http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/documents-read-the-actual-jim-tressel-emails-29547

Fuck yes, this deserves its own thread.

This is far and away worse than I could have *ever* imagined. I'm reading this shit in utter disbelief.

(1) The press-conference led me to believe that the attorney e-mailing Tressel was: representing the tattoo artist, an attorney working for the firm representing the artist, or an attorney working for the DA who had connections. That does *not* seem to be the case when reading the e-mails. This just seems like someone with an inside connection to law enforcement (as evidenced by the opening line of his first e-mail, "a lot of my friends are in law enforcement"). Sure he might be *a* attorney, but the "vow of confidentiality to protect the integrity of an ongoing federal investigation" takes a SERIOUS blow as an excuse (errrr "defense") in an NCAA investigation.

(2) Tressel's tacit acknowledgment of an offer to conduct an illegal activity *for* Tressel. The e-mailer states he MAY ATTEMPT TO STEAL THE SIGNED MEMORABILIA (keep in mind, protected evidence of an ongoing federal investigation) if "the opportunity presents itself." Tressel's responds with "thanks for your help," which is indeed a tacit acknowledgement, if not encouragement, to carry out such an act. This is the bombshell to me, because on one hand, Tressel uses upholding the integrity of an "ongoing federal investigation" as a ruse for his "confidentiality" yet, on the other hand, he is encouraging the obstruction of that very investigation. Maybe I'm misconstruing something, but that is damning.

(3) Pattern of deception and possible player-wide cover-up orchestrated by Tressel. The e-mailer tells Tressel to (a) show the players the tattoo artist's picture so that they can avoid him and (b) to tell them to *not* call the tattoo artist's cell phone number as it is being monitored by the feds. Tressel certainly listened to the "keep confidential" advice, and there is no reason to think he didn't take the aforementioned steps either. If so, he perpetrated an even further, willful concealment of a violation of NCAA rules. This is not just "keeping quiet about reporting something," this becomes taking tangible steps to cover it up. The NCAA will be interrogating each and every player to determine this, I guarantee it.

All in all, I really can't believe this. The OSU fans on this board were clowning Yahoo! for their "anonymous source." I knew they had something... but THESE WRITTEN RECORDS???

I could be wrong, but I just do not see this ending well.

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nm

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which is sad and surreal considering the juxtaposition of his epic accomplishments and the minuteness of the crime he lied to cover-up.

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what will the NCAA drudge up after months of investigation? dude should have pulled a sneaky pete and retired to be an assistant in the nfl somewhere.

this will turn out to be just as silly as the forcier > pryor thread.
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He messed up. Bad. Pretty similar to Bruce Pearl...this might even be worse.

these are self reported violations, and the NCAA was involved throughout the entire ordeal.

I'll be shocked if he's not our coach this fall.

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but he fucked up. big time.

just win, baby.

he knew about the blatant violations in the first email. all he knew was the feds raided it. no mention of an "investigation." then he replied that he would "get on it." the request for confidentiality (which is bogus in itself, but still the excuse he is clinging to) didn't come until the subsequent e-mail, weeks later.

-its fuckin awesome.
-I like it a lot.

its aight, i was too when the shit about Marvin Austin broke out.

it's just going to take a woody-esque meltdown for JT to get fired.

when Tressel asks for more names so he can have some "collateral" you Buckeye fans better PRAY he wasn't referring to something to coax/intimidate players into returning for another season.

seriously how many consecutive hours have you been staring at your computer screen over this, refreshing your browser, conjuring up possibilities?

getting lots of lulz from watching that OSU ship burn.

>seriously how many consecutive hours have you been staring at
>your computer screen over this, refreshing your browser,
>conjuring up possibilities?


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I don't get it © Ceej

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Are you saying that until the USC story that they weren't looked at as a credible source? Because that's pretty much a given.

I don't understand why it's "rich" that they broke this story...

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it's a bit of a 'chickens coming home to roost'/'glass houses' situation.

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Yahoo didnt break anything.


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they were on this shit Monday, before ANYBODY at Ohio State acknowledged Tressel had done wrong. lmao @ you and all the Buckeye fans laughing off their initial report based on weak anonymous sources.

>they were on this shit Monday, before ANYBODY at Ohio State
>acknowledged Tressel had done wrong. lmao @ you and all the
>Buckeye fans laughing off their initial report based on weak
>anonymous sources.

We informed the NCAA of this shit (Tress and the emails) in December, no one knew until someone either in the athletic department leaked it to Yahoo, or the anonymous emailer contacted Yahoo. All of this was discussed in yesterdays presser.


It wasn't like Yahoo unearthed some major shit and triggered the investigation. It was already underway. They were the first to report it.






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lol, I know yall are feeling vulnerable and shit, but don't be this obtuse

>lol, I know yall are feeling vulnerable and shit, but don't
>be this obtuse


it was already underway before Yahoo got their tip, and it was going to be unearthed eventually whether through Yahoo or the University.

its not the same as the USC situation.

not sure what you're not understanding here.

Vulnerable? no. Disappointed? A little.



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that's pretty much fact. just because they didn't intercept the e-mail after Tressel hit send doesn't mean they weren't the first major media outlet to break the story.

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and now theyre considered a bastion of journalistic excellence

the Reggie Bushit?

Because if I recall correctly, the thorough reporting of that story put Yahoo! Sports on the map as a legit journalistic source

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story was basically their coming out party for sports journalism.

But they have become a go-to for investigative stories since.

sports journalism.

SI doesn't even do a whole lot anymore, but that shit with the agent from last year was seriously well done.

I think the SF Chronicle BALCO was the last really big one for sports.

Also on SI, I thought their Armstrong 'exposé' from a couple months back was weak.

I mean I'm sure Armstrong was on roids but there wasn't really anything in that story that really told me anything.

-SC got their clocks cleaned by yahoo

-OSU fans laughed about it

-bomb says 'if its not on ESPN then its not news or legitimate' or something to that effect

-20 years later it became legitimate and SC finally gets their clock cleaned by the NCAA

what this all has to do with Yahoo then getting some shit on OSU that was going to come out anyway is beyond me.

at the end of the day I dont think this will develop to anywhere near the level of what SC received. but the NCAA seems to be somewhat erratic in delving out punishment so who knows.

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.

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shit had taken years already with Bush, I doubted it had any substance at that point

I think the last of the light bulbs for everyone turned on when Petey ditched them for Seattle

someone on ATH made the good point that tressel has been the coach during 3 recent OSU scandals involving player payments
dudes shady as fuck

No way the NCAA lets them get off that easy.

but whatever it is, I highly doubt it will be the death penalty/career ending type shit you all are clamoring for.


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Really, fam?

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they should just Hamsterdam it at this point... NO ONE is clean.
well, maybe BYU.

but lol BYU lol.

Rewatching S3 of The Wire again, I'm just picturing Carver standing on a corner shaking his head and looking on while tOSU practices around a bunch of fiends and shit.

same reference.

Challenger-

...idiots trading National Championship rings for fucking tattoos. Real smart.

Nothing we can do about it.. lol
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im not sure ive heard anyone try to pass big 10 players off as future neurosurgeons

It's not that widespread on this board though.

and i'm only partly kidding.

what i've come to realize is that i need to revise my statements. i do believe there are two programs in the big ten--michigan and penn state--that remain committed to winning big with a level of integrity that escapes the uscs, auburns, alabamas, and ohio states of the world. it's an outdated and unrealistic worldview, but it's true.

richrod didn't do 1 percent of the stuff tressel apparently gets away with.

ohio state spends almost double the money on its football program than penn state does.

outside of those two schools and northwestern, however, i have no reason to think that schools like iowa and michigan state possess any special integrity. i probably haven't passed judgement on the incidents at those two schools enough because i'm secure enough with what penn state does and, well, ignoring it can make the problem go away.

the academic requirements are the same at every big 10 school

pass the NCAA clearinghouse and youre in

your holier than thou shit is funny given PSU's smattering of arrests over the past few years

and money? LOFL. we kick your ass all over the field because you have a 110 year old figurehead for a coach. fix that before worrying about your athletic budget.

lol

http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2011/mar/21/bc-ne-exchange-unl-recruiters/

fucking white chicks! yeah!

so what?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKrL8x13nig

01:18 "He said the po-lice comin"

Challenger-

posting these "type" of OSU stories

it's always you......

I didn't see you breaking the story on Oklahoma, Auburn, or Lane Kiffin or any of that shit

it's always some jaded ex-girlfriend shit with OSU, no matter if it's Wendy Williams meets bleacher report credibility

it's a bad look

that's all it boils down to.
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>
>it's a bad look

with one thing on their mind

lol @ thinking the NCAA is going to after Tressel and OSU with an iron fist, they cowered in the face of purchased talent at Auburn

nobody knows, because there is no consistent pattern in anything they do

1) please link some more threads that I started about OSU improprieties... I didn't even start the tatgate post or re-up it

2) this is an epic scandal of our chief rival... of course I'm gonna be keeping up on it

3) this is a niche sports forum whose signature theme is a handful of people waging never ending homoerotic flame-wars about who the best point guard in the NBA is. so please.

damn u dumb.

GORDON GEE, TELL ME HOW MY ASS TASTE" --Horned Frog (swipe)

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1660782&mesg_id=1660782&listing_type=search

Wetzel: Pryor an "embarrassment", "Wikileaks in shoulder pads" (swipe)

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1656922&mesg_id=1656922&listing_type=search

Pryor jealous of Denard and Cam, wishes he went to Michigan (swipe)

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1636140&mesg_id=1636140&listing_type=search

jealous, jaded ex-girlfriend posting, now there's another team in the conference that is going to beat your ass every year

*predicts some lame ass response that will include him mentioning hes in law school, you being mad, and soem other stupid bullshit*




>GORDON GEE, TELL ME HOW MY ASS TASTE" --Horned Frog (swipe)
>
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1660782&mesg_id=1660782&listing_type=search
>
>Wetzel: Pryor an "embarrassment", "Wikileaks in shoulder pads"
>(swipe)
>
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1656922&mesg_id=1656922&listing_type=search
>
>Pryor jealous of Denard and Cam, wishes he went to Michigan
>(swipe)
>
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1636140&mesg_id=1636140&listing_type=search
>
>jealous, jaded ex-girlfriend posting, now there's another team
>in the conference that is going to beat your ass every year


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First link: hilarious shit, I would have posted regardless of the team.

The rest: all about Pryor. It's a known agenda of mine to hate on him. In fact I think you missed one... where I made a post of him being drafted as a TE.

I don't think you understand what OKS is. There's a dude who fellated OJ Mayo and made 5 different Derrick Rose hate posts per week here.

Thought you were a decent poster. Turns out you're just not that smart.

Nice try though. It's pretty entertaining thinking about you swinging from brown sugar's nuts, desperately entering my user name into the search query and combing through results for my posts.


>GORDON GEE, TELL ME HOW MY ASS TASTE" --Horned Frog (swipe)
>
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1660782&mesg_id=1660782&listing_type=search
>
>Wetzel: Pryor an "embarrassment", "Wikileaks in shoulder pads"
>(swipe)
>
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1656922&mesg_id=1656922&listing_type=search
>
>Pryor jealous of Denard and Cam, wishes he went to Michigan
>(swipe)
>
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1636140&mesg_id=1636140&listing_type=search
>
>jealous, jaded ex-girlfriend posting, now there's another team
>in the conference that is going to beat your ass every year

>I don't think you understand what OKS is. There's a dude who
>fellated OJ Mayo and made 5 different Derrick Rose hate posts
>per week here.

i don't have it, but someone needs to post it in reply. ouch.
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I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

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fall back we don't need your testicle-suckling commentary after every perceived insult of me.

and up your reading comprehension game, because i'm pretty sure that was much more an underhanded insult to allstah than to me.

you clearly didn't get enough of this in your childhood: http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa5/chrisculbertson/reading-rainbow.gif

make sure its double spaced, mla ...all that shit.

oh and pick me up some coffee while you're at it...light and sweet

thanks.
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you're indian, you went to OSU, and you have time to post on OKS all day, everyday.

IT support at a straggling Fortune 500 secondary branch?

Worse?

The amount I'd bill to you for the time it would take to make that coffee would eclipse your weekly pay stub.

Fall back.

>you're indian, you went to OSU, and you have time to post on
>OKS all day, everyday.

zomg! exposed! you must be lurking all day, everyday for you to know that. what's worse?


>
>Worse?

Yes, I'm chained to a sewing machine all day stitching soccer balls and designer clothes.


>The amount I'd bill to you for the time it would take to make
>that coffee would eclipse your weekly pay stub.
>
>Fall back.u

you arent a lawyer. you're a lame ass 1L who's been in ann arbor for the last 8 years. and you'll probably be working as a clerk for Sam Bernstein when you graduate.

lol unlike your lame ass, I dont have to boast to a bunch of message board nobodies about my life. It's lame enough you created a screen name in hopes of getting some e-pussy. Do your parents not give you the attention/approval you so desperately crave? Cheer up little fella.





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>you arent a lawyer. you're a lame ass 1L who's been in ann
>arbor for the last 8 years.

wrong. worked between undergrad and law school.


and you'll probably be working as
>a clerk for Sam Bernstein when you graduate.

lol wrong again. thankfully umich law isn't like toledo law school, the hotbed of legal talent used by your boy Tressel.

>
>lol unlike your lame ass, I dont have to boast to a bunch of
>message board nobodies about my life. It's lame enough you
>created a screen name in hopes of getting some e-pussy. Do
>your parents not give you the attention/approval you so
>desperately crave? Cheer up little fella.

e-pussy? on ok sports? wtf are you talking about?

i mean damn, at least come up with some coherent comebacks... slamming a top 10 law school and claiming i log onto okaysports for "e-pussy" just isn't a good look. this back and forth banter between us is getting a little stale anyways, though.

and we do share some indian pride, so i retract the IT comment; i'll stay in the sports lane when it comes to clowning you.

>wrong. worked between undergrad and law school.

I DONT CARE.

>and you'll probably be working as
>>a clerk for Sam Bernstein when you graduate.
>
>lol wrong again. thankfully umich law isn't like toledo law
>school, the hotbed of legal talent used by your boy Tressel.

I DONT CARE ABOUT LAWYERS. OR LAW SCHOOL RANKINGS.

>
>e-pussy? on ok sports? wtf are you talking about?

OKS isnt the only board you post on. so stop. What was the reasoning behind "brown sugar"...I'm really wondering now...die hard D'angelo fan? that's cool...I like D too (pause) but still....




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Cmon u can't play the "I don't care" card after you brought up my school and my employment prospects.

Second: I'd say 90% if not more of my 3k posts are on this board.

Lastly: the mythos behind the legendary "brown sugar"... basically as a lanky Indian I couldn't ball at all in high school but as a joke I'd always jack up pull-up threes and shit on fast breaks. The one-in-a-thousand time I'd hit it, I'd shout out "brown sugar!" Used it on a whim when registering here.

Fun fact: I still haven't listened to the dangelo album by the same name

>Cmon u can't play the "I don't care" card after you brought
>up my school and my employment prospects.
>
>Second: I'd say 90% if not more of my 3k posts are on this
>board.
>
>Lastly: the mythos behind the legendary "brown sugar"...
>basically as a lanky Indian I couldn't ball at all in high
>school but as a joke I'd always jack up pull-up threes and
>shit on fast breaks. The one-in-a-thousand time I'd hit it,
>I'd shout out "brown sugar!" Used it on a whim when
>registering here.
>
>Fun fact: I still haven't listened to the dangelo album by the
>same name


I didnt think you could get any lamer...congrats.

now wheres that coffee @?



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and the world would probably be better off if you weren't born sooooo

its bags, pimpmacula, SPM, all those agenda-driven dudes....

and i never called him the standard. just as a cited example. reading comprehension around here is suspect as shit.

please link some more threads that I started about OSU --brown sugar--

Why don't you take a sabbatical and not post about OSU until the football season commences?

It would help your cause, if not, you will be labeled a scorned vagina, and rightfully so.

Try having to defend a D1 player who couldn't get a college girl and resorted to jerking off on their porch.......

"Tressel acted in a way that he felt was protecting his players"

"He made a poor choice, but with the right intentions"

"I wouldnt be surprised if last season is vacated..."


"He should have said 'my intentions were pure at the start, it got out of control and I screwed up'..and he should have added a few games and another 250k to his fine"








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-drug dealer
-personal relationship with current athletes
-coach dealing with it by himself

except, of course, one coach was successful and actually did something and the other coach...well...he's jim tressel.

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I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

Tressel pulled G moves with square execution. Vacated games don't mean anything, they didn't for UM basketball, they don't now for Alabama football and they won't for OSU. Its a hollow punishment, esp in football where the banners aren't the end-all be-all.

If you want to be mad at JT, be mad at him ostensibly holding this over his players heads and forcing them to play another year when he KNEW the deal the whole season.

All in all this is some "every campus" type shit that I refuse to get worked up about or see as anything groundbreaking. Niggas still smashed UM, that vacated victory still hurts...they'll still smash UM this fall, life will go on.

JT is from Youngstown, the land of quiet gangster, anyone thinking he was less dirty than the rest of his peers was and is a fucking clown. or far too myopic

>If you want to be mad at JT, be mad at him ostensibly holding
>this over his players heads and forcing them to play another
>year when he KNEW the deal the whole season.

oh, to make sure the offending players didn't play in the Sugar Bowl and skip their punishment next season?

lol, that's rich. considering their head coach let them skip punishment the entire 2010 season because he didn't want to report them.

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I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

that they'd come back for 2011 to get punished. otherwise he'd never have played them. too much integrity.

>that they'd come back for 2011 to get punished. otherwise
>he'd never have played them. too much integrity.

maybe you should try something different.
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got it. we'll pass.

Don't act like your program is better because the dirty work has been getting handed off for years. Especially in that part of PA where folk on the team walk around fresh as fuck with nice ass cars but its State College so everyone is on that "what of it."

ALL PROGRAMS ARE DIRTY. DI football is full of hangers on, parasites, hook ups and so forth. It's the cost of freight. I know you're running the agenda game but if you think the slippage of PSU was just about Joe getting old and not about Joe getting old and not having someone play the game for him..you're insane.

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This shit is more than about "scoreboard K.I.M," or "Your program suxx," or "U post like a pussy bitch ZooTowN," or "PSU duedz is hating"

Your head football coach willfully lied about getting a tip and knowingly played players who were ineligible. Fuck the results of the 2010 season, or "but but but 9-1!!!!!!!!!!" or "ALL COLLEGE FOOTBALL IS DIRTY." This cat played dumb at worst, lied at best. Period. Bruce Pearl got ass raped by the NCAA for lying. Dez Bryant got shown the fucking door for lying. Other schools that are NOT in the B1G Ten are watching this shit closely.

Your fucking athletic department just thumbed its collective nose in the face of the NCAA with it's self-imposed days off-- er, "suspension" against Akron and Toledo. This ain't just Michigan heads "crying" that this is a farce, or gleefully laughing at Ohio State football (but you can bet your lame scarlet and gray that ass we are, considering the hell we caught for 20 extra fucking minutes of stretching).

You've got journalists in Ohio calling for Tressel to step down. You've got cats who write for the student newspaper calling for him to be fired. Downplay it with as much sarcasm and "scoreboard BITCH!!!" as you need to, but this isn't some "who cares everybody else iz jealous of us" bullshit that you guys are trying to get across on these boards.

And it appears that this story is rapidly becoming something that you, or anyone else here, can't continue to downplay by saying, "well, this isn't a big deal, everybody in college football is dirty too." Well, no shit, but guess what? It's Ohio State's turn in front of the NCAA Kangaroo Court of Justice™. Deal with it, and stop acting like this shit is about sour grapes and "u mad" and other people "hating" on your program.

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and you can't blame ohio state fans for trying to yell and fight their way out of trouble. "intelligent discourse" and "ohio state" are oil and water.

Goddamnit, shelly... lol...

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>Your head football coach willfully lied about getting a tip
>and knowingly played players who were ineligible. Fuck the
>results of the 2010 season, or "but but but 9-1!!!!!!!!!!" or
>"ALL COLLEGE FOOTBALL IS DIRTY." This cat played dumb at
>worst, lied at best. Period. Bruce Pearl got ass raped by
>the NCAA for lying. Dez Bryant got shown the fucking door for
>lying. Other schools that are NOT in the B1G Ten are watching
>this shit closely.

K.


>Your fucking athletic department just thumbed its collective
>nose in the face of the NCAA with it's self-imposed days off--
>er, "suspension" against Akron and Toledo. This ain't just
>Michigan heads "crying" that this is a farce, or gleefully
>laughing at Ohio State football (but you can bet your lame
>scarlet and gray that ass we are, considering the hell we
>caught for 20 extra fucking minutes of stretching).

K.

>You've got journalists in Ohio calling for Tressel to step
>down. You've got cats who write for the student newspaper
>calling for him to be fired. Downplay it with as much sarcasm
>and "scoreboard BITCH!!!" as you need to, but this isn't some
>"who cares everybody else iz jealous of us" bullshit that you
>guys are trying to get across on these boards.


Journalists dont matter. People with aspirations of becoming journalists dont matter. I trust the judgement of our president and AD over joe schmo from the dispatch/plain dealer/lantern/etc etc.



>And it appears that this story is rapidly becoming something
>that you, or anyone else here, can't continue to downplay by
>saying, "well, this isn't a big deal, everybody in college
>football is dirty too." Well, no shit, but guess what? It's
>Ohio State's turn in front of the NCAA Kangaroo Court of
>Justice™. Deal with it, and stop acting like this shit is
>about sour grapes and "u mad" and other people "hating" on
>your program.


The B10/NCAA tournament is around the corner, we're the number 1 seed and a favorite to win it all. There's other shit to worry about. It's out of our hands, and in the NCAAs. Jim Tressel isnt getting fired (much to OKS dismay). We're not going down in flames and we'll still run this conference.
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>The B10/NCAA tournament is around the corner, we're the number
>1 seed and a favorite to win it all. There's other shit to
>worry about. It's out of our hands, and in the NCAAs. Jim
>Tressel isnt getting fired (much to OKS dismay). We're not
>going down in flames and we'll still run this conference.

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>Journalists dont matter. People with aspirations of becoming
>journalists dont matter. I trust the judgement of our
>president and AD over joe schmo from the dispatch/plain
>dealer/lantern/etc etc.

journalist do matter because they aren't, you know BIAS. Journalist are supposed to be neutral, objective and open minded.

Don't you think the judgment of your president and AD are bit more one-sided due to their employment to the university? Of couse the AD and president are going to try to downplay this whole thing, it is in their BEST INTEREST to do so.

This is like pro Gaddafi supporters/loyalist saying, "well I am going to believe the word of Gaddafi over international journalist about possible human rights violations because he is the leader of Libya and really knows what is happening in his country."

>journalist do matter because they aren't, you know BIAS.
>Journalist are supposed to be neutral, objective and open
>minded.

Journalists don't matter in regards to choosing what coaches should be hired and fired. Which is what Zootown referred to.

