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Fuck that other post.

YES.

Edited: https://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/144915833947291649

no homo.

>
>https://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/144913706302717952
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>
>Fuck that other post.
>
>YES.


Lakers gave up too much...The other deal was better for them (keeping Bynum and trading Gasol)...Unless they are getting a center back...Because Gasol at the C? Good luck...lol

But I'm iffy on giving up on Odom, because now we're so amazingly thin in the front court overnight.

Sigh.

Still, happy, but...man.

>But I'm iffy on giving up on Odom, because now we're so
>amazingly thin in the front court overnight.
>
>Sigh.
>
>Still, happy, but...man.


Dog...did you see how Gasol was man-handled in the playoffs? He's not physical and as it stands who is going to be the Lakers' physical guy in the middle...Teams are going to have a field day...lol

Should have kept Bynum....

bynum for dwight bynum for dwight

unless they knew they could get dwight with bynum + not odom

n/m

if you motherfuckers get both I'm heated.

If you just end up with CP3 without Pau & no Dwight, I actually think you got worse.

But still, we probably weren't winning without a major deal. So fuck it.

beggars can't be choosers


>If you just end up with CP3 without Pau & no Dwight, I
>actually think you got worse.

i agree, that's why i think the front office must know they can still get dwight. I doubt they would risk the next 5 years with just Bynum up front

>i agree, that's why i think the front office must know they
>can still get dwight. I doubt they would risk the next 5 years
>with just Bynum up front

but really, I can't see how either trade doesn't require Bynum.

U don't...That's why it's not happening...Unless they get another team involved...because Bynum by himself aint worth Howard...At all...

>U don't...That's why it's not happening...Unless they get
>another team involved...because Bynum by himself aint worth
>Howard...At all...

trades haven't been about pure value for value for a while. If howard says he'll only sign an extension with la, then bynum might be the best they can get for him

That simple. You can turn down a chance for the best big man in the game. Period.

I think they have to be satisfied. Otherwise it's let him walk or Brook Lopez as the new cornerstone of your franchise.

You'd think they'd want something more beyond a 31-year-old with a huge contract. Still, works out fine for the Lakers.

Odom is gone for sure, and Gasol will be in demand.

Sounds like these were the best pieces to get overall, with an eye towards future deals.

Outside of that, I realize that this is about as good as it can get.

I wanted the Golden State deal with Curry, or the Clippers with Gordon. But those deals weren't happening, so this was the next best thing.

The only issue is CP3 on the Lakers. I've been swallowing vomit for the last 5 minutes.

>Outside of that, I realize that this is about as good as it
>can get.
>
>I wanted the Golden State deal with Curry, or the Clippers
>with Gordon. But those deals weren't happening, so this was
>the next best thing.
>
>The only issue is CP3 on the Lakers. I've been swallowing
>vomit for the last 5 minutes.

They should be moved to Seattle anyway.....

OK City should be moved to Seattle.

>OK City should be moved to Seattle.


OK City loves their B-Ball...They are rabid...NO really doesn't....

Some of the best crowds in the NBA from 2007-09. Management let the momentum slip.

The new brass has em back on the right track.

There are at least 5 worse markets in the league anyway.

>Some of the best crowds in the NBA from 2007-09. Management
>let the momentum slip.
>
>The new brass has em back on the right track.
>
>There are at least 5 worse markets in the league anyway.


I see those fans digging the team only when they have a competitive squad...But with OK City, you get the feeling that they would be screaming nutcases even for a Junior varsity team...

Big difference....

n/m

Sources tell ESPN that Houston Rockets remain part of Chris Paul talks and are in advanced discussions to receive Pau Gasol from Hornets

They have to be flipping for young assets/ picks. I would imagine that's why they're "informing other teams in the league." I wouldn't be surprised to see the wolves get in on this before it's done, seems like Khan has been in on every 3+ way deal in the last year. He got the Knicks to just give him Anthony Randolph in the Melo deal.

http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/144919599631183872

@WojYahooNBA
Adrian Wojnarowski
Hornets working to finalize details on 3-team deal to send Chris Paul to Lakers, Gasol to Rockets and Odom, KMart, Scola to NO, sources say.

>http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/144919599631183872
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>@WojYahooNBA
>Adrian Wojnarowski
>Hornets working to finalize details on 3-team deal to send
>Chris Paul to Lakers, Gasol to Rockets and Odom, KMart, Scola
>to NO, sources say.

This^^^^makes more sense.....

>>http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/144919599631183872
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>>@WojYahooNBA
>>Adrian Wojnarowski
>>Hornets working to finalize details on 3-team deal to send
>>Chris Paul to Lakers, Gasol to Rockets and Odom, KMart,
>Scola
>>to NO, sources say.
>
>This^^^^makes more sense.....
>

>>>http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/144919599631183872
>>>
>>>@WojYahooNBA
>>>Adrian Wojnarowski
>>>Hornets working to finalize details on 3-team deal to send
>>>Chris Paul to Lakers, Gasol to Rockets and Odom, KMart,
>>Scola
>>>to NO, sources say.
>>
>>This^^^^makes more sense.....


It makes sense because you keep Bynum....

U won't get Howard...Don't be greedy...U will have Kobe who will play for three more years, Paul (the best pure PG in the league) and a young center in Bynum, who will BLOSSOM playing with CP3...And I heard Ariza may be coming back...

Be happy...

>>>>http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/144919599631183872
>>>>
>>>>@WojYahooNBA
>>>>Adrian Wojnarowski
>>>>Hornets working to finalize details on 3-team deal to send
>>>>Chris Paul to Lakers, Gasol to Rockets and Odom, KMart,
>>>Scola
>>>>to NO, sources say.
>>>
>>>This^^^^makes more sense.....
>
>
>It makes sense because you keep Bynum....
>
>U won't get Howard...Don't be greedy...U will have Kobe who
>will play for three more years, Paul (the best pure PG in the
>league) and a young center in Bynum, who will BLOSSOM playing
>with CP3...And I heard Ariza may be coming back...
>
>Be happy...

and who are you talking to about being happy, murph?

This is me. I'm just hoping to minimize my misery.

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I'd be fine with that as a Laker Hater unless the other shoe dropped & Howard came here.

LOL @ a Bynum as an entire frontcourt.

Wrong K-Mart....

Only so the Lakers can offer to flip him with Bynum for Howard and Hedo. I doubt that deal even works, but I'm hearing it from a dude who's hearing it from ESPN.

>Only so the Lakers can offer to flip him with Bynum for
>Howard and Hedo. I doubt that deal even works, but I'm hearing
>it from a dude who's hearing it from ESPN.


Pipe dream...lol

Not sure if Ariza is involved but as of now it would essentially be KevMart, Scola, Dragic and Odom for CP3 and David West (who they have to renounce in order to make the deal work.)

Just terrible.

This trade is horrible for nawlins

>Not sure if Ariza is involved but as of now it would
>essentially be KevMart, Scola, Dragic and Odom for CP3 and
>David West (who they have to renounce in order to make the
>deal work.)
>
>Just terrible.
>

So they get Scola, Odom, and Kevin Martin for Paul who was going to walk at the end of the year otherwise and that's "terrible"?

>>Not sure if Ariza is involved but as of now it would
>>essentially be KevMart, Scola, Dragic and Odom for CP3 and
>>David West (who they have to renounce in order to make the
>>deal work.)
>>
>>Just terrible.
>>
>
>So they get Scola, Odom, and Kevin Martin for Paul who was
>going to walk at the end of the year otherwise and that's
>"terrible"?


And they are getting great draft picks...It's a great deal for New Orleans...It's only bad if you just wanted to keep CP3...But franchise wise? That's a damn good deal...

Serious conflict of interest, the NBA running the Hornets and trading their best player to a franchise the league needs to remain in the championship picture.

NY would have been the real conspiracy

Simmer down conspiracy theorists. Paul wasn't going to sign an extension with Boston.

As stands, we're way too thin in the front-court.

just don't see this helping them get Howard at all.

Howard
Hedo

for

Bynum
Blake
Walton (and he'll say he's gonna retire so instant cap relief)

...and that's just a shitty haul for the best big man around.

i'm more than happy to rape, pillage, and plunder for these guys. nothing like adding insult to injury :)

>...and that's just a shitty haul for the best big man around.

>Bynum
>Blake
>Walton (and he'll say he's gonna retire so instant cap
>relief)

I just don't see how this helps land Howard. He CAN'T sign as a FA either, so there goes that. I'm happy as shit with CP3 but...

That would have killed all leverage for Dwight.

he was helping them out laying low & that he'd be going somewhere for a deal that isn't absolutely horrible.

The Knicks gave up more for Melo than this bullshit even though he said he wanted to play only there.

CP3 blowing up his phone, Kobe blowing up his phone.....COME TO LA DWIGHT. All lights and eyes on you.

I'm not sure friendship is coming into play all that deeply, that seemed more like what CP3 to the Knicks would have been.

But I'd assume he as well as anyone realizes they ain't winning with them in the backcourt with just Bynum so they might as well go all in on Dwight.

Not to mention I have no idea how you pay for all three of those guys when Kobe's making $84 million the next three years, they've got dead weight salaries already & both CP3/D12 will want to sign their max-deals before the deal unless either just plans on bouncing in free agency next year.

Yep^^^^

Not everyone is you man! Multiple people have said Kobe was on the phone multiple times with CP3 last week, sounds friendly enough for me. And as far as the friends thing with Chandler, these dudes still all talk and have a connection.....and you know these new-jack superstars(w/ the exception of D Rose) all want to be on the same squads now lol.

Money wise, 5 billion over 25 years with the new cable deal. You can go over the cap to re-sign a player.

but being friends ain't a prerequisite otherwise nobdody would have played in LA for the past however many years.

I can tell you who offline if you really need to know.

The Lakers are gonna be so far over the tax that it's hard to see Buss doing it (plus there's zero left for anyone else, it would make Miami's squad around those three look like All-Stars) but on the other hand I don't see them going into the season with just Bynum or even without assurances from Howard he's gonna pull a Melo.

Because this move on its own doesn't make them a title team.

The next move (Socks & Scraps for Howard) makes it a reign of dominance.

deron?

>deron?

Nope...that's all but done...

Only way the salaries match in that deal is if one of them are included

because drew could then be flipped for a power forward and/or some depth to give us a more balanced team overall. oke is solid at center, just not quite worthy of that contract.

that would give us the most overall flexibility. of course, if the lakers are certain they could make a serious play for dwight then that wouldn't make sense. actually, i wonder if a sign and trade could be done with david west? obviously that would depend heavily on his current market value, but that would give us another piece to ship with bynum in an effort to land dwight, and it's good insurance if dwight winds up out of reach.

this could entice dwight to decide he wants to play for LA and tell orlando as much.

Even if he goes to free agency, where is he going to look to sign first?

to get something in return at least. If he's told Orlando he's not coming back, go ahead and pull off something at least.

And which team is he willing to re-sign with that also coincidentally has a young center who could be the center piece of a replacement package?

yeah, that sums it up though

>And which team is he willing to re-sign with that also
>coincidentally has a young center who could be the center
>piece of a replacement package?


