confession: pops got me and lil brother Ravens tickets for X-Mas, went to that, had a great time, didn't watch a single snap of Skins/Niners

observation: watching the Ravens was a bizarre experience, seeing as it's been ages since I've seen a disciplined, tough, focused NFL team in my back yard. Seemingly everything the Redskins do/have done wrong, the Ravens did the oppostie. It's a brutally frustrating situation.

My thoughts?

I'll start with a powder keg explosion:

- trade Portis while he's still got some value. You all love how he's a "gamer." Well dude ain't durable either, after about week 11 he was worthless. "But Tiger he's small and he plays his little heart out!" miss me with that. We're 8-8 he didn't make us any better or worse, so ship him off while we can still get a pick or two for him.

other thoughts:

- trade Santana and Randle El too while you're at it, also for picks. Santana is of little value to us anymore and Randle El is Randle El.

- Commit to building a strong O-Line for the long term. This is the number one priority in my opinion.

- Let Jason Taylor walk, or trade him to the Patriots. he's up their alley, see Junior Seau.

- pursue an offensive LEADER in the draft, someone who can rally the troops, cause Campbell clearly isn't doing that.

- when it comes to Campbell........sigh........I don't know. He deserves probably about four more games. If he STILL looks like a bamma after first quarter, commit to developing the kid.

-think about drafting linebackers. Fletcher, as great as he is, can't play forever, and the rest of the LB corps are pretty much bammas.

- look, with the arguable exception of Cooley, we don't have a single dynamic play maker on offense. I don't know how you fix that problem, without spending a load or with a lack of draft picks, but a little explosion would help.

the harsh reality:

Until Danny Snyder hires football people who can honestly and eagerly evaluate football talent, this team will be what it's been for the last half of a decade, average-to-bad. I heard on 980 in the post game that the last two years, the Giants have had 8 rookies make their roster in both seasons. E-I-G-H-T. That's 16 new players in the last 24 months on a 53 man roster. But hey, at least we got see Adam Archuleta play! Simply put, if this team ever wants to develop a feasible blueprint for longterm success any time soon, Vinny Cerrato MUST go and be replaced by a patient person with a vast knowledge of professional football.

again, just my thoughts (c) hov, reply as you wish.





god, I don't know if I've ever been this burnt on them, fuck this team.

hail.

I got some Captain Morgan that I will be downing in a bit.

I do agree with a lot of it but here is my take on it.......

I am not completely sold on Campbell but I am not hard up on trading him either. I do think that he has a lot of issues but I would rather wait another season just to be sure of it. Hell it isn't like we are gonna win anything anytime soon anyway and he at least would make for a good DNLG QB. I think Campbell is a bit of a softie when it comes to crunch time. I dunno if he wants to win badly enough. He doesn't put plays out on his shoulders like other QBs would I think. I have seen him with opportunities to make a first down and not convert because of his indecisiveness. There were also a few times where him dodging a hit( rushing for a first down and a touchdown) cost the team because it was a valuable possession.

You could trade away Portis, Moss, and Randle-El and this team will still lose. I don't trust Vinnie to set the team up with the right personnel to win. Keep Portis around for now, but they probably should try to pry away one of Dallas RBs or draft one for the future. Last season's draft would have been perfect for that. This season's draft though doesn't seem nearly as deep with talent.

Not drafting for need, to me, means you don't know how to scout for talent and just gamble on big names. This is what Cerrato alluded to me when he said that he doesn't draft for need. Either Vinnie is lazy or stupid or both. The only good thing I will say is that we don't seem to have many divas on this team, but having a good attitude isn't enough to win games.

I want to see Anquan Boldin here next season. He is probably not gonna get paid so why not have him here? I know you probably want Moss gone but if you have him with Boldin there it would be a pretty decent roster. If the rookies develop as well then we turn out pretty decent with the WR core.

And I know most folks look forward to draft time. I don't because we manage to fuck it up every time outside of the first round. This team has terrible scouts. Part of the problem though is that this team is way too arrogant to even think about researching rookies. Danny wants it that way though and it will be like this for a very long time.

Please draft Linemen and Linebackers this year. It makes no sense not to. This has been the weakest both lines have been in a long time.

I know everybody wants Jason Taylor back but personally, I would rather not see him. I think he has fallen off but mainly, if the team isn't gonna use him in the best possible manner then we don't need him. We could draft a lineman to play as bad as he does. (I was gonna say drafting would be half the price but if it is the first round it still will come with an expensive price tag) I don't think it is fair to us to keep him if he is gonna play this poorly or to him if he isn't playing to his strengths. Just cut ties and scout other free agents or *gasp* do research and draft one in an early round. He might actually not end up sucking.

I think Shawn Springs is gone after this year. I don't see him as a Redskin next year. Too many injuries and he has finally started to slow down. I want Carlos to stay but I don't know if he is worth it or not. I don't quite understand how you can play like a Pro-Bowler then revert back to old habits like that. He could have been injured or burned out but, either way, it is kind of baffling. His contract is up this year anyway and I don't see him re-signing with the Skins.

Every year I say I have had it with this team and every year I watch. I won't be looking forward to next season but this team will do just enough to break my heart. It sucks every year.

and I think it finally hit me during our game against the Ravens. We were only down a touchdown for a period of the fourth quarter, that's when I want to see our guy pulling it together. That whole time, even down only 7, I knew without a question we'd lose that game

was Chris Cooley, that's not gonna cut it

as for Portis, I don't know what you could get for him, you might just want to draft a young power back to compliment Portis, a lot of teams are going to the 2-head monster approach in the running game and that might help keep Portis fresh and extend his career

>- trade Santana and Randle El too while you're at it, also for
>picks. Santana is of little value to us anymore and Randle El
>is Randle El.

good luck with that. Randle El is still owed 19 million over the next four years and his cap charges are outrageous. nobody is taking on that salary for a draft pick. Moss is also owed 4 million in 2009, but that might be a little more manageable since a team can void his 2010 and 2011 years.

the secondary is barely decent. the LB corp is barely decent. jason campbell makes 2 reads from short to long because he's running for his life resulting in pass plays of 3 yds. if that. the receivers are midgets. portis is best when he's got a lead blocker which they dont have.

commit to the damn run. portis is a world class back RIDE HIM. sign roy williams or plaxico when he gets out the pen. somebody taller than 5'7". rebuild the lines.

i actually am not a skin fan but im tired of ya'll crying abt this sorry ass team, they been sorry for the past 10 yrs


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forgive me CP fans if you think I'm too harsh, but I think I've figured him out

is he asked to carry a physical load? yes.

BUT this is the NFL pimpin. I've never heard a professional football player bitch about his injuries more than Portis does. It ain't that his workload got tougher, it's that a) he's vocal and the media loves a controversial quote plus b)working for Gibbs was a country club. This is your position dawg, I don't know what to tell you. As soon as he became the full on 20+ touches a game MVP we needed, he folded. Part of that was the O-Line falling off, but part of it is also the truth that he's simply getting older.

Some may see it differently, that's the way I saw it.