>Don't you think the judgment of your president and AD are bit
>more one-sided due to their employment to the university? Of
>couse the AD and president are going to try to downplay this
>whole thing, it is in their BEST INTEREST to do so.

Exactly, to the University. Not to Jim Tressel. If they deemed that what he did was a fireable offense, they would have fired him IMO. No one down played anything. They treated it like a major violation once they were aware, they informed the NCAA and proceeded. Jim Tressel tried to cover it up, and he'll pay the consequences (along with TOSU to an extent, unfortunately).


>This is like pro Gaddafi supporters/loyalist saying, "well I
>am going to believe the word of Gaddafi over international
>journalist about possible human rights violations because he
>is the leader of Libya and really knows what is happening in
>his country."


analogy fail.
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>Exactly, to the University. Not to Jim Tressel. If they deemed
>that what he did was a fireable offense, they would have fired
>him IMO. No one down played anything. They treated it like a
>major violation once they were aware, they informed the NCAA
>and proceeded. Jim Tressel tried to cover it up, and he'll pay
>the consequences (along with TOSU to an extent,
>unfortunately).

They down played it. When asked if Gee would fire Tressel, Gee said "No. Are you kidding me? I just hope the coach doesn't dismiss me." What kind of BS is that? That was Gee's attempt to down play the situation. Jim Tressel is part of the University, he is a very notable figure and face of the university, thus it is in their best interest to protect him. Especially since they have decided to retain him as their HC.

I agree that journalist aren't the ones who decide whether Tressel is fired or not but it is their job to at least ask the question. It is their job to discuss and debate whether the punishment fits the crime. Nothing wrong with that.

I am sorry but IMO a major violation calls for more than a 2 game suspension and 250K fine. As mentioned by Will, look what happened to Pearl when he was caught lying.

and had informed the NCAA as soon as they heard about it in early January, and had NCAA investigators involved in every step of the way...just like how they did when the Maurice Clarett allegations were brought up.


>They down played it. When asked if Gee would fire Tressel, Gee
>said "No. Are you kidding me? I just hope the coach doesn't
>dismiss me." What kind of BS is that?


Agreed. I love Dr. Gee but sometimes he needs to quit with the comedian act. That wasnt a good look.


That was Gee's attempt
>to down play the situation. Jim Tressel is part of the
>University, he is a very notable figure and face of the
>university, thus it is in their best interest to protect him.
>Especially since they have decided to retain him as their HC.


>I am sorry but IMO a major violation calls for more than a 2
>game suspension and 250K fine. As mentioned by Will, look what
>happened to Pearl when he was caught lying.


Agreed, but thats now how these self reported sanctions go. You lowball the NCAA, they come back with something higher, and then you lowball them again and hope you win on the appeal. I'm bracing myself for a season long suspension.


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it makes it look like Tressel is running the show and Gee is just along for the bow ties.

I think it is great that OSU reported this as soon as they found out. My complaint is the punishment doesn't seem to fit the crime, at least IMO. I do agree with you that this is how these punishments work, low ball it and wait for the NCAA to come back with their punishment.

>journalist do matter because they aren't, you know BIAS.

their job is to drum up readership. nothing sells better than OSU. between the rabid fanbase and the rabid anti-OSU fanbase...it's a guaranteed sell.

and no they dont matter. journalists hold as much relevance as fans do. the degree of yapping in the press isnt gonna get JT fired or influence the NCAA's ruling.

>I trust the judgement of our
>president and AD over joe schmo from the dispatch/plain
>dealer/lantern/etc etc.

For me, this isn't about OSU as much as it is about the NCAA and how "fair" they are when handing down punishments.

That is all I really care about. This could be Texas, Florida, Auburn, or even Cal for all I care. I for one and probably every schools in D1 want to see what the NCAA does in this situation.

Tressel looked out for him and his season and he'll get nailed on this. Depending on how the NCAA is feeling he'll get nothing or an extra game. He isn't a repeat offender ON THIS LEVEL(before someone says 375) like Pearl so he won't get fired with the show cause.

It can't be about the action, because I think we've all come to the point where we recognize this is widespread and common.

And as for vacating the season...who cares?

Give Tressel the boot
By Grant Freking

freking.4@osu.edu

Published: Tuesday, March 8, 2011
Updated: Wednesday, March 9, 2011 10:03

http://www.thelantern.com/sports/give-tressel-the-boot-1.2083500

The NCAA shouldn't suspend Jim Tressel for more than two games. It shouldn't fine him more than $250,000 dollars. It shouldn't bar him from spring practice and summer workouts.

After it finishes its investigation, the NCAA should recommend Jim Tressel's termination as head football coach at The Ohio State University.

This incident is further proof that college athletics is spinning out of control, and a message needs to be sent to university presidents and athletic directors who let rule-breaking coaches keep their jobs because they win games and sell tickets.

And that's exactly why Tressel, who said he never considered resigning, didn't tell the athletic department that he had received an e-mail from an attorney indicating OSU football players were selling memorabilia to Edward Rife. Rife, the owner of Fine Line Ink tattoo parlor, is one of the focal points of a federal drug investigation.
Tressel's contract states that he is bound to report any possible violation immediately.

He didn't.

When Regular Joe with a normal job breaches his contract, he gets the boot.

So should The Vest.

"I am sorry and disappointed this happened," Tressel said. "At the time the situation occurred, I thought I was doing the right thing."
Doing the right thing? Surely a deeply religious man with a newly released book titled "Life Promises for Success: Promises from God on Achieving Your Best" knows the difference between right and wrong.

Or does he?

Maurice Clarett and Troy Smith, the highest-profile players of the Tressel era other than current Buckeye quarterback Terrelle Pryor, were both suspended for accepting improper benefits. Tressel also had a player do the same thing at Youngstown State.

It's clear that Tressel, also author of "The Winner's Manual," wants to win at all cost. The mantra is shared by athletic director Gene Smith and university President E. Gordon Gee, who make up the university's "Big Three."

When asked whether he considered firing Tressel, Gee gave a clear indication of who actually runs the university.

"No, are you kidding?" Gee said with a laugh. "Let me be very clear: I'm just hoping the coach doesn't dismiss me."

I rest my case.

At this point OSU has given Tressel a slap on the wrist. The NCAA should break his arm.
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sorry, but there are just things ohio state does gleefully that penn state won't.

Remember when PSU stopped getting shit on by everyone? The resurgence of competitiveness? When you got some nuts about you on this college football shit?

It coincided with this;

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=3504915

There were these incidents;

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/36535-from-penn-state-to-state-penn-penn-states-nine-best-ever-arrests

This is off a basic google search. Also, again...it's state college, the infractions that go on in major cities that might get some light can chill in that area because of the closed town atmosphere. If someone snitched on the local tattoo joint, that person would be ostracized.

In short, come the fuck on, we both know you're smarter than this and having this discussion about this flawed system serves no good.

that's normal college kid shit. you never heard me say shit about that anywhere. you'd love to be able to compare apples to oranges, but it won't fly. raising hell is one thing, and i think there's a limit to what programs can do to control that. pay-for-play schemes are the easiest things in the world to spot and sniff out. Yahoo does it with a twelve person staff. if that shit happens at the level it does at ohio state, it's because the program wants it to happen.

hell, after the initial bout of glee, i even defended the Ohio State players pre Sugar Bowl. you should be able to sell your shit. but the AJ Hawk shit, the free cars, and all the rest of that is endemic of a pay for play system. i will agree that this exists at most BCS schools. it may even exist at Penn State and Michigan, but the series of violations y'all have wracked up shows that you do it far more and to a far greater extent than not just those two schools but most of em.

DUI's fights and weed are more socially acceptable than side compensation for being an elite member of a small group? Ok, so you aren't playing stupid you just have an interesting moral compass.

You're right that there's a pay for play system for some student-athletes. You're wrong in acting as if your campus is free of it or that it's really wrong on a micro level. (There are issues with competitive balance and corruption on a larger level)

Also, yes, I never claimed OSU didn't do it big, there's a reason why the program is in the top 5-10 every year. The amount you're willing to look past to keep 5* recruits flowing is fairly commiserate with the success of your program. JT just needed some classes on email etiquette and technology. Think Saban, Meyer, or even Kiffin is getting caught on the email? NOPE

What happens at OSU happens at every school you watched play From January 1 on. I mean, if you're mad that your school is wack in football, get on our level and get better boosters.

I'll take BCS games and illegal cash flow over 8 wins and stupid weedcarriers and social rabble rousing 10 times out of 10

>DUI's fights and weed are more socially acceptable than side
>compensation for being an elite member of a small group? Ok,
>so you aren't playing stupid you just have an interesting
>moral compass.

I'll take "trying to get on a high horse and falling flat" for 100, Alex.


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I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

Go get paid for something you do exceptionally. Try that instead of rooting for a wack pimpish system that keeps kids broke and acting like there's ANY purity in this big football shit.

the players should absolutely get what they can. the whole system sucks...but tressel is an agent of that system. it's his responsibility to make sure the rules are followed. some school ignore the system in pursuit of winning more than others. OHNO is clearly one of those places.

>the players should absolutely get what they can. the whole
>system sucks...but tressel is an agent of that system. it's
>his responsibility to make sure the rules are followed. some
>school ignore the system in pursuit of winning more than
>others. OHNO is clearly one of those places.

Ok and after 50-11 replies we're going to end up standing in the same wide circle? ... I h8 you now.

Tress is a snake for the way he held this over the kids heads, especially given that it's logical thought to assume he may have been doing it before it came all the way to light in the public.

Speaking to the letter of the law, you're correct in his duties too, I tend to err on the side of ignoring those rules because of how inconsistently they're applied and enforced though.

See I can forgive the kids because as you said, most of them are broke and the whole system is profiting off them. Plus, throw in the fact that they are kids and kids don't make the best decisions.

However, this is the coach, who is supposed to know better who fucked up. This was a veteran coach, who is well respected because of his "morals" who fucked up. This is a coach who knows how the NCAA works and has dealt with NCAA violations in the past who fucked up.

This is a grown man who lied about knowing any of this in December and tried to blame this whole mess on the kids. He basically threw these kids under the bus for his own reputation and professional gain.

get that cash, kid.

Jim Tressel, on the other hand, lies to protect his chances of winning. OSU, on the other hand, turned a blind eye towards cheating.

Jim Tressel and OSU have no moral defense of their actions and their lies.

and you're deflecting back to the kids because you KNOW the coach was wrong.
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I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

"If you want to be mad at JT, be mad at him ostensibly holding this over his players heads and forcing them to play another year when he KNEW the deal the whole season."

Who's getting blamed for what?

Tress= a snake in a way many of his peers are and especially wrong for how it seems he used the kids.
kids=rulebreakers but morally I find no fault in their actions and hate that they're hemmed up
Fans=inconsistent, mad at the wrong things, idiotically running to the rulebook in a system where the majority of the successful wipe their ass with said rules

You caught up now? IF you're still thinking that I'm deflecting go check the archives where I go at it with OSU fans for how JT treats his players he deems he doesn't need anymore. Like the Ray Small/Rob Rose types.

either that or he is demonstrably DUMBER than others, because he's the only one we know that has basically blackmailed players.

so you either support a uniquely DIRTY coach or you support a uniquely STUPID coach. either way, he's an embarrassment to a program, right today.

edit: also, if things are wrong on a macro level, then they are wrong on the micro level. that's why they're not allowed at a micro level. else you're devolving into anarchy. There are lots of things I could do that are harmless that are not acceptable because at the macro level, it's a problem. the "no harm, no foul" logic just doesn't really work.

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I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

Or take a look at Bruce Feldman's book on recruiting and how Meyer handled his when he was building UF. Then talk about someone being uniquely dirty. He doesn't stand out.

Now sending emails? whooo that's a big hustle backwards. Someone had to let him know about this so he was either slipping or in desperate need of training. (I said that above too)

In any case..I'm not a JT fan, I'm not really an OSU fan either I just live here. I'm just not a fan of shortsighted moralizers.

because, to my knowledge, there isn't an EXPLICIT RULE about it. in fact, there are loopholes.

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I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

Tell him his situation is cool because of a loophole.

That's obviously not as egregious morally as looking the other way in an attempt to hustle a BCS game. I swear you better not smoke weed, jaywalk, lie on taxes, none of it. Ole letter of the law-ass motherfucker

and instead converse with me, that'd be great.

i called it excruciatingly dirty but not the same.

not the same does not mean "it's fine." or "i'm cool with it." or even "i'll defend it." just: IT ISN'T TECHNICALLY, BLATANTLY NOT ALLOWED.

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I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

> go check the archives where I go at it with OSU
>fans for how JT treats his players he deems he doesn't need
>anymore. Like the Ray Small/Rob Rose types.

as far as i can recall, u were even willing to admit that small was just an out and out knucklehead

His decision isn't bond.

And Ray is silly and definitely the product of insufficient daddying but if that "family" shit that Tress spit was equally applied the Ray would have developed. He wasn't bad, he just showed up on some Namond Brice shit. No grown man at all. And they let him be stupid without real consequence till they found another slot and returner they felt good about.

Trust me, theres plenty of fault on the Smalls and Tress.

dude had about a billion chances and a world of talent. hes not a bad guy but hes a certifiable knucklehead.

i think it takes a whole lot of dumbfuckery to not be able to play at OSU.

yup, same thing as free tats.

...Who prank phone calls? Really? Acting like a Jerky Boy post-97 vs. free tats=harmless on both sides. Except one carries criminal charges and one is a HOOK-UP. WHO HATES THE HOOK-UP? Communists? People with no marketable skill?

>JT is from Youngstown, the land of quiet gangster, anyone
>thinking he was less dirty than the rest of his peers was and
>is a fucking clown. or far too myopic

the only reason that it's a "control city" on road signs still...
that place is The Mob.

but Youngstown grew him..had him skippin rules..the Strollo family showed him the shit was cool...(c) Hov

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http://mgoblog.com/content/somewhat-complete-accounting-recent-ohio-state-funny-business

or the record. Let me know if I've missed anything. Right now it's just on the edge of plausibility that incidents are "isolated," reported solely by lint-brush-wielding madmen.
2003

That's a nice car/job/wad of money. Maurice Clarett sits out the season after claiming his expensive dealership car was robbed of over 10k in stuff. Questioned by the NCAA, Clarett refuses to give straight answers to questions 17 times because "half the team would've been suspended, and it would've been worse for everybody."

Clarett also claims his grades were total fiction, he got phantom jobs, that coaches would tell him to talk to certain people who just happened to drop thousands of dollars they didn't care about, that he got free cars and free rent. Ohio State fans discount Clarett as mentally unstable, which he is.

That's a nice tutor. Clarett's grad student tutor confirms the total fiction grades bit of Clarett's story to the New York Times. The internal response was lovely: "Goings attacked the teaching assistant's credibility, saying he found it difficult to believe her because she had a history of psychiatric problems and displayed what he called erratic behavior." Goings calls the tutor a liar and fires her after she meets with him about another player.
2004

That's a nice job. Booster Robert Q Baker gives Troy Smith $500 for a fake job, getting Smith suspended a couple games and himself dissociated from the program. A couple years earlier Chris Gamble also worked for Baker's company.
2005

AJ Hawk is a depression-era farmer. The apartment of AJ Hawk and Nick Mangold is robbed. Items declared missing include $1400 worth of movies, a $500 Gucci watch, and $3000 in cash, presumably kept under the bed and away from those fat cats at National City.
2010

Tatgate. Five Ohio State players are found to have sold memorabilia in exchange for tattoos. Jim Tressel is given a credible tip about it in April and does nothing.

That's a nice car II. Terrelle Pryor has been pulled over for traffic violations three times in his Ohio State career. All three times he was in a car registered to Auto Direct, a local dealership. The guy running the dealership is named "Kniffin"—not a good sign. He also has signed OSU memorabilia all over his walls.
Ongoing

You can't throw a rock on eBay without hitting an auction for the gold pants charms handed out after Michigan victories from as recently as 2009—which means there's a fair chance the players in question are still on the team.

Between January 1st, 2000, and May 2009 Ohio State reported 375 secondary violations, most of any D-I school.

38 PER YEAR?

>AJ Hawk is a depression-era farmer. The apartment of AJ Hawk
>and Nick Mangold is robbed. Items declared missing include
>$1400 worth of movies, a $500 Gucci watch, and $3000 in cash,
>presumably kept under the bed and away from those fat cats at
>National City.

Santonio Holmes is taken care of.

Former NFL agent Josh Luchs outed dozens of players in the SI cover story that served as promotion from his upcoming book, but he'd long stopped paying when he visited Santonio Holmes in '05:

"We met (Holmes) outside the football building," Luchs wrote, "and he said, 'Listen, I want to save you the time. We don't need to meet. I've been taking money from (an agent) the last couple years, and he's been taking care of my family too.'"

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As long as it's sold for market value.

and what's "fair market value" for athletic memorabilia? you could argue any price is fair.

i agree players should be able to sell their own stuff, but it opens up so many potential loop holes for shady shit...i see why it's deemed illegal.

can earn before graduation. with any extra amount going to charities.

i just want to see if they've used the integrity defense in the past, just because it makes all of this even more funny.

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Jim Tressel and the NCAA: A timeline
Published: Tuesday, March 08, 2011, 10:14 PM
Updated: Tuesday, March 08, 2011, 10:33 PM

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2011/03/jim_tressel_and_the_ncaa_a_tim.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Reviewing the Ohio State coach's brushes with the NCAA rulebook:

At Youngstown State

Feb. 16, 2000: YSU self-imposes sanctions, which the NCAA approves, on Tressel's football program after a two-year investigation finds improper payments to a football player by a member of the school's board of trustees. As part of the sanctions, YSU vacated six scholarships over a three-year period and reduced its number of paid recruiting visits. Michael Monus, former YSU board chairman, was found to have provided nearly $10,000 and the use of automobiles to Ray Isaac, who was in the program from 1988 to '92. Monus and Isaac were banned from any participation in YSU athletics. The university's report to the NCAA said no one else at the university had any knowledge at the time of the Monus and Isaac arrangement.

At Ohio State

July 12, 2003: The New York Times quotes a teaching assistant at Ohio State as saying running back Maurice Clarett received "preferential treatment." She says he walked out of a midterm exam but ended up passing the class after the professor gave him an oral exam.

July 29, 2003: Ohio State confirms the NCAA is investigating Clarett's claim that more than $10,000 in clothing, CDs, cash and stereo equipment was stolen in April from a 2001 Chevrolet Monte Carlo that Clarett had borrowed from a local dealership.

Sept. 9, 2003: Clarett charged with misdemeanor falsification on the police report on the theft. The charge carries a penalty ranging from probation to six months in jail and $1,000 fine.

Sept. 10, 2003: Then-athletic director Andy Geiger announces Clarett is suspended for the season. Geiger said Clarett received special benefits worth thousands of dollars from a family friend and repeatedly misled investigators.

Dec. 17, 2003: Ohio State says a university committee finds no evidence to support allegations of academic misconduct by athletes, including Clarett.

Dec. 20, 2004: Troy Smith suspended for 2004 Alamo Bowl, and eventually for 2005 season opener, for accepting about $500 from a booster.

Dec. 28, 2004: Ohio State announces it will sanction a booster who gave money to quarterback Troy Smith.

Early 2009: Between the end of the 2008-09 season and early in the 2009-10 season, players Terrelle Pryor, Dan Herron, DeVier Posey, Mike Adams and Solomon Thomas sell memorabilia for a total of $7,050 to the owner of a Columbus tattoo parlor. The merchandise includes 2008 Big Ten championship rings, Herron's jersey, the gold pants charm Pryor received for beating Michigan and Pryor's 2009 Fiesta Bowl Sportsmanship Award. Herron, Posey, Thomas and linebacker Jordan Whiting also receive discounted tattoos.

November 2009: The Ohio State compliance office goes into more detail about players not being allowed to resell items such as championship rings and jerseys given to them by the school. The players realize they have violated an NCAA rule with their previous sale, but stay silent.

April 2010: Tressel receives e-mails saying some of his players broke NCAA rules by selling memorabilia but keeps the information to himself.

Dec. 7, 2010: U.S. Attorney's office discovers Ohio State memorabilia in a raid on the tattoo parlor and home of the owner.

Dec. 8, 2010: Attorney's office informs the Ohio State Athletic Department of the discovery.

Dec. 9-15, 2010: Ohio State starts what Athletic Director Gene Smith called "investigation planning."

Dec. 16, 2010: Ohio State interviews the players involved.

Dec. 17, 2010: Ohio State tells the NCAA and Big Ten that it plans to self-report violations.

Dec. 19, 2010: Ohio State submits the report.

Dec. 21, 2010: NCAA conducts phone interviews with the players involved; the Buckeyes practice for the last time before breaking for Christmas.

Dec. 22, 2010: NCAA makes its decision, ruling the five players ineligible for the first five games of 2011 and Whiting ineligible for the first game of 2011. All remain eligible for the Sugar Bowl.

Dec. 23, 2010: Ohio State calls the players and informs them of the ruling and holds a news conference.

Jan. 4, 2011: Ohio State wins the Sugar Bowl, 31-26, over Arkansas with a full roster.

Monday: An Yahoo Sports report says Tressel knew in April 2010 of possible NCAA violations involving players selling memorabilia to owner of a tattoo parlor.

Tuesday: Ohio State suspends Tressel for two games and fines him $250,000 for having knowledge in April about players who sold the merchandise and failing to notify the university. Tressel also must attend an NCAA compliance seminar. OSU became aware of this situation Jan. 13 and notified the NCAA on Feb. 3. The NCAA might accept or alter OSU's self-imposed penalties, according to AD Gene Smith.

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would be willing to believe him a bit more. The fact is he has dealt with the NCAA in the past and as a veteran coach with his amount of experience in college coaching, he should know better than anyone how this works.

>would be willing to believe him a bit more. The fact is he
>has dealt with the NCAA in the past and as a veteran coach
>with his amount of experience in college coaching, he should
>know better than anyone how this works.

I meant a first time CFB HC, kind of like PC at USC or a guy who has NFL HC experience but no CFB HC experience.

Even then you are still right, no excuse for this kind of oversight.

penalties or sanctions against OSU, Jim Delaney will help protect OSU and Tressel.

I understand why OSU fans aren't that worried.

that's a given, they're slow to do anything but their hand is kinda forced here.

He knowingly witheld information that would have kept his best players out of games if not a full season, to have him sit out two games against D-1A schools & surrender 7% of his paycheck is not going to be enough when his own players are getting five games (conveniently not including last year's Bowl Game for those phony-asses in the NCAA who wanted to get their money but whatever).

OSU athletics, the new Big 10, and Jim Delany have a lot of power and influence. In my opinion OSU deserves just as harsh a punishment as USC.

Plus, as you said, the NCAA is slow as hell. Would they implement a penalty before this season? I don't know but something tells me that if the NCAA investigation is still going on during this season and a penalty hasn't been imposed on OSU or Tressel, you could see Tressel "retire" after the 2011 season to escape any further punishment from the NCAA.

but even as cynical as I am regarding the whole sordid environment, I'm almost positive that the little self-imposed slap-on-the-wrist is not going to be the end of this.

no way can the NCAA not punish Tressel/OSU more and then turn down your appeal with a straight face. If the NCAA upholds the SC punishment, they will have to go in harder on Tressel/OSU.

