like, leading the league in fumbles for three years running & currently the 26th-ranked starter while averaging two-and-a-half turnovers a game bad.

Losing record as a starter since a hot 8-game-start in 2010 bad.

Coach getting fired bad & looking to be in Buffalo next year bad.

There's only so much you can blame that on coaching when it's the same coach he had for his 'best' season or on the battered o-line he knows about firsthand but still has trouble getting rid of the ball.

Vick has really never been a very good quarterback despite his freakish set of tools (outside his size) and his warrior spirit.

Cam's game really has nothing to do with Bob or Vick.

Cam is more like Big Ben if he hadn't gone to a quality organization.

Bob is really good but Shanahan needs to back off zone-option type of plays & limit the amount of scrambling he does.

Don't just throw him to the wolves with a bunch of running around & taking hits for some short-term wins because you're old and don't know how much longer you'll be around plus need to make the playoffs this year or at latest next or risk losing your job.

He needs to groom dude like he did Cutler & mid-career Elway because rushing needs to be a last-resort option for a QB if you want to win long-term.