I'm tired of JC catching blame. "He has no heart?" WTF!!! Did you see that fool make a play with his legs in a crucial situation yesterday or was I watching the wrong game!?!?!? JC remains cool under pressure and doesn't show up his fellow players. I respect that.

Also, let's get to our receivers. How many 3rd down conversion passes are they going to drop? They did it AGAIN yesterday. Late in the 4th Moss dropped a pass that would have kept the chains moving. You cannot blame this on JC. It's been happening ALL YEAR!!!

Also, as noted, it doesn't matter who we have back there if we don't address the offensive line issues.

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Bear in mind there are only 7 rounds in the National Football League draft.

I'm sure they can get some athletic tape and a few jocks. If we're lucky the other team might throw in a few pairs of cleats.

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>
>the harsh reality:
>
>Until Danny Snyder hires football people who can honestly and
>eagerly evaluate football talent, this team will be what it's
>been for the last half of a decade, average-to-bad. I heard on
>980 in the post game that the last two years, the Giants have
>had 8 rookies make their roster in both seasons. E-I-G-H-T.
>That's 16 new players in the last 24 months on a 53 man
>roster. But hey, at least we got see Adam Archuleta play!
>Simply put, if this team ever wants to develop a feasible
>blueprint for longterm success any time soon, Vinny Cerrato
>MUST go and be replaced by a patient person with a vast
>knowledge of professional football.
>



there are obviously many layers to the Skins' problems, but this is the main issue imo

especially when it's not the Redskins trading for the player.

your analysis needs a revise to account for the fact that we can't trade players for picks. it doesn't happen.

and you don't get value anyway. he's worth more to us (a #2 WR) than he is in trade value.

this season. So yeah bringing in a big body to complement him would probably be a good upgrade.

He'll smoke an opponent then be invisible for 3 weeks.

At least a couple times a game we get good play action pass protection, Jason looks deep,but there's just no one open.

I wish I had the coach's tape to see what our WRs are actually doing, or if JC is just not seeing them.

He pulled his hammy and hasn't been quite the same since IMO.

But yeah it is still no point in trading him unless we had another playmaker at WR, which we don't, so just get someone else in who is good.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/12/clinton_portis_and_the_quest_f.html#more

I think it's time we part ways with Clinton Portis

w/ hitting 1500.

riggo needs to stfu...NFL frnachises use players up until they are shambling wrecks but let the player show the slightest self interest & then he's a cancer he's a whatever whatever...if the washington dc football team didnt have CP, they'd be atrocious instead of just bad


<----- chilling at the crib, playing a lil halo

because Portis has always been a self-interest dude. Practice has been out-of-the-question since he got to DC.

Riggins was a winner, all DC wants is a winner. CP ain't a winner, and doesn't seem to care that he isn't a winner either.

and maybe we'd have lost an extra game or two without him, but the reason we won any games at all was London Fletcher, LaRon Landry, and Chris Horton. You take those three guys off our squad and we're the Rams.

i wont act like i play close attn like that to the skins...maybe your right

people who watch us from a distance get caught up in what they hear on TV and see in the highlights. He's been good at times, but never great. He never really struck me as someone who WANTED to carry the load, and when asked to finally carry the load he complained, made his injuries public knowledge, and couldn't do it.

Honestly, I didn't expect him to be back next year anyway. Let's go with Betts and Cartwright out of the backfield next year. Use the freed up money to get some o-line help.

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<----- chilling at the crib, playing a lil halo

what I do think would make some sense is maybe going to the combine and look for sleepers that could fall to the fourth and fifth and keeping an eye on them. We need a big back that still has burners when necessary, our system calls for at least a Deangelo Williams type, if not a Brandon Jacobs.

I didn't say it was a permanent answer, just short term. Betts has proven he can carry the load when asked to. You just have to keep your fingers crossed that his fumbling issues don't creep up again.

And Roc would be a good change of pace for Betts. But your hope of finding a hidden gem of a running back, you do know who makes the personnel decisions. LOL Shit, we lucked out with Horton.

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he's on the team for two more years, at least.

Not only is he getting paid a lot like Smuts said, we really have no viable backup. That was only once that Betts had a good season and he has been crap ever since. Rock Cartwright is not a real backup RB to me either but can be used whenever the team is seriously desperate.

If they draft someone and he turns out to be good then fine. Otherwise we're stuck with him. I really don't have much beef with Portis. All this no-practice stuff is pretty overblown IMO. I do wish he would just shut the fuck up though.

Quarterback- 26 year old QBs who have potential don't grow on trees. You do not get rid of JC now. You do not issue final judgement on a guy with a rookie head coach, a shitty old o-line, and barely a play maker to throw to.

If we don't resign JC after what we've suffered for the past 25 years at the QB position, I hope Vinny gets an STD and is shamed into retirement.

Runningback- CP26 is still productive. Very productive. Overpaid? Yes. Injury prone? Sure (although we could do with giving him less carries). Big mouth? Yes (although it's yet to cause a major problem, hasn't it?). But you don't get rid of him right now. We have neither a suitable replacement, nor a passing game to rely on. Regardless, his salary is unmovable through at least the next two years.

Fullback- I heart Mike Sellers

Tight end- While Chris Cooley isn't good enough to beat double teams, he is still one of the better TEs in the league. Yoder is a good back up blocker. Fred Davis is apparently not smart enough to be able to displace Yoder. That, or Zorn is an idiot. Either way, that's a wasted draft pick.

Wide receiver- What can be said the hasn't already been said? Santana is too small and inconsistent to be a true #1, despite his high salary. He's best suited to a deep threat #2. ARE is a glorified slot WR. He'd be good in that role, unfortunately we gave him a $30M contract.

The rookie WRs are either too injured or too inexperienced to contribute. This is a problem. They might be two wasted picks, and either way, we need to improve at the 2nd WR slot. Without another decent WR, our passing game will remain worthless. Double Moss on 1st and 2nd down. Double Cooley on Third. Force them punt.

LT- Chris Samuels- Overrated and overpaid but still an above average tackle at a position that's hard to fill. We have worse needs

LG- Pete Kendall- at this point would make a good back up, but is a bad starter. Chad Reinhart needs to be starting for him going into training camp.

C- Casey Rabach- not terrible, but had some pretty bad games this year.

RG- Randy Thomas- still elite, IMO. Getting up there in age, but probably our most consistent lineman

RT- Jon Jansen- not really starting material any more. Stephon Heyer has promise, but has a LONG way to go.

Overall: too much age, not enough athleticism. None of these guys on their own are terrible, but as a group they just can't perform at an elite level. We need to get young, fast.

Defensive ends: honestly, the only one worth writing about is Demetric Evans and he's a UFA. Jason Taylor was a waste of a pick and money. Andre Carter is extremely overpaid and only had four sacks this year. FOUR.

Defensive tackles: this group isn't terrible but there's no real force or run stuffer inside, and that has to change. We get no pocket push whatsoever, which is a big reason we don't get sacks, IMO. This needs to change.