As others have been saying, Dez Bryant lost a whole fucking year for lying to the NCAA.

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harsher punishment than the players. Cmon O$U, the players got 5 games & sweater vest gets 2 games? Did they even think that through? - lol

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>harsher punishment than the players. Cmon O$U, the players
>got 5 games & sweater vest gets 2 games? Did they even think
>that through? - lol
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but its not like we won a Rose Bowl or a championship...the streak vs Michigan would end tho..that kinda sucks.

I think Tress will be suspended for 6 to 8 games..

but we'll keep the schollies and wont face a post season ban...


but yea, this upcoming season just got a whole lot more intriguing.



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punishment should be?

Granted, all of the facts haven't come out, but, assuming the worst, what do you think is a fair punishment for Tressel and the program?

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but I wouldnt be surprised if the NCAA suspends him for the entire season.



>punishment should be?
>
>Granted, all of the facts haven't come out, but, assuming the
>worst, what do you think is a fair punishment for Tressel and
>the program?
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>also on Facebook
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>I WILL NOT LET YOU FORGET IT


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>but its not like we won a Rose Bowl or a championship...the
>streak vs Michigan would end tho..that kinda sucks.
>
>I think Tress will be suspended for 6 to 8 games..
>
>but we'll keep the schollies and wont face a post season
>ban...
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which basically adds up to not much, based on recent past events this cover-up should cost them more than a few blights on a record book & a few extra games on the front-end of the season because the coach basically knowingly played ineligible players and lied about it but somehow I believe there won't be loss of scholarships or postseason games.

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cause i havent sat here endlessly combing the interwebs for details on this situation so I may be behind and/or ignorant to certain aspects.

people here mentioning that JT held the 'pact' over the players as some form of blackmail to get them to stay another year...do i have this right?

what exactly was he holding over the players at this point in time? to what further extent could the players have been punished?

interesting play.

meanwhile my name isnt JT and my ass isnt on the line here. i dont know what the fuck I would be avoiding or what responsibility I have to'discuss' anything. lol.

this aint a chess game, i asked a legit question, if you dont feel like answering then KIM.

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>people here mentioning that JT held the 'pact' over the
>players as some form of blackmail to get them to stay another
>year...


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id love for someone to explain it to me in a logical fashion

make me a believer

kinda doesn't make sense to me, maybe meaningless bowl games really DO mean something to some ppl iono
if i was willing to bounce for the draft i'd peace out bowl game or not

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player hatin from the sidelines

You'd have to be a better program to be worthy of actual hate.

I just happen to enjoy watching hypocrites fall & laughing at y'all, 'playa'.

>You'd have to be a better program to be worthy of actual
>hate.

enjoy swapping jokes with a fans of a similarly irrelevant program to yours

hell, michigan will probably be back before SC.

But that's neither here nor there, keep trying to spin it about 'hate/fandom' or 'michigan' when really it's about hypocrites & hilarity.

and with a coach that is by far the most embarrassing in all of DI.


>But that's neither here nor there, keep trying to spin it
>about 'hate/fandom' or 'michigan' when really it's about
>hypocrites & hilarity.

theres no spin. again with the conspiracy theories.

it was just an observation...and a humorous one IMO. keep on fighting the good fight with the fanbase of a fellow sad sack program. OSU will still be doing its thing this year. and between football and bball OSU will still be running the most SUCCESSFUL athletic program in the nation.

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Columbus: Ohio Supreme Court suspends lawyer Christopher Cicero from the practice of law for one year; Cicero is accused of having a sexual relationship with Judge Deborah O'Neill, who had assigned him to handle a case in her court

edit: why in the fuck would a LAWYER send an unsolicited email containing incriminating info to a public official at his .edu account?

this sounds like some random dumbfuck that desperately wanted to get closer to the program.

to come clean about what he knew: when it happened (CORRECT ANSWER), when the shit hit the fan on his players (eh, not admirable but BETTER), or even after the whole shebang when his own emails expose his charade completely (words woulda surely rang hollow but amazingly STILL NO, Vest still plays dumb & pretends he did nothing wrong while stuttering through a press conference).

LMFAO, what a JOKE that guy's act is, his bitchmade-bible-thumper hypocritical-hoe card has been pulled from here til eternity over this bullshit.

Dude didn't even have Bruce Pearl levels of decency after the fact & still doesn't grasp the cover-up is always worse than the crime.

http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/200086-jbh/86/32/fatality_display.gif

>to come clean about what he knew: when it happened (CORRECT
>ANSWER), when the shit hit the fan on his players (eh, not
>admirable but BETTER), or even after the whole shebang when
>his own emails expose his charade completely (words woulda
>surely rang hollow but amazingly STILL NO, Vest still plays
>dumb & pretends he did nothing wrong while stuttering through
>a press conference).
>
>LMFAO, what a JOKE that guy's act is, his
>bitchmade-bible-thumper hypocritical-hoe card has been pulled
>from here til eternity over this bullshit.
>
>Dude didn't even have Bruce Pearl levels of decency after the
>fact & still doesn't grasp the cover-up is always worse than
>the crime.
>


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maybe cicero = brown sugar and this was a brilliant attempt at sabotage

as soon as that email was sent it was game over.

that's why i cant imagine this clown had any real relationship with tressel...if he did, he wouldve been able to communicate with him via non-retarded means

Just making sure y'all know that.











































































rabble rabble rabble

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FOH

better make it 500

The whole thing is idiotic. The players and coach think they are above it all, and in Columbus they probably were, but the feds aren't gonna help you cover something up for your lil football team. So that info is public now and the whole organization looks stupid. Tressel's press conference was pathetic. I had a sick feeling in my stomach, and still kinda do today about this shit. I think the biggest thing is to not have to vacate that w vs Arkansas. LOL

>The whole thing is idiotic. The players and coach think they
>are above it all, and in Columbus they probably were, but the
>feds aren't gonna help you cover something up for your lil
>football team. So that info is public now and the whole
>organization looks stupid. Tressel's press conference was
>pathetic. I had a sick feeling in my stomach, and still kinda
>do today about this shit. I think the biggest thing is to not
>have to vacate that w vs Arkansas. LOL

vacating last season sucks...but at least we're spotting Michigan a W in the rivalry, they need all the help they can get, and I want it to become a real rivalry again. Not big brother beating up on little sister year in and year our.


The Vest fucked up. But he's still a top 5 coach in the country, and I wouldnt want anyone else at the helm (the thought of Urban Meyer roaming our sidelines makes me shudder)


Tressel will be suspended for at least half the season, but we'll still beat Miami....I think we lose @ Nebraska (considering that will be Pryor and co. first game back)...but we'll still win the conference.


oh yea...Braxton > Denard.

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>>The whole thing is idiotic. The players and coach think
>they
>>are above it all, and in Columbus they probably were, but
>the
>>feds aren't gonna help you cover something up for your lil
>>football team. So that info is public now and the whole
>>organization looks stupid. Tressel's press conference was
>>pathetic. I had a sick feeling in my stomach, and still
>kinda
>>do today about this shit. I think the biggest thing is to
>not
>>have to vacate that w vs Arkansas. LOL
>
>vacating last season sucks...but at least we're spotting
>Michigan a W in the rivalry, they need all the help they can
>get, and I want it to become a real rivalry again. Not big
>brother beating up on little sister year in and year our.
>
>
>The Vest fucked up. But he's still a top 5 coach in the
>country, and I wouldnt want anyone else at the helm (the
>thought of Urban Meyer roaming our sidelines makes me
>shudder)
>
>
>Tressel will be suspended for at least half the season, but
>we'll still beat Miami....I think we lose @ Nebraska
>(considering that will be Pryor and co. first game back)...but
>we'll still win the conference.
>
>
>oh yea...Braxton > Denard.
>
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it wont affect the future of the program (which includes many many more wins over Michigan)


the only part about the press conference that made me cringe was when he quoted Bush...I'm sure every liberal TOSU fan was going "noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"...lol.
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The one who, when all the shit came down, was quoted by a reporter just acting like a complete tone-deaf ass, saying "Great day to be a Trojan," "everyone's trying to take us down because they're jealous," etc? And how it only made him somehow look like an even bigger cuntface by trying in vain to turn a culture of win-at-all-cost rulebreaking into an issue of "they iz just cuz mad we win?"

Me neither.

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of the Reggie situation. Meanwhile...

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but youre smarter than that.
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and its not all that smart

or you can continue throwing shit at a wall and hope that it sticks.

as already said, this isnt reggie/mayo gate on any level (please argue this if you disagree)...and there isnt an osu fan here that doesnt feel that JT was in the wrong and deserves to be punished.

so again, whats your point? errrrrrrr...

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The attitudes displayed by tOSU fans in this post mirror that of USC guy.

>The attitudes displayed by tOSU fans in this post mirror that
>of USC guy.

*channels inner Mike Garrett*

but we aren't displaying these supposed attitudes to NCAA compliance officers. Just a bunch of people on a msg board. And the majority of the people in this thread talkin that dumb shit are fans of inferior programs with inferior athletic departments, and are jealous of TOSU's successes.

It's pretty obvious.




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>and are jealous of TOSU's successes.

you think its merely coincidence that i hate the yankees and revel in every loss/PR embarrassment of theirs?

you really think brown sugar's motives arent at least partially motivated by the fact that JT completely annihilated his fav program?

lets just be honest with ourselves here. this is a fundamental aspect of sports fandom.

But I can speak to mine, and so far I've read what boils down to two sad, sad excuses for Tressel's behavior:

1. All programs are dirty.
2. Everyone is just jealous.

As for #1: So fucking what? You're still dirty.
As for #2: Grow the fuck up.

My alma mater hasn't been relevant in football since the early '90s, and I don't care, because at least the program is relatively clean. Nor do I give a shit about the Big 10 in general, so I'm pretty sure I'm not "jealous." LOL.

But I sure hope Tressel and OSU get the book thrown at them, because like a lot of sensible people, I think dirty ought to be punished.

vacating last season and the HC being suspended for the majority of a season is pretty heavy.



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>But I can speak to mine, and so far I've read what boils down
>to two sad, sad excuses for Tressel's behavior:
>
>1. All programs are dirty.
>2. Everyone is just jealous.

except that just above, i said what he did was wrong and deserved to be punished.

at no time did i offer an excuse for his behavior. i dont recall reading that by anyone else either.

no matter how osu fans reacted to it...people were gonna find some reason (or conjure up a bs reason) to have a problem with it.

the accusations of 'jealousy' are in reference to the reactions to the event. which says nothing about the act itself or how we feel about it.

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*shrug*

You're reaching like a 3 year old for the cereal box on top of the fridge.


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I'm a little disappointed that we have to vacate last year but nothing said on here is ever taken personally.

Believe what you want.
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>I'm a little disappointed that we have to vacate last year
>but nothing said on here is ever taken personally.
>


>Believe what you want.

here's the bottom line. we support a team whose coached lied about players getting free tats. and that makes us shitheads. end of story.

>>I'm a little disappointed that we have to vacate last year
>>but nothing said on here is ever taken personally.

..I'd love to be proven wrong.

>>Believe what you want.
>
>here's the bottom line. we support a team whose coached lied
>about players getting free tats. and that makes us shitheads.
> end of story.


lol..people spouting off about drug dealers in DC, Gaddafi, Mike Garrett, Bruce Pearl, Pete Carroll, etc..and they think theyre making valid points too

...shit is hilarious, and will only get better..we should get an anchor.



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might be a bit premature. its a PR mess currently but that will die down soon enough...especially since it seems like theres going to be another school on the hot seat pretty damn soon. yahoo is going in on all of college football HARD.

the first half of the season will be a clusterfuck (as it was going to be already) and after that i dont see much effect from this. but we'll see.

surely you cant be insinuating that brown sugar isnt in fact a completely JEALOUS and obsessed bitch whose posting like its his occupation. hell, i think dude would actually admit that himself, lol.

I know you both despise one another's alma maters, that's about it.

And every single post by a Buckeye fan in here.

>And every single post by a Buckeye fan in here.

if i acted like a dickhead, id be glad to admit it.

>if i acted like a dickhead, id be glad to admit it.
>

And tell me that Youngstown remark a few posts ago was sarcastic. Youngstown makes Rockford look like Chicago.

>>if i acted like a dickhead, id be glad to admit it.
>>
>
>And tell me that Youngstown remark a few posts ago was
>sarcastic. Youngstown makes Rockford look like Chicago.

when he was talking about how it was a cradle of coaching during the UF/Sooner game I think (Meyer and Stoops both being from the area)

...obviously
you see why its hilarious

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>>if i acted like a dickhead, id be glad to admit it.
>>
>
>And tell me that Youngstown remark a few posts ago was
>sarcastic. Youngstown makes Rockford look like Chicago.

you've had about 10 chances to explain yourself in a logical fashion and youve been evasive each time.

at this point youre the only one acting like a dick.

No, I didn't know Kirk Herbstreit said that. Should I?

>No, I didn't know Kirk Herbstreit said that. Should I?

i really wish more people did cause it may have been the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard during a broadcast.

But damn. This is just sad.

I don't understand what is so difficult about admitting that your head coach doesn't exactly walk the walk. He is a hypocrite, so be it. Your program is as dirty as they come, and pretending 10-2 every year makes you the best in the country is downright pathetic. Why are yall so adamant about standing behind this guy, when its obvious he is a snake? Show some fucking pride in your school, not in some two-faced crook who has won a few ballgames.

Now please tell me I'm a jealous fan of an inferior program, so I can then say this:

http://www.secsportsfan.com/images/lsu-vs-ohio-state.jpg

>But damn. This is just sad.
>
>I don't understand what is so difficult about admitting that
>your head coach doesn't exactly walk the walk. He is a
>hypocrite, so be it. Your program is as dirty as they come,
>and pretending 10-2 every year makes you the best in the
>country is downright pathetic. Why are yall so adamant about
>standing behind this guy, when its obvious he is a snake? Show
>some fucking pride in your school, not in some two-faced crook
>who has won a few ballgames.
>
>Now please tell me I'm a jealous fan of an inferior program,
>so I can then say this:
>
>http://www.secsportsfan.com/images/lsu-vs-ohio-state.jpg


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the top 5 programs over the past decade, who the fuck is?

I love that the Vest is exposed as no different, no less slick or dirty than any of those sweet talking southerners that always get shit talked about in the SEC or Les Miles.

That shit makes me smile only because I've always maintained that EVERY fucking program is dirty. ALL of them. It's just a matter of getting caught.

Sometimes the coach knows, sometimes they choose not to know and sometimes they're just ignorant. In this case he knew.

Out the window with that aww shucks midwestern, "we do it right" steez.

Finally.

There's no way you get a 4 star out of the South East past all the SEC and ACC schools without having some dirt. I'm sorry. There's nothing compelling about leaving the south to play football unless you're running from demons.

and suspends their head coach

hell, at this point telling the NCAA to fuck off and refusing to cooperate is probably the smart route to take.

JuCO in a HEART beat. We've ruined releationships with so many highschools behind that. We've sent their starts to Hargrove if they had an issue.

We should have done that with Caleb King too.

Why are you taking offense? I'm saying everyone is the same. Also, you get no points for self reporting when it is obvious you had a great chance of getting caught.

Including my school, LSU, just last year:

http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/9739/lsu-self-reports-ncaa-violations

Self reporting is standard operating procedure for a big time program, not some valient, righteous fucking act. These guys are seriously delusional.

And I love how the SEC is always made to be height of corruption in college football, while USC and OSU fans are in here arguing about who's slimeball ass coach is less dirty.

UGA seems to do shit a bit differently. Richt seems like a decent guy in the same way Tressel seems like a decent guy. you can only be so decent, however.

but my point was that Auburn told the NCAA to shove it. and then went out and won a 'chip. they werent self reporting shit.


>Why are you taking offense?

don't see that i am

>I'm saying everyone is the same.
>Also, you get no points for self reporting when it is obvious
>you had a great chance of getting caught.

which is kind of strange in the OSU case, because the moment that fuckface lawyer sent that email...it was a wrap.

i cant even understand tressel sitting there and reading the emails sent to his public account. dont they have a gatekeeper for that kind of shit? hell, we couldve pinned all of this on some incompetent secretary that 'forgot' to forward the email to the powers that be.

“Since 2006, the NCAA has sanctioned 27 schools for violating bylaw 10.1, which requires coaches and others to be truthful and forthcoming about possible NCAA violations. Of the 12 coaches involved, only one kept his job. The others either resigned or were fired by their schools.” Ohio State terminated relationships with Jim O’Brien and Maurice Clarett after unethical conduct charges.

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/03/10/if-ohio-state-had-followed-precedent-jim-tressel-would-have-been-fired/

and OSU has already said they wont be firing him...sooooooo?

i find the clamoring for this guy to be fired (and this isnt the first time) to be awfully humorous. i mean, yall arent even OSU fans...what the fuck would it matter to you?

OSU wants him to stay.

the players want him to stay.

OSU fans want him to stay.

and thats really all that matters.

>and OSU has already said they wont be firing him...sooooooo?
>
>i find the clamoring for this guy to be fired (and this isnt
>the first time) to be awfully humorous. i mean, yall arent
>even OSU fans...what the fuck would it matter to you?
>
>OSU wants him to stay.
>
>the players want him to stay.
>
>OSU fans want him to stay.
>
>and thats really all that matters.


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?

I mean, for some reason there are a lot of Michigan fans on here, and some vocal Ohio State ones. that's why the Michigan-Ohio State threads go platinum despite being the worst rivalry games in recent memory.

I can't name a single *real* Auburn fan, and the one bama fan went back to lurking. the only USC fan here has a well-known origin of Philly. it's more dependent on poster numbers than the act -- Bruce Pearl did practically the same thing, and the only people who cared were the two Kentucky fans on here.

>I mean, for some reason there are a lot of Michigan fans on
>here, and some vocal Ohio State ones. that's why the
>Michigan-Ohio State threads go platinum despite being the
>worst rivalry games in recent memory.

this thread isnt relegated to michigan-OSU. you got fans of other schools wanting dude to be fired. that's a strange reaction.

>I can't name a single *real* Auburn fan, and the one bama fan
>went back to lurking.

except this entire board (myself included) spent the entire season pulling for a player who was caught on tape being auctioned off for 150k.

Oregon funneling 25k into the hands of a street agent and putting it on the fucking books...that story lasted about 8 seconds.

folks on here gets a moral conscious when it suits them.


> Bruce Pearl did practically the same thing, and the
>only people who cared were the two Kentucky fans on here.

ya i honestly couldnt tell you what bruce pearl did.

to Ohio State? that would have to be true if you wanted the *same* reaction. Auburn doesn't have any real fans here -- people liked Newton, but the team hasn't been good enough recently to incite widespread hate (like how people thought the 2001 Patriots were a cute story at the time). Newton is gone, and nobody is going to give a shit if they go 5-7 next season and Chizik is fired for selling coke.

anyway, you can cite comparable differences all day. 3/4 the replies are from rival Big 11 fans -- no surprise. another 1/5 the replies are from Bombastic gloating in role reversal after the infatuation you and guru had with USC. the rest of the comments are typical reactions to any high profile coach who has to be suspended by his own school.

although yeah, people change their moral code based on circumstance.

> another 1/5
>the replies are from Bombastic gloating in role reversal after
>the infatuation you and guru had with USC.

and guess why me and guru hated sc? aside from leinart being a punk...it was cause SC was better than our squad. it was fun to see their empire go down.

at least me and guru have the balls to be straight forward about it. but yeah, we're 'delusional assholes'...lol.

>the rest of the
>comments are typical reactions to any high profile coach who
>has to be suspended by his own school.

the demand for someone to be fired is extra. and we know why big 10 fans want tressel out of there.

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i mean, he hasn't been 'busted' for anything...yet.

you either love JT or u hate him and nobody is gonna be swayed one way or the other after what's just happened.

This has certainly changed his perception in the eyes of many, deservedly so.

FOH

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people who liked him will forgive him and move on with their lives.

whoopty doo.

own actions leading to him being exposed in public fashion.

Plenty of people who 'liked' Tressel are shitting on him for this, deservedly so.

And everyone sees how they're playing this.

They're a dirty yet sanctimonious program like almost every other one on the planet. And if they had any integrity at all, they'd fire him, like most other colleges have done in equally serious situations.

But they're not. And they're showing who they are. An elite college program who's completely subservient to the man who's brought them W's, so they'll ignore transgressions in order to keep winning by playing loose with semantic games and pretzel-like legal justifications.

It's pretty straightforward.

>And everyone sees how they're playing this.

well, i dont think this is over. and i think there's a lot more to this story than meets the eye cause a lot of it doesnt add up. maybe there's more shit to incriminate osu and maybe JT took the sword to avoid bigger penalties...maybe there's some info that makes them look a bit better. who really knows at this point. so, id let this play out a bit before you fire up the torches.

>They're a dirty yet sanctimonious program like almost every
>other one on the planet. And if they had any integrity at all,
>they'd fire him, like most other colleges have done in equally
>serious situations.

curiosity question. were you pulling for cam to win the heisman and to beat oregon?

second curiosity question. and theres no snark to this. could you discuss the specifics of these other situations involved in said precedent? like i said, as with any organization, firings are handled on an individual basis. because X school did such and such isnt gonna fly with Y school. and there isn't a standard NCAA rule that says you must fire a coach if he does X.

it seems like what the coach was lying about/covering up would influence these decisions heavily. ie. if tressel covered up that 5 players were involved in a sexual assault case...id find that to be disgusting and an immediately fireable offense.

covering up some shit (wrong no matter what) that didnt really bother me in the first place from a moral standpoint (free tats)...sorry, im not gonna flip my wig about it. its wrong and punishable but im keeping it in perspective, especially when you consider the entire body of work which is undeniably impressive. if you think tressel hasnt done an enormous amount of good work for the university and for the community then youre fooling yourself and not looking at this objectively. body of work is important at any organization and the good far outweighs the bad here.


> An elite
>college program who's completely subservient to the man who's
>brought them W's, so they'll ignore transgressions in order to
>keep winning by playing loose with semantic games and
>pretzel-like legal justifications.

welcome to college football and professional sports. these guys (players included) rule the roost. we all know this.

He should be fired.

It's pretty straightforward.

>He should be fired.
>
>It's pretty straightforward.


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it was exposed, & still refusing to own it even a little bit now that we actually have documented evidence on the record.

Yes, that's pretty much a fireable offense but won't be.

We're talking about what an organization or institution does when one of its premier employees knowingly lies and impedes a serious investigation.

Only OSU fans think he shouldn't be fired.

Get some perspective.

>We're talking about what an organization or institution does
>when one of its premier employees knowingly lies and impedes a
>serious investigation.

and this could be impacting the decision?

its naive of either of us to claim that know 100% of what went on here.

the idea that this stayed between tressel, the players and the lawyer seems unlikely.

is even more unlikely.