Not true...Don't underestimate what New Jersey (Brooklyn) brings to the table...D.Wills has been getting at Howard on the low...

The real issue with getting Howard for the Lakers is Odom....He was the extra throw-in that made that deal work because of his contract...Now he's gone...It's not going to work with just Bynum and a throw-in...Not with his injury history...

I'm sure it more to it than that, but that's how I'm seeing it on the surface given that he's to them he's not resigning.

>I'm sure it more to it than that, but that's how I'm seeing
>it on the surface given that he's to them he's not resigning.


You would rather have Lopez, a cap space player (off the books...very important) and a gang of draft picks....Remember, New Jersey's deal is better than most...The issue is whether Dwight will stay...And trust me, D Wills can be the no. 1 reason to stay...

>You would rather have Lopez and cap space player (off the
>books) and a gang of draft picks....Remember, New Jersey's
>deal is better than most...The issue is whether Dwight will
>stay...And trust me, D Wills can be the no. 1 reason to
>stay...

That's hardly a vote of confidence man.

the Nets landing Howard...

>That's hardly a vote of confidence man.


U have to understand why he's doing it...It's a business formality...It's the only way he can get that extra $20 plus million by opting out and RESIGNING with the Nets or another team...

So that's not a sign of anything...

>>That's hardly a vote of confidence man.
>
>
>U have to understand why he's doing it...It's a business
>formality...It's the only way he can get that extra $20 plus
>million by opting out and RESIGNING with the Nets or another
>team...
>
>So that's not a sign of anything...

and a satchel of pubic hair.


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a team together and when you have players colluding which is actually against the rules

LOL @ dude breaking the Pujols and Paul deals first today. Hilarious tweets too.

entire frontline to do it....

they better hope they get Howard or else this trade I believe won't turn out to be as good as it appears on paper...

also, I want to see how Kobe is going to accept NOT having the ball in his hands most of the time now that Paul will be the team's primary ball handler and distributor.

Kobe won't have to work nearly as hard to get his points

is not going to be doing a lot of running around off screens/picks in order to get the ball and his shots...and w/a true pg that's what he'll have to do.

Kobe has NEVER @ any point in his career had to play off the ball, he's always been the one player on the Lakers who could create his own shot.

and now that Gasol is gone (and Odom), who's the 2nd scoring option? Bynum or Paul?

you cant double kobe and leave paul open bcuz he will kill you with his jumper or with the second pass

double team Kobe at this stage in his career...sure, he'll have gms where he goes off but he can't do it night in and night out any longer and just because it's a shortened season doesn't mean fatigue won't be a factor for them legs come playoff time w/all these back-to-back-to-back gms they league has scheduled...

they had old ass Kid and Marion who's no spring chicken taking turns guarding him...and if you force Paul to become a scorer, it neutralizes his strength which is to get other players involved.


>you cant double kobe and leave paul open bcuz he will kill
>you with his jumper or with the second pass

.

last year kobe was on skates against anybody good
and we all know CP3 is a turnstile who gets a few swipes every now and then

>last year kobe was on skates against anybody good
>and we all know CP3 is a turnstile who gets a few swipes every
>now and then


Huh? CP3 is one of the best defensive PG's in the league...What r u talking about?

strength, particularly against bigger guards like D-Will, who always works him over, and Chauncey who totally dominated him in the 2009 playoffs.


>>last year kobe was on skates against anybody good
>>and we all know CP3 is a turnstile who gets a few swipes
>every
>>now and then
>
>
>Huh? CP3 is one of the best defensive PG's in the
>league...What r u talking about?

CP3 is arguably a worse man defender than AI
seriously

>CP3 is arguably a worse man defender than AI
>seriously


I watch games...most observers call the dude one of the more better PG defenders...The catch? When he's healthy...

neither are good one on one defenders...

>>CP3 is arguably a worse man defender than AI
>>seriously
>
>
>I watch games...most observers call the dude one of the more
>better PG defenders...The catch? When he's healthy...
>
>

>strength, particularly against bigger guards like D-Will, who
>always works him over, and Chauncey who totally dominated him
>in the 2009 playoffs.
>
>
>>>last year kobe was on skates against anybody good
>>>and we all know CP3 is a turnstile who gets a few swipes
>>every
>>>now and then
>>
>>
>>Huh? CP3 is one of the best defensive PG's in the
>>league...What r u talking about?
>


Billups is damn near 6'4...That ain't impressive....

CP3 is not who you have to worry about defensively....He will be ok...I would be more worried about Kobe keeping up with those young ass SG's...

smaller guards like Tony Parker and I've seen Jameer Nelson have good gms against him...


Paul IS NOT the player you rely on to shut down the opposing team's point guard lol...

The Lakers didn't improve defensively by acquiring Paul, they improved offensively w/having better ball movement and a distributor w/a legit pg

>smaller guards like Tony Parker and I've seen Jameer Nelson
>have good gms against him...
>
>
>Paul IS NOT the player you rely on to shut down the opposing
>team's point guard lol...
>
>The Lakers didn't improve defensively by acquiring Paul, they
>improved offensively w/having better ball movement and a
>distributor w/a legit pg


So u saying he wouldn't be better defensively than Fisher who was so bad that Kobe was forced to guard PG's?....

Okay...lol

last season who was working Fisher over in the playoffs...that's where him being a defensively liability was exposed

I still see Paul having trouble guarding a Westbrook or a Toney Parker

and lets not forget that Kobe is no longer the defensive player he once was either

i fucking hated playing as the lakers before.

winning!

lakers ain't winning the chip right
This shit gotta be Chip or bust for the lakers even with out Howard
omg let CP3 still not be able to make the conf. finals (deron better)

totally devestated. almost crying on the phone interview.

I'd be mad if I were him, too.

gonna miss LO

But, it happens.

if he was as focused on his game as he was being a reality TV star things might have been different.

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You really didn't think you were getting included in *any* big deal they made?

He's just mad he's gonnna end up divorced & off the reality show now.

>totally devestated. almost crying on the phone interview.

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they own the team, aren't all personnel moves pending ownership approval? David Stern just might lose the last fan he has with this one.

And LMAO at some of y'all in here trying hard to keep agendas alive

It's like y'all are scared and in denial

NOPE save the plea coppin' paragraphs, cuz ain't nobody readin' em

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They'll never have the cap space (even if they don't pick up Bynum's option and amnesty Metta World Peace). Otis Smith would have to have a hard on for Bynum and agree to trade for him (essentially straight up).

Can't ever take away what they did for the team. Much love, so many memories, and 2 championships. Respect.

You guys frustrated me to no end on a lot of days. But you were consummate professionals, and were flat out amazing some nights.

I'm gonna miss those dudes.

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this is a TERRIBLE trade


do or die

under the cap to sign someone else...i'll take it..i loved scola..but fugg it..we rebuilding and got 2 1st round picks if we dont trade one away...

Who they seemed to like. Him or Chandler it seems.

id save that 13 million, be the worstteam in the league and draft Andre Drummond or some shit. Why half ass it. if you wanna scrap the team, scrap it all.

Obviously, in terms of talent alone, it's a phenomenal deal for LA.

But now they're relying HEAVILY on Bynum to stay healthy and they've given up their biggest advantage over most teams, which is their size. I feel like teams like OK City, Memphis, and Portland now matchup a little better with them. And the Celtics are golden since Rondo (if we can get his head back on straight) historically owns CP3 and he's going to be even more fired up this year.

i wanna see a few games before i get too happy
but i think ppl are going realize how important Pau's passing ability and post presence was for this team
plus is CP3 even totally healthy?
last year was a career low in scoring for him so......

there's no way he doesn't do well with the talent upgrade he's about to get around him in LA.

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When someone reports that everything is possible, he can't turn around and say, "See, I got it right!"

CP3 and Dwight.


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it basically just said the Lakers would explore either of the two most coveted guys on the trading block, which was the biggest 'no shit' news ever & not even worthy of being news until ESPN beat you over the head with it like it was.

He worded that with enough ambiguity that he didn't need both of them coming (which still isn't necessarily happening anyway) and all he had to do was say Mitch was putting in the same call a lot of other GMs were/are (difference being Mitch is the GM of the crown jewel franchise & in a place people wanna play with assets to trade).

I mean really why on earth Broussard deserves credit for that mushmouth vacillating he's done here & elsewhere all week I have no idea.

I'm friends with Chris. And he's told me who many of his sources are. He's not free styling fam. Trust. A lot of the cats ya'll love...are the ones freestyling.

His report wasn't vague. It was accurate and it reflected what we saw today.


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about saying that?

The problem with your logic is that the Lakers ARE going after both. And no one else was even thinking they'd go after both at the same time.


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He actually had confirmation that that was the plan. That's why.

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but ESPN was gonna make sure one of their guys 'broke' it?

I don't know.

I also don't know who thought they wouldn't do it but I'm not trying to slag on your boy, I just didn't particularly find anything he did here to be worthy of major credit let alone an 'apology'.

The whole thing got a 'no shit' from me in that OG post & we're still in the same place we were then with neither of those guys booking a flight to LAX.

Breaking news: big market team trying to acquire best available players!

Dude gets paid for that?

we know about Kobe
but didn't CP get Byron Scott fired over some beef shit?
add Bynum thinking his shit don't stink......

Im a fan of Bynum but dude is as dumb as a rock with severe learning disablities.

If you read up, the guy is terribly smart. He got into the league because his thinking ability impressed people. Do the research.

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of course i know jack shit about NBA economics (who does lol) so somebody explain to me why that matters.

as if it were a player worth that much

aka they could trade with a team who has a player they want and needs cap relief, and say, here's 8.9 million dollars

more basically, they can make a trade where salaries don't match and use the exception as a buffer, as an extreme hypothetical, something like Caracter + Walton for Rudy Gay

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changes it seems weird, but I'm happy. Pau and Lamar will be missed.
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how fucking epic would a lakers/heat finals be?

bron/dwade/bosh
kobe/cp3/dwight

holy fuck, that would be insane

>

This is a dumb ass trade

Golden rule that should never be broken: You never trade big for small.

This will backfire.

If Howard is acquired in the end, well, then you got something there...

But if they do not quantify their interior, no way are they going to be able to compete with OKC, Memphis and Dallas...Teams who got bodies for days

>Golden rule that should never be broken: You never trade big
>for small.

Jussayin.

Kobe is not going to be able to give them superior play anymore. The body and legs are gone. Plus Chris Paul has a knee issue that he is hiding. That is fact.

So you give up big bodies for an injury prone PG?

Like I said, if Howard is not the light at the end of the tunnel, then they are pushing themselves into a future of Ls and rebuilding.

a no defense playing PG who might not ever get back to his peak performance level due to injury
and really no one has any idea how effective kobe will be waiting around for the ball
very risky imo
imagine if they play OKC in a series. russy might avg. 35
and the versatility of odom or pau pulling OKC bigs out of the paint is not there

riiiiiiiiight....please guys....i am ok with the deal, I think more is coming...but ok with what it is right now. It saves me from cursing at Fish..and tired of waiting for Pau to get fired up...or Odom to show up when he wants....we weren't gonna win as we were..make changes. If nothing else, you are stocking for another good run in the future or cover for Kobe down the road...

on the future of paul's knee?

dude, do you know how fucked up his knee is?

espn reporter:


6. So what happens if Paul's knee goes wonky?

Don't even ask.

would indicate....

