out of it and specifically looked at the teams they were on and what was asked of them at the time.

>they aren't evidence of shit. alex wasn't brought along the
>right way this year--he was managed as a mid-career QB who is
>a limited offensive weapon.
oh, so he wasn't brought along the right way? how the fuck was he "managed" his previous five playing seasons then? please tell me.

>>i went after your wack comparison to flacco. flacco has been
>>on PLAYOFF ravens teams since he started. the 49ers haven't
>>been in since 2002. smith has been wrongly identified as the
>>only reason they hadn't been, when the personnel has been
>much
>>of the same for 3 years now. the comparison is dead wrong
>from
>>the start.
>
>i made a one liner about how flacco's gonna get the blame
>when/if the ravens flop in the playoffs. smith won't, mostly
>because no one expected this. he might get some blame/people
>will say they'll need an upgrade. they probably won't be wrong
>(IF that happens).
well flacco's had several years, and if they fall short again, all major areas SHOULD be looked at. oh no smith will get the lion's share of blame if they lose, unless he throws for around 300 with multiple TDs, i don't doubt that one bit.

>and who EVER said smith was the only reason? again, flailing
>at ghosts/tilting at windmills.
motherfucker can you READ? multiple posts went on and on about how smith was the weak link and the 49ers needed to change their quarterback if they ever wanted to be a good team. its the reason this thread was EVER MADE. seriously, are you just TRYING to be annoying?

>>smuts ADMITTED that Alex played even better than he had ever
>>anticipated, then follows it with "but that's his ceiling,"
>as
>>if he's all of a sudden an authority.
>
>*shrug* I agree. Alex isn't gonna get much better, imo.
we can only wait see, can't debate the future.

>>again, this is a different discussion. the team's record may
>>not be as good but he sat in there and took punches from
>some
>>really good defenses and did not flinch or cower away. i
>don't
>>think we can afford for him to even be at the same level,
>much
>>less regress. i expect improvement next year. this team is
>too
>>close to not expect and demand improvement from every
>>position.
>
>ehh...he had pretty average games against the good defenses he
>faced.
we all acknowledge he didn't light it up much this year, but he was sacked 9 times versus the ravens and avoided 3 more just by skilled running. going by his stats alone, his games would look average in almost all cases. but he made plays when he needed to against the giants, lions, steelers, bengals, etc.


>>bitch i am NOT your child. you take that "enough" and bury
>it
>>in the recesses of your hairy vagina. you came into a
>>conversation that wasn't even about you without any
>>understanding of the context.
>
>let me end with another attempt to reach a resolution (that
>"enough" that set you over the edge was as much to myself as
>to you), considering we're not actually far apart on what we
>think of smith right today (our future predictions are a bit
>divergent):
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JUeDQbR-ts

lol that was funny

>relax. stop throwing personal insults at me over alex smith.
>he's definitely not a good enough qb to deserve that.
stop telling me relax. you're the one who went ballistic when i mentioned oh hallowed thomas in the same breath but CLEARLY was not saying he'd be anything CLOSE to brady in his entire career, although, and i think you can acknowledge this, if he's only little more than HALF the player brady has become, this team will win a super bowl soon.

>dawg, he went from bad to average

Was he as bad as some thought or was he in a really bad system? Dude has to take some of the blame no doubt but my contention was he was poorly coach and poorly developed. That's why I can't really say where he's going to end up... maybe he gets 10% better or maybe 80%. I think we'll have a better idea after a full season and camp under his belt.

And I said I understand why someone would take Stafford... I'm just not willing to say I'd rather have Stafford without seeing where Alex goes from here. Because he's already shown me he's a tougher and smarter QB. If he keeps growing in the offense why would I want to swap him out for a guy that still has a lot to prove himself?
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>>dawg, he went from bad to average
>
>Was he as bad as some thought or was he in a really bad
>system? Dude has to take some of the blame no doubt but my
>contention was he was poorly coach and poorly developed.
>That's why I can't really say where he's going to end up...
>maybe he gets 10% better or maybe 80%. I think we'll have a
>better idea after a full season and camp under his belt.
>
>And I said I understand why someone would take Stafford... I'm
>just not willing to say I'd rather have Stafford without
>seeing where Alex goes from here. Because he's already shown
>me he's a tougher and smarter QB. If he keeps growing in the
>offense why would I want to swap him out for a guy that still
>has a lot to prove himself?

*whew* i'm done with this until the next ep, OP. you know one of these dick drinkers will drag this post up if he has a bad game in the playoffs, even though it WON'T NULLIFY OR CHANGE THE ORIGINAL PREMISE OF THIS POST, when they know in their kool aid pitchers of kool aid pitchers, "playoffs" and "alex smith" did not even compute together.

>when they know in their
>kool aid pitchers of kool aid pitchers, "playoffs" and "alex
>smith" did not even compute together.

Yeah man... it's funny to me people are complaining about this post being 300 deep when it was really only for about 5 people. It could have been kept under 100 easy if they just owned up to their past comments and everyone else took the time to read what this was all about.


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only mad folks are you and your boy who think Smith has achieved anything other than game manager.

Stay mad - maybe it'll help you enjoy the Alex Smith era more - or wait - are they not going to resign him? What a terrible mistake that would be.

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ROFLOLOL

also, holler at post 48, and other stupid shit truth wrote, doubting about how many games we'd end up winning.


this shit is a diagram to a self-ethering if i've ever seen one ROFL!!! motherfuckers predicting failure then trying to act like they never said shit in the SAME THREAD!!!

Playoffs >>>>>>> 16 games




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>Playoffs >>>>>>> 16 games
>
>
HALL OF FAME>>>>>>> Super Bowl

Joe Montana>>>>Alex Smith

What Smith has done this year makes a lot of people uncomfortable in the fact it's exposed just how hard it is to truly evaluate players. Especially when you're opinions are based on highlights, stats and catching a few quarters here and there. No telling how many players (especially QBs) have been victims of mismanagement over the years. That's what makes this whole Alex Smith thing unique... We got to see first hand what a difference coaching and scheme makes. Thing is most people just don't want to admit when they are wrong... especially when it exposes just how poorly thought through most of the statements they make are.
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quite simply, on a scale of 1 to 10, how good a QB do you think Alex Smith is. Say 1 is Jamarcus Russel and 10 is Brady/Manning/Brees.

or, answer it this way. imagine you had a time machine and could go back in time and switch alex smith with any qb in the league the day the lockout ended, in what order would you pick QBs? would smith be in the top 10? top 15? I don't believe he would be. but be honest--who would you/wouldn't you pick to be qb of the 49ers, knowledge of the system held equal.

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>quite simply, on a scale of 1 to 10, how good a QB do you
>think Alex Smith is. Say 1 is Jamarcus Russel and 10 is
>Brady/Manning/Brees.
i'd say a 7 right now, but the truth is, sad as it sounds, the surface has just been scratched so i see that 7 as far from static.


>or, answer it this way. imagine you had a time machine and
>could go back in time and switch alex smith with any qb in the
>league the day the lockout ended, in what order would you pick
>QBs? would smith be in the top 10? top 15?
let me put it like this, with what i know, here's who i would take if i had a choice, with the order getting looser after top four:

rodgers
brees
brady
ben
newton
romo
rivers
manning
stafford


after that, i'd feel comfortable taking alex with any other QB, especially knowing the limitations this new cat would be under, and considering alex was running camp BEFORE the lockout and would have better insight than most, would only put those above clearly ahead of him.

>I don't believe he
>would be. but be honest--who would you/wouldn't you pick to be
>qb of the 49ers, knowledge of the system held equal.


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>I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

isn't really what this post is about but seeing as we've expanded the conversation it's fair.