OLB: Marcus will be 32 and is injury prone. Rocky has shown flashes but at this point is still recovering from multiple knee surgeries. OLB isn't quite the need that d-line is, but a playmaker would really help.

MLB: London is the defensive if not team MVP. He's old but should be good for at least another year or two.

CB: Deangelo Hall had a good year for us but I still don't trust him. I'd love Carlos back as a #2 but he'll probably want too much money. Smoot looked rocky out there and would be an ok nickle corner, but struggles when he has to play #2. Shawn Springs is solid but would be much more effective as a FS at this point.

SS: Chris Horton was a revelation. He's a tackling machine. While he made rookie mistakes, he had as good of a season as anyone.

FS: Laron Landry. He does his job well, which is basically to prevent long TDs. His ball hawking skills aren't being utilized b/c he's told to play so deep. It would be nice if our secondary had more talent and allowed him to take more risks but...

K: Shawn Suisham- probably the worst kicker in the league. League lowest FG %.

P: Ryan Plackemeier- pretty f-cking bad. Had 2 games where he pinned the ball well, but that seemed pretty flukey to me.

KR: Rock Cartwright is a beast. He'll never get a ton of TDs. But damned if that man doesn't return it to the 30 EVERY time, if not the 40.

PR: Randle El is terrible. No burst. No moves. I swear his avg is 2 yards per punt. Why Zorn & Danny Smith insisted on keeping him back there was possibly the biggest mystery of the season. We were simply incapable of getting a spark out of the PR game, which really hurt our already hurting offense.

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"There's a fine line between persistence and foolishness..."
-unknown

"To Each His Reach"
-George Clinton

Landry. Horton. Deangelo. Carlos. London. Portis. Cooley. JC. Moss.

It's not like they're starting from scratch. Some of our bigger/older contracts are actually dumpable this year. If we would f-cking commit to the draft this roster could be good sooner rather than later.

I think he only thinks of the draft as rebuilding a team from scratch. I don't think he sees the draft in that way at all. We do have holes, a lot of them to fill, and I think Cerrato and Snyder think that they can sign free agents to fill those holes instead of using the draft. We do have enough talent to win now, but I think they are too impatient to see rookies develop and too lazy to actually scout talent in the draft.

Snyder has ignored the draft largely since taking ownership of the team, and patience has never been a virtue.

I'm actually shocked they gave Zorn a second year, but then last night I'm watching sportscenter and Cowher is largely saying he wants another season off before coaching again, and if he considers going somewhere this year, he want to bring along HIS OWN personnel guy.

Methinks that might have turned Snyder and his buttbuddy off from pressuring Cowher with an offer.
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"There's a fine line between persistence and foolishness..."
-unknown

"To Each His Reach"
-George Clinton

everything else is window dressing.

we need more WRs but we have to wait another year to see if Thomas/Kelly is decent.

>Until Danny Snyder hires football people who can honestly and
>eagerly evaluate football talent, this team will be what it's
>been for the last half of a decade, average-to-bad.

While we're all passionate about the team and love watching, nobody really expects anything to change until Danny has an epiphany (he doesn't know SHIT) or he sells the team.

Until then, we all know how it's going to go every year: .500

Sometimes a little better, sometimes a little worse. But mostly no continuity. No plan. No sustained success. Why dipshit Danny doesn't just look at the Colts/Steelers/Pats or even the damn Eagles is beyond me.

Draft. Draft. Draft. Sign a few guys. Nothing else works.

>While we're all passionate about the team and love watching,
>nobody really expects anything to change until Danny has an
>epiphany (he doesn't know SHIT) or he sells the team.
>
>Until then, we all know how it's going to go every year: .500
>
>Sometimes a little better, sometimes a little worse. But
>mostly no continuity. No plan. No sustained success. Why
>dipshit Danny doesn't just look at the Colts/Steelers/Pats or
>even the damn Eagles is beyond me.
>
>Draft. Draft. Draft. Sign a few guys. Nothing else works.

The Danny is so arrogant that he thinks patch-up work will actually do the trick. I am convinced that he and Vinnie are dead set on not drafting folks. Too scared to build from the ground up.

peep:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/12/skins_fans_despoil_cerratos_wi.html

unfortunately, I didn't type the "o" in mediocre hard enough, and he poked fun. but hopefully I made my point

*GONE*

- Jason Campbell was the least turnover prone QB in the league this year. Plain and simple, even with a terrible O-Line that wouldn't even help him up after getting him blasted. Even with no receivers to throw to, even with a broken Portis. JC is good and if we give him a chance he'll be good. Stop being irrational and thinking about the loses, look at the player and circumstances that he's in.

- Portis is the best thing we have on Offense behind an aging and oft injured offensive line. He has a huge contract so he's not going anywhere.

- If anything we need to trade Ladell and see if we can get something for him.

- Hall was our best corner this year, I'd love to see Carlos return to the player he was at the beginning of the season, but i've watched him lose focus and thus hurt this team a lot lately. He's coming up on that free agent contract after the 2009 season so i'm sure he's going to ask for a lot. Smoot may be heading for the door soon. Shawn Springs misses too many games and his days as a corner are behind him. We can run packages with 3 safeties if he steps back to play a 3 safety.

- London was great, but if he can't get any help there's almost nothing we can do. Rocky's injuries and inability in coverage has cost us a lot this year. HB's injuries and hesitation on plays has cost us as well.

- What hasn't already been said about the line and receivers.

- The bad news kids is that we only have 4 draft picks in the upcoming draft so really i'm not sure where this help is coming from.

Until Vinny is gone there will always be a subpar team on the field.

Good way to get draft picks back maybe. I definitely am intrigued by that.

because smarts team (not the Redskins) aren't willing to dangle their future for proven vets.

So it'll be tough to get any decent draft picks, remember Randy Moss went for a 4th rounder. So imagine Ladell ain't gone get but a 6th round at best.

but like I said we only have 4 picks so we better do something.

and he might actually have trade value too.

Since Carlos is all but gone I'm not sure what we're going to do at the #2 CB spot.

Springs isn't the worst CB in the world, but who plays when he inevitably misses games?

That would force us to keep Smoot and Hall. Hall is going to fetch a PRETTY penny on the open market we should've locked him up after the Bengals game. If he leaves and we trade Carlos we're in a world of a trouble, because all we have back there is no one. We let go of Tryon (although he sucked) and Mike Jennings sucks as well.

Also you have to take into account the Shawn Springs will miss at least 8 games a season, at 5 mil per season, that's a hefty price tag. I might be inclined to cut him.

Should at least try. We gave up a third round pick for Brandon Lloyd and T.J. Duckett. We could at least see what we can get.

but no one is as stupid as we are in terms of giving away their future 2nd and 3rd round picks.

2nd and 3rd rounders are starters on every team except ours. We either have 1st rounders (can't miss) or 7th rd luck (c. Horton)

Things ain't going so good in FedEx Field right now.

either way, making the cap is the one thing Snyder is good at.

back to the Skins...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/20/AR2009012003850.html?sid=ST2009012004054&s_pos=

Too long of a swipe to post up on here.