Kobe used the Celtics as an example. He brought up how they, too, were eliminated in the 2nd rd by the Magic the year after they won the championship and said it was due mainly because of fatigue having played year round basketball for 2 seasons...but that once they got some rest they returned back to the finals vs LA.

Kobe was adamant that LA could do the same since they've played nearly year round basketball for *3* seasons...

If they do not get Howard, it will go down as the worst trade ever.

An injury prone bynum
an injury prone paul - with a terrible, and I mean terrble ass knee.
an old superstar.
no power forward/center reserves.


That shit is insane.


Lakers are clearly gambling here ...If they get Howard, then it is a great ass trade

if not, FOH

this isn't even close.

naw

because look at where the GRiz are right now.

Did you not see Paul go HAM in the playoffs last year?!

smh

>smh


I see your point about them needing a Four...I agree...

But let's slow down on shitting on Paul....That dude almost single-handedly beat the Lakers last season...He was a problem...And his knee seemed cool and he was the dude asked to be the main guy...It will be different in LA, for at least the next 3 years...

Like I said, we can agree on the Lakers needing another big (Odom will be missed)...But Paul will make that team better in terms of ball spacing and ball movement...Especially with Bynum...

Ask Chandler how his career got resurrected....

if they get Howard, I'm going Silky Johnson this year.

Orlando has no options... D12 is walking otherwise. He wants to play in LA...


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it's not happening. accept it: to get the best PG in the world, the lakers ensured that they will never get a rebound again.

AI is broke and a Applebee's cook...
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what was that league in the 80s that didn't allow players over 6'4"?

you would all kill that league.

the nba in 2012? not so much.

frontcourt w/ no follow up plan?

we just saw chris paul force a garbage ass trade due to refusing to re-sign w/ the clippers and warriors (both of whom could have offered a better package). dwight can easily do the same and force otis smith's hand to either s&t him to LA for garbage or walk for nothing.

i feel like the lakers don't make this move w/out prior assurance from dwight.

and start a reality show around his life collecting 15 rebounds by day while searching for that elusive single rebound by night

Call it Hump Around the USA

surprise cameo by Kris & Khloe at the practice facility demanding Humphries give Odom his job back

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..and miles to go before i sleep...

awesome.

Guess we go into full rebuild mode.

Sign Nene? Why?

Pau and Nene...real fuckin scary


Whos gonna score from the perimeter? Courtney Lee and Chase Budinger?

This team makes the playoffs even w/o Dwight - look at what CP3 did in the postseason with NO Kobe and NO Bynum.

Now?


Heads are going to explode!!!!

#TeamKupchak

>look at what
>CP3 did in the postseason with NO Kobe and NO Bynum.
>

The Nets will get Howard...

they can absorb Hedo's contract, plus Brook Lopez is more durable than Bynum and he cost a lot less, and they can offer draft picks.

They have more chips to offer

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so long MVPau. LOL.

710 just broke in with CP3 is going to be starting camp with the Hornets, owners are protesting & since the league currently owns the Hornets that CP3 may not be going anywhere.

@WojYahooNBA: NBA owners have pushed David Stern to kill the deal sending Chris Paul to the Lakers

with Mark Stein's report.

I don't know that I've heard the tenor of local radio hosts change that quickly ever.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/losangeles/play?s=la

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@WojYahooNBA NBA owners have pushed commissioner David Stern to kill the deal sending Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers

they hatin lmao

The Hornets are owned collectively by all 29 other teams.

It might not be the best package but it's a fair enough deal.

they put a nigga (idk his name) in charge and told him to act as he saw fit.

the league is bullshitting.

they mad cause the lakers mastered the trade market.

>they mad cause the lakers mastered the trade market.

howard

to build a winner. How about those 6ers?

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/losangeles/play?s=la

he's mentally shattered. he can barely talk.

that nigga sounded borderline suicidal

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One source close to the three-team Chris Paul trade talks just told ESPN.com: "The deal is off."

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>ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
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>told ESPN.com: "The deal is off."


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Too funny....lol

Cigars/Champagne & Celebration to screwfaces and headscratchin' ... the air is still thick right now, the floor is still wet but the party is no longer poppin' off ...

Thank God it snowed*.

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*Just hope that it doesn't result in LA getting DHoward, now THAT would be scary. Would rather the CP3 trade passes.

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to know who killed the deal and what the fuck for. Owners hating that brazenly?

>to know who killed the deal and what the fuck for. Owners
>hating that brazenly?


Probably the smaller market teams...There were a few though....

Shit is hilarious...

when the guy who always wins makes a good trade, and the jealous hater owners who can't beat him veto the trade just because it's the champ.

there's nothing inherently unfair about this deal.

we bout to win again and niggas got they panties in a bunch.

and, look, if a trade goes through for just bynum for howard, then i'll believe dynasty Whatever.0 was pre-empted by this. as it was, you were too small, and you can't fill that gap with the Okafors and mid-levels of the world. teams with cheap bigs don't win.

that said, this is still just sour grapes. the lakers gave up plenty to get this guy. they were probably worse after the trade than before it. and yet the owners just hated.

Socks & Scraps for the best center of his generation, you just can't.

That's the deal I'd hate on, this one on its face is fine.

And then sign Billups to the MLE.

This is just fucked. I didn't think the owners could make themselves look worse after the lockout but they never cease to amaze me.

.

Are they not going to explain what their excuse is?

i agree.

Two things I'm hearing.

not gasol and odom, and definitely not bynum and odom.

Only the framework had been agreed upon....I mean, LO said that he hadn't even been contacted which tells me there def still some details to be worked out.

feeling almost bad for dude (because he is a good dude even if we all know this is business) and then remind myself DUDE IS STILL A LAKER.

This is a weird evening.

lol

But yeah, I don't know how you could OK another trade unless it was something like Dwight for CP3 (which even then is worse because Dwight would be gone in a year.)

because if they're depending on backcourt plus Bynum to carry them that shit has FAIL writteen all over it.

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Y'all dudes are/were as shook/MAD as the owners were.

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This shit is the equivalent to a broke as bytch hating on their girlfriends who got a man.

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>HotFiyaStarter FiyaStarter
>This shit is the equivalent to a broke as bytch hating on
>their girlfriends who got a man.


LOL....

http://www.mclol.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/pimped-out-chappelle1.jpg

Phil can absolutely run the point better than Fischer.

http://youtu.be/7d_ToCL9nSY

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Fuck trading Rondo for a guy who will walk out into a Boston winter every day thinking, "It's probably t-shirt weather in LA right now."

Stern fucked up.

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Mitch didn't call either Pau or Lamar saying they had been traded....Lamar even said it, the deal isn't for sure yet.

Who essentially HAVE to be traded, because they know they're "not wanted". Definitely Odom, probably Pau. Yet everyone now KNOWS that so you can't get max value for them. If you keep em, they play like bitches. I've said the team as constructed was fine, but not once this news got out.

Both will react very adversely to the trade talks, but they are also two guys who will listen. It's different once these guys get into camp and you have Kobe, Fish and co. getting in their ear about proving themselves and reminding everyone why they shouldn't be traded.

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oh nevermind lol

>oh nevermind lol

like... there is no other word for it. cockblocking a team that had something to offer? shit, the Lakers were about to bet the farm on CP3.

even after the lockout ends...

People tweeting that GMs are lauding the haul that Demps got for CP3.

Seriously, is he going to get a better offer than Bynum, Scola, KevMart, and picks?

<--- Mmmmmmmmmmmmuah!

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this shit smell kinda fishy to me.

>WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
>Several GM's were lauding the haul of players and the draft
>pick that Demps was able to get back for Chris Paul in the
>deal. Now what?
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>negotiate the Chris Paul trade without interference, sources
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>9 minutes ago
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>stunning, heavy-handed move from the commissioner's office,
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>12 minutes ago
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>this shit smell kinda fishy to me.

he is not gonna resign, so why block the trade?

this does not make sense.

The trade was a legal trade, maybe not a logical one, but nonetheless, it was a legal trade.

http://t.co/o5KIc1wu

I really think this trade was killed for showbiz reasons .....I really do believe that.

http://twitter.com/#!/Mike_Bresnahan/status/144971691683094528

They completely fucked up and are trying to make it seem like they didn't. I wouldn't be stunned if they go begging to the Lakers to come out and say that they walked away from the deal.

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and being okay with backing out of this?

to find any reason why this wasn't an absolute cock block by jealous, incompetent owners

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like this:
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why don't the lakers,hornets and magic just do a three-way trade?

and kill three birds with one stone??

wah wah wah wah wah we got kobe and shaq and gasol for free... now we can't get the best point guard in the past 20 years for a big man that we all hate and a 6th man

we had a suspect backcourt, now we got a great backcourt back. i don't know 1 laker fan who was pleased with the deal. odom/gasol for howard is fine. no one wanted cp3 for gasol/odom

Can't say I blame him, that team was looking dreadful.

That had nothing to do with it...lol

Lakers trying to save face...Acting like they were the ones to pull out because they wanted another big man...

But the truth is the owners (who ALL own the Hornets...) wasn't down with it...So it looks like Paul aint going no where until the end of the season...

Unless he lands at a shitty place and not a contender....

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handshake deals ain't shit.
The owners of the team (David Stern) rejected the deal.

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If the owners want to stop these type of deals they could have votetd for a franchise tag... they didn't.. new CBA doesn't have it...


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from now until the time its sold.

picked that dude up during the lockout, he puts out really good stuff on there.

what a cluster-fuck created by these fools.

How can you let outsiders who have no part of the day to day operations interfere with a deal done by the GM responsible for the team. It's absolutely fucking asinine and I hope the blow-back is as severe as possible.

>what a cluster-fuck created by these fools.
>
>How can you let outsiders who have no part of the day to day
>operations interfere with a deal done by the GM responsible
>for the team. It's absolutely fucking asinine and I hope the
>blow-back is as severe as possible.


when u all have a stake in team, u can do whatever u want...

the issue isn't the owners hating...it's the NBA thinking it was smart to own a team...

Demps had not been interfered with at all during the negotiations. It's ridiculous.

I can't even say if I like the deal or not (depends on the subsequent moves) but this is bs on principle.

It's gotta be.. the agendas man.. the agendas..
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laker fan or laker hater, we can all argee this is bs.

I actually look forward to the NBA season because of OKP. Shit gets so real when hoop season starts..

As for this trade, yep the league on some bullshit!
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Is that allowed?

>Is that allowed?

yeah, agendas on here is the best thing about the NBA to me

We do love gossipy drama here.

shit is about to get real.

CP3 is also not showing up to camp tomorrow

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for this unfair labor bs.

if I had just bought a stake in a business, worked hard to grow that business (10k season tix sold) and then that business turned around and gave up the most valuable asset it had, I could see how that would upset me.

not to mention the obvious -- to anyone outside of LA, Paul to the Lakers by an NBA owned team looks seriously fishy, too.

but what they have now is probably worse. *shrugs* I don't give a fuck, really. it's an obvious problem to have a league owned team, but if they didn't do that, they'd have a team in bankruptcy, so really which is worse? no idea.

it renders whatever value he brings to the hornets moot.

that's straight up hustling backwards

Dell Demps has the long-term interests of the Hornets in mind, that's why he found this trade.