I was asked this in one of the 9er posts a few weeks back and I said I felt Alex was around #12... right now I might go slightly higher.

For sure I'd rather have

Brady
Breese
Rogers
Roethlisberger
Cam
Eli

Then most likely

Vick
Schaub
Rivers
Ryan

This group here is where I have Alex right now

Romo
Cutler
Stafford

All 3 of those guys in the last list throw the ball better than Alex does right now... but there are other parts of their game that would tempt me to stay with Alex if I had a choice. I might even be tempted to add Rivers to this group.

But yeah basically I have him somewhere in the 11-14 range.


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as a divisional opponent.

anyway, you've overranked him by 3. cut-dawg, stafford and romo are all above him without a doubt. 15-18 sounds right. just about average.


edit: to you and beamer--ok, i read the first 20 or so posts. yeah, people were going extra hard, but damn, don't take offense when people call him what he proved himself to be--an average qb.
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>as a divisional opponent.
>
>anyway, you've overranked him by 3. cut-dawg, stafford and
>romo are all above him without a doubt. 15-18 sounds right.
>just about average.
>
>
>edit: to you and beamer--ok, i read the first 20 or so posts.
>yeah, people were going extra hard, but damn, don't take
>offense when people call him what he proved himself to be--an
>average qb.
its not offense, its calling out bullshit when those who said he'd never be shit, incessantly coming into 49er posts JUST to shit on him, call him an average qb as if it was the first thing they said about him. that was really all this was about. comparing him to current NFL QBs, how good he can be, whether he's hit his ceiling etc, is an entirely different discussion.

but I'm not sure that gunslinger approach would work as well in SF. Limiting turnovers has been a key to the team's success. All 3 of those guys I listed in that group have a good amount of Fun-Ball in their DNA. If you're having a Brees or Rogers type year then fine... but for the most part I'm not sure those extra yards off set the mistakes. Besides I think a lot of people misunderstand Harbaugh's offense in the first place. Anyone that watched Stanford last night can see it's not nearly as pass happy as some might think. I'm sure Smith had limitations put on him with the lack of camp and all... but they weren't going to be going all June Jones any way.
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you did just criticize dudes for playing in their systems (in which throwing is the main offense. loldetroitRBslol).

also, stafford tried to return to a game right after dislocating his (shoulder?). he's tough. injury prone, but tough.

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>you did just criticize dudes for playing in their systems (in
>which throwing is the main offense. loldetroitRBslol).

I'm just talking about an pro caliber scheme... dude we haven't even had that since Norv left. OK Martz was there in 2009 but Smith was hurt that whole year... but I'm not sure that was going to help Alex any way. My point all along has been Alex has played for two offensively retarded head coaches with no clear idea of how to pick up a 3rd and 8 let alone develop a young QB.

>also, stafford tried to return to a game right after
>dislocating his (shoulder?). he's tough. injury prone, but
>tough.

Fair enough
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where Smith didn't waste 6 years he'd turn out better. but i don't think a qb like Smith, even when you finally get a good coach there, can overcome that many years of mediocrity to become a top 10 qb in a league.

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>don't think a qb like Smith, even when you finally get a good
>coach there, can overcome that many years of mediocrity to
>become a top 10 qb in a league.

right now... because even saying he's middle of the pack means he's just a few notches away from top 10. And this with a short camp and one on the fly season with Harbaugh. It's this more than anything that keeps me from just dropping guys like Stafford and Romo ahead of Smith like it's a no brainier. To come out of all the shit he's been through and be in a position where people have to debate whether or not he's top 10 is pretty impressive... and says a lot about the man's mental makeup.

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>where Smith didn't waste 6 years he'd turn out better. but i
>don't think a qb like Smith, even when you finally get a good
>coach there, can overcome that many years of mediocrity to
>become a top 10 qb in a league.
recognizing that to win our division, that would be enough. seeing how it ended, 9-7 was all we needed. the fact that he was able to look so good in such a short time, compared to the woeful inconsistency and mediocrity that we had before, has most 9er fans EXCITED to see him come back. and i cannot REMEMBER the last time i could say that about a QB we had.

>What Smith has done this year makes a lot of people
>uncomfortable

Nope. Nobody really gives a shit.

in the fact it's exposed just how hard it is to
>truly evaluate players. Especially when you're opinions are
>based on highlights, stats and catching a few quarters here
>and there.

Nope. We actually do watch the games.

No telling how many players (especially QBs) have
>been victims of mismanagement over the years. That's what
>makes this whole Alex Smith thing unique... We got to see
>first hand what a difference coaching and scheme makes. Thing
>is most people just don't want to admit when they are wrong...
>especially when it exposes just how poorly thought through
>most of the statements they make are.

This one is debatable. Coaching and scheme, or just talent. The Niners are far more talented now than when they got Smith (forgive the obviousness of that statement, but you don't seem to acknowledge it). Credit to the front office, the niners are one of the most talented teams out there. Smith is working with much better talent than some top teams. Put him at the helm of a team that actually demands playmaking from their QB like the Pats, Saints, or Steelers and everyone would be calling for his head (or the coach's head). And those teams have great coaching and schemes.

<--- SO HOOD

>Nope. We actually do watch the games.

NOBODY that really watched Smith play would make that comparison... even those that think he sucks.

So yeah you pretty much showed you are just here talkin out your ass

I'm not even bothering to read the other shit you just wrote...... trolls don't deserve that respect.

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Can I repost that last paragraph and get a response?


This one is debatable. Coaching and scheme, or just talent. The Niners are far more talented now than when they got Smith (forgive the obviousness of that statement, but you don't seem to acknowledge it). Credit to the front office, the niners are one of the most talented teams out there. Smith is working with much better talent than some top teams. Put him at the helm of a team that actually demands playmaking from their QB like the Pats, Saints, or Steelers and everyone would be calling for his head (or the coach's head). And those teams have great coaching and schemes.

especially on offense. Where the upgrade has occurred is in the O-line. Replacing Chilo Rachal with Synder has probably been the biggest change... Miller at Fullback has been an upgrade too. Goodwin for Bass is close to a push. outside of the line the 9ers offense is pretty much the same as it's been for the last 2-3 years. When you look at the turn over rate under Sing/Raye and then this year under Harbaugh/Roman I'm not sure how anyone could make a case for it being anything other than coaching.




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>Can I repost that last paragraph and get a response?
>
>
>This one is debatable. Coaching and scheme, or just talent.
>The Niners are far more talented now than when they got Smith
>(forgive the obviousness of that statement, but you don't seem
>to acknowledge it).
well it's been 6 years, one would hope a 2-14 team that is now 13-3 to drastically overhaul its talent.

Credit to the front office, the niners are
>one of the most talented teams out there. Smith is working
>with much better talent than some top teams.
that's not true. VD for sure, but nobody at receiver is currently pro bowl level. i can't think of another top team who is in that situation. gore is still very effective, but his best years are likely behind him.

Put him at the
>helm of a team that actually demands playmaking from their QB
>like the Pats, Saints, or Steelers and everyone would be
>calling for his head (or the coach's head). And those teams
>have great coaching and schemes.
now what's silly about this statement is that the pats and steelers both brought along their franchise quarterbacks the right way, in systems that started off with not relying on them to make a lot of plays, yet the 49ers are finally doing that with smith and its a criticism. Brees was already a proven hurler before he came to New Orleans. However, each of those three teams is also loaded with offensive talent for their quarterbacks to work with, ALL better than what san francisco has right now. rest assured, while i'm pleased with what we have, our OVERWHELMING STRENGTH is in that defense.

also, the fact that this is trying to be framed as a "Since smith was there" horseshit is more attempts to deflect from the INITIAL POINT. the overall talent has changed very little from last season to this one, with all the injuries we've actually gotten thinner at receiver. yet the record is twice as good, with the major changes coming from the coaching staff. to say its NOT coaching is an outright lie. to say that coaching has been part of the problem with alex smith is pretty much indisputable, even if the degrees to which coaching is attributed to his success vary.