Pretty much says everything we were discussing on here. Carlos wants to be traded now so they are trying to shop draft picks for him. Good thing to do but knowing the Skins they probably will pick up the wrong people anyway.

DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT.

playoff teams? build through the draft.
ALL THREE division rivals? build through the draft.

Snyder/Cerrato? Their idea of progress is trading for Jason Taylor and being proud that they "still" have four picks left this year.

Haynesworth I would pass on wholeheartedly, because he'll just want to come here get cakey and fatter and under perform. Which is almost certainly what's going to happen.

And not because we play a 4-3 defense, I honestly think he would be less effective given our D-Line being pretty terrible.

As far as Haynesworth is concerned, I think the team would be better off drafting a good lineman. We need to be younger anyway.

I'm convinced a huge reason our pass rush is never good is because we don't have DTs who can collapse the pocket.

they're good against the run, but they get no push on passing plays.

they are decimated at the DL and OL

you can't get any worse than that in football.

yeah, the Cowboys are f*cked up and have a meddling owner in Jerry Jones. but yet, Jerry is a football guy, the Cowboys have talent all over the place.

yeah, the Raiders are f*cked up and have a senial owner in Al Davis, but Al is a football guy and the Raiders have some talent.

the Redskins? we have a meddling owner in Snyder who has no clue about football matters, who is also the GM, with Cerrato being the puppet and dart board when anything goes wrong.

and because of that, its what you see right now.

the Redskins are in shambles, and need a massive overhaul of the DL and OL. only 4 picks in this draft to do so. you can't build and develop a DL or OL through free agency.

they got a coach, in Zorn, who is completely in over his head as a head coach and offensive coordinator and does not know how to coach Jason Campbell and bring out his strengths. Zorn has hamstrung Jason and that offense.

no playmakers at WR (Moss is a 2nd-3rd WR at best, not a #1 option and not a leader), no punt returner. old and injured LB core. old, injured, and disgruntled DB's.

only players worth keeping? Cartwright, Ethan Albright (ha!), Landry, Campbell, the rookie safety from UCLA, Fletcher, Cooley, Heyer, and Campbell.

the rest you can get rid of.

players don't come to the Redskins to win. they come to get paid. and that attiude is a cancer to this franchise. very few players care if they win or lose on this team. its not like that with the Ravens. its not like that with the Steelers. those guys play like they live from check to check.

it starts at the top. until we get a legit GM, president, scouting department, we'll be saying the same sh*t next year, that we have been saying since Snyder acquired the franchise. And that other organiztion up 295, the Ravens, will be contending for the Super Bowl for years to come.

I think Zorn has done some good things in helping Campbell's progress; however Zorn's playcalling/scheme haven't worked to these strengths.

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he has a great talent in Jason, and is coaching him like he is Matt Hassleback.

Zorn has such a hard-on for techniques that he loses sight of the bigger picture. he is a paralysis by analysis type dude. and its retarding Jason's growth.

-great longball with a good amount of overall upside, but he's a LONG way from a "great" talent. Matt Ryan is a "great" talent, Joe Flacco is a "pretty good" talent, Jason Campbell is solid on average, good at best. He's not capable of totally losing games, but he's not capable of totally winning games either, like Ryan did at times this year and like Brady,Peyton,Ben, and Kurt have done by the dozens. JC has quite a ways to go before he can be called a "great" talent.

>-great longball with a good amount of overall upside, but
>he's a LONG way from a "great" talent. Matt Ryan is a "great"
>talent, Joe Flacco is a "pretty good" talent,

okay, stop there.

Flacco and Ryan were on playoff teams this year, with a great supporting cast of talent, coaching, and franchise altogether, where everybody in that organization was on the same page.

how "great" was Matt against the Cardinals in the playoffs.

everybody knows Flacco was protected on the Ravens. He had a good OL, great back in the backfield, good TE, good WR's, good special teams, and a defense. And an offensive coordinator who is proven and knows what he is doing All Flacoo had to do was not screw up the game. And it worked until he got in the AFC championship game. And Mr. "pretty good" lost the game for them in the 4th quarter when he had to win it for them.

is Jason in the same situation. no at all. He has a rookie head coach who is also a rookie coordinator, who is more focused on how many inches jason's ass is from ground when he squats behind center than actually drawing up plays for the offense to score points.

>Jason Campbell
>is solid on average, good at best. He's not capable of totally
>losing games, but he's not capable of totally winning games
>either, like Ryan did at times this year and like
>Brady,Peyton,Ben, and Kurt have done by the dozens.

okay, now you are comparing Jason to Peyton, Brady, Ben and Kurt? lmao All Super Bowl winnning QB's., and putting Ryan, who didn't win a playoff game yet in the same sentence with them?

eh...riiiiight.

> JC has
>quite a ways to go before he can be called a "great" talent.

JC is a great talent, if he is allowed to be. put him on the Falcons he does the same thing Ryan does and then some. JC is in an organization that doesn't know what it wants to be. Its not place to develop a young QB. 3 offenses in 3 years. 2 of which the Gibbs and Sanders weren't even on the same page, and the other Zorn is in over his head. You can't develop in a dysfunctional setting like that.

so I think it's fair to mention Brady,Peyton,Kurt,and Ben considering you set the tone for the argument by saying "great"

You trippin' fam! And Ryan is debatable.

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and Flacco, as demonstrated in some big games this year, win OR lose (with the exception of the Steelers playoff game) is a gamer.

and Ryan is legit, no way you can't see that.

Players/coaches that yell allow or are animated care more than those that don't/aren't.


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we'll be saying this stuff until he sells the team, which I hope happens in my life time.

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the economy will crash & rise 10 more times before he even dreams of selling.

DECADES from now.

Because I do not see Snyder ever selling the team anytime soon.

if Snyder doesn't come to terms with a "hands off approach" here in the next, eh, maybe three years?, then he never will and he'd simply have to die and leave all his Skins related assets up for sale in his wake.

If by 2012 the Skins have not had a season in which they win 11 games or more, or a playoff game has still not been held that features Washington as the home team or as a last minute wildcard, then it's a wrap until he kicks the bucket

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/01/bruce_allen_rumors.html

Posted at 8:15 PM ET, 01/22/2009
Bruce Allen Rumors

We got a tip this morning that former Tampa Bay GM Bruce Allen had been in discussions with the Redskins about a possible role in their front office. We have been unable to get that fully pinned down, and cannot report at this time whether or not that in fact happened. This afternoon Profootballtalk.com posted an entry about rumors of Allen landing with the Redskins. We continue to work to try to verify, or refute, these rumblings.

To this point we cannot report with any certainty on what is going down. The Redskins offered no response to our inquiries, Allen has not returned calls, and, while he did return one email request, his response did not confirm or refute the notion. One source close to Allen, son of former Redskins Hall of Fame Coach George Allen, shot down the idea as one of several unsubstantiated rumors making the rounds now.