LOL @ his press conference, if there's anything worse than a scumbag it's a sanctimonious under-cover scumbag.

This bitch has less character & credibility than Carrol or Calipari by far at this point.

your program will still be in the shiiter

>This bitch has less character & credibility than Carrol or
>Calipari by far at this point.

The JOKE(vest) writes itself.

you can hold hands with the okp michigan crew and root really really hard against OSU in their bowl game.

that'll teach tress and the OSU fanbase a thing or two!!

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you and brown sugar are a match made in heaven

psssssss.......EXPOSED!

Enjoy your weekend.

>This bitch has less character & credibility than Carrol or
>Calipari by far at this point.


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>>This bitch has less character & credibility than Carrol or
>>Calipari by far at this point.
>

>>
>>>This bitch has less character & credibility than Carrol or
>>>Calipari by far at this point.
>>
>


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I was rooting for Oregon because I have a few friends who went there.

And lying to an investigation is a fireable offense, especially in something like collegiate sports.

I have no dog in this fight. I don't really follow college football. I certainly don't have a favorite team (or hated team). (Go Violets!)

But the idea that Tressel shouldn't lose his job over lying to investigators about college athletes getting very illegal perks is a joke.

Any other questions?

>
>And lying to an investigation is a fireable offense,

it can be. it doesnt have to be.

like i said, if tressel had covered up a violent crime...i think he'd be gone and i want him to be gone.

>Any other questions?

i wouldve been interested to hear the circumstances in the other cases but im good. u aint gotta research that. i just think thats important to know before you start discussing precedents and how it pertains to the situation in question.

fans ignore that all but 1 coach has been fired for this offense. There is NO institutional control @ OSU when the president makes statements like "No, are you kidding?” he said with a laugh. “Let me be very clear. I’m just hoping the coach doesn’t dismiss me.”

The "punishment" and press conference actually did MORE to hurt OSU than help by anyone who is objectively looking at the inner workings of the school & how the leadership handles serious infractions. Having said that:

OSU fans are the only ones who don't think this is a big deal.
OSU fans are the only ones who ignore the precedent set when coaches have violated this rule in the past.

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>fans ignore that all but 1 coach has been fired for this
>offense.

what does this have to do with what should be taking place in this situatio

>There is NO institutional control @ OSU when the
>president makes statements like "No, are you kidding?” he said
>with a laugh. “Let me be very clear. I’m just hoping the coach
>doesn’t dismiss me.”

LOL. he's a clown but we knew that already. and he needs to stop with the comedy act every time someone shoves a microphone in his face. with that said, im not sure what a dumb quote 'proves', however other than more fodder for the court of public opinion (which matters not). dumb quotes or not you'd still be making the same insinuations.


>OSU fans are the only ones who don't think this is a big deal.

show me where anyone has said that it wasnt.

>
>OSU fans are the only ones who ignore the precedent set when
>coaches have violated this rule in the past.

so really, you are demanding that he needs to be fired...

and who's ignoring anything? are osu fans supposed to fire him ourselves? in the same way we've had the power to override tressel and hire an offensive coordinator, lol...

would it make you happy to see him fired? were you on here after the usc loss suggesting that he be fired? probably. gee, wonder why that is? and be sure to follow up with a 'u mad' response to further show how not delusional your ass really is when its clear the only people catching emotions here are fuckers like you that are out for blood.

you have a couple of OSU fans on here...all of which have conceded that what he did was wrong and should be punished. yet youre still acting like a hoe about it, making claims of delusions or whatever. perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the word cause you really dont seem to get it.

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lol. sad sad sad.

you acting real troll and brown fructose like.


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are my balls as salty as i think they are? i haven't showered yet today.

so his team could maybe win a ballgame once again in his lifetime

funny part is yall would still lose

breath..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3VFnbojEyE

http://1620thezone.com/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=5204505
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

The ncaa investigation will probably get messier than osu fans care to admit

The ncaa has gotten a lot of bad press lately for the sugar bowl, the SI report, and the "I didn't know my dad was willfully breaking ncaa rules" defense.

They might try to set an example here

?

im not even sure what the hell 'probation' entails anyway

im guessing its not a huge deal

i can think of a handful of examples with this violation and in every one of them the coach lost their job but he will coach again even IF that happens.

it's always a joy listening to AN ohio state university's faithful though, carry on.

"Many of these infractions are things that wouldn't have registered in the past. "Jim Tressel's situation, that's jaywalking to me," said former Oklahoma coach Barry Switzer. "These things don't surprise me. This stuff has gone on forever."

and

"Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen says much of the pressure comes from the increasing number of "big-money media sources" competing for stories. "Everyone's trying to get the scoop and it gets a little sensational," he said.

Michigan-Ohio State is, of course, a rivalry, but it isn't an underhanded one that includes negative recruiting, at least not according to Rich Rodriguez. Rodriguez said that while he and his staff at Michigan dealt with negative recruiting, it was never at the hands of Tressel and the staff at Ohio State. "In my experience in three years of recruiting against them we didn't sense that, hey, Ohio State is one of these schools that are on the edge," Rodriguez said. "There were others we thought were doing that." ... "I think some of them are getting looked at right now. So that will come out here pretty soon." Rodriguez quickly added another emphatic defense of Ohio State and its recruiting habits, at least as it related to the Michigan-OSU rivalry.

Read more: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/272110-rich-rod-sticks-up-for-osu?eref=fromSI#ixzz1GKFZLq3W








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Or Michael Irvin being a character witness for you (Nate Newton, son!!!).

cmon, NFC East hate is always in play..
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not the cowboys.

Lol

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_l_A6-7td0

More precedent...

NCAA rules Arkansas State must forfeit wins
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-arkansasst-ncaa
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EACH CASE IS DECIDED ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS!


lol delusional osu fans lol.

OSU working full time on breaking rules and still stumbling/bumbling their way through mediocre seasons and getting sodomized by real teams in big games.

Tress Dog trying to hang with the big boys...bless his heart...but his true nerd dad colors shine too brightly.

this whole thing is such a sloppy-drunk-frat-girl-style train wreck...hilarity!

yep, he just stole on it...
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>OSU working full time on breaking rules and still
>stumbling/bumbling their way through mediocre seasons and
>getting sodomized by real teams in big games.
>
>Tress Dog trying to hang with the big boys...bless his
>heart...but his true nerd dad colors shine too brightly.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/12/relentless-buckeye-fans-force-herbstreit-to-move-from-ohio/

Like many, many kids born and raised in the state, Kirk Herbstreit grew up as a fan of the Ohio State Buckeyes, particularly the football program. Like his father Jim, he played football at the school, becoming the starting quarterback and co-captain in the late eighties and early nineties.

After his eligibility expired, Herbstreit remained in Columbus as a radio personality, and ultimately became arguably the face of college football on ESPN. Unfortunately, he also became the subject of vitriol spewed by his own people — Buckeye fans — for having the utter gall and audacity to attempt to be fair and balanced when analyzing/reporting on his alma mater.

And, thanks to that small but deafening portion of the OSU fan base, Herbstreit has been forced to uproot himself and his family from his — and their — lifelong home.

Herbstreit has confirmed to Bob Hunter of the Columbus Dispatch that he, his wife and his four sons moved from their Ohio home Thursday to a new one in Tennessee. And, as you’ve probably already ascertained, it was a decision he says he was forced to make, not one he wanted to.

“Nobody loves Ohio State more than me,” Herbstreit, who’ll continue doing his Columbus radio show in the fall, told the paper. “I still have a picture of Woody Hayes and my dad (Jim, a former OSU player) in my office, and nobody will do more than I do for the university behind the scenes. But I’ve got a job to do, and I’m going to continue to be fair and objective. To continue to have to defend myself and my family in regards to my love and devotion to Ohio State is unfair. …

“Eighty to ninety percent of the Ohio State fans are great. It’s the vocal minority that make it rough. They probably represent only 5 to 10 percent of the fan base, but they are relentless.”

Personally, I’d put the numbers at 70-30 in favor of “great”, but won’t quibble over some percentage points.

Regardless of the actual numbers, it’s a damn shame and utter travesty — shavesty? — that Herbstreit was forced to move out of a state in which he’s lived for four decades or so because of a handful of shameless, braying jackasses.

Was he “unfairly critical” at times of his Buckeyes? Probably. He’s a fallible human being, though, not some 2,000-year-old carpenter from Galilee. Did it appear at times he swung his opinion in the extreme opposite direction in order to “prove” to the nation that he was not biased in favor of his alma mater? Sure seemed that way on occasion.

Did he deserve the type of persecution he says he received from Buckeye Nation? If you need an answer to that question, you’re likely part of the dolt minority.

Especially when you consider that there’s photographic proof that, if anything, he should be criticized for wearing his inner Scarlet & Gray too much on his sleeve. In public:

Yeah, look at how much he despises the program for which he played. The disdain is clearly written all over his face for all to see.

Honestly, some people really, really need to get a life. Especially when their need to live vicariously through some laundry and colors alters the lives of four kids simply because their dad was trying to do his job.

Herbie is a faggot anyway.

ol wanna be Bob Woodward ass mfer...

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sad if true, but excuse me if i dont cue the violins for this guy.

this wasnt an overnight thing. herbie was ENORMOUSLY popular for many years in c-bus. it took a really special brand of idiocy and a really concerted effort for him to earn the scorn of everyone in the city (and the football program).

the hate for herbie has been years in the making and he drew a major line in the sand when he voted OSU 5 spots lower than everybody else in america for the final season rankings. herbie knew what he was doing. dont cry about the outcome after the fact.

chances are he'd flat out rather live in nashville (hell, id rather live in nashville) and he's just bitching about this to earn sympathy points.

you're celebrating that his wife and kids have to change schools because you don't like something their dad said about your football team
let's think this over.


http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

just not really sympathetic to the outcome considering this is something he literally worked for.

and i think he's full of shit anyway as to the motivations behind the move. its not like dude fled beverly hills. he was living in a suburb of ohio and is now gonna take his 2 million per year salary and live like a king in nashville. i think him and his fam will be ok.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPn0KFlbqX8

u cling on to shit like that , cuz wtf else are u gonna do lol

>u cling on to shit like that , cuz wtf else are u gonna do
>lol


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>the hate for herbie has been years in the making and he drew a
>major line in the sand when he voted OSU 5 spots lower than
>everybody else in america for the final season rankings.


why the FUCK do you care about your final rankings? that shit is just bizarre, dude. y'all get hyped over the most meaningless piddly diddly bullshit.

"he drew a major line in the sand"

fuuuuuuuck that's sad. tha fuck is wrong with you?

I would hope they would to out the passive-aggressive bullshit that coaches and some writers do to prop up their own agendas

Gary Pinkel's voting immediately comes to mind

whether or not the final rankings are *truly* important (how important is college football in the grand scheme of things anyway?) is not of issue...he knows that it is important to a lot of people in the community and his listenership and he knows his actons will cause controversey...but he goes ahead and does it anyway. if you wanna poke the bear, please dont cry about the outcome after the fact.


>fuuuuuuuck that's sad. tha fuck is wrong with you?

funny. i wonder the same thing about you. youve replaced yoose2lurk as the most consistently angry poster. your avatar is really fitting.

i can just picture guru and 3x cutting out individual letters from the Detroit Free Press and pasting them together to make a deranged death threat to Herbstreit.

>i can just picture guru and 3x cutting out individual letters
>from the Detroit Free Press and pasting them together to make
>a deranged death threat to Herbstreit.

your ass has already been exposed about that

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you must live a very frustrated life

you really showed your old white man "colors" in there....




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justice in the name of free tats and herbie!!

i think herbie has predicted psu to win the big 10 for like 8 years running now...i can see why shelly is very upset about him having to purchase a new mansion elsewhere.

For someone who said No one cares about college sports on this board he's certainly acting a fool showing his insecurities up an down this thread

Pathetic as always

(on multiple occasions because you tend to lock in one bit of blather then repeat it ad naseum) is that no one cares about your life or OSU basketball in an NBA post.

None of that means StutterVest hasn't completely embarrassed himself this week or that I'm not gonna fuck with 3X & guru about it.

B. You care about my life because you keep trying to say I'm mad when I've in fact never been happier life.

C. You said "no one cares" about a thread you're trolling up and down.

.

Now, don't get me wrong. Tressel would still be in trouble because he knowing played ineligible players and lied about it to the NCAA but maybe Gene Smith knew about this?


What happens next at Ohio State?
By BRUCE HOOLEY
FOXSportOhio.com
March 11, 2011

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/03/11/11/What-happens-next-at-Ohio-State/landing_ohiostate.html?blockID=438181&feedID=3725

Ohio State coach Jim Tressel was seated next to athletic director Gene Smith at the Dec. 23 press conference announcing the suspension of five OSU players for selling memorabilia and merchandise in violation of NCAA rules.

Smith did most of the talking that day, with Tressel at his side when the OSU AD said:

“There are no other NCAA violations around this case. We’re very fortunate that we do not have a systemic problem in our program. This is isolated to these young men, isolated to this particular instance. There are no other violations that exist.”

Tressel undoubtedly heard Smith’s statement, but did not pull his boss aside that day, in the next week during OSU’s trip to the Sugar Bowl or throughout the first two weeks of January to tell him otherwise.

On Jan. 13, while searching Tressel’s email, Ohio State found the communications which confirmed the coach’s knowledge since April of his players’ NCAA rules violations.

As the NCAA now pores over Ohio State’s self-report that damages Tressel’s credibility and the school’s image, the collegiate athletics’ governing body can find other evidence of Tressel’s words and actions failing to match his reputation for honesty and integrity.

At the Dec. 23 press conference announcing his players’ suspensions, Tressel was asked about his most significant regret.

“I think the biggest disappointment that I have, knowing that there are mitigating circumstances in all of our lives, we have to seek the right solutions,” Tressel said. “And the right solutions are to come to people who understand the rules, who know what our options are, who could maybe provide a direction we could go.”

Had Tressel heeded his own advice, he would have taken the email he received on April 2, which outlined his players’ activities in violation of NCAA rules with Columbus tattoo parlor owner Edward Rife, either to Smith or OSU’s rules compliance office.

Instead, OSU’s report to the NCAA says Tressel “did not inform institutional officials” about the “specific information” he received regarding the players’ rules violations in that email and others from Columbus attorney Chris Cicero.

Asked Dec. 23 about his efforts to educate players in avoiding NCAA penalties, Tressel said: “There’s a constant discussion of doing the right thing. If you’re not sure, don’t (do it). Then, let’s come ask.”

And on that same topic that same day, Tressel added this: “I think we all have a little sensor within us. ‘Boy, I’m not sure if I should be doing this.’ Sometimes, it gets overridden by what you think your necessity is.”

It’s speculative what Tressel believed his necessity was in concealing the details of his players’ wrongdoing for nine months, playing them an entire season during the interim, until OSU confronted him with his deception.

Tressel claims to have been motivated by a fear for his players’ safety, and by Cicero’s request for confidentiality.

If Tressel spoke to his players and prohibited them from associating with Rife out of fear for their safety, they did not heed the coach’s advice. Rife was selling both Nike Pro Combat shoes and gloves worn and autographed by the players from the Michigan game played in November.

As for Tressel’s confidentiality explanation, Cicero’s first email made no such request, and no confidentiality requirement ever actually existed between the coach and Cicero because they had no attorney-client relationship.

These are some aspects of Tressel’s behavior the NCAA will scrutinize in determining whether to rubber-stamp or amplify the two-game suspension and $250,000 fine OSU levied against its coach.

In this era of Auburn’s Cameron Newton and Ohio State’s Tattoo Five being permitted to play in the immediate aftermath of committing NCAA violations, predicting the NCAA’s next move is harder than forecasting Charlie Sheen’s next stream-of-consciousness rant.

Tressel’s failure to disclose his knowledge of the rule-breaking by Terrelle Pryor, DeVier Posey, Dan Herron, Mike Adams and Solomon Thomas makes the NCAA look even worse than it did when each of those players contributed significantly to OSU’s win over Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl.

OSU’s report to the NCAA says:

• Tressel signed an NCAA form in September stating he knew of no possible violations in his program.

• He did not tell OSU of his prior knowledge in December when the Department of Justice informed the school that the players were involved with Rife in activities that violated NCAA rules.

• Later that month, after the players were interviewed by investigators, Tressel gave vague and misleading answers about the detailed information he received in a series of emails regarding the relationship between Rife and the five players.

It is a measure of Tressel’s popularity in Ohio and beyond that loyalists have birthed scenarios over the past two days to excuse the findings in OSU’s report to the NCAA.

A brief exchange between a reporter and Tressel at the Tuesday press conference where OSU announced Tressel’s wrongdoing has given rise to one widespread, albeit implausible, explanation.

Tressel nodded affirmatively when asked if he had forwarded the emails from Cicero to anyone else at Ohio State. Smith quickly intervened before Tressel could say more and said the coach would not be permitted to answer because the matter involves an ongoing NCAA investigation.

From that, conspiracy theorists reckon that Tressel is covering for someone else at Ohio State, nobly falling on his sword to protect a person more notable and important to OSU’s image.

There is no second shooter on the grassy knoll in this case, however, because there simply is no one more powerful, more high-profile or whose reputation is more precious to Ohio State than Tressel himself.

Of the $7 million in combined annual salary standing at the podium Tuesday when Tressel’s rule-breaking was detailed, his $4 million salary dwarfs both university president Gordon Gee ($2 million) and Smith ($1 million).

Tressel is the guy others would be made to take the fall for, not the other way around.

That much was evident at the Dec. 23 press conference, when OSU’s compliance office was thrown under the bus and backed over several times by Smith. He explained the players’ selling of memorabilia to Rife as a failure of the compliance office to inform them they could not sell championship rings and other items for profit.

If that were the case, how did 80 scholarship players get the message such behavior was prohibited and only five did not?

OSU would gladly sacrifice any of its compliance personnel, Smith or even Gee to preserve Tressel’s previously pristine image. By doing so, the school would protect its sweater-vested, fundraising juggernaut and keep the football cash register ringing to finance a bloated 36-sport athletic department.

How else to explain Gee and Smith turning what was supposed to be a mea-culpa over Tressel’s wrongdoing into a testimonial about his moral character and service to the school and community?

Whether the NCAA will be dazzled by Tressel’s reputation or treat him as roughly as it has other violators in similar cases is unknown.

Smith said OSU examined past precedent to arrive at the two-game suspension and $250,000 fine.

The Columbus Dispatch reported Thursday that since 2006, 13 head coaches in all Division I sports have broken the same bylaw Tressel broke by attesting in September that he had no knowledge of violations in his program. According to the Dispatch, 12 of those coaches were forced to resign or were fired.

The NCAA has historically taken a hands-off approach when misbehavior in Ohio State’s football program arises. The Buckeyes did not vacate their 2002 national championship won with Maurice Clarett in violation in NCAA rules, nor did OSU forfeit victories from the 2004 season when eventual Heisman Trophy winner Troy Smith played in the aftermath of taking $500 from a booster.

The only hammer the NCAA holds over rogue coaches is the threat of stiff punishment should they mislead investigators or mock rules compliance efforts by falsifying documents.

Tressel did both, which has given Ohio State a much bigger headache than how to handle the first five games of 2011 without Pryor and his four teammates.

Of that challenge, after winning the Sugar Bowl, Tressel said:

“I’m looking forward….We have a plan. If we stick to our plan, we’ll be fine. That’s what we plan to do.”

Now, the plans have changed.



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this whole story defies logic but tressel taking the fall for a much bigger infraction seems to be the only somewhat rational explanation for all of this.

lol that's the defense you guys have opted to take?

jesus.

no really, that's all i got.

jesus.

>lol that's the defense you guys have opted to take?
>
>jesus.
>
>no really, that's all i got.
>
>jesus.

are you being intentionally stupid or are you really this fucking retarded?

im not on trial here. try to get that through your DELUSIONAL ass.

>are you being intentionally stupid or are you really this
>fucking retarded?
>
>im not on trial here. try to get that through your DELUSIONAL
>ass.
>

First of all, i'm not saying you are on trial. I'm saying you are an idiot. But that's besides the point.

I implied you were using the "taking the hit for something bigger" as a quasi-excuse/defense to justify Tressel's actions.

So settle it for me, because I might be wrong. Are you bringing this up (now for the second time in the thread) to:

(1) Furnish a possible excuse for Tressel's actions because he "fell on the sword" for bigger improprieties

(2) Outline a possible scenario where OSU is even dirtier more of a cheater

Because with that fact hypothetical it's one or the other. So tell me which one, please. Because if it's (a), then I was correct above before you called me a "retard" and that would be pretty embarrassing for you. And if it's (b) then I'm all good because you are apprehending what a dirty program OSU could be.

*Awaiting your reply*

>
>First of all, i'm not saying you are on trial.

first of all, you really are. so calm the fuck down, sparky.

i proposed a rational possibility of what occurred.

read into that however you'd like.

I feel sorry for the rest of the UM contingent on this board bc of you.

in my estimation it looks something like this:

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=303310194

repeat that 9x over

but yeah, im a tad delusional so...

"A brief exchange between a reporter and Tressel at the Tuesday press conference where OSU announced Tressel’s wrongdoing has given rise to one widespread, albeit implausible, explanation.

Tressel nodded affirmatively when asked if he had forwarded the emails from Cicero to anyone else at Ohio State. Smith quickly intervened before Tressel could say more and said the coach would not be permitted to answer because the matter involves an ongoing NCAA investigation."


Wow.. the fuck is Gene doing? Why wouldn't he let him answer? Hooley dismissed it because he thinks Tressel is more of a sacred cow than Smith and in one way he is. However, Hooley is overlooking how the scenario can play out if Tressel alone is at fault versus both Tressel & Smith which is nuclear holocaust type shit. If Tres takes the fall, Smith hits him w/a punishment (wink-wink) but all of them keep their jobs & limit the damage to the university.


I mean, Tressel is still on the hook for playing ineligible players & lying to the NCAA but it's definitely not implausible that Smith knew about this & was devising a cover up.



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i think reading into the press conference behavior is a bit of a reach. i didnt happen to watch it. but people were discussing that exchange on the OSU boards. i think its much ado about nothing but whatever.


>I mean, Tressel is still on the hook for playing ineligible
>players & lying to the NCAA but it's definitely not
>implausible that Smith knew about this & was devising a cover
>up.

like i said maybe 100-200 replies up...i think the idea that this stayed between tressel, the players and the lawyer is highly unlikely.

i dont think any of us really have half a clue about what went on and i dont think we ever will. all i know is im ready for kickoff...or at least ready for the next big program to have their ass exposed.

Gene let him answer that question? That's suspect as hell. I also didn't think it was probable that Tressel knew this in April & no one else in the department found out about it.

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>Gene let him answer that question?

i dunno. like i said i didnt watch it. from all accounts the PC was a clusterfuck so i would just concede it as that. osu will take a massive PR hit but we'll be alright on the field in the long run and thats all that really matters.

>Gene knew man... he covering his ass...

gene also sat on the ncaa infractions committee and im sure knows what kind of punishment osu would likely get. and im sure they worked that out with the ncaa all along.

