i've been in a lot of Y's in NJ, played in a lot of really good summer leagues... have a few boys who played in these summer leagues who have had good runs overseas and good college careers and would not stand a chance in the nba... I also went to Willy P with Horace Jenkins who was an end of the bench guy the year after Detroit won the chip... and trust me he would play pick-up sometimes and str8 shit on everybody, EVERYBODY

so what Y does this take place? I'm just curious