>also, the fact that this is trying to be framed as a "Since
>smith was there" horseshit is more attempts to deflect from
>the INITIAL POINT. the overall talent has changed very little
>from last season to this one, with all the injuries we've
>actually gotten thinner at receiver. yet the record is twice
>as good, with the major changes coming from the coaching
>staff. to say its NOT coaching is an outright lie. to say that
>coaching has been part of the problem with alex smith is
>pretty much indisputable, even if the degrees to which
>coaching is attributed to his success vary.

Yeah to try and spin this back is just disingenuous... at this point anyone half way objective is going to acknowledge Smith is a middle of the pack functioning QB at the very least. It wasn't long ago that we had polls that included his name along with the JaMarcus Russells and Ryan Leafs of the world... so anyone that wants to talk like a middle of pack ranking now being a given isn't a sea change in perception is practicing goal post moving at it's highest level. Now we have cats trying to tell us our offensive talent has experienced a major upgrade and that's the reason... never mind what was expected to be the biggest offensive pick up never panned out (Edwards) yet Alex still put up a career season. To argue against coaching being an overwhelming factor in this year's success really does show some people will just never admit to anything.


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every time someone murks you in this post, you come up with an ad-hominem to avoid their point...good job dude

>>Nope. We actually do watch the games.
>
>NOBODY that really watched Smith play would make that
>comparison... even those that think he sucks.
>
>So yeah you pretty much showed you are just here talkin out
>your ass
>
>I'm not even bothering to read the other shit you just
>wrote...... trolls don't deserve that respect.
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But Kerry Collins damn sure wasn't one....... you ain't murked anyone here with your trollin ass. And no I didn't read it... you're done here son. Make all the noise you want but don't expect to be taken seriously.
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behind tj yates.

just saying.

But then I'm more concerned with real games than fantasy
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>But then I'm more concerned with real games than fantasy

.

.

he played excellent.

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I'm gonna inbox you every hour on the hour

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I fucking love this shit

-

You can't make a better throw than that. Only similar throw, from this season, that I can think of is AR to Nelson vs the Giants on their game-winning drive. Incredible final 2 drives he lead.

and Vernon..

really it's cool to see 2 guys who came in with hype...not reach a certain level...but now are like ballin like beyond ..

great game

how in BLUE FUCK CAN HE BE STYLING LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!

someone please???

props to LBs finest for finally falling on that L sword


WAITING FOR OTHERS!!!!

Oh that's right, everybody is probably out clubbing in celebration of yet another bustworthy performance by Alex Smith.

Best game I've ever been to... GO NINERS!

...

I think my boy Alex has earned at least that much

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wait till the end of our season

Let's all remember what we were talking about here... this was about dude being a total bust. Even when dude put in a stellar regular season some naysayers still remained. Now dude went all Joey Montana TWICE in the same game so I'm not sure what's left of this debate. There are going to be more chapters and other questions about Alex moving forward... but I really do think this one is closed forever.
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u'll have the most dramatic L to W turnaround prob in oks history lol

For all the shit I gave to those trying to move the goal posts I'm not going to turn around and do it just because it retroactively supports my argument.
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it's more like making your long shot 59 yard field goal to a damn near impossible 69 yarder lol.

leave it up

I just think the 9ers have a better team
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See how many people still want to put Romo and Ryan higher
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get ready to hold that one in your chest

you can never have a comment without some spin in this bitch from a stan, huh? Eli is a great QB and I never said he wasn't - you perform in the 'offs, you get props from me. however, we were posting CURRENT QB ratings at the time, and Eli was playing like shit and tossing funballs then. if u wanna call an L for saying Alex was better throughout the season up to that week, then go and have your little moral victory for whatever 'cause we won that week. i'll happily take a moral victory L from you. just don't busta thembi if your bluemen catch an L Sunday.

He already reached his ceiling, so says you. LBs has owned up and acknowledged, you going to take over as the biggest assclown in this thread?

Steve Young didn't become the man 'til Joe got hurt and that... was his 7th season at the young age of 30. but hey, it's too late for Alex. he hit his ceiling with a new O coordinator each season. he's in terrible shape after seeing that 24 yd run Saturday and from all the sacks this season - despite no signs of weakness. it's the type of season that'd be considered "the leap" for a QB that's been on the bench, learning the system for years. but you know, Smith was thrown into the fire since he got drafted instead of the bench, so it can't be that. us Niner fans are being unreasonable for being the ones who've seen his potential. he's never been so poised as he has been this season, but his confidence in his first postseason game was a fluke. the box scores suck. these guys know better than us. he sucks. straight mediocre.

us Niner fans are being unreasonable for being
>the ones who've seen his potential. he's never been so poised
>as he has been this season, but his confidence in his first
>postseason game was a fluke. the box scores suck. these guys
>know better than us. he sucks. straight mediocre.

"these guys" = ok sports experts

Really that's at the core of your anger.

Because you and I both know he's in the 12-15 range of NFL QBs.

We both know he's mediocre.

But for some reason you're mad when I say it.

Oh well.

>Really that's at the core of your anger.
While we're speaking cores, why does yours resemble dried roast beef with blood droplets right now?


>Because you and I both know he's in the 12-15 range of NFL
>QBs.
That's really not in dispute. The fact that you're even saying this is demonstrating how pathetic you've become in this.


>We both know he's mediocre.
I disagree, me having eyes, ears, and a functioning brain, but that's cool, won't argue that with you.

>But for some reason you're mad when I say it.
stay trying to run away and deflect and refocus all you want. but the purpose of this was never to prop him up as the next great thing in the NFL. it was really to underscore how bad the coaching and management of the team has been for the past 8 years and to try and get others to acknowledge that painfully obvious fact.

you are pure comic relief. i think he's better than mediocre, but won't argue with those that think otherwise. but for you to predict that he can't be any better, that's what's funny to me. like your dumbass can't just leave well enough alone. its like taking a shot or undercutting him somehow rehabilitates your formerly inaccurate assessment of him.
in his first playoff game he has an all time legendary performance and you cling to your mediocre tag as if his story is written when there was no way on this motherfucking EARTH you thought he was capable of doing what he did (tell the truth now).


like sure, he's "mediocre" now, but does he become awful with a bad game this week? if he wins the super bowl, does he become "above average?" i'll be interested to see in how you adjust your parameters.


>Oh well.
you are a sad little troll with a clown face. thank you for what you bring to this.

>like sure, he's "mediocre" now

>Because you and I both know he's in the 12-15 range of NFL
>QBs.

in those situations.... on that stage.... when 98% of people believe exactly what you just posted here.

It wasn't one lucky pass man... dude was making monster throws, show leadership under pressure and even using his legs. I really don't expect to ever see him in the top 5 in pass yards and all of that... but I'd like to know how many QBs you rank ahead of him could have done the same thing. If you really think he's as low as 15 then you have a good number of guys on there I know for a fact can't... or at least haven't shown they can up to this point.

But go on and rank him where you want... He don't give a shit so really why should we.

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>Mediocre QBs don't make those throws in those situations.... on that stage.... when 98% of people believe exactly what you just posted here.

is comparable to what Alex did now? c'mon.

anyone trying to compare a 10 yard slant to the 3 throws Alex made can just go on and eat a big fat dick.

I'm done being nice about this shit.

bring some real knowledge to the table or fuck off. I ain't got time to entertain nonsense like this.
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kinda takes away from it a little don't ya think? lol
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... but fuck it, I'm hanging onto every possible thing to support this cat.