>I
>also didn't think it was probable that Tressel knew this in
>April & no one else in the department found out about it.

its highly unlikely that emails go directly to tressel. im sure he has a gatekeeper. and this lawyer was not a friend of the program as some may be thinking. so even more reason he wouldnt be the first to read it.

you send an email to his public account, you may as well be sending that shit to the world.

for his over the top coverage of this incident

you can anoint him and herbie into okp martyrdom.

nm

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1711379&mesg_id=1711379&page=#1711651

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Don't actually close the post until you and 3x stop bringing the funny.

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its over

http://www.covershut.com/covers/Tammy-Wynette-Stand-By-Your-Man-Front-Cover-49988.jpg

sorry

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/03/lsu-ncaa-investigation-will-lyles-recruiting-service/1

Oregon isn't the only football program coming under scrutiny for using the scouting service run by Will Lyles.

LSU is now under the NCAA microscope. The school confirmed to Foxsports.com that the school paid $6,000 in December to Complete Scouting Services. Earlier this month, Oregon had confirmed paying $25,000 to the Houston-based company connected to Lyles.

Lyles has drawn attention from the NCAA for his relationship with high school athletes. He served as a mentor to running back Lache Seastrunk, who redshirted this past season in Oregon after signing in 2010. LSU also recruited Seastrunk, the No. 3 tailback in the nation in 2010 and a cousin of LSU freshman tailback Michael Ford.

Citing a person close to the situation, Foxsports.com reported two NCAA investigators interviewed Trevon Randle, who signed with LSU last month, about his contact with Lyles.

The story said LSU assistant coach Brick Haley accompanied Lyles to Clear Springs High in the spring of 2010 to talk to Clear Springs coach Clint Hartman about Randle and that NCAA investigators have also interviewed Hartman and Randle's father Raymond Edwards.

Randle said he consulted with his parents before choosing LSU and that his father is "pretty tight" with Lyles. Randle said he later spent time with Lyles at LSU summer camps.

"Now, that's a funny guy right there," Randle said of Lyles. "That guy right there, he can eat. He knows about every restaurant in Baton Rouge, and he introduced me to all of them. If it wasn't for him, I wouldn't know anything about the food places down there.

LSU would be guilty of breaking NCAA recruiting rules if Lyles helped steer Randle to LSU.

"No, I cannot say anything about that," Haley said in a phone interview with Gannett Louisiana on Tuesday when asked how well he knew Lyles. "Michael Bonnette is handling that. We've been told not to say anything about it."

Michael Bonnette, LSU's football sports information director, said Tigers coach Les Miles and assistant coaches know Lyles but he doesn't know how well.

"I don't know how to characterize their relationship," Bonnette said Tuesday. "I know LSU paid Complete Scouting Services and received film of players and other information or data. That's commonly what the LSU coaches get from the recruiting services - film, statistics."

Bonnette said LSU no longer uses Lyles' scouting service but did not explain why.

Contributing: Glenn Guilbeau, Gannett Louisiana

Follow Erick on Twitter at @erick_smith
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tha fuck is going on in Columbus? y'all are crazy as hell

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>tha fuck is going on in Columbus? y'all are crazy as hell

and around the stadium during and after the NC in 2007?

no, dont think you wanna talk about that. because crazy wouldnt be the word to describe it. it was by far the worst fan behavior ive ever witnessed at any sporting event in my entire life.

if youre a UF fan or PSU fan, you should really forever STFU about fan behavior.

>>tha fuck is going on in Columbus? y'all are crazy as hell
>
>and around the stadium during and after the NC in 2007?
>
>no, dont think you wanna talk about that. because crazy
>wouldnt be the word to describe it. it was by far the worst
>fan behavior ive ever witnessed at any sporting event in my
>entire life.
>
>if youre a UF fan or PSU fan, you should really forever STFU
>about fan behavior.

SC and Oregon fans were cool tho..at least in my experience...

edit, and Texas fans were great...I hope we get another home and home with them in my lifetime
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is what this whole bullshit sanctimonious post has become

the only thing that pisses me off is the whole wholesome sweatervest Christian bullshit schtick that people elevated to a higher standard over others

other than that, shit everyone does dirt, that counts in the world of "Amateur" lulz athletics

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>
>the only thing that pisses me off is the whole wholesome
>sweatervest Christian bullshit schtick that people elevated to
>a higher standard over others

unless, of course, he's part of some highly top secret investigation for which he couldn't reveal himself earlier on.

(lolz)

>unless, of course, he's part of some highly top secret
>investigation for which he couldn't reveal himself earlier
>on.
>
>(lolz)

if you're inclined you can look up the graduation rates, and the number academic all americans that he's produced compared to his predecessor...

he lied to the NCAA, he'll get punished. and if he does it again, he'll get the axe.

not sure how much simpler it can get...he didnt pay 200k for a recruit nor is there any academic fraud going on...

and lol @ people harping on the 375 minor/secondary infractions reported...the NCAA looked into it...nothing ever came of them...so whats the problem?
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you LIE in a serious investigation (not only was he involved, but he LIED about it) you get fired, period.

But it's college football and Tressel wins games so they'll rationalize not firing him, just like you are.

>you LIE in a serious investigation (not only was he involved

how was he involved? did he go to the tattoo shop with the kids. did he set him up with the shop owner?

,
>but he LIED about it) you get fired, period.

and what makes you such an expert on protocol in this situation? because you read a quick blurb about what happened at a bunch of other institutions? you have such strong opinions on this yet you can't even name the details of the cases that you're comparing it to.

>But it's college football and Tressel wins games

and this is why you're out to lunch.

>so they'll
>rationalize not firing him, just like you are.

why does it bother you so much that OSU fans dont want to see him fired. i mean, you claim to not even be a cfb fan yet we're in this shit a week later and you're still heated about this. that's weird.

got any thoughts on the security of brian kelly's position at ND? you know, the coach that sent a student assistant up onto a tower to film practice during a hurricane and then fell to his death? no, let's keep wanking off about free tats...

Then is it ok?

But nah, Kelly should've been fired. Another hypocrisy accusation from you fails.

By any reasonable standard, a college coach knowingly lies in an investigation, he should be fired.

Not only am I not mad that OSU fans can't grasp this, I honestly enjoy it at this point. It makes this debacle more entertaining.

>Then is it ok?

what? when did i say that would be ok? thats you being a total prick and answering your own questions for me. it's clear that you're gonna paint this picture in the manner of your own choosing.

if tressel's transgressions involved the death of a student or player or the cover-up of a violent crime, this conversation would be much different and the OSU fanbase would be holding much different expectations in regards to tressel's future employment. but youre apparently far too dense to grasp this very simple reality.


>
>But nah, Kelly should've been fired. Another hypocrisy
>accusation from you fails.
>
>By any reasonable standard, a college coach knowingly lies in
>an investigation, he should be fired.

aka youre as full of shit now as you have been on this entire issue from the beginning. you have zero expertise or perspective, and you cant even bother yourself to take a look at the details of the cases which you've been yapping about for over a week now.

>
>Not only am I not mad

right

>aka youre as full of shit now as you have been on this entire
>issue from the beginning. you have zero expertise or
>perspective, and you cant even bother yourself to take a look
>at the details of the cases which you've been yapping about
>for over a week now.

If you want to prove that Tressel is somehow *unique and unlike* the 11 of 12 coaches (90%!!) who were fired for ethical violations or lying to the NCAA (which Tressel basically did), go for it. Dez Bryant would love to hear why Tressel is special.

Otherwise I'll sit here on the side of common sense and reasonable standards.

Let me know when there's anyone other than OSU alum on your side.

>If you want to prove that Tressel

this is your argument to prove, not mine.

you wanna hold this up as your trump card, id think you'd at least have some details about it...hell, what happened in the one instance case where the coach wasn't fired? did you piss and moan incessantly about that too?

you're saying he HAS to be fired and that there was a 'precedent' set...except there also seems to be a precedent to end up on the other side as well.

>Dez Bryant would love to hear why
>Tressel is special.

the ncaa hands out punishment in a capricious fashion?!?!? coaches get more leniency than players?!?! wow dude, youre really bringing some earth shattering info to the forefront.

we all know that the ncaa is corrupt and inept and completely confusing. we can sit here and discuss inconsistent penalties handed out by the NCAA for the next year.


>Otherwise I'll sit here on the side of common sense and reasonable >standards.

you'll err ont the side of sitting behind a keyboard and claiming to know how to run a major DI athletic department. great.

>Let me know when there's anyone other than OSU alum on your
>side.

outside of okp world i dont know anyone still talking about this shit, and to a much, much lesser extent still discussing tressel's coaching status, lol. again, if your squad isnt playing against tressel, i dont see why you would care.

>It makes this debacle more
>entertaining.

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their hands were clean, despite all the Clarrett shit, the 'Thad 5', the numerous other minor incidents adding to that 378 number, etc.

OSU fans touted their 'clean' program as if it was a reality & Tressell tried to snow everyone with his bible-thumping bullshit only to be exposed as a far bigger hypocrite than guys like John Calipari.

That is why this is hilarious & while I can't speak for anyone else's motivations is why I'm in this post pointing and laughing.

do tell..this should be good.


the
>'Thad 5',



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while being represented by Conley's pop immediately after bouncing.

I'm sure Lance Armstrong is clean too because he's never failed a drug test.

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it's extremely unlikely Ohio State (who'd been largely irrelevant in basketball for a decade) got that class without some degree of cheating.

Whoopty-damn-do(c)Derrick Coleman.

I'm not the one touting the virtues of a 'clean' program like y'all did with Tressell before this mess.

I like to live in reality.

>
>I'm not the one touting the virtues of a 'clean' program like
>y'all did with Tressell before this mess.
>
>I like to live in reality.

certain programs take it to extraordinary levels.

im sure this isnt the first cover up at OSU and im sure it wont be the last. coaches doing whatever they can to keep their star players eligible? unheard of...really.

bringing that matta's class from 6 years ago into this is laughable. if the goal is prolonging the replies to this thread into the 1000's, then i suppose that's a good strategy.

and given how far up OSU's ass the NCAA has been over the past decade, media included...if there's more dirt to found than it wouldve been found and it will be found now. kinda like what happened with SC. once they started digging the roof fell off...

Conley Sr didnt receive his certification to be an agent until well after they both declared their intentions to go pro...

until then he was just Mike Conley Sr who's son happened to be best friends and on the same team with the #1 overall recruit in the country...

Indiana was on probation, and Matta having been at Butler and Xavier has many ties to the Hoosier state...its not really that far fetched...but you can cook up whatever silly little theories you like...its your prerogative (c) Bobby B

>it's extremely unlikely Ohio State (who'd been largely
>irrelevant in basketball for a decade) got that class without
>some degree of cheating.

Cook and Lighty are Dayton and Cleveland natives....(OMGGG!!!! kids from Ohio want to play for Ohio State! there has to be something fishy there!)

and Othello Hunter was a JUCO transfer who was hardly touted as anything but a role player.
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I'm just saying I'm on Ms Melodie status with Matta as well, that being exposed down the line won't surprise me in the slighest.

But I realize that's unfair to your 'clean' program, so we can leave it here.

biggest joke in the history of okaysports and it starts with that Bomb-Ass screen-name

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUNSxRJfwyM

Self-imposed 5 game suspension to support his players.

Start crying and stay mad!!!!

This goes to show what a class act he is.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2011/03/17/0317-ncaa-hands-down-decision-on-ohio-state.html?sid=101

*shrug*

it represents a great deal of integrity.

Some people care more about judging others than their own personal success

>it represents a great deal of integrity.

...then one would think you'd be a lot more upset about the unethical behavior of others bringing that integrity into question.

>Some people care more about judging others than their own
>personal success

Um, I have a college diploma too.

I'm still proud to be a Buckeye at the end of the day. Sorry you're frustrations don't personally effect me.

>Sorry
>you're frustrations don't personally effect me.

"your" and "affect"

Or does OSU no longer require freshman comp?








Eh. Cheap shot.

I've already logged in 50+ hours this week in front of a computer screen at work.

No clue why I'm unwinding on okp tonight but I'm hardly seeing straight

I'd expect better from a UVA grad.


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>I'd expect better from a UVA grad.

and tressel and company's first game back at the 'shoe is against wisconsin...holy shit that's gonna be a scene.

He voluntarily gave up Colorado, @ The U, and Michigan St

so wisconsin will be the first home game for tressel and the suspended players

as if playing wisky wasn't enough motivation...crowd is gonna be ape shit.

hopefully ill be there having fun...i expect a lot of okp people sitting at home being very, very mad. and posting lots about it.

you know every hotel in the city will be booked.

I may head to Miami this year too just because

it'll be bigger than texas '05 and usc '09. and those were some sick ass games (despite the outcome).

man im pumped for this season.

I'd rather have a 3:30 game

but you cant beat the night environment

as live as michigan '06 was i still dont think it was seeing the sc or texas games

by kick off I might as well not go in the game because I'm not in the right frame of mind

if herbie is on campus for espn gameday

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW SHIT

otherwise you will be lucky if you find a room in Omaha 45 minutes away

There are only 3 hotels in the city I stay at and they always book fast

Real class would have been taking 5 games from the outset. Instead he tried to weasel his way into the public's heart via a press conference featuring so much spin even the podium got dizzy.

It was only after the press conference was deemed by the national media as a PR disaster -- no shitstorm -- and he took MASSIVE heat for his deception and clear lies that he took the extended 5 game suspension.

Don't delude yourself into thinking he did this out of class and team unity. If you actually think so, your baseline intelligence as a member of the human race is immediately called into question. This is merely Act 2 of Tressel/OSU's attempt to stem the bleeding and a last-ditch effort to con the NCAA into sympathy before the hammer comes crashing down.

in the sense that I want Michigan to get a crack at beating *him* a few times.

But objectively speaking, to say that this isn't a cheap ploy is to distort the plain facts before you. He lied, got caught, and is trying to use tactical manipulation to minimize the damage. Hell, I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing.

But it's pretty transparent. Don't kid yourself. There is an endemic, institutional lack of integrity at OSU athletics right now. But in the end, it's a sad problem that canvasses most of the NCAA probably.

It is what it is. Don't spin it. Don't say I'm mad. Just leave this post with whatever credibility you have remaining as a semi-functioning person.

>last-ditch effort to con
>the NCAA into sympathy before the hammer comes crashing down.

Ohio State realized their press conference full of awkward joking, stumbling replies and Dubya quotes was not a good look. this is a preemptive strike against themselves in the hopes that the NCAA doesn't go further.

.

posts #423 and #424 should tell you just about everything that you need

The penalties won't be as harsh as you're praying for every night.

And you will graduate without ever seeing a win over us.

Cry.
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2) I do, however, *think* he will -- and probably *should*-- lose his job
3) Your program still oozes of deceit, corruption, and scandal. Ask anyone other than your insular group of semi-retarded bucknuts. Cry.

Much worse than young players getting tattoos on their own free time

Keep Crying

cmon

who knows what dick rod couldve been using all that extra practice time for?

based on gameday results it certainly wasn't football related, but still...we're making big assumptions here.

and it was off season conditioning conducted by QC staffers, something RR had nothing to do with

which is why the NCAA cleared him of failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance.

something that is unlikely to happen with Tressel given his participation in a cover-up

>and it was off season conditioning conducted by QC staffers

which entails more than just stretching.

if denard got in 5 extra sets of squats that's some bullshit and it had a direct impact on the outcome of the game (unlike free tats). fortunately for the majority of the big 10, denard's genetically waifish frame cannot be overcome by extra and illegal time spent in the weightroom. barwis and a lifetime supply of chocolate milk can't change the fact that denard is a pussy playing in the wrong conference.


>something RR had nothing to do with

he runs the program. he's responsible for everything. i wish he stayed.

>if denard got in 5 extra sets of squats that's some bullshit
>and it had a direct impact on the outcome of the game

you do know that players are allowed to lilft weights as much as they want right?

>(unlike
>free tats).

so a current player telling a recruit that they can make money selling their shit doesnt influence recruiting? like i said, improper benefits. the 5 brainiacs who got caught are lucky they still hae amateur status.

>fortunately for the majority of the big 10,
>denard's genetically waifish frame cannot be overcome by extra
>and illegal time spent in the weightroom. barwis and a
>lifetime supply of chocolate milk can't change the fact that
>denard is a pussy playing in the wrong conference.

and there it is, the point where your emotions have run amok and you lose your ability to talk about something in a relatively objective manner.

>he runs the program. he's responsible for everything.

which is why he was cited for failing to properly oversee. the head coach doesnt have time to make sure that every CARA form is signed and properly filed. however, he does need to make sure that everyone is doing their jobs. the QC/compliance people that specifically worked for football did not.

and after you get a taste of hoke-a-mania you'll be glad RR is gone. because michigan is looking at at least 3 fewer wins with hoke than they would have had with RR

>
>>if denard got in 5 extra sets of squats that's some bullshit
>>and it had a direct impact on the outcome of the game
>
>you do know that players are allowed to lilft weights as much
>as they want right?

not supervised by a strength coach.

#1 complaint of college strength coaches (except the ones at michigan, of course) is that they don't get enough time with the players.

>
>>(unlike
>>free tats).
>
>so a current player telling a recruit that they can make money
>selling their shit doesnt influence recruiting? like i said,
>improper benefits.

in a general sense, yeah it does, and i understand why this rule is in place despite it being rather silly in theory. but you cant apply this to just OSU (it's not as if players dont have the same opportunities elsewhere).

in the case of the tat 5, it didnt impact anything that took place on the field. whereas extra stretching, running, lifting or what have you obviously gives a team an on-field advantage.

>
>>fortunately for the majority of the big 10,
>>denard's genetically waifish frame cannot be overcome by
>extra
>>and illegal time spent in the weightroom. barwis and a
>>lifetime supply of chocolate milk can't change the fact that
>>denard is a pussy playing in the wrong conference.
>
>and there it is, the point where your emotions have run amok
>and you lose your ability to talk about something in a
>relatively objective manner.

i was really hoping you could detect the levity in the above response.

i didnt think the extra practice time stuff was a big deal back when it happened and i dont feel any differently now. i was just breaking balls over referring to it merely as 'stretching'.

in the same way im not bothered by the practice time infractions im also not all that bothered by the tattoo nonsense.


>and after you get a taste of hoke-a-mania you'll be glad RR is
>gone. because michigan is looking at at least 3 fewer wins
>with hoke than they would have had with RR

it will work out in the long run. he's at least already targeting recruits that can actually play at this level. he's catching a break because he's coming into a year where there's TONS of talent in ohio...and OSU has limited scholies to give out. michigan should land some decent players from ohio which hasnt happened in quite some time. dick rod wasnt even going after players that were worthy of OSU scholarships.

>Much worse than young players getting tattoos on their own
>free time
>
>Keep Crying

You are making a faulty, irrational comparison here. The violation has nothing to do with "young players getting tattoos on their own." Even operating under the assumption that the head coach of your football team did not engage in a systematic coverup of major NCAA violations, the players were not just "getting tattoos on their own free time" -- they were getting tattoos in exchange for official OSU sports memorabilia, which is a blatant violation of NCAA rules.

But even THAT isn't so bad. It has nothing to do with the tattoos. It has everything to do with a) lying about it, b) covering it up, and c) trying to weasel out of a fair punishment using deceitful tactics

Ouch.

Your school's corruption led to you getting a death penalty. None of us care about your self righteous bullshit.

Hope that snitch blows you hoes out by 50 points. Maybe if you sign Anthony Mason Jr and Rex Chapman Jr to help those other bums you'd have a halfway decent team.
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you must lead an equally sad life.

i seriously hope things get better for you.

>you must lead an equally sad life.
>
>i seriously hope things get better for you.


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What's the point in even arguing with someone who buys shit like that?

It's like reasoning with a third grader. I try every day, it's damn near impossible.

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radin's cool by me

I pay little attention to anything he says because it's all agenda based in an attempt to get a rise out of people.

Just a month ago in a different thread he tried to argue how people on okaysports dont care about college sports. Yet here he is trolling up and down this thread screaming for attention

as a knick fan, i had to take a little hiatus from the nba. if bombastic is really repping the heat that's some sad shit.

i dont mind his antics cause i know he's just stirring the pot and doesnt really give a shit about this.

compared to say, ummmm, brown sugar who has started about 1,329 OSU threads in his illustrious posting career and is obviously putting genuine effort and emotion into his posts. he's mad as hell.

if you're still butthurt over JT lying about some free tats 2 weeks after the fact then you have serious problems.

this shit is hilarious... tattoo scandal... drug bust... "confidentiality"... embarrassing press conference.... schmuck lawyer..... i couldn't DREAM of a more ridiculous tumble of my school's arch rival.

i'm not mad... i'm laughing harder at you and your school than I ever have.

even the non-osu fans see it

>as a knick fan, i had to take a little hiatus from the nba.
>if bombastic is really repping the heat that's some sad shit.
>
uh, yeah, that's not actually happening at all.

Yet he has more posts in this thread than I do. Notice all he ever has to say is you're mad and gets frustrated when I counter to prove why I am smiling from ear to ear.


That coupled with him in every Miami Heat post repping the team like they're his own. The clown is the premier troll of the sports forum

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It's hard to say who's more desperate for attention

.

Do you feel better about yourself now?

If so find something else to irrationally hate on

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There's nothing more challenging than getting a college football fan to say something bad about his program of choice.

Don't know if that means the sport is the most awesome or the most batshit. Or both.

No wonder the powers-that-be don't want a tournament. Money aside, it would actually cause mafia dons to put hits on college students and possibly the suicide bombing of an entire team's locker room. Best to do one game for each team and pray no one gets murdered by a John Hinckley Jr. lookalike donning the jersey of a famous alumni.

to say that rich rod should be fired *if* all the sensationalized reports were true and michigan was guilty of the multiple major violations described in the report.

...Michigan has struggled so consistently to compete with the upper echelon recently that it's hard for you guys to have the blind delusion and swagger of the fans of upper echelon programs like OSU/USC/all SEC teams. So it's harder to be so crazed when you're used to losing to that top tier.

I know that sounds really patronizing, but I honestly don't mean it that way, lol.

good man

2 losing seasons does not mean that the *program* is somehow a lesser entity

however, hiring a fat idiot with a sub-.500 record at mid majors might...

>however, hiring a fat idiot with a sub-.500 record at mid
>majors might...

at least he went from a mid major to another mid major though, he should be used to it.


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Rich Rod will coach somewhere else and be very good

>2 losing seasons does not mean that the *program* is somehow
>a lesser entity

and calling them 'losing' seasons would be an understatement...they've been epically, historically bad.

so unbelievably bad, that yes, michigan is now a 'lesser entity'...demonstrated by the fact that nobody of note wanted to coach there.

and i dont know who wanted to coach there, they were set on a "Michigan Man"

well they got him, and i think its gonna suck

your wins were over nothing opponents

what was mich's big 10 record this year?

or rather, what was mich's big 10 record under dick rod? 3 total wins or some shit? or 4?

that right there is why michigan is now known as a lesser entity. they couldnt even hang in the big 10...where the level of play isnt considered to be all that great to begin with.

and the last 'successful' season included a loss at home to app st.

again, your program is hot garbage and is considered as such by everyone, not just hatin OSU fans.