Several sources who have worked for or with owner Daniel Snyder and/or Allen have said the men have much common ground and that Snyder has dabbled with hiring Allen in the past. They said that Allen's personality would be a good fit for Snyder - he would be cool with the ancillary things that usually come with working closely with Snyder, like jetting off to Vegas or Aspen or Europe, working very late hours sometimes, etc. Several sources who previously worked in Washington's front office thought it was a combination that makes sense and could see Snyder being interested in Allen - who previously worked as an agent and has steep history managing the salary cap as well.

At this point we have no idea what any hypothetical deal with Allen would mean for current executive vice president of football operations, Vinny Cerrato, and, again, we are not reporting anything concrete here. As we get more nailed down, either way, we'll post as much as we can.

so does this mean that Gruden will be hovering over if Zorn tends to struggle again next year?

middle-of-the-road coach who's notorious for being a dick. You think Mr.Nice Guy Zorn can't get along with CP? Wait til someone with balls comes in

they hire Allen, he is going after Gruden if he has the chance.

>middle-of-the-road coach who's notorious for being a dick.
>You think Mr.Nice Guy Zorn can't get along with CP? Wait til
>someone with balls comes in

CP will be gone after next year.

see, well, pretty much every offseason signing of the last decade

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I don't like Gruden, but he's probably a better OC and head coach than Zorn will ever be.

I don't know if that's a comment on Zorn or Gruden, lol

fit here though. His style will wear on a bunch of divas quick.

Snyder is already good enough at alienating players. We don't need a HC that likes to do that too.


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He pays them a lot.

He's run players outta town before.

and then they throw tantrums (see Lavar).

Like he singlehandedly won them some games.

I don't get why everyone turns and shits on Lavar because Greg Williams shits on Lavar.

He was the Washington Redskins for a while, not the face he was the team.

Bammas have short memories.

now I can't speak on the GW/Gibbs side of the story, maybe they were wrong who knows. But I can say that calling a good man a coward PUBLICLY years after the fact is wrong. Furthermore, dude went and played for the Giants out of spite but comes back and dickrides the urrea like it's all good.yea Art did it too, but Art's a winner and a HOFer and at that point he was just getting what cake there was left to get. Lavar left bitter.

If you're hating on Lavar for bitchmade comments then please go right ahead, but there is no way any real fan of the team can say his service wearing the Burgundy and Gold wasn't better than good.

The org threw him under the bus publicly and basically ruined his chance at playing for many teams, as a compettitor I can understand wanting to get some revenge, I mean shit Antonio Pierce did the same exact thing.

Lavar was a good player, there's no way he shoulda came at Gibber like that.

Oh and you better not never say nothing bad about Art ever!!!! :-) The org let Art go, he didn't retire, they let him go at a time when he was second on the team in receptions behind Ricky Sander who got let go the next year, and Gary Clark had been let go a year earlier. Where the next year Art had more catches than any Redskin reciever. WE did him wrong, but he will always be a Redskin.

Plain and simple, some folks can talk, others can't. Art can say anything he won't but he can, Lavar really can only talk about Snyder, but eveyrone already knows he's an ass.

Sorry i get a little defensive when bammas start talking about bad about Art

something messy. Plus all the BS he said about Gibbs was somewhat uncalled for. Dude was just bitter.

That is not to say that I didn't appreciate what he did. Dude was very good at what he did and could bring a big play to the team anytime. I wish we could find another big play linebacker like him.

>Like he singlehandedly won them some games.
>

when?

he singlehandedly lost us games.

>I don't get why everyone turns and shits on Lavar because Greg
>Williams shits on Lavar.
>

because he was overrated and a diva. he had Ray Lewis hype, but not Ray Lewis talent. Lavar was not a leader, wasn't about the team, and was all about himself. He was a raw athelete that did not understand the fundamentals and intricacies of the game, and he did not like to be coached unless he free-lanced, which cost the defense. His best year as a pro was under Marvin Lewis, and Lavar hate him because he felt Lewis didn't know how to play him right with his hand on the ground rushing from a 3 pt. stance. yet, Lavar had his best year as a pro w/ Lewis as DC.

Lavar was also one of Daniel Synder's pets for the early years.

but there comes a time where you have to produce on the field, and Lavar didn't.

Lavar was good for jarring hits every now and then, and uncontested sacks. that made the highlight reel. But he was mostly good for blown assignments that don't show up on ESPN or Fox 5, but cost the Redskins big plays on D.


>He was the Washington Redskins for a while, not the face he
>was the team.
>

He was the public face in the media. He was a media darling. but he wasn't a great player. He wasn't LT, Derrick Thomas, or Ray Lewis. And Lavar had that type of physical talent. He just lacked the intangibles.

>Bammas have short memories.

include yourself in that group, "joe".

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Fire Dick-Rod and got get Urban Meyer

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That shti caught me hoard

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So we might actually be WORSE at guard next year than we were with Kendall this year? I didn't think that was possible.

If Heyer & Reinhart aren't good enough to start, this roster is an even bigger disaster than anything I imagined.

All of the veteran players who we need to get rid of are almost all unmovable b/c of restructured salary commitments.

This is a shit show and it's probably going to get worse. As is always true: the biggest problem in all this is that we're going to suck without using this time to commit to building a real foundation.

We're just going to keep sucking while we keep jumping from one patchwork solution to another.

Danny is one of the dumbest football minds to grace this league in a long, long time.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/01/skins_first_set_of_personnel_m.html

like Deion style, like 7 years for 50 plus

Man, this would solve a HUGE problem with this team!

Redskins reportedly ready to offer big dollars to Haynesworth
Posted: February 24, 2009
Sporting News staff reports

The Houston Chronicle is reporting the Washington Redskins will do everything they can financially do to sign free-agent defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth.

A source tells the newspaper that the Redskins will wait for the Tennessee Titans to make an offer to Haynesworth and then will likely offer him a $100 million contract with an average of $15-16 million per year. "My guy is almost never wrong and Dan Snyder gets what he wants," writes the Chronicle's Lance Zierlein.

SI.com's Peter King reported earlier this week that Haynesworth's agent, Chad Speck, was seen having dinner with Snyder in Indianapolis, where the NFL Combine is being held.

Haynesworth, 27, announced on February 18 that he wanted to test the free-agent market to see how much he is worth outside of Tennessee.


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I don't care how big of a need or how good this guy is.

and that's ignoring the real chance that he never plays up to the level he did last year.

I pray we bring him back after letting him shop around. It's what we did with Rock last year.

Demetric Evans is EASILY the best DE on the team, possibly the best d-lineman. He's versatile & reliable.

Jason Taylor.

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Cutting his $8M ass makes sense, but...

It's not like he helped all that much if at all last year. Plus, cutting him would have zero impact on the salary cap.

I also heard even thou Randle El restructured, he better watch his back too. I wouldn't miss him at all.
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fucking great way to manage a team.

"oh really agent, you think I should keep your useless client and pay him an undeserved $8.5M? Well, you're the boss..."

I really have no idea what this team is trying to do.

I mean, I don't have a clue.

wait, scratch that.

step 1 is to know that we have two complete idiots running the team and so 99% of our moves will be dumb

step 2 is to wait to see what they actually do.

step 3 is to just watch the games and get drunk.