That game against the Seahawks while technically a 4th quarter comeback, Alex Smith had very little to do with it. The 9ers took the lead in the 3rd quarter until early in the 4th the Seahawks took it back. The 9ers I don't think ever got back in the red zone and Akers kicked 2 FGs. The Seahawks, as I remember it, had the ball and several chances to win because Alex Smith was ineffectual. Ultimately it was the 9ers D who stepped up, along with Tarvaris Jackson, and prevented the Seahawks from capitalizing on their chances.

I was going to mention this above when someone credited this game as a "comeback". In reality its a stat but its nowhere near an example of Alex Smith late-game heroics or even effectiveness.




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>
>That game against the Seahawks while technically a 4th quarter
>comeback, Alex Smith had very little to do with it. The 9ers
>took the lead in the 3rd quarter until early in the 4th the
>Seahawks took it back. The 9ers I don't think ever got back in
>the red zone and Akers kicked 2 FGs. The Seahawks, as I
>remember it, had the ball and several chances to win because
>Alex Smith was ineffectual. Ultimately it was the 9ers D who
>stepped up, along with Tarvaris Jackson, and prevented the
>Seahawks from capitalizing on their chances.
i'll be honest, i only was able to catch the last 7 minutes, but as had been in weeks prior, the offensive play calling had been shaky. smith did make a huge throw to crabtree when they needed to get a first down.



>
>I was going to mention this above when someone credited this
>game as a "comeback". In reality its a stat but its nowhere
>near an example of Alex Smith late-game heroics or even
>effectiveness.
well that's why they call it "comeback" rather than "game winning touchdown" or something similar. plenty of quarterbacks get credited for endings that they may not have done that much statwise in.


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>
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>3. Downton Abbey
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>
>RIP CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS - All caps when you spell the man
>name

>In reality its a stat but its nowhere
>>near an example of Alex Smith late-game heroics or even
>>effectiveness.
>well that's why they call it "comeback" rather than "game
>winning touchdown" or something similar. plenty of
>quarterbacks get credited for endings that they may not have
>done that much statwise in.

Fair enough.

I guess as a Sacramento resident and a die-hard Seahawk fan I'm quick to pull the trigger on "b-b-b-b-but wait he didn't that great!" type of shit when I'm in the midst of 9er fans

Keep backing the game manager tho lol.

>Keep backing the game manager tho lol.
your vagina lips make no sense. you motherfucking know that the ONE position we were outplayed on was NOT quartberback.

Come on son, trying to spin this season as a loss for Alex Smith is kinda ridiculous, you gotta admit. He wasn't the biggest reason we made this far, but his play was a big reason. And losing this game was really not his fault at all.

over 100+ again?

holla.

Longest streak in 9er history without a pick.

This is not an L any way you slice it. It took 7 years for Alex to get to good game manager status. He now looks like a competent NFL starter in his eighth year. Congrats. Kevin Kolb coming for that throne champ.

i mean i know the dude can kill a snake in his sleep, but i'm trying to understand...

Kevin Kolb's coming for that throne champ does not equal Kevin Kolb WILL beat/have a better record than Mr. 8 years. He's coming means if he keeps it up we'll have a chance to unseat the division champion 9ers.

It's week 2 and too early to tell. Now tell me how much I ain't shit and how Alex is playing at a high level. Seriously, I want to read some gloating right now 9ers fan. FWIW, Alex saved my fantasy team today.

>This is not an L any way you slice it. It took 7 years for
>Alex to get to good game manager status. He now looks like a
>competent NFL starter in his eighth year. Congrats. Kevin Kolb
>coming for that throne champ.

The argument that many held onto was that he was a bust, that he'd never amount to anything. Two years with the only competent coaching staff he's had and he and the TEAM look completely different (even though the defense had shown signs in years past). This goal post movement of "he's finally become a game manager or competent starter" as if that somehow diminishes him is PRECISELY the counter-argument upon which this thread is based.

He's NOT a bust. PERIOD. You riding the L train straight off the rails aren't you?

>>This is not an L any way you slice it. It took 7 years for
>>Alex to get to good game manager status. He now looks like a
>>competent NFL starter in his eighth year. Congrats. Kevin
>Kolb
>>coming for that throne champ.
>
>The argument that many held onto was that he was a bust, that
>he'd never amount to anything. Two years with the only
>competent coaching staff he's had and he and the TEAM look
>completely different (even though the defense had shown signs
>in years past). This goal post movement of "he's finally
>become a game manager or competent starter" as if that somehow
>diminishes him is PRECISELY the counter-argument upon which
>this thread is based.
>
>He's NOT a bust. PERIOD. You riding the L train straight off
>the rails aren't you?
>

48 starts is the universally accepted amount of it takes for teams to see if QB has it or not. Seriously name QBs who've been allowed to start after not performing well up to/through 48 starts. You can cop pleas for coaching staff and system as much as you want. The fact is through his first 48 starts he didn't show enough to warrant anymore starts.

That's moot because it took him seven years of starts to look like a universally recognized starting good game manager QB. Last year he maxed out at around 15 attempts per game but when it came time for the playoffs he balled. Let's say he makes the pro bowl this year. This means that it took him 8 years to do it.

Congratulations! However, I better not ever hear anything from any 9ers fan negatively evaluating any team's QB. Give them 7 years worth of training camps and starts to become good game managers and another year to make a pro bowl. I didn't move the goal post, you did. Since you did I'm talking about it.

FWIW, I'm not hating on you or your squad. I sincerely hope Alex makes a pro bowl for fantasy reasons. However, y'all need to chill with this notion that everybody doubted Alex for no reason. That is hate. We speaking the truth out here.

it's been hard to label him a "bust" pre-2011 when no one wanted/needed a high-first-round QB in 2005 to begin with, let alone one with the first pick. word is that mike nolan had tried to trade down leading up to april, but no one wanted it. lots of analysts pre-draft said that whomever outta smith and rodgers went first, the other was gonna slip down to late in the first round.

hello rodgers @ #24.

with leinart staying at SC for his senior season, it pretty much took the wind right outta the sails for the '05 qb class. calij or any other cal grad can get up here in hindsight and talk about "rogers played in a pro system so he's better yadda yadda yadda"..but the fact is no ball club had a peter north-sized hard-on that year to draft a qb.

i really don't think rodgers woulda fared any better under nolan/sing.

i've been one of the biggest alex critics as a niner fan on here and (he didn't play well enough to win the nfc championship btw) jousting with old pro from season to season, but it's time to concede that 7 o-coordinators in 7 years is not gonna help anyone's development and that he's playing very good ball right now for the best team in the league.

>here and (he didn't play well enough to win the nfc
>championship btw)

i hang that on the coaching staff. they called an AWFUL game for the most part, by refusing to stick to the run when it was getting traction against the giants and opening up the passing game for us. those TD passes to VD were preceded by gore runs. most of those infamous "third and longs" were a result of incomplete passes on 1st and/or 2nd down which put the offense, woefully thin at WR by that point, in tough positions to convert.

as bad as kyle williams shit was, just running the ball more would have won us that game.

agree on roman irrationally abandoning the run while being thin at wideout, but smith was memorably gun shy on more than a few times when he needed to make a play (to someone other than a TE). the premature check-downs, balls in the dirt, missing an open deep route.. they were all there.

>agree on roman irrationally abandoning the run while being
>thin at wideout, but smith was memorably gun shy on more than
>a few times when he needed to make a play (to someone other
>than a TE). the premature check-downs, balls in the dirt,
>missing an open deep route.. they were all there.
crabs got NO separation. there was the one overthrow of kyle, but really there was VERY little for him to do that day without risking a turnover.

there was no offensive rhythm BECAUSE they abandoned the run. alex has never been successful when he just chucked chucked chucked with abandon. perhaps down the road he'll have to do that for some games here and there but at THAT stage of his development under harbaugh and co, wasn'thappening.