NBA ownership just wants to insure the gate stays healthy while they find someone to take the team over. losing Chris Paul runs directly counter to that.

fans arent interested in seeing a lame duck team with a superstar counting the days until he can go to LA.

it's different than the Bron/Cleveland situation because they were one of the 2 or 3 favorites to win it all. the Hornets are cannon fodder for the west.

people buy tickets for reasons besides how competitive the team is.

if the team secured 10k season ticket accounts, how many of those would balk if Paul got shipped for players they don't like?

I've seen Oakland sell out despite being a losing team, because people loved the players. I've also seen the Blazers fail to sell despite having a playoff team, because people hated the players so much. trading Chris Paul hurts more than keeping an unhappy Chris Paul.

and once he's gone, price will drop more and be harder to sell.

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because all of these concerns could've been alleviated if they actually addressed them during the lockout.

i'm just surprised we got back to this point so soon

I have not seen sports management lead themselves into such disaster, so quickly, as the NBA has done these past 3 mos. franchise values league wide are surely being adjusted downwards as we speak.

Why wasn't this addressed in the CBA if it it's such an important issue? If owners or Stern don't want players dictating then why not push for a franchise tag and not push so hard on the revenue split? It's absolutely fucking asinine.

CP3 is navigating within the system, and a system which was JUST ratified again....and Stern wants to circumvent that now? Fuck that bs.

>Why wasn't this addressed in the CBA if it it's such an
>important issue? If owners or Stern don't want players
>dictating then why not push for a franchise tag and not push
>so hard on the revenue split? It's absolutely fucking
>asinine.
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>CP3 is navigating within the system, and a system which was
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Because no one in their right mind would have ever believed that the Lakers could trade Odom for a franchise caliber player...lol

That's reason enough for some owners...

And this was completely foreseeable considering Melo did it LAST SEASON and all the talk about how Dwight could potentially do the exact same thing.

>And this was completely foreseeable considering Melo did it
>LAST SEASON and all the talk about how Dwight could
>potentially do the exact same thing.



i know...that was a typo....i forgot gasol....

but the hate stems from another big market getting a franchise player...lol...those owners look like damn fools now...

Specifically, the owners getting the favorable share of the BRI.

If the owners wanted the "franchise tag," they could have said, "Okay, players get 53% of the BRI, but we want a franchise tag." They decided that money was paramount. And here we sit.

http://twitter.com/#!/RealLamarOdom/status/144982136313745408

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oh, wait

fuck

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2011/12/lamar-odom-admitted-that-he-was-shocked-and-surprised-when-told-he-had-been-traded-by-the-lakers-to-the-new-orl.html

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nm

http://twitpic.com/7qkfa6

REALLY??

still, this was setting up to be the lakers trading three good players for two of the ten best players in the association like the highest level of pro basketball was some cheap ass fantasy league. i can see their reservations.

that deal is ridiculous. it's so ridiculous it never would have happened, but whatever. if it did, that's the trade you veto for the interest of the league.

this deal? the lakers lost on this deal. at best it's a break even. you can't veto this.

just...fucking up all over the place.

and then trotted out Tim Frank for this:


NBA spokesman Tim Frank said it was "not true" that owners killed the deal. "It wasn't even discussed at the board meeting," he said. "The league office declined to make the trade for basketball reasons."

BASKETBALL REASONS?

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I was vehemently against cp3 coming to NY unless the trade truly helped NO. You know, cause we had a whole lockout about how the little guy was getting fucked by the big teams.

And the Hornets, seeing what happened in Utah and Denver, and what's going on in Orlando, DID THE RIGHT THING.

Did due dilligence, and came away with three high level players who sum is greater than their parts. Odom, Scola, Martin? Ask the dudes who check them if they can play. They can. respectable haul for Cp3

and now this dumb fucker comes in and kills it. NOW where does Chris go? Is it better for New Orleans to watch a guy play every game with his house for sale and his shit in boxes waiting to go?

Not to mention 29 year old Tyson Chandler is getting 15 million a season.

We really had a lockout for nothing.

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damn shame

Chris Paul wants to play for the Lakers.....

it's that simple.

either the Hornets get nothing...... or they get something..

Chris Paul wants to be a Laker...

Why???

Because we are the greatest professional sports organization in the history of American sports...

period...



you got a salary cap...you got revenue sharing...you got luxuray taxes...

this ain't baseball...

One thing you can't legislate is a guys desire to want to play where and for whom he wishes...

it makes a lot of fukkin people mad..

but we are the best..

period..

there is no way around it..

this will be one of the all time bitch moves in sports if this is blocked by a commisioner...WITH a salary cap in place...

If I'm Chris Paul..... I refuse to report to camp tommorow and I'm in a court with my lawyer saying that David Stern is blocking my civil right to earn a living where I want to earn a living..

fukk this.

>Because we are the greatest professional sports organization
>in the history of American sports...
>

lol

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>>Because we are the greatest professional sports organization
>>in the history of American sports...
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>lol


yeah...u beat me to it...

>
>Chris Paul wants to play for the Lakers.....


He WANTS to play for the Knicks.

He'll TAKE playing for the Lakers.

First, you have TWO consecutive work stoppages under your watch. So your original deal was so shitty that you had to stop work again during the next CBA negotiations.

Then as soon as you save the season and get some momentum, you have this clusterfuck.

How does this guy continue to evade any criticism?

traded Chris Webber to the Kings for Mitch Richmond and Otis Thorpe?

Ugh

Talk about an agenda? Holy smokes!!! How you going to Veto a trade to the Lakers and approve a trade to someone else? David Stern is a bitch made motherfucker!! Chris Paul is pissed and should sue this motherfucker. Yeah i am pissed and would be upset if this happened to any other team. What a complete joke?

I guess he really needs LeChoke and his homies to win at least one chip. He better veto any trade involving Chris Paul unless it's to the Cavaliers or Raptors. Competitive balance BULLSHIT!!!

FOH, dude, i can see bitching about this particular move but making it out to sound like the league hasn't slurped the lakers and let them get away with bullshit is absurd.

David Stern has seriously crossed the line here, and the players need to draw a line in the sand right now.

If a player wants to play for a team...he should be able to.

when Melo picked his team, no one stopped him...just saying

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Dude was on there bs'ing about how the deal was rejected because of the fairness of the deal lol and that the league office didn't interfere earlier because they were busy with other things. The NBA is pulling out all the guns in trying to make this seem like it was an actual basketball decision.

is it better for new orleans to just let chris paul walk after the season is over? i'm trying to figure out who this was unfair to?

as a laker fan, this wasn't even a great deal for the lakers.

Mitch has proven his cred as a GM obviously...there's no way he's going into a season with just Drew in the front-court. I've heard that we may have also been getting D West in a sign and trade.

league saw the reaction to the heat last year, now sees the lake show setting up to paul and howard and they freaked out to shoot it down.

i aint mad!

c

and how it looked after the CBA and they didn't want small teams getting leveraged by players and big teams... so they rejected the deal so now Paul can leave via free agency and leave the Hornets with nothing.

>and how it looked after the CBA and they didn't want small
>teams getting leveraged by players and big teams... so they
>rejected the deal so now Paul can leave via free agency and
>leave the Hornets with nothing.

cuz what do they care about the long-term competitive prospects of the Hornets? they just want to make sure the arena is as full as possible during the period they're realizing the revenues on it.

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if the largest debt obligation at the organization is the player salaries, why would they try to INCREASE that while REDUCING REVENUE prior to a sale? better to just hand it over to a prospective buyer with better revenue reports and smaller wage obligations, let them take over and begin building themselves.

>Dude was on there bs'ing about how the deal was rejected
>because of the fairness of the deal lol and that the league
>office didn't interfere earlier because they were busy with
>other things. The NBA is pulling out all the guns in trying
>to make this seem like it was an actual basketball decision.


they r already cooking up the story....they got the lakers saying they wanted another big...lol

paul is going to sue the fuck out of the nba...

this will be a legal cluster fuck...

shit about to get real....

Sue for what?

There's no grounds to sue.

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Cmon.

the deal was ram-rodded thru last second to save bball on xmas day. it's just fighting over money, every word uttered about "parity" or "competitive balance" or whatever else is pure dogshit from whomever says it.

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'Cause I think the league is corny for this, but the righteous indignation by Lakers is going from funny to kind of pathetic.

I mean, seriously, people are calling for Stern to retire over THIS? He does all sorts of questionable shit for years, but after this, it's "I've had all I can stand, but I can't stands no more"? Really? You'll have to forgive me if I don't take y'all seriously.

this is complete bullshit and you know it
especially since..

a. other gms applauded the deal, so clearly no wasn't getting fleeced
b. the lakers gave up so much that fans and reporters alike questioned whether the lakers gave up too much
c. hell, even haters were a little happy because it didn't look like a good deal for the lakers on the face of things
d. there was zero interference from the concerned owners until it was agreed upon in principle

you know good and well this isn't just some case of an entitled brat made because things didn't go his way for once (hence your winklevy reference).

anger is completely justifiable for this.

You know any fan base (and it's more than just Laker fans in here) would be angry over something like this, and you know it's completely justified.

latimes.com:

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Lamar Odom in 'disbelief' after nearly being traded to Hornets
December 8, 2011 | 8:00 pm

Lamar Odom is still a Laker, but he doesn't sound completely thrilled about it.

Odom admitted that he was “shocked” and “surprised” when told Thursday afternoon that the Lakers agreed to trade him to the New Orleans Hornets as part of a deal for point guard Chris Paul. But this evening when he heard that the NBA had killed the trade, Odom said he was in “total disbelief” over these new developments.

Odom and Pau Gasol had been part of a three-team deal: Paul was coming to the Lakers, Odom was going to the Hornets and Gasol was going to the Houston Rockets, who were going to send Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic and draft picks to the Hornets.

But NBA commissioner David Stern, reportedly under pressure from the same owners that just ratified the new collective bargaining agreement, killed the deal. The Hornets are owned by the NBA; the league said they rejected the Paul "trade for basketball reasons."

“I guess that means I’m a Laker if the trade didn’t go through,” a somber Odom said in a phone interview with The Times. “I don’t know what to do for the Lakers. I’m even weirded out by the league doing what they did. I don’t know what to do.”

Odom said he thought it was “a lie” when he was first told about the trade to New Orleans.

“And then it doesn’t go through,” Odom said. “Oh, lord. I don’t know what I’m going to do. I’ll pray about it.”

The Lakers open training camp Friday at their facility in El Segundo.

“Maybe I’ll see you there tomorrow (at practice),” Odom said. “But I doubt it. You don’t want to go to no place you’re not wanted. I’ll try to give them what they want as much as possible.”

Odom also felt bad for Gasol.

“Imagine how Pau feels,” Odom said. “Pau came to the Lakers and played here for four years, went to the Finals and lost, won two NBA championships and then got swept (by the Dallas Mavericks this year). Wow! Imagine how he must feel.