>wait, scratch that.
>
>step 1 is to know that we have two complete idiots running the
>team and so 99% of our moves will be dumb
>
>step 2 is to wait to see what they actually do.


In previous offseasons, they were somewhat predictable.

You're right tho.

They've decided that Hall wants too much and they can't pay him, and Haynesworth so they're goin after Albert. Frankly i would've rather paid Hall, and gone after orakpo outta Texas. We'll see though, I'm not against Haynesworth but we're going to pay too much for him.

Taylor should be gone, Springs should be gone, randle El should go too. If you're cutting Marcus Washington, then cut them fools too.

All this talk on Defense, let's hope there's an offensive line that they're willing to throw some draft picks.

They have decided that Jason is not their Qb and haven't even begun talks with him. Apparently Vinny and danny love Colt Brennan, and they think he has that Brett Favre riverboat gambler mentality.

Color me worried.

Financially speaking, it doesn't make sense to give JC a deal now. If he lights the world on fire, resign him during '09

I like Orakpo but I'm really against adding more DE talent without addressing DT (through the draft, not Haynesworth).

Without pocket push, the outside rush doesn't help much.

>
>Taylor should be gone, Springs should be gone, randle El
>should go too. If you're cutting Marcus Washington, then cut
>them fools too.

They recently reworked Renadle El's contract to create help create cap room.

he'd be a pretty good player. But he's out of position at Flanker, and he sucks at PR.

P-E-R-I-D, perid!!!!

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I question the sanity of anyone who talks up his potential.

>I question the sanity of anyone who talks up his potential.
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What like all the people calling in 980 saying he should be the starter. Idiots.

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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1148524&mesg_id=1148524&page=#1153845

Whom would you rather have on this team at the moment?

he's a solid not-old starter at a position of great need.

Royal is whatever. He was overrated as a blocker, and in dreamland, Fred Davis takes the #2 spot next year anyway.

Haynesworth comes with a pretty big price tag but is a major need. Dockery maybe not so much but he would be much better than anybody we got at the moment.

I could give a fuck about Royal at the moment. Yoder is just fine. If Fred Davis improves then great.

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Okay seriously.....

I think I would take Dockery's price tag over Haynesworth.

they couldn't be more unrelated moves.

Dockery is a midlevel/cheap FA. Haynesworth will get one of the biggest defensive contracts ever.

Well I guess since they released him.......*shrug*

But yeah I don't wanna be cash strapped by a dude in his prime. He is what 27 with a penchant for injury. That is about what, maybe three good years, at about what 18-20 mill a year?

That is a lot to think about.

and yeah, Haynesworth is just too expensive for a team with as many needs as we have.

We're old at almost every position (of talent) on the field.

you mean Dan Snyder didn't wake up and become a different person?

I don't get it.

At least Jerry Jones switches it up from time to time.

I have no doubt that Haynesworth is going to get $15 mill per plus from the Skins and a ridiculous bonus.

If 20 more years go by and all the Skins ever achieve is 1 playoff win every 5 years, would he EVER, EVER under ANY circumstances, switch things up and hire a real GM?

Or is he really that dense? like, 30-years-of-mediocrity-dense.

and then he'll be further convinced his own instincts are correct.

Now I have to get ready for the mediocrity of the regular freakin' season.....

This was a dummy move for that type of money....
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someone was gonna pay him... you could argue he was the NFL MVP last year... he will be a defensive monster for at least the next 3 years... Skins fans, your defense has not been respected in the league for years... people run up the middle on y'all... that will change... your in a division with Brandon Jacobs and Marion Barber III... snyder has the dough and as usual the cap means shit... so just enjoy the signing... the DeAngelo Hall signing was pathetic and embaressing though.


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Hall was the best defensive back on our team last year. Hands down.

He deserved his money, he wasn't a good fit in Oakland, but he's a better fit here. Hall is a top flight corner in this league, he got paid like one.

If

and this is a pretty big if

but

if Dan Snyder were to die in a plane crash, car accident, some sort of sudden tragedy, would you mourn?

I mean, this is a f*cked up situation I'm talking about here obviously. But truly, would you be phased at all? If it meant that, hypothetically, this were the only way for a completely fresh start with an all new owner and brand of ownership, would you grieve or feel sorrow?

I've concluded that I would shrug. Even more terrible, is the very good possibility that a calm would overcome me, a calm similar to when Obama finally put his hand on the Bible.

This post is ridiculous, but it holds weight.

I would actually feel bad for about a day or two. I really don't wish death on too many folks unless they are really despicable people. Danny is not a despicable person....just a good businessman but bad football franchise owner.

I honestly wish that a light bulb goes off in his head and he realizes that his way of running the team sucks. He gets good profits for a team that ain't shit. Danny is stubborn though so that may not happen. I would rather him have better football acumen than him die and we end up with an owner that is worse than he is. Sometimes you gotta be careful what you wish for.

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Big money though...

Snyder destroying the Redskins.

a franchise, that once set the bar and standard for other organizations in the league that just went down the toilet by an owner who is a great businessman, but not a great football man.

Hanesworth is a head case. Apparently he has a huge temper and laziness.

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http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/432944/albert_haynesworth_a_great_player_on.html


Haynesworth got his start in college at the University of Tennessee. Haynesworth developed a reputation early as having a temper. In collage he once left a practice angry with another player during his sophomore season. He would return to practice with a pole looking to hit the player. Fortunately he was stopped by head Coach Phil Fulmer who suspended him for half a game. Haynesworth's temper continue to be visible while in training camp with the Tennessee Titans. Haynesworth kicked teammate Justin Hartwig in the chest and had to be separated by teammates.

Haynesworth temper got him in the most trouble last year. During a game against the Dallas Cowboys Haynesworth stomped his foot on the face of a player who was laying on the field with his helmet off. Rumors suggested that Albert had ripped the helmet off himself although video did not support this. Albert was hit with two penalty's and later ejected from the game. He was eventually hit with a five games without pay and had to work very hard to work his way back on the football field.

Haynesworth for years has battled questions about being overweight and faking injuries. He has even acquired the nickname 'Fat Albert.' Clearly overweight, his lack of conditioning was often obvious on the field.

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typical player coming to the Redskins. All you can do is enjoy the enertainment of this ongoing soap opera. because the results on the field will leave you bored.


Its not going to work. Funniest thing is, the Skins had a good defense this year despite not having a pass rush. Defense wasn't really the problem. And they need defensive ends more than they do tackles.

like after the collapse revealed all of our flaws, most notably the age of this team, and so many sports media outlets called Cerrato out on ignoring the draft, I thought maybe cooler heads would finally prevail and we'd see a chance at focused long term growth.

it's disgusting.

Some owners get it, some don't.

Danny is one of the bad owners. He's not the worst, b/c at least he spends money. But he will never preside over sustained success, never.

He will never achieve a fraction of what Jack Kent Cooke achieved.

The Skins are back to business as usual. I sgree that the onfield product is boring as hell. And that's quite ironic seeing as they have all of these BIG names on the field. I mean at just about every position they some sort of "name" player who was at one time or another at the top of the league.