>There's nothing more challenging than getting a college
>football fan to say something bad about his program of
>choice.
>
>Don't know if that means the sport is the most awesome or the
>most batshit. Or both.

everyone's program is dirty except their own. thats generally how it is. and if they're an absolutely pathetic, LOSER program like michigan then you're gonna get a whole lot more of that. but college fans are absolutely bat shit. i feel bad for the sad sack, jealous east coasters in this thread that have never been a part of it.

anyway, id like to make this the official thread for the 2011 OSU season. i see a big year coming up.

>anyway, id like to make this the official thread for the 2011
>OSU season. i see a big year coming up.
>

2012 is looking *retarded* in high school talent within the state...

and of course a few top flight players from Pennsylvania who dont wanna play for a vegetable head coach
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>and of course a few top flight players from Pennsylvania who
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Michigan is going to have 4 or 5 5*'s its looking like and then a number of 4's

>>and if they're an absolutely pathetic, LOSER
>program like michigan then you're gonna get a whole lot more
>of that.

tears of anger were prob welling up when you had to revert to all caps.

pathetic, loser program huh? you guys have def had a good run, but can you remind me the all time series record? lmaoooooo

with the 5 making their introduction to the season?

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but thats just me...if not the entire season...at least 6 to 8..

I think we lose at Lincoln but finish well enough to smell roses...(including the annual michigan curb stomping)


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it's going to be the whole year

people are tossing out losing his recruiting privileges for a year and a one year postseason ban, but I don't see the former happening ever, and the latter, is a possibility, but not likely. I don't see any sort of "lack of institutional control" labels or anything.

I wouldn't commit yourself to a loss yet, the offense is being overhauled and a QB is still to be determined, plus there is no depth at RB and the WR group as a whole is below average.

On defense though, no such issues exist. Only real concern is finding a DE to replace Pierre Allen, loaded at LB and the secondary.

if you want to see the game from outside an end zone in Lincoln

Especially if both teams take care of business, I'd imagine the spectacle of Game Day is probably there, if they pass up the Red River Rivalry that day.

Florida v. LSU also rates but...prolly not likely

but since the Tat5 are suspended..that game is looking less appealing..esp since Ill be in FLA later this summer anyway...

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>people are tossing out losing his recruiting privileges for a
>year and a one year postseason ban

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it wasn't some random blog, but can I say it wasn't some sportswriter throwing shit against the wall until something sticks? no I can't

they are also tossing around the Gene Stallings case as well

like I said just random shit I have read, nothing to get worked up over

to reduce the players 5 game suspension was denied? cmon son....

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we're good at that too

>we cheat at that too

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http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_bianchi/2011/03/in-wake-of-bruce-pearl-firing-urban-meyer-will-replace-jim-tressel-at-ohio-state.html

Now that Tennessee has fired Bruce Pearl, isn’t it only a matter of time before Jim Tressel resigns at Ohio State and former Florida Gators coach Urban Meyer takes over?

I am convinced of it.

Obviously Meyer wants to decompress, take some time off from coaching and spend some quality time with his family. And he will get a chance to do just that this season while the vultures circle Tressel at Ohio State. With Tennessee firing basketball coach Bruce Pearl on Monday for similar transgressions to Tressel’s, it’s inevitable that Ohio State will eventually pull the plug on Tressel, too.

Let’s face it, Tressel has lost all credibility and could face massive sanctions once the NCAA is done investigating his role in covering up violations by his players. If the NCAA hammer falls and the Buckeyes struggle this year (and you know they will with quarterback Terrelle Pryor and Tressel suspended for the first five games), the pressure will mount and Tressel will ultimately resign.

That’s when a refreshed Meyer will be ready to return to coaching and take over a program he rooted for as a kid. It’s common knowledge Meyer idolized Woody Hayes and grew up a huge Ohio State fan in Ashtabula, Ohio. His intense, conservative, no-nonsense approach to the game is a perfect fit for the Big Ten powerhouse Hayes built.

I believe Urban will be coaching Ohio State when the 2012 season commences, What about you?

If you have time, please vote in the poll below.

We will be discussing this topic, the firing of Bruce Pearl, the Gators and Seminoles in the NCAA Tournament, the Magic’s victory over the Cleveland Cavaliers and have an interview with Florida State football coach Jimbo Fisher on our “Open Mike” daily morning radio show today from 6 to 9 a.m. on 740-AM.

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another out-of-state dummy that wants to play armchair AD

he's 'convinced' tressel is gonna be fired yet the entire state of ohio...players, players families, university and fans dont want him going anywhere. im sure gene smith will bend over for a bunch of vocal sports journalists.

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have at it.

Anyone who's remotely familiar with the Bruce Pearl saga can discern the differences.

bs, legacy and the other NCAA compliance experts in this thread can continue to pretend like they know what theyre talking about.

He isnt going anywhere, and you wont win against us for the remainder of this decade. Thats all it really boils down to.

I'll let you know what my feelings are once the NCAA hands out its verdict since you're so concerned.

But my mind is on Kentucky right now. Not Tressel-gate.


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>Anyone who's remotely familiar with the Bruce Pearl saga can
>discern the differences.

obviously. but they could also point out similarities. prior knowledge of violations. failure to report those violations, etc etc

>bs, legacy and the other NCAA compliance experts in this
>thread can continue to pretend like they know what theyre
>talking about.

no one is interpreting bylaws, they're just talking about precedents set in other cases. and in this day and age i think the collective of OKS probably has a pretty good handle on things like this.

>He isnt going anywhere, and you wont win against us for the
>remainder of this decade. Thats all it really boils down to.

cmon, save that for those who dont at least make an effort to speak objectively about both sides

>I'll let you know what my feelings are once the NCAA hands out
>its verdict since you're so concerned.

lol, im not concerned. give an opinion on it or dont, whatever. but constantly "reminding" ppl of how much better osu is than M on the field is pointless. we all watched the games and we all know the disparities between the two (which have widened since the dawn of Hokeamania imho), so hammering that fact looks real defensive.

>But my mind is on Kentucky right now. Not Tressel-gate.

lol, im sure the rest of the squad appreciates your single-minded focus

>>Anyone who's remotely familiar with the Bruce Pearl saga
>can
>>discern the differences.
>
>obviously. but they could also point out similarities. prior
>knowledge of violations. failure to report those violations,
>etc etc
>
>>bs, legacy and the other NCAA compliance experts in this
>>thread can continue to pretend like they know what theyre
>>talking about.

>no one is interpreting bylaws, they're just talking about
>precedents set in other cases. and in this day and age i
>think the collective of OKS probably has a pretty good handle
>on things like this.

you give them too much credit... alot of dumb mfers spouting alot of dumb shit in this thread...


>cmon, save that for those who dont at least make an effort to
>speak objectively about both sides

ok



>lol, im not concerned. give an opinion on it or dont,
>whatever. but constantly "reminding" ppl of how much better
>osu is than M on the field is pointless.

its fun though. especially to the retarded um fan in here acting as if a Big 10 offensive player of the year award is equivalent to a BCS bowl game win.


we all watched the
>games and we all know the disparities between the two (which
>have widened since the dawn of Hokeamania imho), so hammering
>that fact looks real defensive.


thats how you interpret it, thats fine. i just see it as talkin shit.


>lol, im sure the rest of the squad appreciates your
>single-minded focus


just sayin, the "ooh you worried/scared/mad now!" retort isnt really working.
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lol well yea

>what's going on in the NCAA landscape & how it plays into the
>OSU situation.

it doesnt play. thats what im saying.



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NCAA investigation. I mean what are the chances that a school with 375 violations since 2000 has a few bodies buried? This is especially true since we know what they've done in the current situation. The NCAA could put OSU in a real bind that forces their hand...
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>a school
>with 375 violations since 2000

these are self-reported violations and given that breathing funny could be a ncaa offense (have you ever seen the ncaa rulebook?)...youre talking about mostly petty stuff. if OSU had 375 significant violations since 2000 then the program wouldve been given the death blow 10 years ago.

it just means OSU compliance is on their shit...or at least trying to be.

>The NCAA could put OSU in a real bind that
>forces their hand...

so the ncaa is gonna tell OSU 'you must fire tressel'? doesnt really work like that man...but keep wishing.

if the NCAA was determining tressels fate then all you dummies hollering about 'precedents' might have something of a point. but OSU determines tressel's fate and everyone at OSU is a JT fan so...

and on the one hand you're saying that tressel should be fired based soley on the pearl situation...but then youre saying that he should be fired based on all the other stuff that you're hoping/praying/wishing will come out. so you're kinda all over the map here.

long story short...tressel will be beating your ass in ann arbor come november as usual.

>>a school
>>with 375 violations since 2000
>
>these are self-reported violations and given that breathing
>funny could be a ncaa offense (have you ever seen the ncaa
>rulebook?)...youre talking about mostly petty stuff. if OSU
>had 375 significant violations since 2000 then the program
>wouldve been given the death blow 10 years ago.


AND TOSU sponsors 38 different D1 athletic programs. The most for any school in the country. if you have more sports, youre gonna have more secondary violations, and these violations occur at EVERY school so spare me the righteous bullshit. Those violations were reported in 17 different programs ASIDES from football. Not to mention the NCAA lifted up every single rock and stone in the Mo-C allegations and nothing was uncovered. I'm not worried about so called "bodies".


>it just means OSU compliance is on their shit...or at least
>trying to be.
>
>>The NCAA could put OSU in a real bind that
>>forces their hand...
>
>so the ncaa is gonna tell OSU 'you must fire tressel'? doesnt
>really work like that man...but keep wishing.

Exactly, coaches are fired for their actions. Not the penalties that ensue. If that was the case, the NCAA would have forced USC to fire Cheatey Petey before he ran like a coward to Seattle. The NCAA can ban coaches altogether, but you'd have to be a repeat dumb ass like Kelvin Sampson to get that type of death blow.


>if the NCAA was determining tressels fate then all you dummies
>hollering about 'precedents' might have something of a point.
>but OSU determines tressel's fate and everyone at OSU is a JT
>fan so...

I'm convinced they don't know the meaning of the word precedent. I mean you have people comparing egregious academic fraud on behalf of Arkansas State (lofl) and FSU to this.

>and on the one hand you're saying that tressel should be fired
>based soley on the pearl situation...


the Buckeyebattlecry actually broke down the differences between the two cases pretty succinctly....


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Jim Tressel is currently under investigation for a violation of Rule 10.1 for unethical conduct, and has been suspended for part of the upcoming season. Tennessee basketball coach Bruce Pearl is also under investigation for a 10.1 violation and was also suspended for part of this past season, and was yesterday fired by the University of Tennessee. Therefore, Jim Tressel will also be fired.

I’m sorry, but it’s not that simple.

First, it should be noted that the violations under critique are significantly different based mostly on the magnitude. For Jim Tressel, the investigation and consequences are centering on the following:

* In April, he received notification that several players might be involved in a NCAA violation, selling their property to an outside party, which is an illegal benefit.

* He did not report this potential issue to the Ohio State Compliance office, the Office of General Council, or the Athletic Director at any time from April through September.

* In September, he (like all NCAA employees and student athletes) signed documentation to indicate that he had no knowledge of any violations of NCAA policy, in spite of the knowledge mentioned above.

* Throughout the 2010 season Coach Tressel allows players to play that may have been ineligible due to potential violations that he was aware of.

* In December, the University is made aware of the situation that Tressel was informed about in April, and suspends the players involved. During the University investigation, it’s safe to assume that Coach Tressel did not come forward with his prior knowledge.

* The NCAA suspends the student athletes involved for parts of the 2011 season, after letting them play in the Sugar Bowl.

* In January, the University is made aware of Coach Tressel’s knowledge of the situation and begins working with the NCAA to respond appropriately. The University chooses to suspend Coach Tressel, first for two games and ultimately for five, while the NCAA investigation continues.

* The NCAA has not set a timeline for this matter to be concluded, although many speculate that it will wrap up some time this summer.

Again, these are egregious violations- at surface level, it appears that Coach Tressel is responsible for his a) initial failure to disclose, b) failure to disclose in September, c) allowing participation of ineligible athletes, , and b) failure to disclose in December. Whether the NCAA chooses to see these as one violation or several separate ones is yet to be determined.

The facts of the Pearl situation are, as far as I can gather, these:

* Coach Pearl had a gathering for recruits at his house, which is a violation of the NCAA’s recruiting protocol.

* At the gathering, he informed the recruits and their families that he was not going to report that they’d been over to the NCAA, and asked that they keep silent as well.

* In addition, Pearl and his staff made numerous impermissible phone calls to recruits, again in violation of the NCAA’s policy.

* During the NCAA investigation into these concerns, Pearl denied knowledge of the gathering at his house up until the point where he was shown a photo that was taken at the event.

* Pearl is sanctioned by the University ($1.5 million over 5 years, no off campus recruiting) and by the SEC (suspended for 8 conference games). During a press conference, Coach Pearl admitted that he had made a mistake and was sorry.

* In September, following the press conference, Coach Pearl may have made illegal contact with a recruit at Oak Hill Academy, in spite of the fact that he was banned from off campus recruiting.

* This fall, Coach Pearl’s staff made an error with the guest list for the game against the University of Kentucky. While a minor violation, it was yet another strike against the recruiting practices of the Volunteer staff.

Given this, it’s possible to see several differences between the two situations. First, Coach Pearl’s falsehoods were direct lies to NCAA investigators about a situation that he himself facilitated. He broke a rule, encouraged potential student athletes and their families to be dishonest about it, and was not honest to the NCAA staff when asked directly.

This is not an attempt to excuse Jim Tressel’s behavior; but like it or not, there is a difference between breaking a rule and blatantly lying to cover it up and not being forthright. Both are egregious and should be dealt with firmly, particularly if college sports is a part of a University who hopes to shape young adults for the future.

But what should be kept in mind here when thinking about the University of Tennessee’s decision to fire Coach Pearl is that there are a number of other factors at play. First, there are the additional recruiting violations (improper phone calls, improper contact, improper guest priveledges at University events), several of which happened after the University thought they had addressed this issue with Coach Pearl. Second, there might have been concerns about other issues within the basketball program (ESPN alludes to potential substance usage issues, and there was a New Years Eve arrest in 2010). Third, Coach Pearl has a couple of violations in his past- nothing significant, but they are still present.

A final factor, and a significant difference between these two circumstances in my opinion, is the ongoing NCAA investigation into the Tennessee Athletic Department. Former coach Lane Kiffin has already been reprimanded for failure to monitor his staff, and there are questions surrounding the University’s use of hostesses in recruiting that have emerged following a 22 month investigation by the NCAA. It’s quite possible, given this climate and the factors mentioned above, that the University is seeking to “clean house” in order to put their best foot forward for the NCAA. Firing Coach Pearl might have been one additional aspect of that process.

In contrast, The Ohio State University’s athletic department is not currently under investigation by the NCAA. And, while players in Coach Tressel’s programs in the past have been sanctioned, at no time was he.

The situations and circumstances between these two matters are vastly different if you’re willing to move past the easy thoughts of fans and commentators. Again, both men should be held accountable by their institutions and the NCAA for their actions.

But to judge one institution’s response to an incident based on another institution’s decision to act on a longer pattern of behavior is simply a mistake.


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but then youre saying
>that he should be fired based on all the other stuff that
>you're hoping/praying/wishing will come out.


basically.




>long story short...tressel will be beating your ass in ann
>arbor come november as usual.


damn, you're sensitive about this...(c)
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>Not to mention the NCAA lifted up every single
>rock and stone in the Mo-C allegations and nothing was
>uncovered. I'm not worried about so called "bodies".

the ncaa twice took up residence on the OSU campus and found nothing. this is the difference between OSU and USC.

>it just means OSU compliance is on their shit...or at least
>trying to be.

im asking this question from a position of ignorance, but while the compliance dept is obviously sharp, are there frameworks in place for dealing with the same secondary violation over and over and over again at the same school? i dont know if thats happening at osu, but it seems that 375 would be an awfully high number not to have any repeats.

>>it just means OSU compliance is on their shit...or at least
>>trying to be.
>
>im asking this question from a position of ignorance, but
>while the compliance dept is obviously sharp, are there
>frameworks in place for dealing with the same secondary
>violation over and over and over again at the same school?

if the violation was frivolous to begin with then i guess doing it twice doesn't really bother anyone. i dont think people realize just how ridiculous some of the ncaa rules are.

my favorite from the strength and conditioning side of things was that you werent allowed to give an athlete a protein shake that consisted of anything more than 30% protein. wtf? but of course, you could give a kid a chicken breast which would be 100% protein. theres just lots of stupid shit like that that doesnt make any sense but could be considered a 'violation'.

>i
>dont know if thats happening at osu, but it seems that 375
>would be an awfully high number not to have any repeats.

maybe. how does the 375 compare to other schools? just wondering.

but again, from a fanbase who's rallying cry is 'It was only stretching!'...the specific nature of the infraction is kind of important here.

if the violations were egregious than OSU wouldve gotten fucked a long time ago.

NCAA Could Consider Ohio State 'Repeat Violator'
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 5:28 PM
WBNS-10TV

http://www.10tv.com/live/content/osufootball/stories/2011/03/22/story-columbus-tressel-ncaa-investigation.html?sid=102

COLUMBUS, Ohio — Previous NCAA rules violations could impact the severity of the penalties faced by football coach Jim Tressel and the team, 10 Investigates' Paul Aker reported on Tuesday.
On Thursday, the National Collegiate Athletics Association upheld penalties against five players for selling memorabilia and receiving improper benefits, but it has not yet determined what punishment Tressel will face.

Earlier this month, Tressel was suspended by the university for the first two games next season and fined $250,000 for failing to notify the school about information he received last April involving two players and questionable activities involving the sale of memorabilia.

The NCAA could levy additional penalties on him.

After the school was sanctioned for violations in its basketball program, Ohio State was supposed to stay out trouble for at least five years.

The basketball penalty started on March 10, 2006.

The basketball team had some of its brightest moments erased from history after former coach Jim O'Brien broke some rules. The NCAA imposed sanctions that included stripping the school of post season victories and pulling down championship banners as though OSU had never won.

10 Investigates has learned those problems could mean the university, and its football team, could be considered a "repeat violator."

The NCAA bylaws state that "an institution shall be considered a repeat violator if a major violation has occurred within five years of the starting date of a major penalty."

Tressel's failure to disclose is considered a major violation, Aker reported.

Bylaws state that in addition to normal penalties, a school given repeat violator status could lose up to two full seasons of play, scholarships for athletes, and recruiting privileges for two years.

Ohio State officials would not comment on whether the university expects to be considered a repeat violator.

The NCAA said serious sanctions can apply to repeat violators, but are not automatic.

Sports attorney and agent Brett Adams said OSU clearly qualifies as a "repeat violator," but questioned whether the NCAA would actually carry out its most serious penalties.

"I don't think there's any question from a technical standpoint they fall under a repeat violator status," Adams said. "I don't think there's any chance that will happen no matter what additional facts come out because Ohio State is a huge business."

Adams said that while OSU is likely to be spared the NCAA's harshest penalties, it will likely face serious punishment.

The NCAA upheld suspensions for Mike Adams, Daniel Herron, DeVier Posey, Terrelle Pryor and Solomon Thomas. The players were previously handed five-game suspensions for selling awards, gifts and university apparel, as well as receiving improper benefits in 2009.

Ohio State appealed the suspensions in the hopes that it would reduce the number of games players would miss, but an NCAA committee on student-athlete reinstatement upheld the punishments.
The players must also repay money and benefits ranging from $1,000 to $2,500.

After the NCAA upheld the player's suspensions, Tressel asked to also sit out the first five games of the 2011 season and Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith accepted his request.

Watch 10TV News HD and refresh 10TV.com for continuing coverage.
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>Sports attorney and agent Brett Adams said OSU clearly
>qualifies as a "repeat violator," but questioned whether the
>NCAA would actually carry out its most serious penalties.
>
>"I don't think there's any question from a technical
>standpoint they fall under a repeat violator status," Adams
>said. "I don't think there's any chance that will happen no
>matter what additional facts come out because Ohio State is a
>huge business."
>
>Adams said that while OSU is likely to be spared the NCAA's
>harshest penalties, it will likely face serious punishment.


I'm still not sure if this whole ordeal will cost Tressel his job (contrary to what the OSU retards on the board think, the language of my post title is anything but definitive), but it doesn't look good. If I was a gambling man, I'd wager Tressel is out.

$100 to any charity of your choice if he gets fired...

and vice versa


in fact...anyone who wants that bet...inbox me.


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crazy/desperate/unhinged

And my squad is dancing. I'm swell.

Carry on with your laughable predictions. This thread is almost as funny as Tate>Pryor.
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i actually would make that "bet" otherwise.

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other than the fact that mommy and daddy aren't paying for my professional school tuition?

is *that* your point?

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dispatch.com

When Ohio State football coach Jim Tressel learned last spring that some of his current players were in trouble, he shared the information with someone he thought could help his star quarterback even though he said he didn't tell his bosses.

Tressel forwarded the information to Ted Sarniak, a mentor to Terrelle Pryor, after the coach received emails warning that Pryor and at least one other player had sold memorabilia to a local tattoo-parlor owner who was under federal investigation for drug trafficking, multiple sources have confirmed to The Dispatch.

Sarniak, 67, is a prominent businessman in Pryor's hometown of Jeannette, Pa. He befriended the quarterback years ago and accompanied him on recruiting trips to Ohio State and other universities.

During a news conference on March 8 to announce NCAA ethics violations by Tressel, the coach said he kept the information to himself to protect the confidentiality of the federal investigation and for the safety of his players.

But Tressel also nodded his head and said "um-hmm" when asked whether he had forwarded the emails to anyone.

Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith quickly intervened to prevent Tressel from answering that question about the matter currently under investigation by the NCAA. The university suspended Tressel for the first five games of the coming football season and fined him $250,000 for failing to report the information to Ohio State officials or the NCAA, but the NCAA could accept or increase the penalties when it issues a final ruling.

Pryor and four other players also have been suspended for the first five games. A sixth player has been suspended for one game.

When asked whether Tressel had passed the information to Sarniak, OSU officials said, "We are not discussing any issues relative to the case until it is resolved with the NCAA."

In a public-records request, The Dispatch asked Ohio State officials for emails involving Tressel and Sarniak, and the university is reviewing its records. So it remains unclear when Tressel forwarded emails to Sarniak, whether the businessman received them and, if he did, what happened as a result.

The Dispatch made numerous attempts to reach Sarniak for comment, both by phone and in person. His wife said the family would have no comment.

Doug Archie, OSU's director of compliance, said Sarniak served as Pryor's contact person during Ohio State's recruiting efforts but is not considered a booster.