>i really don't think rodgers woulda fared any better under
>nolan/sing.

maybe you're not a college football fan or you didn't watch much back then because Rodgers had better mechanics, footwork, arm strength, touch, accuracy, a quicker release, further advanced at reading defenses, played in a pro offense, i mean he had the edge in virtually every aspect of a quarterback's game. in fact the only advantages Smith held over Rodgers were his mobility and his height, and those extra 2 inches, his legendary workout, and his wonderlic score did more to help him get taken over Rodgers than his abilities as passer.

lol we're not talking about two equal college prospects here that are no longer on the same level strictly due to circumstances, of course a niners fan would want to feel this way to justify taking the wrong guy. but it's simple, Rodgers would have fared better because he was a better quarterback coming into the league.

you really think Rodgers would have a 1:11 TD-Int ratio as a rookie? that is historically bad.

>you really think Rodgers would have a 1:11 TD-Int ratio as a
>rookie? that is historically bad.

would he have fared better? probably.
would he have gotten just as fucked up as Alex? sure.

>48 starts is the universally accepted amount of it takes for
>teams to see if QB has it or not.
my bad, show me the universally-accepted-theorems-originating-from- the-crack-of-your-ass manual.

Seriously name QBs who've
>been allowed to start after not performing well up to/through
>48 starts. You can cop pleas for coaching staff and system as
>much as you want. The fact is through his first 48 starts he
>didn't show enough to warrant anymore starts.
motherfucker tell me WHO THEY HELD BACK IN FAVOR OF HIM!

he wasn't "allowed," the organization never found a suitable replacement. is that HIS fault?


>
> That's moot because it took him seven years of starts to look
>like a universally recognized starting good game manager QB.
it wasn't the number of starts, it was how long it took for a competent coaching staff to be put into place. are you honestly going to say it was coincidence that when harbaugh arrived things magically just fell into place?

>Last year he maxed out at around 15 attempts per game but when
>it came time for the playoffs he balled.
he threw 445 times last season, divide that by 16, thanks!

>Let's say he makes
>the pro bowl this year. This means that it took him 8 years to
>do it.
SO THE FUCK WHAT. some quarterbacks NEVER make the pro bowl. your point? and please tell me how many quarterbacks from BAD teams make the pro bowl?

>Congratulations! However, I better not ever hear anything from
>any 9ers fan negatively evaluating any team's QB.
and who the fuck are you? unlike most of the myopic motherfuckers here, i can give analysis in light of the totality of circumstances, not just with ESPN level of thought. MANY quarterbacks over time have not been put in positions to succeed. doesn't mean i can't evaluate other team's players. but this notion that the 49ers were the quality of the vikings right before favre got there is hot BULLSHIT.

>Give them 7
>years worth of training camps and starts to become good game
>managers and another year to make a pro bowl. I didn't move
>the goal post, you did. Since you did I'm talking about it.
lol it is hilarious how you guys something think it's his fault that the 49ers didn't get rid of him and are now FURIOUS that he's suceeding. and if you think just getting "training camps and starts" is what has made him successful you know NOTHING about football.

>FWIW, I'm not hating on you or your squad. I sincerely hope
>Alex makes a pro bowl for fantasy reasons. However, y'all need
>to chill with this notion that everybody doubted Alex for no
>reason. That is hate. We speaking the truth out here.

if you cared to read the actual initial post, it addresses succinctly what the argument was and the point needing to be made, which has been beaten into the ground by this point. y'all spoke NO truth. y'all spoke like gossip girls who don't know the first thing about what a professional organization SHOULD look like. it makes NO sense that a team with barely any personnel changes should look night and day JUST when the coaching staff changed except to consider that MAYBE COACHING WAS THE BIGGEST DRIVER ALL ALONG.

some of the worst coaching in modern football history took place on this squad for a good while after mariucci was fired. it was the talent and competitive spirit of the players that allowed them to shine at all before harbaugh and co. got here.

the argument was that he was a bust and just no good. all these pleas are being copped for his success now, with "how long it took" as somehow being a rebuttal. Busts NEVER PAN OUT. that's why they're busts.

>>48 starts is the universally accepted amount of it takes
>for
>>teams to see if QB has it or not.
>my bad, show me the
>universally-accepted-theorems-originating-from-
>the-crack-of-your-ass manual.

It's common knowledge dude. Fine, I'll go find a source later on if it makes you feel better. 1st round picks were measured by the 48 start metric. If your QB didn't show he had was capable of consistently starting within that time frame he was gone. You're ignoring COMMON SENSE/KNOWLEDGE. More on that later.
>
>Seriously name QBs who've
>>been allowed to start after not performing well up
>to/through
>>48 starts. You can cop pleas for coaching staff and system
>as
>>much as you want. The fact is through his first 48 starts he
>>didn't show enough to warrant anymore starts.
>motherfucker tell me WHO THEY HELD BACK IN FAVOR OF HIM!
>
>he wasn't "allowed," the organization never found a suitable
>replacement. is that HIS fault?

Yes, it is his fault. The organization should have drafted better and found a quality QB sooner. Anyone else gets cut and this is *almost* irrefutable.

>
>
>>
>> That's moot because it took him seven years of starts to
>look
>>like a universally recognized starting good game manager QB.
>it wasn't the number of starts, it was how long it took for a
>competent coaching staff to be put into place. are you
>honestly going to say it was coincidence that when harbaugh
>arrived things magically just fell into place?

You're copping pleas and that's fine. I can say that FOR EVERY BUST IN LEAGUE HISTORY. That's the Tebow argument by the way. Anyone else would've been cut. ITWAN....

>
>>Last year he maxed out at around 15 attempts per game but
>when
>>it came time for the playoffs he balled.
>he threw 445 times last season, divide that by 16, thanks!

I meant completions when I typed that my bad. I know his exact number of completions so FOH using that too. However, the point still stands he as a glorified game manager until the playoffs.

>
>>Let's say he makes
>>the pro bowl this year. This means that it took him 8 years
>to
>>do it.
>SO THE FUCK WHAT. some quarterbacks NEVER make the pro bowl.
>your point? and please tell me how many quarterbacks from BAD
>teams make the pro bowl?

You're copping pleas and that's fine. If you "know football" then you know I'm right. This L you are supposedly handing out is really a W. However, Alex will FINALLY make a pro bowl this year. W for everyone who knew Alex Smith was a bust after his first 48 starts.

>
>>Congratulations! However, I better not ever hear anything
>from
>>any 9ers fan negatively evaluating any team's QB.
>and who the fuck are you? unlike most of the myopic
>motherfuckers here, i can give analysis in light of the
>totality of circumstances, not just with ESPN level of
>thought. MANY quarterbacks over time have not been put in
>positions to succeed. doesn't mean i can't evaluate other
>team's players. but this notion that the 49ers were the
>quality of the vikings right before favre got there is hot
>BULLSHIT.

.... Post Steve Young/Jeff Garcia y'all aren't THE preeminent team in the league bruh. Give any of the opposing team's QBs you shit on 7 years worth of starts to become good game managers and see how well they do. Give them 8 and watch them look like pro bowlers. Y'all have LOST THE RIGHT TO EVER shit on anyone's QB. Let me clarify right. I mean the position to speak from a credible standpoint. You can point to Steve Young and Joe Montana. Others can point to Tim Rattay and Alex Smith to name a few of the QBs y'all have had.
>
>>Give them 7
>>years worth of training camps and starts to become good game
>>managers and another year to make a pro bowl. I didn't move
>>the goal post, you did. Since you did I'm talking about it.
>lol it is hilarious how you guys something think it's his
>fault that the 49ers didn't get rid of him and are now FURIOUS
>that he's suceeding. and if you think just getting "training
>camps and starts" is what has made him successful you know
>NOTHING about football.