“Man, I’m just in total disbelief about all of this,” Odom continued. “They don’t want my services, for whatever reason. I don’t know what I’m supposed to do. I was proud to be a Laker, so I’ll try to help them in the process as much as possible."

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Cmon.

get a hold of yourself, LO.

http://twitter.com/#!/KevinDing/status/145000066128674816

http://twitter.com/#!/Mike_Bresnahan/status/145000327756791808

to start eating vaseline-flavored gummi bears on webcam later to be shown on E! network.

>to start eating vaseline-flavored gummi bears on webcam later
>to be shown on E! network.

He was pretty down about it. He was also talking to Marc(Gasol) about his family and all the chaos that comes with a potential upheaval.

http://twitter.com/#!/KevinDing/status/145001623972884480

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giving up LO is too much IMO

just the audacity of Stern to block it..

didn't say shit a few year ago with muthafukkas were basiclly trading guys for themselves just to try and compete with the Lakers (ie. make a trade then the team cuts the guy and he re-signs with the team that traded him)...

but now you want to veto something..

The NBA players should simply refuse to report tommorow....

You know, I get the owners being assholes.

Fine.

But tell the GM "don't trade Paul if a superstar isn't involved" PRIOR to working on anything if you really give a damn. Don't come in at the last minute and Mutombo the shit.

It was some spineless vindictive shit to do and Stern shoulda been more rational when discussing it with the owners and the owners shoulda been more prudent before the negotiations opened up about what they expected to get for Chris.

this some bull...and I'm not sure how the league gets repaired after this.

I just lost about 25% of my enthusiasm for this season. I mean, no I don't wanna see Kobe/CP3/Bynum either but as with the lockout, the owners/Stern weren't proactive on purpose in order to prove a point.

SMH

^^^^^^^U hit it on the head...


And this is not about the Lakers crying fans (get over y'all selves)....It's about what this move by Stern means for the NBA overall...

Not good...

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As one rival executive with strong ties to the league office said, “Stern cared about two things: Selling that franchise for the best possible price; and showing the players that they weren’t going to dictate where teams could trade them. But now, there’s no way that the league can allow Chris Paul to be traded at all, otherwise Stern is basically deciding where one of the top players in the league is going versus having any fair process.”

Officials from New Orleans, Houston and Los Angeles were stunned Thursday night. The killed trade had ripple affects everywhere in free agency and potential trades, and literally pushed the market into paralysis on the even of training camps opening up.

“We were all told by the league he was a trade-able player, and now they’re saying that Dell doesn’t have the authority to make the trade?” said an NBA executive who had periodic talks with New Orleans throughout the process. “Now, they’re saying that Dell is an idiot, that he can’t do it his job. (Expletive) this whole thing. David’s drunk on power, and he doesn’t give a (expletive) about the players, and he doesn’t give a (expletive) about the hundreds of hours the teams put into make that deal.

“How do the Lakers explain this to Odom? How does Houston deal with the guys it just tried to trade? Scola and Martin are going to be pissed at them, and who knows how long that takes to get over? Explain to me how the league kills this Pau Gasol deal, but allows Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol?

“To me, this makes the league feel like it’s rigged, that Stern just does whatever Stern wants to do. He’s messed up the competitive balance of this league a lot worse by killing the deal, because you’ve completely destroyed the planning that New Orleans, Houston did and left them in shambles over this. I’ve never been so discouraged about this league, never so down.

“I mean, come on: Chris Paul is leaving New Orleans in 66 games. He’s gone. And what’s Dell Demps, and that franchise, going to have to show for it?”

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back after being essentially shown the door.

nice.

not even because we're not getting Paul. It's the fact that this shit went on for over a week. To allow this to be put all the way out there before nixing it is some bullshit.

I'm stunned.

who could ever have guessed?

like most laker fans, but this just completely soured me as well for this season right now.

move. But by itself it was a fair value trade. Regardless, it would have been nice to have this be nixed before my dude LO gets on radio crying about leaving and having meltdowns on twitter

and a young guard with potential wasn't enough? seriously? considering the team he was going to gave up an all star and the reigning 6th man of the year, who is a starter on any other team?

i mean, really? that take is such a bad deal? it's the best one submitted throughout this process.

we all know that any team not named the lakers or knicks would have been able to complete

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/12/08/the-nba-owners-are-trying-to-kill-the-chris-paul-to-the-lakers-trade/

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-nba_dan_gilbert_email_lakers_hornets_trade_120811

he's got a point about the cap space. It's still bullshit though.

>he's got a point about the cap space. It's still bullshit
>though.

you can't force the lakers to pay a luxury tax - its there for the purpose of discouraging teams to go over the cap. and of course the lakers are shedding salary, they are trading their #2 and arguably #3 players in return for one player. he is just mad he got nothing for lebron.

aspect of it before. Not that makes the deal lopsided and worthy of nixing. If the lakers were Memphis or indiana, the trade goes down.

to shore up their depleted front court

At some point, if they're keeping all three, Paul and Howard are getting $18-$21mil deals. Kobe's keeping his $25. And then you're CRUSHING the cap and sitting right below luxury tax territory by one or two quality players with just three guys on your roster.

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the deal allows the Lakers to avoid the tax, meaning it results in a drop to the revenue share the small market teams just secured. it also helps the Lakers competitively, by most estimations, and increases the wage bill in NO.

so basically it costs $$ for the other 28 owners, by shrinking their revenue share, by hurting the ticket sales in NO, and by increasing their wage obligations in NO as well.

Dan Gilbert isn't wrong in protecting his self-interest here, but that's why the league shouldn't own a team in the 1st place.

>the deal allows the Lakers to avoid the tax, meaning it
>results in a drop to the revenue share the small market teams
>just secured. it also helps the Lakers competitively, by most
>estimations, and increases the wage bill in NO.
>
>so basically it costs $$ for the other 28 owners, by shrinking
>their revenue share, by hurting the ticket sales in NO, and by
>increasing their wage obligations in NO as well.

the lakers are shedding two players for one. they obviously needed to get more players to make their front court competitive.

>Dan Gilbert isn't wrong in protecting his self-interest here,
>but that's why the league shouldn't own a team in the 1st
>place.

lets be frank - he is mad, as was mark cuban. they are using the fact that they own the team as an excuse.

>lets be frank - he is mad, as was mark cuban. they are using
>the fact that they own the team as an excuse.

I don't care who you are, if you think a company you own a stake in is making a decision which will cost you money, why the fuck would you just passively sit by and let that happen? I mean, even if he figured out it was just going to cost him $50k, why not make a stink? that money could potentially cover the cost of an add'l ticket sales staff in Cleveland, and Gilbert should just give that away for free?

stack players and pay a penalty or lose players and stay under. you can't force the lakers to stay in the luxury tax and depend on that income.

thats the whole point of the fucking system in the first place!

>I don't care who you are, if you think a company you own a
>stake in is making a decision which will cost you money, why
>the fuck would you just passively sit by and let that happen?
>I mean, even if he figured out it was just going to cost him
>$50k, why not make a stink? that money could potentially
>cover the cost of an add'l ticket sales staff in Cleveland,
>and Gilbert should just give that away for free?

he doesn't have a say in how the other teams want to run their organization. if the lakers want to shed salary and become less competitive in the process (which this trade does), thats their right.

and if you didn't want paul going to the lakers, then you should have fucking said something about it before you allowed your GM to shop him to the lakers.

>stack players and pay a penalty or lose players and stay
>under. you can't force the lakers to stay in the luxury tax
>and depend on that income.
>
>thats the whole point of the fucking system in the first
>place!

the basketball management of the Hornets wanted to do this deal (and they were right). the ownership didn't, because it helped a competitor while hurting their primary interest (their non-Hornets ownership) as well. it's like giving shit for free to the enemy, why do that if you can stop it? the owners got Stern to stop it here, so LA will have to find another trade partner if they want to improve.

>
>the basketball management of the Hornets wanted to do this
>deal (and they were right). the ownership didn't, because it
>helped a competitor while hurting their primary interest
>(their non-Hornets ownership) as well. it's like giving shit
>for free to the enemy, why do that if you can stop it? the
>owners got Stern to stop it here, so LA will have to find
>another trade partner if they want to improve.

in the first place. demps checked with the league repeatedly during this whole process to make sure it was ok.

we'll see.

lakers are appealing the decision, but the league says they can't appeal because it was the hornet's decision...that points to collusion - so something is not right here.

man. that approach is just WRONG.
you hate by throwing the money on the table, not like this.

Of course we were going to see an instant reduction in salary with how contracts are structured. However, the trade basically dictated that our team salary would subsequently increase because we would have to add one, if not more, front-court players.

And he's calling Demps' handling of Chris Paul a "travesty"?

If he could, he'd be more than happy to get even Scola, KevMart, and Odom for LeBron instead of getting embarrassed on national television.

Why's he all up in Jerry Buss' purse, so to speak?

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Cmon.

I run everytime a trade happens. Same hyperbole and everything.

Pretty much how every horrible email I've ever gotten at work has ever ended.

if this guy were your boss, you'd look for another job too.

myopic self-interested delusional dickheads like this at the helm of these quickenloanshark sheisty-ass shops.

the easiest way to understand what's happening in the NBA is to read Michael Lewis' last two books, as far as I'm concerned.

Dan Gilbert is a turdburglar. Certified. Indefensible.

LeBron is basically Donovan McNabb per the SPM Doctrine until further notice; he's not gonna be Reggie White no matter how much you spin that shit. He's a career backpedaler and passive aggressive choke artist who brought some great basketball to a team that is forever mismanaged. Until he gets like Kobe and stops giving a fuck about what people think about him, then you're going to see that Finals appearance over and over again.

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Cmon.

it would seem LJ wasn't enough for you guys to avoid 4's with back issues, but apparently not.

....and its KILLING you ...the rest of the league is LOVING this shit right here ..fuck all you cry baby Laker fans, you'll be right off the bandwagon if you miss the playoffs twice

how will the league handle that?

disclaimer - this does come via broussard

and he's set a precedent that they don't want players dictating where they go or small markets losing players to bigger markets.

no matter what bullshit justifications they give, this deal was canceled because the only team it helped was LA + Houston, but they are only 2 of the 29 owners of the Hornets.

>no matter what bullshit justifications they give, this deal
>was canceled because the only team it helped was LA + Houston,
>but they are only 2 of the 29 owners of the Hornets.

you can not honestly say that this deal didn't work out for the hornets. if they had a better offer on the table, they would have took it - and they had multiple offers on the table for paul.

And the only reason they got Kyrie is because LA fucked up. They'd be completely fucked it not for that.

But I'm living on the other end of it and it sucks. New Orleans has to do something to get a return for CP3.

He fucked himself and is now looking at his owners and saying, "Well, I fucked myself so let's fuck over this team none of us really care about to make sure Jerry Buss and the Lakers don't get a good player and save some money."

It's bullshit.