"Mr. Sarniak and Terrelle Pryor have been friends for a number of years, and their friendship dates back prior to Terrelle's enrollment at Ohio State," Archie said in an email to The Dispatch. "As the friendship developed, Mr. Sarniak is someone who Terrelle has reached out to for advice and guidance throughout his high-school and collegiate career."

Archie said the university thoroughly examined the relationship between Sarniak and Pryor before the nation's top college recruit arrived on campus as a freshman in 2008.

"The university continues to monitor the association between the two in case any concerns arise," Archie said.

Sources said that Sarniak has served as Pryor's mentor at the request of his family, and Tressel thought that Sarniak could help counsel the quarterback after Tressel realized that Pryor was among the players involved with a man under federal investigation. Sarniak, who has owned the Jeannette Specialty Glass company since 1976, has attended some Ohio State football games in the past three years.

"Teddy has done a lot for Terrelle, and Terrelle has done a lot for Teddy," said Ray Reitz, Pryor's former coach at Jeannette High School. "Terrelle is loved back here around Jeannette, and I think he and Coach Tressel have done a helluva job at Ohio State. He is a kid and has made mistakes, but there are some people that have wanted to see Terrelle fail since he left here."

Pryor arrived at Ohio State in the summer of 2008 after leaving Jeannette, a blue-collar town cut into western Pennsylvania's foothills about 25 miles east of Pittsburgh. It is home to about 10,000 residents, many of whom have been hit hard by a depressed local economy.

Pryor was the most ballyhooed quarterback recruit for the Buckeyes since Art Schlichter in 1978. He led Jeannette to state championships in football and basketball his senior year.

The 2010 season began with Pryor as a frontrunner for the Heisman Trophy and the Buckeyes heading for a shot at a national title. It ended with the Heisman in another quarterback's hands, fans questioning Pryor's inconsistent play and leadership, and the NCAA bearing down on him.

Many in Pryor's hometown said they have been stunned that the local prodigy has been criticized so harshly.

"He has made play after play after play for Ohio State, and it just doesn't seem like anyone over there is ever satisfied with Terrelle," said Rick Pitzer, manager of Pitzer's Townhouse restaurant in Jeannette, which Pryor has frequented over the years. "I know there are rules, but the items he sold were his. And to take away half a season from him and ruin his last chance for the Heisman just doesn't seem right. We are so proud of him, but you have no idea what it would have meant to have a Heisman Trophy winner from Jeannette."

Off the field, Pryor has attracted his share of headlines.

Among them was a Dispatch report in January that Pryor had received traffic tickets while driving cars that belonged to car salesmen. OSU officials knew that Pryor had borrowed a dealer's car while his car was in the shop last spring. He received two citations while driving that car.

Ohio State officials were unaware that Pryor had borrowed a car salesman's personal vehicle and received a ticket while returning to Columbus from Jeannette in the fall of his freshman year. The university has since investigated and found no violation. OSU officials said Pryor took the car, which the salesman said was for sale, for an extended, 48-hour test drive. Because some car dealers occasionally allow customers to borrow cars for extended periods, Ohio State and Big Ten officials concluded that Pryor had not violated NCAA rules.

The salesman has told The Dispatch that Pryor didn't buy the 2004 GMC Denali because he couldn't afford it.

Pryor is typical of many college students: He has made mistakes but has tried to learn from them, said Roy Hall, Jeannette High School football coach and Pryor's former quarterback coach.

"His emotions have gotten the best of him at times, but Terrelle is a good young man who has done a lot for OSU and does a lot for kids and the community back here," said Hall, who remains close to Pryor. "When he was back here around the holidays, we were at Pitzer's having dinner and he was pretty down about what happened and the suspension. But he's learned a good lesson, and he will be back."

A few houses down from Sarniak's glass factory on

N. Fourth Street hangs a banner touting Pryor, "2," and OSU running back Jordan Hall, "7," also of Jeannette. The house belongs to Hall's dad, Derrick Hall Sr.

It's a reminder of how the fortunes of this small Pennsylvania town and one of the nation's most prominent college football powers are linked.

"We stick together in this town and look out for one another," said Derrick Hall Sr. "I know a lot of people are down on the Buckeyes, Terrelle and Coach Tressel, but it's easy to kick people around during tough times."

mwagner@dispatch.com
tmay@dispatch.com

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This was disclosed to the NCAA in January. Like I've said all along, a year long suspension, vacated wins, and no post season bowl ban and scholly reducements.






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and 7 and 9 while you're at it.

your whole "moving the goalposts" technique of argumentation is getting old.

there was a DeepAzTheRoot post where he asked the penalty and i said a season...

go search my name...its all you do anyways...google posters and scour archives..


loser.

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remember when your initial response was *yawn*..... just like right after the tattgate story first came out too

lol @ ur dumbass

http://bit.ly/f12G8x

-Destroys his already paper-thin "confidentiality" defense
-That Tressel still has such a close relationship to Pryor's "handler" that they continue to exchange personal e-mails speaks volumes about illegitimate, clandestine recruiting relationships. A "prominent" businessman is Pryor's "mentor"? LOLOL... this businessman has huge banners of other PA OSU players in his factories? The head coach of the OSU football team sends him personal e-mail updates? And he's not a booster? LOLOLOLOL

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but his whole perfect deceptive persona of a uptight goodie two-shoes was blown up by his sheer stupidity in leaving an electronic paper trail. I mean come on Tress-dawg, I at least expected you to have some underlings do your dirty business for you

lolll i can just imagine JT at his 1999 HP Pavilion clicking around his hotmail inbox and giving the office hallway the shifty eyes once over before hitting the send button.

>but his whole perfect deceptive persona of a uptight goodie
>two-shoes was blown up by his sheer stupidity in leaving an
>electronic paper trail.

i mean he isnt pete carroll (well, pete carroll didnt know how to cheat either)

oh well..he'll have plenty of time to learn this season.





>lolll i can just imagine JT at his 1999 HP Pavilion clicking
>around his hotmail inbox

if it was his hotmail/gmail inbox we wouldnt have access to any
of these emails, and this wouldnt even be an issue.




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dumbass tressel probably still trying to play that banner ad "hit the monkey with the hammer to win $1 million" game lol

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is even better.

*waits for you to bring up guilty simpson again*
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from what?

for far less than this despite the fact that he won a title recently.

I guess the difference is that UCLA is a superior university ethically as well as academically plus they had 11 titles rather than 1 to hang their hat on for that forty-or-so year period when it occurred.

and youre still sobbing into your Cosby Temple sweater.


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not to divert, but to hit the problem head on/by bringin' out the truth in a song.

shocking.

anyone that thinks gene smith wasn't privy to this is fooling themselves.

that's not the issue. it's WHO Tressel decided to turn to for help in dealing with the situation... *not* the OSU compliance department, but rather a "prominent businessman" who is a "mentor" and "handler" for Pryor. And who happens to feature several OSU player posters and banners in his own factory. But he's not a booster. Right.

And before you answer, I'll do it for you, just choose one and then read my response to it:

*yawn*
^That's what was said right after Tatgate broke. And right after Tressel's e-mails came out. Supposedly nothing would come of this right? Well that changed when the players were suspended 5 games. And then Tressel was suspended for 2. Then 5. Then your butt buddy guru says half a season. Now he says a full season. LOL, we came a long way from *yawn* didn't we? Pretty soon, the nutty OSU fans on this board will go from saying *yawn* to "it's just a death penalty, no big deal! We're a basketball school!"

*we don't know all the facts there must be something else going on*
The last time you said this... you were right! But, unfortunately, each additional fact serves as an indictment of JT, not an exculpatory circumstance. The e-mails. The horrible press conference. The shady lawyer. Now the shady businessman. Don't worry, I'm sure there will be more!

*this wealthy businessman really IS just a mentor for Pryor, he has no other intentions*
See: Bill Martin

*Tressel told the mentor so he could deal with Pryor directly as his mentor! Yea! That's gotta be it!*
Right.... compliance wouldn't be able to do that.

*But... but... but... Tressel thought all of this was confidential!*
Oops wrong, he emailed the shady sketchball businessman. Over his own compliance department. Read that again. If he was worried about compliance compromising the "investigation" (lol) then he could have just as easily gone to the office of legal affairs... you know, the same department that CAUGHT him in his lie.


No but really, LOL @ this whole situation and the OSU fanbase response. When will you guys finally jump ship? We had to do it with Fisher and Ellerbee. If what half the heinous things the Freep was reporting were true I'd have done the same with Rich Rod. Get some dignity.

Beyond the nutty buckeye fans on this board though, I feel the worse for proud OSU alums. It's sad your alma mater has no institutional integrity. It places sports above all else. Thank god Michigan does not trumpet that win at all costs mentality. Mary Sue Coleman was probably *too* harsh following the Martin fiasco. God damn, could you imagine her saying that Fisher would fire her sooner than she would fire Fisher? LMAO thank you god once again for blessing me with the opportunity to avoid going to such a shit-stain school. Sure, I might not be able to brag about athletics wins on a online sports forum to anonymous douchebags but I can at least look at my diploma with a sense of honor and integrity.

whatever happened to that promise of u no longer conversating with me?

keep replying to my posts if you wish but do trust that from here on in I won't be responding to or reading anything you direct at me. youre beyond weird/obsessed. seek help.

peace.

duly noted!

I could be wrong & maybe when the NCAA finishes their investigation they don't find anything that confirms Smith knew. I just find that shit hard to believe man. No one knowingly withholds info from their boss that could get them & their boss fired.

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"Teddy has done a lot for Terrelle, and Terrelle has done a lot for Teddy."

^^ where there's smoke....

(Teddy is Pryor's "mentor"/"handler" that JT decided was more important to e-mail than OSU compliance)

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/iteam/2011/03/hbos-real-sports-must-see-tv-for-final-four-viewers

"Stanley McClover, a former Auburn defensive end, talks about how he received not just cash but sexual services during a recruiting visit to Ohio State."

LOL if this is true. God damn what a crumbling, cheating, scandal-ridden program. If I'm not mistaken, this would be under Tressel's watch no?

NCAA alleges Jim Tressel not honest
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6424573

The NCAA, in a notice of allegations to the Ohio State school president last week, says football coach Jim Tressel was not honest after discovering his players were selling autographs, uniforms, championship rings and other memorabilia for money and tattoos.

The incident, which resulted in a self-imposed school fine of $250,000 and a five-game suspension for Tressel, could be considered a second offense when the NCAA hands down any discipline, according to the notice, which was delivered Friday to president Gordon Gee.

The NCAA says Tressel "falsely attested" that he reported all knowledge of NCAA violations to the school.

The report also cites previous violations involving former quarterback Troy Smith, who received $500 from a booster and former men's basketball coach Jim O'Brien, who gave $6,000 to a recruit.

NCAA rules state second-time violators face postseason levies, coaching-staff suspensions and a loss of scholarships.

Ohio State must go before the NCAA's committee on infractions Aug. 12.

"It was reported that Jim Tressel, head football coach, failed to deport himself in accordance with the honesty and integrity normally associated with the conduct and administration of intercollegiate athletics and violated ethical-conduct legislation," the 13-page NCAA document says.

Absent from the notice was mention of a "failure to monitor" or "failure of institutional control," the most serious violations that historically have resulted in the worst penalties for programs.

"That was very significant," a source close to the investigation told The Columbus Dispatch on Monday.

Tressel has been suspended for the first five games of the 2011 season for failing to notify Ohio State officials of emails he received as early as April 2010 that said his players were selling the items to the owner of a local tattoo parlor.

Five players, including starting quarterback Terrelle Pryor, were suspended in December for accepting the improper benefits. All were permitted to play in Ohio State's Sugar Bowl victory over Arkansas, with their suspensions beginning with the first game this fall.

"The university will continue to work cooperatively with the NCAA during the response phase to the NCAA that now begins, and will have no further comment until the process is completed," the school statement said Monday.

Tressel, in his 11th year coaching the Buckeyes, did not disclose what he knew about the players' violations until he was confronted by Ohio State officials in January while the university was building the appeal of the players' suspensions.

Tressel did call an FBI agent within days, The Dispatch reported Monday, citing documents it acquired from Ohio State through a public-records request.

He also forwarded to a mentor of Pryor emails that had warned the coach his players were in trouble. But Tressel did not forward the emails to school officials.

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he pretty much took the fall for the university and players...couldnt ask for more from a HC...(most buckeye fans see it, and so do some impartial observers http://deadspin.com/)


btw...I heard Denard looked like absolute trash under center in the spring game...lol...and Darious Morris signed with an agent? back to the basement bitches..in both sports!


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He submitted paper work for the draft, but he specifically didn't sign with an agent. He has the option to stay in school as long as he withdraws his name from draft consideration before May 8th. He's basically trying to see where he stands...if they tell him he's a sure 1st rounder he's probably gone, if not he probably stays.

And yeah Denard looked horrible under center. Poor footwork on the drop backs and the timing for the snaps was off. Devin Gardner didn't look any better. My only hope is that it's a wakeup call to the staff on them being so rigid in moving to pro style. If we're gonna have any success at all we need to incorporate a good amount of spread option. The one good thing is that Borges said he was planning on using shotgun sets more than he ever has in the past. They need to get this stuff figured out or else the offense is gonna look like us in 2008 all over again.

>He submitted paper work for the draft, but he specifically
>didn't sign with an agent. He has the option to stay in school
>as long as he withdraws his name from draft consideration
>before May 8th. He's basically trying to see where he
>stands...if they tell him he's a sure 1st rounder he's
>probably gone, if not he probably stays.

He's a punk ass bitch who talks way too much shit (but he can play) so I wouldnt mind seeing him go...but if he comes back you guys could compete for 3rd or 4th in the Big 10.

>
>And yeah Denard looked horrible under center. Poor footwork on
>the drop backs and the timing for the snaps was off. Devin
>Gardner didn't look any better. My only hope is that it's a
>wakeup call to the staff on them being so rigid in moving to
>pro style. If we're gonna have any success at all we need to
>incorporate a good amount of spread option. The one good thing
>is that Borges said he was planning on using shotgun sets more
>than he ever has in the past. They need to get this stuff
>figured out or else the offense is gonna look like us in 2008
>all over again.


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>How did the defense (or lack thereof) look?

On the surface the defense looked MUCH improved. The secondary looked like they learned how to cover and the tackling looked better. But the offense was so terrible (both 1st and 2nd team) that it doesn't mean anything. Last year our offense was successful when defenses were on their heels not knowing whether to stay back and cover or to go after Denard. I saw none of that in the spring game. No big passing plays that happened because a corner or safety dropped down to pursue Denard. I guess it's a good sign that the corners weren't getting turned around losing the ball in the air and the linebackers weren't running into blocks. But improvement like that just speaks to how historically bad our D was last year.

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lol I forgot this dude was even alive...him and Ivan Maisel

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Beano Cook has made some outrageous predictions in the past, including forecasting that Ron Powlus would win two Heismans at Notre Dame. Cook said Thursday during an interview on ESPN radio he expects Urban Meyer to be the coach at Ohio State in 2012.

The Buckeyes already have Jim Tressel in the position, but how long Tressel lasts is uncertain. The NCAA has yet to rule on possible penalties for the coach, who committed major violations by failing to forward information about possible rules violations by two of his players and lying to the NCAA. Tressel has already said he would accept a five-game suspension.

"I think Ohio State has major problems and I think Jim Tressel has major problems," Cook, whose comments were reported by The Columbus Dispatch, said. "I've said on my Podcast. . . (that) Urban Meyer will be the coach at Ohio State in 2012. That was my prediction and I stick by that prediction."

Meyer is currently out of coaching after winning two national titles in six seasons with Florida. He will work this fall as a commentator at ESPN.

"Urban Meyer will be ready to coach somewhere," Cook said. "He said when he was coaching Florida that there were only three schools he would ever coach at – Michigan, Ohio State and Notre Dame. I think Brian Kelly is going to do the job at Notre Dame and Michigan just hired a new coach, and I think this will be Jim Tressel's last year."

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>lol I forgot this dude was even alive...him and Ivan Maisel

I thought this was a joke because I thought Beano had died.

That shit still makes me laugh. The sad thing is, he was so serious and you could tell he truly believed it.

he'll readily cop to any stupid predictions / homerism, unlike these modern day blowhards on ESPN. him referring to Miami as the Mother Russia of college football -- "unbeatable at home, not so good on the road" -- was classic.

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as much a penalty as SC received (more in my opinion but that won't happen).

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id trust his michigan intel more than what he has to say about OSU.

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though i think smith doesnt have much insight/access into the OSU program...speilman for sure.

but at the end of the day it's his opinion. and thats all it is. the opinions of media personalities matter about as much as yours and mine do. the people that matter (admin, players, parents of players, HS coaches, boosters) all support tressel.

herbie at this point is at best a cartoon character. OSU players are now twittering about how he addressed the team last season and broke down in tears while apologizing. he's a former team captain that is now longer welcome within the OSU program and he's furious, lol.

im not sure what has changed in the past 24 hours to make anyone feel any differently about what happened...other than espn going bonkers a second time around to drum up ratings.

i went to the espn.com website and there's a headline that read 'OSU has been ripped to its soul'...LMAO.

im watching the spring game on DVR and it seems like business as usual to me.

keep wishing, fellas.

school had a modicum of integrity. That's been the case since this whole thing came to light.

However since they won't, the wack-ass NCAA might wanna step in & dole out some real punishment to the program based on the way they've handled past lesser transgressions.

I'm not 'riled up' about any of that, just exhibiting rational thought.

lmao @ you comparing this to a play for pay scheme that Carroll had set up..

enjoy getting your teeth kicked in by Oregon..again.

>as much a penalty as SC received (more in my opinion but that
>won't happen).

and covering up to play multiple guys (including his star QB) who would have been ineligible.

The most they could put on Carroll was 'he should have known' that Reggie was getting fronted money in SE San Diego.

LOL @ 'more egregrious', spoken like a true Buckeye lapdog.

If some non-invested-OSU fan wants to come in here & explain how this doesn't warrant probation when SC got two years, I'm all ears.

>If some non-invested-OSU fan wants to come in here & explain
>how this doesn't warrant probation when SC got two years, I'm
>all ears.

which warranted a god knows how long investigation (while SC stonewalled the NCAA the entire time and then hired kiffin of all people) that resulted in a novel length document listing offenses scaling multiple sports.

youre either full of shit or a moron and i dont think youre a moron so im not gonna bother to list all the major differences here since you know them already. but keep fighting the good fight alongside the fans of a program who similarly have nothing to look forward to next season.

I'm not talking about the overall review of the entire athletic department because SC paid for the Mayo bullshit individually as well as the other stuff.

We're limiting this to football program, though I get why you'd want to open it up to the girl's tennis team & such.

Tressel, as the head of said program, has committed offenses far more flagrant than anything connected to Pete Carroll in a multitude of ways.

Since OSU won't can him, the NCAA if it wasn't a complete hypocritical & sanctimonious selective punishment administrator (like that sheisty bible-thumper Tressel himself) would dole out a ruling equal or harsher than the one it gave SC.

and this is all on tressel, the institution did not know (*wink wink*)...so institution's discretion isnt up for critique.


>I'm not talking about the overall review of the entire
>athletic department because SC paid for the Mayo bullshit
>individually as well as the other stuff.

ummmm, the other stuff was a huge contributing factor to why SC football is in it's current state. OJ mayo had as much to do with the punishments as reggie bush did. you cannot separate the two to strengthen your argument...you're on some O_E steeze now.

and you can't discount the fact that there were multiple infractions on the football team that had nothing to do with reggie.

and that quite simply sums up the differences between usc and osu.

the NCAA dug into SC and found many, many infractions concerning the football team and the entire athletic dept.

the NCAA dug into OSU and found nothing beyond what we already know - that tressel covered up some free tattoos.

if all the ncaa found was reggie bush...then SC would be in a much different position today.

if the ncaa found more shit on tressel extending beyond tattoo-gate then we'd be sharing SC's fate in irrelevancy.

and im sure OSU will be put on probation so they better stay on there shit...im not worried.

>and this is all on tressel, the institution did not know
>(*wink wink*)...so institution's discretion isnt up for
>critique.
>
yeah, like SC's football thing was all on Bush with a dash of Todd McNair thrown in.
>
>>I'm not talking about the overall review of the entire
>>athletic department because SC paid for the Mayo bullshit
>>individually as well as the other stuff.
>
>ummmm, the other stuff was a huge contributing factor to why
>SC football is in it's current state. OJ mayo had as much to
>do with the punishments as reggie bush did. you cannot
>separate the two to strengthen your argument...you're on some
>O_E steeze now.
>
uh, no, they were actually both dealt with separately with seperate punishments meted out.

SC tried to fall on their sword with Mayo in hopes to get a pass on Bush, didn't work out. So, no.

>and you can't discount the fact that there were multiple
>infractions on the football team that had nothing to do with
>reggie.
>
>and that quite simply sums up the differences between usc and
>osu.
>
>the NCAA dug into SC and found many, many infractions
>concerning the football team and the entire athletic dept.
>
name one on the football team besides Reggie Bush. Name anything including Reggie Bush as egregrious as what Tressell did in withholding evidence, then continuing to play guys that would have been suspended, then continuing to lie about it even in the face of a e-paper trail.

>the NCAA dug into OSU and found nothing beyond what we already
>know - that tressel covered up some free tattoos.
>
>if all the ncaa found was reggie bush...then SC would be in a
>much different position today.
>
what was the other football infraction? Jarrett living with Leinart for cheap rent? Holla at me when you actually read that report.

>if the ncaa found more shit on tressel extending beyond
>tattoo-gate then we'd be sharing SC's fate in irrelevancy.
>
your head coach lied to the NCAA & knowingly played guys who wouldn't have been eligible, how you somehow think you're not in the same ballpark is some delusion of the highest order.

>and im sure OSU will be put on probation so they better stay
>on there shit...im not worried.
>

>>and this is all on tressel, the institution did not know
>>(*wink wink*)...so institution's discretion isnt up for
>>critique.
>>
>yeah, like SC's football thing was all on Bush with a dash of
>Todd McNair thrown in.

huh?

>uh, no, they were actually both dealt with separately with
>seperate punishments meted out.

then why is bball and women's listed in the ncaa infractions report that was released during the announcement of sanctions?

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/d28c898042cdd2bc958fd5a6e282e000/20100610+USC+Public+Report.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&%3BCACHEID=d28c898042cdd2bc958fd5a6e282e000

I'm beginning to think that you genuinely do not know what lack of institutional control means.


>name one on the football team besides Reggie Bush.

whatever went down with mcnair (i dont remember), allowing agents to freely roam their program, keeping an illegal amount of coaches on staff or something to that effect...this is just off memory.


> Holla at me when you actually read
>that report.