I'm talking facts and you're copping pleas. You would agree that QBs need time I develop. I'll concede the point that you need a team and coaching staff that believes in you to succeed. However, HE STARTED FOR 7 YEARS. Someone had to believe in him for him to start. You mean to tell me the GMs, coaches AND players didn't believe in Alex during the whole time? GTFOH. Once again, these same pleas can be used for your rivals. Give them 7 years of development time and according to you "a coach that finally believed in them" and I'm almost positive they too can look like competent game managers. That's a FACT.

>
>>FWIW, I'm not hating on you or your squad. I sincerely hope
>>Alex makes a pro bowl for fantasy reasons. However, y'all
>need
>>to chill with this notion that everybody doubted Alex for no
>>reason. That is hate. We speaking the truth out here.
>
>if you cared to read the actual initial post, it addresses
>succinctly what the argument was and the point needing to be
>made, which has been beaten into the ground by this point.
>y'all spoke NO truth. y'all spoke like gossip girls who don't
>know the first thing about what a professional organization
>SHOULD look like. it makes NO sense that a team with barely
>any personnel changes should look night and day JUST when the
>coaching staff changed except to consider that MAYBE COACHING
>WAS THE BIGGEST DRIVER ALL ALONG.
>
>some of the worst coaching in modern football history took
>place on this squad for a good while after mariucci was fired.
> it was the talent and competitive spirit of the players that
>allowed them to shine at all before harbaugh and co. got here.

Okay, delusional 9ers fan strikes again. If ANY of your rivals said the same thig you'd say they were copping pleas and dismissing the ineptitude of their organization. GTFOH with this professional organization plea cop. If it's so professional how come it took so long to in your words "find a competent head coach?"

>
>
>the argument was that he was a bust and just no good. all
>these pleas are being copped for his success now, with "how
>long it took" as somehow being a rebuttal. Busts NEVER PAN
>OUT. that's why they're busts.

Yes, BUSTS do pan out all the time. You'd know this if you watched football. Sometimes a high pick doesn't work out in one place, gets cut or traded and balls in another. Look at Robert Gallery. NOPE! Alex a BUST with 4 YEARS of extra development time and in your words "a coach that finally believes in him". Even though he was managing the shit out of them games last year. That's a credit to Harbaugh. Congratulations! Now Alex is on track to make his first pro bowl in 8 FUCKING YEARS.

This is a W for everyone who correctly states Alex is a BUST. You can up this post a million times and it will still be a W for everyone who said he IS a bust. FOH acting like everyone has to bow down after his first strong season of his career and the subsequent first few weeks of the next season. Give anyone else the "Alex Smith" and watch them blossom.

by claiming we're copping pleas, saying that things you believe are "common knowledge", and claiming some bullshit you said as "fact"?

name ONE QB who's had 7 OCs in 7 years.
YOU CAN'T. FACT.

prove any QB would succeed in that situation.
oh, no QB has been in ANY situation like that, so YOU CAN'T. FACT.

we're copping pleas?
WE are stating FACTS while you're talking about your own bullshit QB standards and calling it the end-all-be-all.

Robert Gallery BALLED in the pros?
when? is that a FACT too?

>by claiming we're copping pleas, saying that things you
>believe are "common knowledge", and claiming some bullshit you
>said as "fact"?
>
>name ONE QB who's had 7 OCs in 7 years.
>YOU CAN'T. FACT.
>
>prove any QB would succeed in that situation.
>oh, no QB has been in ANY situation like that, so YOU CAN'T.
>FACT.
>
>we're copping pleas?
>WE are stating FACTS while you're talking about your own
>bullshit QB standards and calling it the end-all-be-all.
>
>Robert Gallery BALLED in the pros?
>when? is that a FACT too?
he is SERIOUSLY mad at his franchise woes. noted by the "OTHER TEAMS WHO HAD THAT SITUATION WOULD GET RIPPED BY YALL" as if 49ers fans aren't sympathetic to teams with quarterbacking/offensive woes.

FOH

>by claiming we're copping pleas, saying that things you
>believe are "common knowledge", and claiming some bullshit you
>said as "fact"?

It's COMMON KNOWLEDGE dude. All #1 picks drafted in that era of expensive contracts for rookie QBs had a maximum of 48 starts to show their worth. It's irrefutable. However, delusional 9ers fan that you are will continue to ignore this.
>
>name ONE QB who's had 7 OCs in 7 years.
>YOU CAN'T. FACT.
>
>prove any QB would succeed in that situation.
>oh, no QB has been in ANY situation like that, so YOU CAN'T.
>FACT.

Actually the closest we've seen is to Alex Smith is Jason Campbell. He AT LEAST had success. He looked competent and a universally league wide respected starting QB. You know what happened to him. He got traded to Oakland cut and is now a backup. He had just as many offensive systems. He ( in your words) did not have a coaching staff and front office that believed in his talents. Alex Smith is a BUST deal with it.
>
>we're copping pleas?
>WE are stating FACTS while you're talking about your own
>bullshit QB standards and calling it the end-all-be-all.

NOPE! You're spouting pointless hyperbole and provided no tangible evidence to backup your claims. You didn't respond to ANY OF MY POINTS because YOU CAN'T. Delusional 9ers fans: y'all are hilarious with this kiss the ring shit y'all on.
>
>Robert Gallery BALLED in the pros?
>when? is that a FACT too?

Look at the point. The people that don't work out in one place get cut and go onto other places where they are successful. Robert Gallery is a good example. I actually stated Alex would make a pro bowl this year.


So to reiterate:

Alex Smith is a BUST through 49 starts and should've been cut...
48 starts later he became a good game manager.
This season he's on track to make his first pro bowl. This doesn't mean the rest of us are as delusional as you or other 9ers who somehow think everyone else lost and is wrong about Alex. He's having another good season so enjoy it.

Alex's 48th start occurred in his FIFTH season (2010). 80+ QB rating that season and the season BEFORE that. and THAT is with a shitty O-line and receiving corps.

Giants are winning DESPITE Eli his first 48 starts.
he is arguably playing worse than Alex, and his 48th start is in the middle of their Super Bowl season. NOPE! CUT HIM!!!
CUT HIM!!! Kira's 48-game metric says so!!!
take a chance with Anthony Wright!

FOH. now Eli is legendary and Camden-bound.
your dumbass first 48 games started metric is FUCKING RETARDED.

THERE ARE YOUR FACTS.

Eli showed well before that 48 game (3 seasons fam) span that he is a legit starting QB. Most QBs with that injury history that aren't good before that 48 game, got cut or traded. That's not some half assed shot at your organization but the ta-ruth (c) funk flex. *Notices you glossed over my points*

The 48 game metric is universally known. You're just dismissing it due to an agenda, very little football knowledge and being a delusional 9ers fan. Let's not act like the 48 game metric is not true because I said it. U MAD as shit.

Once again all this moot because Alex Smith is on pace for a great season. He balling and winning me fantasy points. Respond with some vitriol hater.

>Eli showed well before that 48 game (3 seasons fam) span that
>he is a legit starting QB. Most QBs with that injury history
>that aren't good before that 48 game, got cut or traded.
>That's not some half assed shot at your organization but the
>ta-ruth (c) funk flex. *Notices you glossed over my points*

oh, it's 3 seasons now? that makes your case even worse. you're gonna bring QBs like Drew Brees? glossed over your points? you BARELY point out ANYTHING. there were FEW people praising Eli before his championship run in the postseason.