Even they know that citing money makes them look like petty jealous bitches so they're trying to spin it as "basketball reasons".

as a laker fan, i wasn't particularly fond of this trade, so i'm not upset about it getting nixed.

its the fact that owners are pulling a complete bull shit move that is upsetting. this has nothing to do with money and everything to do with small market teams blocking this move.

you know if paul was going to milwaukee, this shit would not get nixed.

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ESPN ticker this morning says Stern is saying "more valuable" to have Paul in NO, sooo ... my interpretation last night was 100% correct? because I saw THRU the bullshit they were saying last night? just because I see their motivation doesn't mean I agree. they can offer whatever reason they want, but I'm going to believe it's because they are worried about their investment in New Orleans.

with nothing in return?

let the new owners take on whatever contracts they want, the NBA is saying we're not taking on any further debt obligations (i.e. expensive contracts that extend beyond this year). they could give a fuck if this makes the Hornets uncompetitive, anybody looking to invest will be considering many, many factors besides just the '11-12 / '12-13 W-L records.

You vetoed that deal? Well look at the shit Orlando's getting for me.

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Clearly this is not an organization concerned about its future or winning basketball games. Until it is sold, I don't believe it's in players' best interests to align their futures with this club.

in other words, if a deal were to be struck that would put the hornets in a position to win big, the owners can conceivably knock that down as well. this is a clusterfuck and a huge conflict of interest for a ton of reasons. teams have the power to cockblock a deal that can improve a rival team. i wonder if there is a legit legal issue ther.e

Odom and Gasol are on the other side of their careers and would never be a key piece to help either Houston or New Orleans go deep in the playoffs. And as Gilbert said, the Lakers would get a top 3 pg and clear major cap space.

The lockout was "supposed" to be to help the smaller market teams have a better chance of competing and increasing revenue. This trade would have only made it even tougher for teams out West to compete, especially if the Lakers would make more transactions for a quality 4 man and help gain depth.

Yeah; it sucks, because in theory Paul should be able to go where he chooses and Odom, Gasol, Scola, etc now find themselves in the awkward situation of having to come back to teams that wanted to trade them. But that Paul trade wouldn't help out the league at all, and we're talking about a time right now where the NBA's future earnings and fan interest are in limbo after this lockout.
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play out. This was probably the best deal available for Paul.

Now you run the risk of them not finding another fair trade partner and losing Paul for nothing.

>play out. This was probably the best deal available for
>Paul.
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>Now you run the risk of them not finding another fair trade
>partner and losing Paul for nothing.



Yeah...this^^^^^

How do we know if that was the best available deal and not Paul accepting it because it was the Lakers?
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Obviously there aren't a lot of other teams willing to give up pieces for Paul if he's not going to sign an extension with them. I don't know why you threw that in there like every deal won't be contingent upon that.

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You're inferring that Chris Paul will not do a sign and trade with any team outside of the Lakers. And I call bullshit.
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why are you trying to bring it here too?
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That implied he wasn't willing to sign an extension with them.
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this guy's a complete joke

besides the Knicks or the Lakers..

you must not be paying attention to what is going on if you don't know that.

he has tunnel vision like few others

see how Stern's legacy and the NBA's reputation hold up after that

I believe they should have contracted the team after the lockout.

But regardless, you can't have the NBA own a team and pretty much demolish it in order to put another All-World player on the league's signature team. That's precisely why they opted out of the CBA to begin with.
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the deal they got was pretty good. they got front court depth, size, a ton of rebounding, scoring, young talent, and picks.

Odom is over the hill and Scola is nothing more than a roleplayer. That team wouldn't make the playoffs if they wanted to.

Nobody else would bring people into that arena, or sell merchandise or give any interest to that team even within that city. You might as well have contracted them if that deal was made.
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That is hilarious.

And if the owners REALLY wanted to restore competitive balance, they wouldn't have agreed to a lux tax.

now they'll be the Cavs post-lebron instead of Denver post-Melo

fuck em. hope they die on the NBA's (Stern's) hands.

Because that's what the Hornets have now. Instead of maybe being able to swing Scola, Odom, and Martin in separate deals at the trade deadline or maybe just putting them out there to win some games this year, they'll have an unhappy Chris Paul and a bunch of also rans since I can't see anyone good signing with the Hornets right now.

Meanwhile, Orlando is going to have to deal Dwight Howard for Brook Lopez and two mid-to-late first round picks and that's cool.

Paul can talk all of that yang he wants, but he isn't sitting out all year and there's still more trades to be had.

But people still remember how Kobe manipulated his way out of Charlotte, they remember the Gasol trade, they remember the numerous ways the Lakers and the Celtics had set up bullshit deals in order to stay on top of the league. And the owners have made it clear that it'll cease. And I can't blame them.
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he is gonna go wherever he wants after these 66 games and NO will get nothing in return. if they trade him to a team that he doesnt want to sign with then he will play the season and that team will have lost players trading for him and will get nothing when he walks away after the season.

how do you not understand this?

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No player is going to not report for an entire year, and the NBA isn't going to cave on the deal. Paul will report to the Hornets eventually if a trade isn't made before then. It's simple as that.
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Him sitting out the entire year isn't even relevant. It's him walking at the end of the year once he's a free agent.

why would a team trade players for a guy that can walk, thus giving away players with NO return

Because he could help them out immediately.

And he'll accept a trade too because he'll then get max money on a long contract.

All of this handwringing will be over with by next week. Paul wants more money, and if someone offers it to him he'll do it.
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Paul most likely would have re-signed with the Lakers because

1. its a big market
2. they have the opportunity to win this year as well as future years

He would have taken a pay cut to go to NY, so he obviously isn't only out for money. He wants to win.

There aren't many other teams that can offer him a chance at an instant championship, not to mention he is most likely upset by what just happened so he might just play the rest of the year with NO then walk afterwards.

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IN THE CBA.. were they just negotiating that shit.. You don't stomp out legit deals by making up the rules as you go along.
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Then again, I would be all for sacrificing a packed school bus off a cliff if it meant Kobe & CP3 was not to play with each other so I'm the wrong person to ask.

Due to the sabotaging of the LA/NO trade by david stern, and following in the footsteps of my athlete brethern Metta World Peace and Chad Ochocinco, I'm changing my last name to "Stern's Bi#&h" #effectiveimmediately


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Cause...
I remember game 4.

Doesn't anybody else find it a bit more than coincidental that Odom and Bynum are mentioned in any and all trade scenarios?

THE BUSS FAMILY IS DONE WITH THEM!

They don't give a fuck that LO & AB are good players,
they know that their organizations has and always will re-up.

Those of you acting like getting rid of either of those guys is a big deal to the Lakers are not seeing the bigger picture.

The Lakers are in a position of weakness because of their desire to dump both of them - they're just willing to get rid of Pau too cause they know they'll prolly need to since they're DEFINITELY going to get rid of Odom and Bynum.

That time has passed.

It is clear that Bynum for Howard is their big hope for obvious reasons,
but if Jim Buss still loved him so much it wouldn't even be a point of discussion.

That is not the point I am trying to make.

I am saying that the Lakers are done with Bynum and Odom and will find a way to get rid of both of them even if it doesn't mean getting both CP3 and Howard (which now looks to be an impossibility)

Before word got out that they would pursue Paul
the general (presumably leaked) thinking was the Orlando would get Bynum and Odom for Howard.
Then, when they decided they could move for Paul, they planned to send Gasol and Odom to NO with obvious plans to deal Bynum and smaller players for Howard.

In either scenario Bynum AND Odom are moved.

This is not coincidence.

If they are so gung ho about getting Howard, why do they so easily let their 2nd and 3rd best assets go to NO instead of holding on to one to hopefully sway Orlando to push the button?

Because they saw an opportunity, did the math, and realized they could do it all.

At the end of the day the Howard deal WILL get done, I have no debate over that point.
What I am saying is that NO MATTER WHAT TRADE TAKES PLACE neither Bynum nor Odom will be Lakers by the end of the year.

And the Lakers organization rejoices over this.

As to your "every center is tradeable" argument:
I am not 100% convinced that the Clippers would give up Blake Griffin for Dwight Howard.
I could be convinced but right now I'm not seeing it.

easily

He's one of the new faces of the league, and judging by other parts of their roster he typifies the faster pace they want to play.
PLUS
his potential as an offensive player is much higher than Howard's and it isn't like Eric Gordon is so good they can rely on him to create everybody else's shot.
Of course they WANT Howard, I just don't think they deal Griffin to do it.

But the Griffin for Howard thing has been mentioned,
and I'm just not convinced.

Course, it's mostly dumb ass pundits so it shouldn't be listened to in the first place.

it aint like we WANT to get rid of them. we HAVE to because nobody wants anything else.

This isn't about Howard and Paul,
though they are both top tier players any team would want -
it's about the Lakers WANTING to blow this thing up.

I think teams should exploit this.

they want CP3 and Howard.. - lol
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a completely incompetent league

I definitely don't believe that but from L.O.'s point of view - its crazy to go to NO after finally getting a taste of fame. He is now part of that empire

Even their new golden child Simmons called them out in a recent column.

I just didn't think of L.O.'s connection with the Kardashians as a reason for not wanting to leave LA

None of this really matters, but its somewhat pertinent to the topic

but at the same time - why would any player want to leave LA?

you know that orc looking gal khloe was pisssssssssed.

If ESPN weren't a BEAST, I'd be expecting Grantland to split from them sometime in the next 5 years

That little bar on their front page is valuable real estate tho

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Cause he's got a pretty nice little army built up at this point, colonels and everything.

Chris Paul would have been his ace in making sure Kobe doesn't hijack the team, because he knows he cannot realistically count on Derek Fisher to play that role.

Chris Paul's had three coaches in his career, two of them in the last two seasons. He's an amazing playmaker and, maybe more importantly, he's recently grown accustomed to learning new systems on the fly.

Kobe's been playing under the triangle for what, a decade? He's played under 5 coaches but few of them had any positive influence on that team other than Jackson during Kobe's tenure, so isn't it in the Lakers' absolute best interest to have a point guard who's not only the best in the league at executing plays but spent the past couple years dealing with coaching adjustments leading the team through the switch from an offensive coach like Jackson to a defensive one like Brown?

And then you have to factor in that two of the more openly emotional players in the league are now playing for a team they know thinks they're expendable under the right circumstances...it's just a bummer for L.A. I hate to feel for them, but. Man.

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LOL

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This was a good trade for the Hornets. No, a GREAT trade for them.
They were getting 4 better than average players, and a 1st round draft pick, for a superstar with a bad knee (snark, but still).

This was an OK trade for the Rockets. Pau has more than you guys give him credit for left in the tank, and he could have really helped the Rockets, as I am assuming, they were also not done making moves for the year.

This was a bad move for the Lakers, IF they couldn't get anybody else. Trading 2 7 footers for a PG, albeit the best in the league, doesn't seem like a good look. They prob weren't going to land D12, BUT, if they got David West (which sounds like it's in the cards), then the Paul trade is a great move. Their team goes from: Fisher, World Peace, Kobe, Pau, Bynum
to: CP3, World Peace, Kobe, West, Bynum
That is a kickass team STILL, and they would still be on the market in years to come for eventually replacing Mamba.

If anything, ironically, this stupidity has made the NBA much more intriguing to a guy like me.

they should be allowed to play where they want bottom line.