Last year, I bailed on these cats at the end of the year. i folowed them and all, but I just couldn't keep watching the same ol shit on the field every Sunday.

100 million is a lot for ANY player, much less a non-quarterback position. Such short-sightedness ALWAYS comes back to bite them in the ass, once the season gets started and injuries start to pile up and they end up having zero quality depth, because they put so much money into such a few positions...

This is very similar to the offseason where they went after all of those WR's/pass catchers (twice actually). Over paid and overspent resources (three 2nd round draft picks!) for a perceived need. It's great that they can see that the need is there, but get a clue already as to how to go about filling it!

Ugh!




...

my thoughts,

peace.

I have never heard of being so arrogant that it blinds good judgment.

Snyder stays making the wrong decisions about how to build a good, consistent team.

Maybe he'll get burned eventually. Maybe we'll go into cap hell and Snyder will have to face what he's done.

read this, Ted Leonsis speaking on the current situation of the Capitals and their bright future. It's bizarre how one person could understand something so well and another in the same town in a similar position could be so clueless.
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"...it's a home-grown team. And I believe in this, that when a kid's young and he just starts and he starts to grow up, the fans almost adopt them. And so Ovechkin, and Semin, and Green, and Backstrom, feel like they're theirs, and they're gonna watch them grow up. So there's a deep fondness.

Kids will talk for years about the Ovechkin goals. It was the No. 1 video on YouTube for a day. I mean, that's a culture phenomenon. Number one searched video on YouTube. I mean, that's amazing. And so we had 19,000 people, it'll go into lore, it'll be there were 100,000 people who attended that game.

And we can win a Cup. That's why I just am singularly focused on that. There's this generation that's ready to be grabbed, because when you win a championship and you have immortality, that becomes your touchstone. I remember growing up in new york, 1969, we won every championship. Everyone went on the subway and went for the parades. You were just so proud to be a New Yorker. The Mets. The Jets. I was a Jets season ticket holder with my dad, all those people who are my age and stayed in New York, they're forever Jets fans, you know? They're forever Mets fans.

So winning a Cup for us would just tip us. We'd literally just get there. If we were to not make the playoffs this year, that would be bad. If we make the playoffs and we go deep into the playoffs, next year will be even bigger. And then one day, if we win a Cup, I really do think that we can say we're an equal, right?"

the caps are the only game in town for me.

and truthfully, for the past 2 years as well.

The Caps are everything I want the Redskins to be, but they will never be as long as Snyder is in charge.

Leonis has to use that approach, but yes he gets it.

Synder gets it....he is a businessman. He cares about winning...in his pockets. Synder has what...one of the top richest franchises in all of sports. Worth a billion right? Sold-out games for years to come, etc.

He is always gonna have money. Offseason signings are like extra-promotion. Its gonna sell jerseys, etc.

And to his credit, they have somehow, year after year, known how to rework the cap to the point where they are not completely hamstrung where they have to start over like you see with other teams across the league.

Until he starts losing money instead of making so much money, Snyder will continue to do what he is doing.

Because as you can see, losing and mediocrity has not hurt Snyder's pockets.

Snyder is the chump who Leonsis deals with in the type of moves that build up a franchise, lol.

>
>read this, Ted Leonsis speaking on the current situation of
>the Capitals and their bright future. It's bizarre how one
>person could understand something so well and another in the
>same town in a similar position could be so clueless.
>____________________________________________________________________
>
>"...it's a home-grown team. And I believe in this, that when a
>kid's young and he just starts and he starts to grow up, the
>fans almost adopt them. And so Ovechkin, and Semin, and Green,
>and Backstrom, feel like they're theirs, and they're
>gonna watch them grow up. So there's a deep fondness.
>
>Kids will talk for years about the Ovechkin goals. It was the
>No. 1 video on YouTube for a day. I mean, that's a
>culture phenomenon. Number one searched video on YouTube. I
>mean, that's amazing. And so we had 19,000 people, it'll go
>into lore, it'll be there were 100,000 people who attended
>that game.
>
>And we can win a Cup. That's why I just am singularly focused
>on that. There's this generation that's ready to be grabbed,
>because when you win a championship and you have immortality,
>that becomes your touchstone. I remember growing up in new
>york, 1969, we won every championship. Everyone went on the
>subway and went for the parades. You were just so proud to be
>a New Yorker. The Mets. The Jets. I was a Jets season ticket
>holder with my dad, all those people who are my age and
>stayed in New York, they're forever Jets fans, you know?
>They're forever Mets fans.
>
>So winning a Cup for us would just tip us. We'd literally just
>get there. If we were to not make the playoffs this year, that
>would be bad. If we make the playoffs and we go deep into the
>playoffs, next year will be even bigger. And then one day, if
>we win a Cup, I really do think that we can say we're an
>equal, right?"

anything could happen.

- Haynesworth good move, but way overpaid. He's known to be lazy and tough to motivate, remember this is the same dude that 2 seasons ago stomped on a kats face with his helmet off. TWICE We overpaid too much.

- Hall i like this move at the end of last year he was our best corner and having him back will help solidify what Greg blatche is trying to do. Hopefully now Shawn Springs will move to safety and then get cut next year so Horton can take that spot.

- Dockery is a move that we need to make happen, throw a 10 mill bonus at him and 2.5 a year and call it a day. Get rid of Pete Kendall and draft a good young lineman.

- Trade out of the 13 and get a lower first rounder and a 2nd rounder. This could help us tremendously.

is a fuckin beast man. Y'all might be a dominant enough on D to win games like Tennessee did this past season. No one in the division can claim their happy to see the racists get this dude..


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Right in front of everyone's eyes.

>is a fuckin beast man. Y'all might be a dominant enough on D
>to win games like Tennessee did this past season. No one in
>the division can claim their happy to see the racists get this
>dude..
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Stubblefield, not so much...

Funny thing is Stubblefield came off of a Defensive MVP award winning season, just like Haynesworth. That's too ironic. Let's hope it's just coincidence, but you would think they would have learned their lesson. It wasn't THAT long ago.


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my thoughts,

peace.

It saves 6 mil against the cap, I imagine there will probably be one more releasing to free up more cap space for all the bammas we just signed,and we're still trying to sign Dockery

I'll be excited if we bring him back cheaper.

They're saying that he and marcus Washington, are headed to New orleans to be with Greg Williams anyway so we're not getting him back.

I'm just sayin, he's a good, talented guy. For the right price.

When on the field. Not at that price tag and not at playing only playing 68% of the time.

but you're right he's a good player that many teams would be lucky to have.

I know it won't happen since he restructered but it's wishful thinking.

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for me at least.

then again, as soon as we cut ARE Vinny would proably just turn around and use our highest draft pick on a receiver

if we had a decent 2nd (or 1st) WR, ARE would be excellent in the slot.

It's not his fault he's playing out of position.

I'm indifferent about the move. We'll see if he/the team can stay healthy. Hopefully he'll be able to make an impact.

I liked Spring but that bamma has been stealing money for a minute. For all his working out he does in Arizona, he stay getting hurt.