>The 48 game metric is universally known. You're just
>dismissing it due to an agenda, very little football
>knowledge and being a delusional 9ers fan. Let's not act like
>the 48 game metric is not true because I said it.

SHOW US.


>Once again all this moot because Alex Smith is on pace for a
>great season. He balling and winning me fantasy points.
>Respond with some vitriol hater.

how am i hating? i'm asking for anything. facts. something. you are the worst debater ever. i'm done.

he also has not been the niners starting QB for 7 years. He missed nearly two seasons due to injuries. when giving a system that works he has proven he can win games as shown when Norval was OC and we went 7-9 and since Harbaugh he is 15-3 with a top 10 QB rating. This post never called him Brady or Manning this post is saying he doesn't suck and to put him in the bust category is not taking into account the situation he went into. Alex has been the consumate SF guy never tried to run, never tried to pass the blame he just kept it moving and now through the first two weeks of this NFL season he has the #3 QB rating in the league and number #5 QBR. He has also tied a franchise records for longest streak of passes without an interception. By all means though continue to be loud but wrong guy and champion Kevin Kolb as the heir to the QB tradition of the NFC West.

> He has also
>SET a franchise records for longest streak of passes without
>an interception.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1827493&mesg_id=1827493&page=#1827500


Now take your L

How good would Montana have looked as a Cardinal under Bud Wilkinson?

What if the Falcons had kept Favre and he never got with Holmgren?

Does Jim Everett make a pro bowl if the Oilers don't traded his rights to a team that had Eric Dickerson?

How good did Steve Young look in cream sickle orange?

Imagine Brady in the 2000s Raider revolving door.


Guys you think are great now you may have been calling a bust in another reality... football is unlike any other sport in just how dependent a player's stats are on his teammates and coaches. It's like expecting one guy to get to the top of mountain with no car and no map and then shitting on him when the cat with the GPS fitted SUV beats him up there... it's simple-simon thinking at it's worst. Sorry the shit just don't work that way.

Steve Young said it best before last year... with the Coaches Alex had up to that point even he really didn't know how good he was or could be. All players want is a real chance... he got it and has made the most of it.

You guys can keep on with this forever... truthfully I don't care any more. My point has long been made. But really at this point lining up with cats like LB on this subject is like volunteering to work for Mitt Romney's minority outreach program.... good luck with that.
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Dude said he has never seen Alex Smith "thread the needle"... Are you fuckin serious guy??

YOU SAID THE SHIT YOURSELF. I'm not devoting any more time arguing with your foolish ass about nothing in particular when you couldn't even MAN UP and acknowledge the hurdle YOU set for them was reached, let alone SURPASSED.


man damn, y'all starting to make LBs look damn REASONABLE on it lolol

Dude, you "win" your quarterback is a now a solid starter... took him long enough.

Ain't no point in arguing ALEX SMITH IS GOOD. I've said that throughout this post.

Take your little victory and BE PROUD.


But FUCK the 9ers nigga. Them warbirds coming for that spot. It's a long season.

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his wideouts did all the work, he was out there Sanchezing it up lol

To still talk that after losing your revenge game w that joke performance? Mercy kill this agenda dog.

>To still talk that after losing your revenge game w that joke
>performance? Mercy kill this agenda dog.

1) Wasn't no fucking "revenge" game. A regular season game don't mean SHIT if you got knocked out of the playoffs. I said way back in February that regular season would hardly satisfy me.

2) The premise of this thread was clearly and simply stated. Motherfuckers ran around jumping on landmines and moving goalposts to take their Ls. Quiet as FUCK when he balls out. Then they come in like little bitches every time Alex has a subpar game as if THAT WAS EVEN CLOSE TO THE INITIAL PREMISE.

FOH with your bullshit.

but these guys didnt wanna at least acknowledge that

Ill give them a pass...still a little sad for my fantasy team.

hes gonna hit yall pussies with the okie doke and start Alex Smith on Sunday. Actually he's gonna run Alex Smith in wildcat sets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsDyZNIkO6Q

lol

.

This whole thing started because people wanted to lump Alex Smith into that Ryan Leaf, Eric Crouch, Jamarcus Russel barrel as a complete bust who should be shuffled out of the NFL. The fact is that despite being overdrafted and put in a terrible situation Smith has made himself into a competent NFl QB. Nobody has ever claimed he's a superstar or a hall of famer, only that he belongs as a starting QB.

Regardless of how the 49ers situation plays out it's still clear that there are 32 teams in the NFL and there aren't 32 people who are better at quarterbacking than Alex Smith. I guess he can be labeled a bust for being the #1 overall pick and not being a superstar but he's going to have a 15+ year career in the NFL and have more success than the vast majority of players who hit the league.

The idea that Kaepernick may take Smith's job somehow destroys the point of this post is kind of absurd.

You guys really dont get the intent of this post at all, but keep trying.

>You guys really dont get the intent of this post at all, but
>keep trying.

they just want to fucking play cute and act like we said dude was johnny unitas. when he goes to another team and plays well, we'll see if this comes back up. Basically it will only come up when he DOESN'T do well, from the chafed asshole contingent that is.

a post that makes them look like total dumb asses.... but carry on
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You wanna at least accept that L?

lol @ these guys

>You wanna at least accept that L?
>
>lol @ these guys

why so much resistance? it was a basic premise that cats have ducked, dodged, and qualified. YOU CAN SEE IT ABOVE. for dudes to come in here after each failure (as if ALL quarterbacks don't fail), but being QUIET AS FUCK when he succeeds is pathetic.

this was all motivated by singletary's coaching tenure and everyone swearing how the "shitty QB" was why the niners sucked.

and looking at the QB situations in:

New York (Jets)
Arizona
Philadelphia
Baltimore
Oakland
Detroit
San Diego
Minnesota

I can't see ANY of those teams doing worse with Alex at the helm.

Are you stupid or just trolling... serious question
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I only have 2 dogs in this race. 1. Somebody said Alex Smith is better than Eli one time so I tear him down at every opportunity. 2. I don't like people phrasing themselves out of Ls. If you have nothing on the line, if there is no 'lose' programmed into what you said then it wasn't worth saying. It's all about having skin in the game. You can pretend to be an analyst or whatever, but we're all fans here.

That's the problem with some of these folks whining about "Alex fans took an L". Besides the fact that they can't grasp a basic concept, they can't even take responsibility for their stupidity. What's the point of stating opinions like they are the "be all end all" when you can't even be an adult about it, take responsibility, and admit when you're wrong. It devalues the ENTIRE board, it makes all opinions meaningless when you can't take responsibility.

We in here speaking the truth to the plea coppers that are irrational 9ers fan nation.

Dude said the owners were not focused on winning and didn't give two shits about football. Dude used being close to the pulse of the team as a defense from legit criticism.

Motherfuckers have copped more pleas for Alex's shitty play than Samsung did to Apple. Y'ALL LOST.

>We in here speaking the truth to the plea coppers that are
>irrational 9ers fan nation.
>
>Dude said the owners were not focused on winning and didn't
>give two shits about football. Dude used being close to the
>pulse of the team as a defense from legit criticism.
>
>Motherfuckers have copped more pleas for Alex's shitty play
>than Samsung did to Apple. Y'ALL LOST.

are listed ABOVE, sliding your fucking goal post back.

ANYTHING you say is null and void.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1827493&mesg_id=1827493&page=#1897645

This is why I made it clear this topic was put to bed before that season was ever over... I wasn't hanging on waiting to throw a super bowl ring up in people's face. Why? Because it was never about that.

What some of you are doing in here now is the shear definition of trolling.... that is unless you are too stupid to comprehend the actual topic at hand.