The rules are already in place where they would have to take a pay cut to move to a desirable market with other stars but this is just BS. And this is coming from a fan from one of the smallest markets in the league

The very first experience pro athletes have being a "pro" is being drafted.

You really have no say in the matter...you go where they want you, not where u want.

If you want to play in a certain place, you play out the contract u signed, and once ur a free agent, THEN you choose where YOU want to play.

If the contract is still in place, you have no rights to demand anything....play out ur contract!

You signed it; it's ur obligation.

Once ur contract is up, you are free.

Indentured servitude, yes....but thats the way of professional sports.

You get paid millions.....

The trade off is lack of options while under contract....BUT....you're highly compensated for any inconvenience in the meantime.

you want it one way..

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I don't quite see the RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION!!!!!!!! that these hater-ass dudes swear is permeating the post

We all know what kind of fuckery this is and have responded accordingly

These other cats can barely hide their relief about the deal dying, and in their joy want to "tease" and chastise Laker fans about the quashed deal

Real grown-up yo

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Cmon.

.

this contradicts everything that was about....get off the lakers dick and look at the rest of the league for a minute...and for the record i was WITH the trade....giving my team gasol and depleting your front line to bynum and metta world peace..i'm with it..FOH

If competitive balance was such an important issue, why wasn't it directly addressed in the CBA by allowing for a franchise tag by teams, thus negating a player's leverage to dictate where he is traded? The fact is the owners want it both ways man and circumvented the just ratified CBA. It's disgusting.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2011/12/rejected-trade-shows-nba-hasnt-solved-any-its-problems/45968/

Money Quote:

The trade may have proved to the small-market owners that nothing has changed, but Stern's move to appease them may have made the situation even worse. The trade was a good deal for New Orleans, who acquired several players and a draft pick for a superstar that would be leaving as a free agent at the end of the year anyway. It embarrassed Demps and undermined his ability to make future deals. It angers the players involved, who now have to return to locker rooms where they obviously aren't wanted. It won't sit well with the rest of league's players who already feel they were mistreated by owners during the lockout and now have even less reason to trust Stern.

unreal.

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nothing will ever make the system 'fair' for small market teams.

not a thing.

edit: maan if you bought a team in a small market i'm sure the price you paid reflected the product you bought. you didn't buy a team in NY or LA. You can't expect to get back what teams in big markets get back.

Ellison said, "I'll pay 70 million over the valuation to get this team and move them to San Jose, a bigger market."

The NBA said no. We'll buy the team so we can keep them in this smaller market that's already proven once that they couldn't support an NBA team.

The NBA had a chance to have one of the richest men in the world and a man who throws around millions like it's nothing (in other words, the IDEAL owner) take over the team and move it to a competitive market and they opted for this clusterfuck of a situation.

Ridiculous.

LOL. What a fucking disaster.

"Mark Stein: CP3 Trade Latest: Sources tell ESPN com that teams involved in three-team trade blocked by David Stern appealing to NBA to reverse decision."

In the end, this is all on Stern. After a contentious lockout, he never should have approved the deal before sending it to the board of governors aka the owners of the Hornets. And it's not like it would have been hard to do, they had a schedule meeting that day anyway!

Stern's gotta retire. Fucking up his legacy was one thing but now he's fucking up the league.

The owners of the team aka the other owners in the league were the ones who shot it down. He has to convince them to get their panties out of a twist and let the deal happen. But I could see guys like Dan Gilbert standing by their idiocy.

What Stern NEVER should have done is okayed the deal without checking with them first.

with trades and such...thats why they have demps running the basketball side of the team.

and a substantial amount of cash at that.

of course, what the league is TOTALLY failing to see is that they ALL have a shared interest in making the NBA work for the coastal teams + central teams alike, and this move might look positive to them on a simple balance sheet, but in the greater value of the overall NBA brand, they've done nothing but shit all over that from the moment Dirk lifted the trophy last June.

stern should just admit that it was a mistake. it might be too late now tho.

and the coll

we knew the league owned the team before hand
dan gilbert raises some legit points in his email and i think the owners had the right (legally and from a basketball perspective) to veto the deal
it's really not much deeper than that
keeping CP on the hornets this year is better for the league overall
AS in a small market team
when CP leaves for "nothing" the hornets will actually get cap space
and CP gets to find a team in a fair market as opposed to signing a max deal on a team currently over the cap

that that was the situation in the 1st place.

Instead they informed demps that he had full autonomy to make a deal. Meanwhile, Demps wasted all this time trying to make a deal for cp3, meanwhile they got like 6 players on the roster.

i'm not even sure the deal was OFFICIALLY done
usually players have to pass physicals and all of that before anything is locked in stone
but i agree that it shouldn't have even gotten as far as it did
the problem is Demps has to operate and construct these trades under some degree of anonymity since he answers to all the other owners and there will be conflicts of interest etc if he gets owner approve first and then proceeds wit a trade

he has to work with up front..ie get the best talent in return, get under the cap, save the most money etc

How does he know whats the best deal to make if he doesn't know what the goal is?

owners can still reject whatever he comes up with though

..ie get the best talent in return, get under the cap, save the most money etc

all of those are in the best interest of the team but he cant do all.

Its just like a regular gm and owner situation, if the owner gives the go ahead to trade a player the gm needs to know what the owner is trying to get in return, money, picks, cap space and then he can try to make a deal.

why should demps waste his time trying to make a deal or other gm's try to deal with n.o. after this debacle?

the team..

See Cleveland...

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i can't think of any off the top of my head
let him go out there and get what ever the market dictates under the constraints of the salary cap
if he can't get the money...or can't even get SIGNED by a team he wants....then re up with the Hornets
that's the advantage teams should have with their stars imo
this whole culture of small teams funneling all their stars to big markets due to the fear of losing them has to stop some how
what's the point of drafting well if teams don't get long term rewards?
bron, bosh and melo kinda get a pass for being the first wave
but the nba can't allow this to become a trend

What teams will have the cap space to sign CP3 to a max deal after this year?

The Clippers, Warriors and Celtics come to mind. But CP has been crying about going to them. The Lakers and Knicks won't even be able to pretend to sign him as a FA.

Either way, the Hornets still have his Bird Rights and will almost certainly sign and trade him, wherever he decides to go. They are not dead in the water like everyone is shouting.

Not by a long shot.

aka why revenue sharing actually ISN'T in the best interests of the league when the players say it's the silver bullet to solve the lockout. idiots like Gilbert would rather collect a tax from LA than figure out how to make his team profitable.

and then as long as they keep their wage bill small, and NY + LA keeps their wage bill high, he'll have a shot at collecting discarded assets via free agency and getting paid to play shitty basketball in the meantime all the while.

Small market teams need some kind of advantage, because the top players won't otherwise want to go there.

If the Cavs, Hornets, etc. are receiving luxury tax revenue, it allows them to spend more as well. And I'm fairly confident in saying that every owner wants a winning product on the court, and this revenue sharing system should help certain teams who can't get over the hump of mediocrity due to financial constraints.

Also, Gilbert spent A TON of money to keep LeBron happy, so I'm not sure why he is used as an example of a cheap owner.

i.e. a slot that takes a cap hold of X (let's say $20M) and you can then pay that player whatever salary you think he deserves. one slot per team. that means small markets who saw it as valuable to overpay a certain player could. that also means teams like LA would use their slot on Kobe, and every mega star like Paul or Howard would have to choose to take a capped salary to play alongside Kobe, or take the uncapped slot another team in the league without a superstar would surely be offering.

but the players chose to subsidize the middle class via the superstars earning less, and I can hardly fault them. but outside of that, I really don't know how to fix it. the economic disparities of the various markets is too much to overcome without a hard cap, but hard caps are inherently unfair, sooo...

they put demps in charge to address this, promised he had full authority for player decisions and would only intervene for financial reasons.

fucked the Hornets over, they could have gotten some useful players for Paul and remained competitive, now they'll lose him and get nothing.

which is really all that shithead cares about.

>>keeping CP on the hornets this year is better for the league overall<<<

Maybe better than CP going to somewhere like Atlanta or Denver...

But there is know way its better than CP going to the Lakers. Imagine the ratings for the Christmas game is CP is there with Kobe? Imagine the water cooler talk, even if they aren't that good.

Now, instead of folks talking basketball, they will be talking about how Stern blocked a trade and how the NBA shot itself in the foot - again.

what was NO avg. attendance last yr?
i know philly had a few games where it had to be less than 8K ppl there
water cooler talk doesn't impact TV deals that are already signed
and it doesn't put butts in arenas
they need more balance

Y'all muhfuckas are hilarious.

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Cmon.

>we knew the league owned the team before hand
>dan gilbert raises some legit points in his email and i think
>the owners had the right (legally and from a basketball
>perspective) to veto the deal

What legit points did Gilbert have? He was just pissed that the Lakers were getting a young all star and he still is bitchy because of losing LeBron. Every team involved would have benefitted from the Paul trade.

What's the point in having a GM if he can't manage the team?

Time for him to go

http://tinyurl.com/csa9vsq

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217201/Knicks_Offered_Stoudemire_To_Hornets_

The Knicks attempted to deal Amar’e Stoudemire in an attempt to pry Chris Paul from the Hornets, according to a source.

Stoudemire has four years, $84 million remaining on his contract, which is uninsurable.
Via New York Post

and you know the owners woulda shot it down anyway...so glad that didn't happen.

Probably couldn't even get all 3 syllables of the word Amare out before Dell spit up his crawfish etoufee.

Amare at $84 mil is hard to even read.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7334835/the-sixth-day-nba-christmas

is it everyone but Paul? that's odd.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/chris-paul-veto-commisioner-power-or-collusion/

Dan Gilbert's actions towards LeBron last year.

Stern publiclly gave Gilbert a pass for the character attack that Gilbert did against LeBron last year. By doing so he empowered so called small market owners to act and behave in a way that is detrimental to the league..

as the commisioner, the fact that players can play for whom they like at some point in their careers should not be something the commisioner of the NBA should stand in the way of. It's the rules of the game...it's the reality of modern professional sports, and by looking to stand against that, it causes a serious problem in the league.

the attitude that Dan Gilbert displayed last year, and displays now should be rejected by all involved in the NBA...

the crying and complaining of the so-called small market teams is a cop out for poor management that should not be given credibility... New York and Los Angeles teams don't win titles every year in pro sports...it's a myth that locale is what is the determining factor in this.... It's the quality of an organization....

Look at the Spurs....look at what's happening in Okla City.....Who won the NBA title last year?

a Free Agent??

Don't hate the player...hate the game.

>the attitude that Dan Gilbert displayed last year, and
>displays now should be rejected by all involved in the NBA...
>
>
>the crying and complaining of the so-called small market teams
>is a cop out for poor management that should not be given
>credibility... New York and Los Angeles teams don't win titles
>every year in pro sports...it's a myth that locale is what is
>the determining factor in this.... It's the quality of an
>organization....
>
>Look at the Spurs....look at what's happening in Okla
>City.....Who won the NBA title last year?

his whole approach was just hatin' like shit. no real concern for the Hornets. and basically shitting on Demps... who knows how this would have turned for the Lakers. if they somehow Yankeed out and got Dwight, that'd be something. but as I've learned recently... kaufing all that you can get to stack the deck doesn't ensure success.