>your head coach lied to the NCAA & knowingly played guys who
>wouldn't have been eligible, how you somehow think you're not
>in the same ballpark is some delusion of the highest order.

this is funny shit coming from a guy that clearly doesnt understand what the lack of institutional control means...or recognizes that there were a litany of factors that went into the suspension of the football program.

when the OSU infractions report clocks in at 67 pages and reads something like this:

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/d28c898042cdd2bc958fd5a6e282e000/20100610+USC+Public+Report.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&%3BCACHEID=d28c898042cdd2bc958fd5a6e282e000

and includes a segment such as this:

From December 2004 through March 2009, the institution exhibited a lack of control over its department of athletics by its failure to have in place procedures to effectively monitor the violations of NCAA amateurism, recruiting and extra benefit legislation in the sports of football, men's basketball and women's tennis.

then holler.

until then, continue to troll through this thread and continue to conjure up conspiracy theories as to why OSU will avoid the same fate as your irrelevant program.

>>>and this is all on tressel, the institution did not know
>>>(*wink wink*)...so institution's discretion isnt up for
>>>critique.
>>>
>>yeah, like SC's football thing was all on Bush with a dash
>of
>>Todd McNair thrown in.
>
>huh?
>
as in, you (who even alluded to this being 'bigger' than Tressel) know only who the highest-up they've implicated is (in this case, it was the caught-red-handed-lying-Stuttervest).

in the Bush case, it was Reggie & to some degree McNair who was suspended for the year though only circumstantially implicated in knowing anything.

Is Stutervest an acting-alone patsie?

Is he covering for somebody?

Shouldn't the school have known what goes on with their most high-profile employee & athlete on their own email server?

Sounds like your institution is lacking control, integrity, or based on that tone-deaf charade at the presser.....common sense as well.

No need to hide behind an NCAA classification that's likely coming soon to you anyway.

>>uh, no, they were actually both dealt with separately with
>>seperate punishments meted out.
>
>then why is bball and women's listed in the ncaa infractions
>report that was released during the announcement of
>sanctions?
>
>http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/d28c898042cdd2bc958fd5a6e282e000/20100610+USC+Public+Report.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&%3BCACHEID=d28c898042cdd2bc958fd5a6e282e000
>
>I'm beginning to think that you genuinely do not know what
>lack of institutional control means.
>
uh, no, I get it.

when I'm talking about the sanctions that befell the football program, they're for the football program.

basketball got hammered too, the women's thing is a phone-bill thing & used to paint the overall picture but you trying to act like that additional bullshit is what somehow separates OSU hiding evidence & playing ineligible players all season is laughable.
>
>>name one on the football team besides Reggie Bush.
>
>whatever went down with mcnair (i dont remember), allowing
>agents to freely roam their program, keeping an illegal amount
>of coaches on staff or something to that effect...this is just
>off memory.
>
McNair was about Bush, since he was his positions coach. Still not even close to the smoking-gun we have here to the top of the food chain.
>
>> Holla at me when you actually read
>>that report.
>
>>your head coach lied to the NCAA & knowingly played guys who
>>wouldn't have been eligible, how you somehow think you're
>not
>>in the same ballpark is some delusion of the highest order.
>
>this is funny shit coming from a guy that clearly doesnt
>understand what the lack of institutional control means...or
>recognizes that there were a litany of factors that went into
>the suspension of the football program.
>
translation: I have nothing to say about that so I'll hide behind some bullshit legalese while still sweating out this situation.

>when the OSU infractions report clocks in at 67 pages and
>reads something like this:
>
LOL @ you trying to use the # of pages for a five-year investigation as your evidence of something more than what I already acknowledged happened.

You Fuckeye fans are funny in your meatheaded misbelief & myopia.

67 pages.

So let's see: that makes the number of pages in that document 17% of the amount of 'minor infractions' already on record for the Buckeyes or about the same number of collective games Tressell's guys started after he had his first email episode.

And that's just what we know before the actual investigation begins in earnest over at 'Tattoo You'.

If You Start Me Up, If You Start Me Up, I'll Never Stop!

and how it relates to this situation.

and i have better shit to do then spend my entire day trying to make you understand something that you don't seem capable of understanding. so this conversation is gonna end here.



>
>basketball got hammered too, the women's thing is a phone-bill
>thing & used to paint the overall picture but you trying to
>act like that additional bullshit is what somehow separates
>OSU hiding evidence & playing ineligible players all season is
>laughable.

it's 'laughable' except that's why the punishments are going to be different. do you get it yet, 'meathead'?

you've already conceded that the punishments are going to be different. so, at least on some subconscious level, you actually do get it.



>>
>translation: I have nothing to say about that so I'll hide
>behind some bullshit legalese while still sweating out this
>situation.

LOL at sweating. keep trolling this shit up to 1000 replies with your bizzare and angry hyperbole. at this point the only people putting any further energy into this thread and taking it seriously are you and the michigan folk. misery loves company.


>LOL @ you trying to use the # of pages for a five-year
>investigation as your evidence of something more than what I
>already acknowledged happened.

the fact that it was a FIVE YEAR investigation speaks volumes.

how long did this OSU investigation last. a month?

lots of shit to uncover at SC. not nearly as much shit to uncover at OSU. that, in a nutshell, is why yall got the nuclear bomb and why OSU will persevere. let that intensely difficult concept marinate for a little bit before conjuring up conspiracy theories.

>
>And that's just what we know before the actual investigation
>begins in earnest over at 'Tattoo You'.

pretty sure the investigation just ended and the ncaa will announce their decision on aug. 12 after receiving the response from OSU.

>lots of shit to uncover at SC. not nearly as much shit to
>uncover at OSU. that, in a nutshell, is why yall got the
>nuclear bomb and why OSU will persevere. let that intensely
>difficult concept marinate for a little bit before conjuring
>up conspiracy theories.


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"But USC fans will be disappointed if they think Ohio State is about to suffer a similarly harsh fate. The Bush ruling was an indictment of USC's entire athletic culture, particularly in regard to compliance, which the NCAA obviously felt was lacking. The school has since beefed up those areas considerably under AD Pat Haden. Conversely, Ohio State's case was arguably a model of compliance. The school itself uncovered the infamous e-mails incriminating Jim Tressel and reported them accordingly. The Notice of Allegations revealed Monday targeted no one in the athletic department outside of Tressel, who conducted a one-man cover-up to protect his players' eligibility. Those players have been punished, and Tressel will be too, but I don't see mass scholarship cuts or a bowl ban in OSU's future."

>The most they could put on Carroll was 'he should have known'
>that Reggie was getting fronted money in SE San Diego.

Spoken like a true SC bandwagoner. but yea Carroll was a seasoned cheater (apparently he wasn't very good at it either) who ran a renegade program. And when the ship went down, he went running to Seattle like a faggot with his tail between his legs leaving a mess for Monte Sr and Wanna be Monte Jr...

FIGHT ON!


>If some non-invested-OSU fan wants to come in here & explain
>how this doesn't warrant probation when SC got two years, I'm
>all ears.

You've already made up your mind, so that would be futile. We deserve probation and we deserve to have last years wins vacated. But we certainly don't deserve the hammer (nor will we receive it) that $C had dropped on them (and justifiably so).

edit, Lol I can tell you're in here just egging along, and I'm entertaining it bc I'm fiending for some coll football talk. Don't worry. I know you're not this dense in real life.





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>
>
>>The most they could put on Carroll was 'he should have
>known'
>>that Reggie was getting fronted money in SE San Diego.
>
>Spoken like a true SC bandwagoner. but yea Carroll was a
>seasoned cheater (apparently he wasn't very good at it either)
>who ran a renegade program. And when the ship went down, he
>went running to Seattle like a faggot with his tail between
>his legs leaving a mess for Monte Sr and Wanna be Monte Jr...
>
>FIGHT ON!
>
See but I don't pretend Carroll didn't do anything wrong, didn't run, & didn't leave the program in a lurch.

He did all those things & it colors my viewpoint on his legacy, same with Reggie's dumb ass and his wack-ass stepfather.

I'm actually realistic about what occurred & I was never the one bragging about running a clean program like Buckeye fans did regularly.

The funny thing is the smoking-gun here is far more widespread & blatant than anything connected to Carrol's program but y'all can't accept that.
>
>>If some non-invested-OSU fan wants to come in here & explain
>>how this doesn't warrant probation when SC got two years,
>I'm
>>all ears.
>
>You've already made up your mind, so that would be futile. We
>deserve probation and we deserve to have last years wins
>vacated. But we certainly don't deserve the hammer (nor will
>we receive it) that $C had dropped on them (and justifiably
>so).
>
Apparently you didn't read the part about 'non-invested OSU fan' explaining it, I can already tell y'all just wanna stick your heads in the sand & act like this is all bullshit now that Stoops 2.0 has been knocked off his high horse.


>edit, Lol I can tell you're in here just egging along, and I'm
>entertaining it bc I'm fiending for some coll football talk.
>Don't worry. I know you're not this dense in real life.
>
>
>
>
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> and we deserve to have last years wins
>vacated. But we certainly don't deserve the hammer (nor will
>we receive it) that $C had dropped on them (and justifiably
>so).

because the ncaa had already ruled the players eligible despite full knowledge of what occurred. and nothing concerning their eligibility has changed so...

http://twitter.com/#%21/ESPN_Colin/status/62671024960962561


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meanwhile..you're still ignoring the fact that Denard looks like shit under center and you're gonna finish .500 at best in the conference...

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>Your entire decade of football under the vest has been a
>farce.

lol. ok. whatever helps you cope with all the L's youve taken in the last 9 years...in basketball and football.

9-1. 14-2. take your pick.

>The house of cards is falling. Enjoy the memories.
>It's ova man. y'all ngaz are toast.. No one cares what you
>have to say - LMAO


If you really think that, I'd love to take your money. Care to make a friendly wager?




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>y'all asses... lol

what's gonna happen when they don't?

is it gonna be like when you predict that we're gonna get gang raped by oregon and then arkansas...and then we win...but you'll just pretend like we lost anyway?

just want to know how to prepare myself.

Notice how he still hasn't said what he thinks will happen to Tressel.

P-u-s-s-y.
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>Notice how he still hasn't said what he thinks will happen to
>Tressel.

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so basically it will DEFINITELY reach 1000

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Tressel clearly messed up in a major way...instead of trying to rationalize it and deflect, just own up to it. This other nonsense is so silly.

>Tressel clearly messed up in a major way...instead of trying
>to rationalize it and deflect, just own up to it.

in 600 posts here there have to been at least 60 posts where an OSU fan 'owned up to it' (as if we walked into the tattoo shop in the first place).

take the week off and re-read this thread from start to finish and I'm sure you'll find what you're not looking for.

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That man knows his mentors!

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1647727&mesg_id=1647727&page=42

1) lol @ osu fans being wrong over and over and slowly shifting their opinions as to the outcome of this debacle

2) ppl who are just chiming in that this is a huge blow... well as far as I know, not much *new* information is in the report. status quo is largely in place and all that has happened so far is just expected news... tress is a liar, he got caught, the NCAA is going to come down on OSU.

vacated season. loss of scholarships. tressel will be terminated. bottom line.

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Updated: April 28, 2011, 5:35 PM ET

Report: Players traded, sold 36 items
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6443472

Ohio State football players are alleged to have improperly traded dozens of items to the owner of a tattoo parlor, receiving tattoos, $14,000 and in one case a sport-utility vehicle, according to a newspaper report.

The report by The Columbus Dispatch says it obtained a letter Thursday that was sent from the U.S. Department of Justice to Ohio State officials in December. The document lists 36 items that players are said to have sold to Eddie Rife or traded for tattoos since 2008.

The newspaper reports that investigators say one player received a 2003 Chevy Tahoe, purchased by Rife for $3,500, in exchange for a watch and passes to the 2010 Rose Bowl.

Only a portion of the transactions were deemed violations by the NCAA, and five players have been suspended for the first five games of the upcoming season. A related NCAA investigation into coach Jim Tressel continues.



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NCAA upholds ruling against ex-USC assistant Todd McNair
PUBLISHED Friday, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:49 pm EDT

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-04-29/ncaa-upholds-ruling-against-ex-usc-assistant-todd-mcnair#ixzz1L6dbCVwt

The NCAA upheld sanctions on former USC assistant coach Todd McNair on Friday, a decision that could have a significant impact on two of the game’s biggest programs — and Ohio State coach Jim Tressel.

McNair was the center of USC’s problems with the NCAA, which ruled McNair knew or should have known that former star running back Reggie Bush was receiving improper benefits from a would-be marketer.

McNair was appealing a show-cause order by the NCAA, preventing him from contact with recruits for one year while working for any NCAA-member institution. This ruling likely means USC’s appeal of its postseason sanction (eliminating the 2011 ban) and scholarship reductions likely won’t be approved.

It also means Ohio State’s sanctions against Tressel -- a five-game suspension and $250,000 fine for failing to tell superiors about ineligible players and playing the players – likely won’t be nearly enough to satisfy the NCAA infraction committee.

In the notice of allegations letter sent earlier this week by the NCAA to Ohio State, the charges against Tressel – which are not disputed – are similar (and on another level, worse) than what McNair faced. The NCAA said Tressel “permitted football student-athletes to participate in intercollegiate athletics while ineligible.”

In other words, he knew about violations – and did nothing about it. Just like McNair.

The NCAA also said Tressel “failed to deport himself (with) honesty and integrity” and said he was lying when he filled out a compliance form last September which stated he had no knowledge of any NCAA violations by any of his players. He, as a head coach, will be held to a much higher standard than an assistant coach.

If this response from the NCAA to McNair is any indication – why would it not with the similar infractions? – Tressel likely is facing a show-cause edict and potentially much more.


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Ohio State to investigate players' car deals
Official: No known problems with dozens of sales

SATURDAY, MAY 7, 2011 03:07 AM
BY JILL RIEPENHOFF, MIKE WAGNER AND RANDY LUDLOW
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH


http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/05/07/osu-to-investigate-players-car-deals.html?sid=101

Ohio State University's chief enforcer of NCAA rules said yesterday that he will investigate used-car purchases made by dozens of OSU athletes at two Columbus car dealers to see if any sale violated collegiate rules.

The investigation was initiated after The Dispatch found in public records that at least eight Ohio State athletes and 11 athletes' relatives bought used cars from Jack Maxton Chevrolet or Auto Direct during the past five years. The investigation will involve outside experts and examine at least 50 sales, focusing on whether the athletes received improper benefits.

The common thread in those two dozen transactions was the salesman: Aaron Kniffin, who has worked at both dealerships.

"We'll take a step back, we'll take a look at the transactions and the values, and we'll make some determinations in consultation with the (Big Ten) conference office and go from there," said Doug Archie, associate athletic director and head of compliance at OSU.

"I have nothing to believe a violation has occurred," he said.

NCAA rules don't prohibit athletes from shopping at the same stores, eating at the same restaurants or buying cars at the same dealerships. The rules prohibit athletes and their relatives from receiving discounts that are not offered to the general public.

In a joint interview with Archie yesterday, Jack Maxton owner Jeff Mauk and Auto Direct owner Jason Goss both said they never have given athletes special deals.

Mauk estimated that 40 to 50 Buckeyes bought cars from his dealership in the past five or six years .

Archie said that he was aware of all the transactions involving the athletes that The Dispatch found, but he was unaware of purchases made by their relatives.

Both dealers, whose businesses are not connected, say they routinely call Archie's office when an athlete is ready to buy a car, provide the purchase price and discuss who will co-sign on a loan. Archie said he relies on the car dealers to provide accurate information.

"I'm not a car expert. We have to rely on their integrity and their word when it comes to selling a car," he said. Ohio State runs "spot checks" on some transactions against the Kelley Blue Book value.

Archie said that he'd rather one or two dealerships didn't receive all the OSU business. "It's something from a compliance perspective that I would rather not have," he said.

Goss and Kniffin both have attended seven football games as guests of players, including the 2007 national championship and the 2009 Fiesta Bowl. At some point after 2008, Archie barred Kniffin from the players' pass list because OSU rules prohibit athletes from inviting people with whom they do business.

Goss said he received his passes from athletes who never bought cars from him.

Kniffin told The Dispatch that he has sold cars to at least four dozen OSU athletes and their relatives, that the OSU compliance staff directed them to him, and that university officials reviewed all documents before sales were final.

Archie said that he has spoken to Kniffin only once, never reviews sales documents and has not directed players to any dealerships.

All but one athlete and all of the relatives could not be reached for comment or did not respond to requests for comment.

The purchases reviewed by The Dispatch were made when Kniffin worked at Maxton between 2004 and 2009 and then at Auto Direct between 2009 and 2010.

Public records show that in 2009, a 2-year-old Chrysler 300 with less than 20,000 miles was titled to then-sophomore linebacker Thaddeus Gibson. Documents show the purchase price as $0.

Mauk could not explain it. "I don't give cars for free," he said. Gibson said he was unaware the title on his car showed zero as the sales price. "I paid for the car, and I'm still paying for it," he said, declining to answer further questions.

The cars involved sold for the average price of $11,600. Most vehicles were Chevrolets, Buicks or Dodges manufactured between 2000 and 2007. More than half had less than 50,000 miles when sold by Kniffin. Six cars had more than 100,000 miles.

Legally, dealers can sell cars at whatever price they want and are not bound by NCAA rules.

The Dispatch reviewed sales prices from Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicle records of the 24 car transactions. The records detail the year, make, model and mileage.

Officials at two national car-valuation companies - National Automobile Dealers Association and Kelley Blue Book - were asked by The Dispatch to estimate the value of the cars at the time of purchase. The values they estimated were higher than the price paid in nearly half of the transactions. However, they said it's difficult to accurately evaluate the sales without seeing the vehicles to assess condition and options.

"No one can tell you what a car's worth," Goss said.

Goss said that the athletes and relatives found his dealership because he sells good cars at good prices. "I know how to buy cars right," he said, noting that he buys cars and acquires trade-ins at low prices, permitting him to sell cars well below retail.

Two former NCAA enforcement officials, who spoke to The Dispatch on the condition of anonymity, individually said there's cause for concern.

The two collectively have decades of NCAA compliance experience. Neither had ever heard of so many athletes buying cars from the same salesman.

Car ownership among athletes has been a recurring issue at Ohio State dating back to Maurice Clarett in 2003 and extending to the current NCAA investigation of OSU memorabilia sales in which, among other things, one player traded Rose Bowl watches for a vehicle. Four of the six players suspended for selling items for tattoos - or their relatives - also bought cars from the dealers.

The Dispatch began looking at car ownership after Kniffin's name showed up on the players' guest list for three football games in 2007.

By then, Kniffin, who was working for Maxton, had sold cars to football players Gibson, Chris "Beanie" Wells and Maurice Wells while they were still in school. The mothers of both Wells' also bought cars. At the time, Beanie's mom lived in Akron and Maurice's lived in Maryland.

While employed there, Kniffin also sold cars to football players Robert Rose, Doug Worthington and Solomon Thomas. He also sold cars to Kurt Coleman's brother, Robert Rose's father and Ray Small's father.

While at Auto Direct, a used-car dealership at 2300 E. Dublin-Granville Rd., he sold to wide receiver DeVier Posey and basketball player William Buford. Relatives who bought cars from Kniffin include Pryor's mother and brother, Daniel "Boom" Herron's father, basketball player Jon Diebler's parents and Solomon Thomas' father.

Kniffin also loaned cars to quarterback Terrelle Pryor, including his own for a three-day test drive to Pennsylvania, where Pryor lives.

Kniffin, 42, who is now selling cars in an undisclosed state, vividly recalled details of the cars sold. He disputed, however, the sales prices that were listed on state motor-vehicle records.

"The sales price is much more than that," he said. "You are so far away from what the transactions are all about."

Ohio law requires dealers to report accurate information about all car sales for tax purposes. Failure to submit accurate information is a first-degree misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a $1,000 fine.

Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles Registrar Mike Rankin said the agency would investigate the transactions amid Kniffin's statement that the figures listed on titles were less than the true sale prices. Rankin likewise was puzzled by Gibson's title reflecting a loan but no sales price.

"There are clearly some issues that are problematic. It's worth seeing if there are any dealer improprieties," Rankin said.

Goss disputed Kniffin's assertion that vehicles were sold to OSU players at prices higher than listed on the titles. "Titles reflect sales prices."

Auto Direct's showroom is filled with autographed jerseys from former and current players who have purchased cars from Kniffin.

Goss, who said he is a big Buckeyes fan, said he received no memorabilia from players, who autographed jerseys he had purchased while buying their cars.

Kniffin, who said he is not an OSU fan, has had financial problems since 2006. He now owes more than $130,000 to the IRS, and his $570,000 Delaware County home is in foreclosure.

At least six major athletic programs have faced NCAA sanctions since 1990 because their athletes had free use of cars or received suspect deals on purchases: Arizona State (2005), Illinois (1990 and 2005), Minnesota (2000), Louisville (1996), Michigan State (1996), and Southern California (2010).



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>lol, paperwork that SAYS you paid 0 dollars? wtf? how dumb
>can you be?

he just didn't tell anyone

espn planted it

There IS a difference.

I'm sure ESPN won't be reporting this...


http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/05/11/older-title-shows-player-paid-13700-for-his-car.html?sid=101

Ohio State football: Older title shows player paid $13,700 for his car
University, BMV investigating vehicle sales to athletes, families
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 03:05 AM

By Jill Riepenhoff and Mike Wagner
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
Previous coverage



As Ohio State University and the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles continue separate investigations into athletes' automobile purchases, one mystery has been solved.

BMV records show that former linebacker Thaddeus Gibson paid $13,700 for a 2007 Chrysler 300C that he bought from former Jack Maxton salesman Aaron Kniffin in June 2007.

The Dispatch reported last week that the title to Gibson's car listed the purchase price as zero. Jack Maxton owner Jeff Mauk said he couldn't explain the reason.

But a prior title on the vehicle obtained by The Dispatch yesterday shows that the car with 13,760 miles was purchased on June 27, 2007, and financed through Huntington National Bank. The title without a purchase price was issued on March 6, 2008, with Huntington still listed as the lender.

Gibson said last week that he still is making payments on the car.

Ohio State and the BMV launched investigations last week after The Dispatch found that eight athletes and several athletes' relatives had purchased used cars from the same salesman when he worked at two different dealerships.

OSU is looking for possible NCAA violations in which athletes received benefits not offered to the general public.

The BMV is investigating because Kniffin said the purchase prices listed on transactions with OSU athletes and relatives do not reflect accurate sales prices, as required by Ohio law.

Kniffin has said that he sold more than four dozen cars to OSU athletes between 2006 and 2009 while working at Jack Maxton in Worthington and then Auto Direct on the Northeast Side.

But he did not sell a car to Maurice Wells' mother, as previously reported. The car, which was registered to her and Wells' stepfather when they lived in Maryland, was used as a trade-in when Maurice bought his first vehicle from Kniffin in 2006.

Records show that Kniffin has been a game-day guest of unnamed players to four football games: Michigan, Michigan State and Wisconsin in 2007 and Youngstown State in 2008.

His former boss at Auto Direct, Jason Goss, was a players' guest at the 2007 National Championship, the Penn State game in 2008 and the 2009 Fiesta Bowl, according to Ohio State records.

Kniffin said yesterday that he and his family have been unfairly harassed in the past week.

Kniffin acknowledges that he developed relationships with the players and their families, but he said they represent a small percentage of his customers and that others had final say on car sales.

Dispatch reporter Randy Ludlow contributed to this story.

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