Either way I'm done talking about this shit. My focus is on my team and their playoff run... y'all can talk all the shit you want moving forward... I have nothing left to prove here

Accept it or don't I truely don't give a shit at this point. Y'all were wrong........ PERIOD
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For looking like an imbecile who can't read and highlighted his/her own stupidity. Great look.

It's now just comedy.

Y'all have copped the GOAT pleas for any player I've ever seen. These are borderline Tebow levels of plea coppage. This is all moot because Kaep is about to have y'all fighting for a super bowl berth.

>This
>is all moot because Kaep is about to have y'all fighting for a
>super bowl berth.

Such a sad freakin' site, and you can't even digest information like a grown up. Keep making yourself look foolish with your "L's" and your "'cism" and "cops" lol, embarrassing.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy72/southbeach1500/AA2041b_zpsab23508c.jpg

The team was good with him for 1.5 seasons, and far exceeded expectations. Then Kaep came in while he was injured and impressed the coaches. They made an arguably hasty switch at starting QB (just because it has worked out doesn't mean it wasn't hasty, they were good and Kaep had no experience), and somehow Alex Smith and his fans are supposed to take an L? Nah, he was playing well before the switch. That almost automatically dispels all Ls.

they lack simple reading comprehension, and are incapable of taking responsibility for their stupidity...i.e. they still aren't adults...something that has plagued the black community for ages. Keep yelling about some racially focused agenda instead of taking responsibility, it's a great look.

is pretty stupid. I believe you should stfu.

>is pretty stupid. I believe you should stfu.

several cats made this racial on two fronts:

1) no black QB would have gotten so much time so FUCK alex smith
2) a white coach wouldn't have been bounced as quickly as mike singletary (nevermind whether or not he actually DESERVED to stay as coach) so again FUCK alex smith


I'm not going to discuss the flaws and logical fallacies of these arguments but yes, there has been some racial bullshit thrown in this mix.

scenario...

Those two concepts ring true on a consistent basis in the NFL...can't fault cats for considering it as the case with us. We know different, but it's our team.

>they lack simple reading comprehension, and are incapable of
>taking responsibility for their stupidity...i.e. they still
>aren't adults...something that has plagued the black community
>for ages. Keep yelling about some racially focused agenda
>instead of taking responsibility, it's a great look.

>The team was good with him for 1.5 seasons, and far exceeded
>expectations. Then Kaep came in while he was injured and
>impressed the coaches. They made an arguably hasty switch at
>starting QB (just because it has worked out doesn't mean it
>wasn't hasty, they were good and Kaep had no experience), and
>somehow Alex Smith and his fans are supposed to take an L?
>Nah, he was playing well before the switch. That almost
>automatically dispels all Ls.

Alex Smith fans had the audacity to tell someone else they lost. Last year and this year were his only good seasons. They Cuban b'd the rest of Alex's career and ignore the fact that he's a bust. They've copped every plea known to man to defend this shit. Alex's performance can't be an L for any objective person if every other QB that was injured, that didn't have an owner/coaches that believed in him, that had a bad offensive line, that had multiple offensive coordinators was labeled a bust, cut and/or traded.

Notice it's predominantly irrational 9ers fans/Alex Smith apologists defending this
Alex.

Nonblakk and all irrational 9ers fans: which pleas did I forget to include in my succinct breakdown of your agenda?

Are you willing to accept that those "pleas" are actually relevant aspects of a qb's success?

A bust is someone who can not play, and the franchise never gets anything out of them.

-Alex proved he can play, and we have gotten a great one and a half seasons out of him... he isn't 30 yet, which leads me to believe that we could have still gotten more good years out of him. Thats not bust level nor L level... with that being said

I wanted him gone as soon as we could get someone better than him. Alex is fine, but there is another tier or quaterback that I would love to have over Alex Smith...now we got that...I wish him the best of luck in Arizona/Kansas City/Minnesota etc.

>Are you willing to accept that those "pleas" are actually
>relevant aspects of a qb's success?
>
>A bust is someone who can not play, and the franchise never
>gets anything out of them.
>
>-Alex proved he can play, and we have gotten a great one and a
>half seasons out of him... he isn't 30 yet, which leads me to
>believe that we could have still gotten more good years out of
>him. Thats not bust level nor L level... with that being said
>
>I wanted him gone as soon as we could get someone better than
>him.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is what cats are FURIOUSLY mad at Alex for. That the organization devoted no meaningful efforts to finding a better option at QB until Harbaugh came along. THAT is what the "chances" were. They act like they passed over Cam Newton or Luck to hold onto Alex.

>Alex is fine, but there is another tier or quaterback
>that I would love to have over Alex Smith...now we got
>that...I wish him the best of luck in Arizona/Kansas
>City/Minnesota etc.
that was my stance BEFORE harbaugh came. whether it ends well for us or not, kaep is that guy, so yes, I wish him well and am more than certain he could do a team service, as evidenced by some awful QBing that has taken place this year in many places.

but like i said, these idiots know what the fuck they said, they know the initial premise, and now they've created an alternate reality, even though their WRITTEN WORDS ARE ABOVE. this shit was over BEFORE the Saints game in the playoffs. I'm done even addressing these fools.

I never particupated in these Alex wars with non-niner fans, so i'm fresh here. I don't even care to, especially since he likely wont be our QB ever again...but with that said, these cats have broken bust meters.

In order to say Alex Smith is a bust, you have to have a statute of limitations on "bad" or "unproductive" seasons before you play well. That, or you have to be an outright probowler to not be a bust.

>Are you willing to accept that those "pleas" are actually
>relevant aspects of a qb's success?
>
>A bust is someone who can not play, and the franchise never
>gets anything out of them.

While I am willing go admit they are relevant. Most busts cite them as reasons for their failure.

I was a fan of dude at one point but we have to call a spade. I've said 10 times this year Alex was good. This two year run does not erase his bust-qualifying performances. I'll make an Alex Smith is the GOAT post if he leads an average team to the second round of the playoffs and/or super bowl.

If Alex did this in 07 by all means make this post. Call for an L all you want. This post is late and thus disqualified from an L.

he's pretty good, he's not a bust, and the team was pretty good with him. that was the whole debate.

>he's pretty good, he's not a bust, and the team was pretty
>good with him. that was the whole debate.

.. the facts tell everyone that's not an irrational 9ers fan Alex is a bust that finally turned himself into a slightly above average backup. If he has a good defense and running game he can mimic an elite quarterback for a while. He's good after he was given enough money, time and coaching to develop after 6 years of FUCKING GARBAGE play.

>If he has a good defense and running
>game he can mimic an elite quarterback for a while.

Dude talks like they overhauled the defense and traded for frank gore right before the 2011 season

shit is so ridiculous i can't even get mad anymore

these cats are mushed mouthed clowns not even worth the back and forth


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as a passer and runner

Kaep is out gunslinging Aaron Rodgers.

Alex never looked this good to everyone else save for irrational 9ers fan in a playoff game.

>

wouldve been a tight game for sure

He be tossing some absolute DIMES

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Until you step up and be a man. Kap being good doesn't excuse you looking like a fool, nice try though.


niners b!tch, recognize.

Was it all him or Harbaugh's coaching?

WEEEEEEEEEE

SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALL

SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (echos out) >_>

that wasn't really the argument either. the ones who repeatedly up this post look dumber and more low iq each time.

the rest of your niner bretherin appear to be off partying (shrug)

lol, sure buddy. There is no L for me to take. I have no horse in this race. I just know who's smart about this subject and who's not. More importantly, I know who's immature, childish, and disgustingly racially biased..and fake. Unfortunately, these traits are indicative of the frequent trash posting that devalues the board and the good threads.

>Was it all him or Harbaugh's coaching?
>
>WEEEEEEEEEE
>
>SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALL
>
>SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (echos out) >_>