Stern was bullshit. Dill-bert basically ate the NBA's poo-poo.

As long as Kyrie ain't on the court, I want to see Kobe come to town and lead that good GUILE with Mike Brown giving direction. that's how much Dill-bert pissed me off on that.

this mofo needs to stop trying to gangster his way around and actually take some cues from Marc Cuban. Run this shit like you care about it.

not that he regrets it, and he's rich enough where it doesn't hurt him, but as much as I hate David Stern I'd hardly call that a pass

\o/

would piss me right the fuck off.


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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

That it happened to the Celtics' arch rival is the only reason I'm not going crazy over this.

but I'm sorry. I'm on #TeamLakerFans with this shit. the potential collateral damage from this collective cockblocking is not worth it, esp. considering the labor issues with this league.

As free agency plays out, teams might get more desperate. But the bottom line is, CP3 aint staying so we have to make a deal.

If this was the best deal on the table, so be it.

Hornets nation was VERY mixed on it, obviously. Losing CP3 is hard to stomach, no matter the return.

and its completely legal.

http://deadspin.com/5866682/and-now-the-magic-may-file-tampering-charges-against-teams-talking-to-dwight-howard

why can't another company try to woo a star employee? why can't dwight talk to whoever he wants?

what a joke.

Completely reflects Stern's arrogance and authoritarian nature.

Dell Demps had been given full autonomy the entire time and constantly checked in with the league to make sure that he did have the authority and green light to make a move, particularly involving CP3....and never was there an indication that he didn't.

I still can't wrap my head around the absolute ridiculousness taking place.

nothing makes a sports league relevant like superstar (attempted) trades

It's Stern deciding to take matters into his own hands, lying about the rationale, and circumventing the entire system (which btw was just ratified on the SAME day as the said trade, which makes the decision that much more ridiculous).

that was stern's biggest mistake. doing this shit in the ramp up to a lockout shortened season

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The union is about to go for a showdown against Stern...If the news of the trade is picking back up is true, it needs to happen soon...Because Paul is coming off as the good guy in this...



From his Twitter:

Chris Broussard
"Union has told NBA if suitable CP trade not made by Monday, it will pursue other options, including litigation, sources say."

@freeppistons Freep Pistons
Source: Rip Hamilton has been waived by the Pistons. Will be bought out. Not an amnesty transaction.


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So what does this mean? Bulls (may be too old...I want them to go for Crawford, who creates his own shot, and a back-up PG)...Miami? Knicks?

Interesting...

Looks like the Bulls got something happening here...Bogans gets pulled off the court......Rumors are they are talking to J. Crawford's people for a deal involving Bogans, Korver, plus our first round draft pick....AND the Bulls are truing to sign Rip Hamilton on the cheap, who just got bought out of his contract...If we get BOTH of those guys, the Bulls will be scary...

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-bulls-pull-bogans-from-practice-20111209,0,314801.story

4:43 p.m. CST, December 9, 2011
Minutes before the Chicago Bulls were to stage their first practice of training camp, Keith Bogans was pulled off the practice floor, according to a league source.

The Bulls hold a $1.73 million team option on Bogans, who started all 82 games at shooting guard last season. According to league sources, Bogans' contract officially is non-guaranteed and above the league minimum. With the Bulls exploring other shooting guard options, management is being careful and preventing Bogans from sustaining an injury.

Bogans' non-guaranteed contract would be a chip in a larger trade to upgrade the shooting guard position.

Nevertheless, Bogans, who has been working out at the Berto Center for the last week, wasn't happy with the move, according to a source.

The Bulls remain in contact with free agent guards such as Jason Richardson and Jamal Crawford and, according to a source, touched base with Vince Carter's camp on Friday, the day Carter officially got waived by the Phoenix Suns.

The Pistons bought out Richard Hamilton, although the Bulls have been cool on him in the past.

not sure how solid Crawford's D is...

>not sure how solid Crawford's D is...


We got enough defense with Brewer, Noah, Deng, Asik, our back-up PF and even Boozer who has gotten better...Hell, Rose has vastly improved as well...

Defense was not our issue because we had depth...Our issue was offense...And J Rich is now a glorified 3 point shooter who can't create his own shot...

Crawford does all things we need...Create his own shot, shoots open jumpers, and creates for others when needed...

J Rich doesn't do any of those things beyond shoot....And his defense is not THAT MUCH better than Crawford...

Trust me, you get Crawford and hope you can sign RIP Hamilton (Detroit has already bought him out and he wants to come to the Bulls) on the cheap...

That's a recipe for a ring...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_chris_paul_trade_david_stern_veto_120911

Here was New Orleans Hornets general manager Dell Demps out on the West Bank of New Orleans, out in a practice facility that Chris Paul has had to march past reptile and bird shows, and government cheese handouts on his way to the locker room. For thousands of hours, Demps had done the job he had prepared his entire professional life: video and statistical analysis, telephone calls, texts, emails and meetings until 3:30 a.m. with his basketball staff.

The job. Demps did the job. His professional career, his reputation, the future of the franchise, hung in the balance of the team’s trade of Paul. Demps never had a chance to keep Paul, nor did his capable predecessor, Jeff Bower. The NBA had come to New Orleans because a Bible-thumping owner, George Shinn, had been sued by a Charlotte woman in a sexual assault case. All alone, Shinn destroyed an excellent NBA market in Charlotte and moved the Hornets to New Orleans to find a new city that would treat him like a savior. Katrina was on deck, and the NBA had to live with the consequences.

In so many ways, Demps was working to clean up one more of commissioner David Stern’s messes on Thursday. Demps did his job, did it beautifully and out of nowhere, out of the hubris of Olympic Tower in Manhattan, Stern sent word that this three-team deal for one of the sport’s biggest stars had been obliterated after the Hornets, Lakers and Rockets agreed upon a package.

Now, Stern has apparently ceded to public backlash, as the three teams re-engaged in talks on amending Thursday’s deal in a way Stern could accept, league sources told Yahoo! Sports on Friday. Now, the job of these three teams is to shake up the deal just enough for Stern to be able to save face and approve it. The basketball experts at the league office are mandating the Hornets gather younger players and draft picks for Paul. Somehow, they believe that solidifies New Orleans’ basketball future in a better way.

Ideally, it would, if Stern and his wing-tipped tag-a-longs in Olympic tower were qualified to make those judgments. The Hornets could’ve flipped Lamar Odom and Luis Scola to contenders to secure those kinds of assets, but apparently Stern wants the illusion of a younger player or a pick that he has no idea will ever turn into anything.

On Thursday, there was a long, sordid chain of events that ended with a determined young GM, Demps, overcome with anger and disbelief, feeling like the walls had come down on him Thursday. In the end, Demps was told to wait for Stern to call, but there was no hope he could dissuade Stern and spare everyone this stunning, unprecedented misuse of power. The NBA hadn’t taken over ownership of the Hornets to carry out Stern’s petty grudges and power trips, but that’s what it always comes back to with him.



The curtain has been pulled back on how this league operates, how Stern still sees himself as emperor, as a dictator of what he wants and how he wants it. Back on All-Star weekend in Los Angeles, Stern told those stars in an angry, true moment in the locker room that he knew where the bodies were buried because he had buried a lot of them. He threw that shovel over his shoulder again Thursday and walked away from one more dirt ditch.

After five months of a lockout, after failing to deliver a promise to his owners that he would reform NBA rules to make these superstar hostage crises disappear, another was underway in New Orleans on Stern’s watch. Stern doesn’t see superstars with the gravitas of Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson, and feels like so many of these owners that he privately despises: Who the hell are these players to dictate terms to him?

This had little to do with the merits of the Paul trade and how it would impact the value for the Hornets’ next owner – and everything to do with timing. Some owners were angry with Stern pushing so hard for a Christmas Day return that he relented on several of the rules they wanted to spare themselves from the superstar takeovers. Business started again, and business was unchanged. Long before Dan Gilbert sent that email, his ownership peers were raging to Stern.

For some reason, the end of the labor battle hadn’t marked the end of the fight for Stern and the owners against the star players. That’s what happened here. Stern deemed the trade unacceptable for “basketball reasons,” and that’s laughable considering how little that league office knows about basketball, appreciates it, or was even willing to give it a chance to be credible this season with so many games jammed into so few days, with such little preseason.

When the word came to Demps, he sat in his office and let the emotion wash over him. Stern has reduced so many men to rubble as commissioner, forever famous for belittling employees with his temper tantrums. This time, it was different. Stern had to explain the unexplainable, and there’s no discussion with the commissioner. There’s no reasoning. Everyone’s a subject in his kingdom.



Demps was feeling humiliated, embarrassed and a little betrayed, say his friends. He had done his job and had his staff reporting to NBA vice president Stu Jackson’s office on the progress of the trade talks.

As a GM, all a franchise can do is make a plan, take a course of action and see how it all turns out. For the NBA to run the Hornets the way Stern promised they would be run – “If recommends it, then we’re going to be approving it,” Stern had said – then you let them trade Paul when they believe they have the best possible deal, when they can get the full value to a team he’s committed to sign with long-term. Now, the Hornets are left with a defiant Paul, who, if he isn’t traded to L.A., will probably seek free agency out of spite to Stern. This will cause him to be a rental to most places where he could be traded, and that’s not how you get the best value for him.

Rockets executives told friends in the league, “They set us back three years with this.” The Rockets had gathered young players, assets to make a move for a star like Pau Gasol, and pair him with a pricy free agent like Nene in the middle. All that could be gone now, lost in the debris, and all the NBA had to do was tell Demps early on the league wouldn’t approve such a deal. They owed him the grace to spare everyone the precious time, resources and professional anguish of this mess.

This wasn’t about the best interests of the Hornets, the NBA, anyone at all. This wasn’t the NBA that Stern promised those owners in a post-lockout league, and they let him have it Thursday. After all those long days and nights negotiating the end of that labor war, it turns out it isn’t over and never will be in this NBA. This is the fight to David Stern’s ignoble finish as commissioner of the NBA, the fight that’ll never end well for the NBA. That’s how Stern’s going down, and that’s how he’ll be remembered.

Wojo just opened the can of Common Sense.

btw, FUCK George Shinn. In the GOAT ASS. Butt hurt ass turdburglar. Now Charlotte is saddled with a Jaundiced Jackanapes at the helm.

DO REMEMBER!!!

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7338172/source-chris-paul-los-angeles-lakers-trade-resubmitted

The New Orleans Hornets' three-team trade with the Los Angeles Lakers and Houston Rockets that would land Chris Paul in L.A. has been resubmitted to the league office for approval, according to sources close to the talks.

The specific changes to the original trade scenario were not immediately available, but sources told ESPN.com that a reconfigured trade has been presented by the league-owned Hornets to NBA commissioner David Stern in hopes that he'll approve this construction after vetoing Thursday's trade in principle.

Chris Broussard is a senior NBA writer for ESPN The Magazine. Marc Stein is a senior writer for ESPN.com.