Posted at 9:56 PM ET, 02/27/2009
Dockery Agrees to Deal with Skins

Jason La Canfora reports:

The Redskins have agreed to terms with free-agent guard Derrick Dockery. The agreement is for five years and is worth slightly less than $27 million with $8.5 million guaranteed and $11.5 million paid over the first two years, according to a league source.

How Dockery came to it the free-agent market is a bit odd.

Buffalo and Detroit had agreed to a trade Thursday with Detroit willing to pick up the rest of Dockery's 7-year, $49 million contract and to guarantee the 2009 and 2010 portions of that deal. However, the Bills failed to file the necessary paperwork with the NFL Management Council by the 4 p.m. dealine, according to a league source, and, rather than pay Dockery $4.5 million for this year, the Bills allowed him to become a free agent.

The Lions were still willing to pick up the remainder of the deal with the two guaranteed years and Dockery, who spent today in Detroit, was close to accepting their deal. However, tonight he decided to take the Skins' deal, which will pay im $3.5 million less over the duraton of the deal.

Oddly, because of the way the Skins deal is structured, he'll make more in '09 and '10 than he would have in Detroit. With this new deal, Dockery will have pocketed $27 million in guaranteed money over three years, making him among the highest-paid linemen in the league over that span.
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"To Each His Reach"
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I was disappointed when he walked.

So let's break this down:

We traded away a 2nd a 6th and $8 million in cash for a one year rental that got us a total of 3 sacks?

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see ya.

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Release_Taylor_32597.jsp

Hopefully Chris Wilson will sees more time and Rob Jackson breaks out of his shell.

Carter should have a good year with Haynesworth getting doubles. That is if Haynesworth just doesn't cash in and check out.

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he was our best dlineman last year

I'm just wondering how long it will take for Dan Snyder to get it?

1. Look at what the Patriots and Steelers do.

2. Look at what we do.

3. Do what they do.

4. STOP DOING THE SAME STUPID THINGS OVER AND OVER EXPECTING IT TO WORK THIS TIME!!

I try not to use all caps, but dude has me heated big time.

EVER.

agree to participate in the offseason workout.

Are you kidding me? Just.......smh

if they really wanted to keep him they'd waive that clause.

he just got cut, IMO. this team can't pay him another $8.5M this year

the team out at this point. I just really wanted a vet beside Moss to spread the field of play.

Now if he realizes that potential is an entirely different animal

unless they're role players/back ups for $1-3M per year.

the only drawback is that the Skins wasted draft picks on him. But given Cerrato's drafting record last year, maybe thats a good thing? ha!

but he played out of position, the opposite end position, and he couldn't stop the run. he's old and injured. Blatche never wanted him to begin with and didn't get along with him.

Snyder knew he wouldn't agree and decided to let him go.

its a good move on the Skins part.

smh.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/78100/gmailCerrato.jpg

...

in the BLVD cap center shopping plaza or whatever it's called.

SEVEN people got shot, one died.

damn PG is wild.

And it's one of the worst restaurants/lounges I've ever been in.

It's as big as my living room, the food isn't good, and the DJs are often annoying. I hate that place.

Sorry Smuts:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/49ers_to_sign_evans.html


Versatile defensive lineman Demetric Evans, a key contributor to the Redskins for five seasons, has agreed to terms with the 49ers, a league source said late tonight.

San Francisco was the first stop on Evans's free-agent tour, and the sides quickly reached a deal. Contract terms were not immediately available.

The Redskins didn't extend a contract offer to Evans, 29, despite his strong play in 2008 in a larger role than he had during his first four seasons with the team. With Pro Bowl defensive end Jason Taylor, acquired in training camp last July, injured and ineffective, Evans started 11 games and had a personal-best 3 ½ sacks.

Washington released Taylor on Monday, and with Evans apparently having moved on as well, the team lacks experience and depth at end. Right end Andre Carter is the only player with experience at the position on the roster.

Respected in the locker room for his ability to fill in everywhere along the defensive line, Evans was productive at end and when he moved to the interior as a tackle on third down.

for $2M a season we should have kept him.

We now have 1 DE on the roster worth a damn.

Some more out of the cap.

This was a big mistake, well we now know they're taking Orakpo.

cause if the dude pans out then we got him for a minute at a position we're always going to need filled..

but it is a shame to see Evans walk

but we've left ourselves no other option now.

If someone decides he's better than the 13th pick we're fucked.

Evans would've been great to keep, we dont' know how Daniels will be when and if he comes back.

Draft day not looking good

I can't see it.

But we'll see if it stays there, folks have needs, and free agency helped some folks, so he might still be around, but you're right it's a slim chance.

We can get by with a scrub at DE.

If we go yet another year without adding real youth & talent to the OL we're -really- fucked.

We could've had a better than scrub for 2 mil a year, yet we let him run to San Fran.

We're not that smart.

If ole boy from Alabama slips to 13 that'd be a godsend, I just dont' see that happening.

>If ole boy from Alabama slips to 13 that'd be a godsend, I
>just dont' see that happening.

he is the last thing the Skins need. another so-called talent with attitude and lapses in judgement.

good for him. Makes sense

Pats love those guys.

Woulda loved to have him back, but I'm just happy he's out of the division, and conference.

Anyone care?
Not I.

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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/renaldo_wynn_agrees_to_terms_w.html

Wynn Agrees to Terms

Veteran defensive lineman Renaldo Wynn has agreed to terms on a one-year deal according to a league source. The Redskins have been interested in him for a while, and Wynn was a team leader prior to being cut before the 2007 season. Since then he's played with the Saints and the Giants.

He provides a wealth of wisdom to a group of defensive ends that is pretty young overall, and he might end up reunited with his good friend, DE Phillip Daniels, as the Redskins hope to re-sign him to a cap friendly deal as well.

Wynn played in spot situations for the Giants, who boast the deepest line in the league, but here he joins Andre Carter as the only DE with any real NFL experience. Wynn is a run stuffer and solid technical player, but at this stage of his career is not going to provide much burst.

He is as popular as any player to come through this locker room this decade, and will be welcomed back by offensive and defensive players alike. With defensive line coach John Palermo struggling to adjust to the NFL game last year, according to numerous team sources, after a career in college, Wynn's age and expertise should be a bonus in that regard as well.

The deal may not end up becoming official until next week, according to the source, with Wynn expected to join Washington's offseason workout program at that point. He spends offseasons in Las Vegas, but also has a home in this area from his playing days here.

we're weak at both OLB positions and our only good linebacker is 34. Also we'll be starting Wynn or a scrub at LDE.

And I'm taking for granted that Carlos will still be here. If not we'll have Smoot at #2 CB and nobody at #3.

Even if we draft a DE or LB, that means we go into the season with the same old ass line from last year.

>And I'm taking for granted that Carlos will still be here. If
>not we'll have Smoot at #2 CB and nobody at #3.

The secondary with Rogers, Smoot, Hall, and Tryon is not that bad.

Either way, he's gone after this year.

I look at half the positions on the roster and I think, "we should draft for the future here", then I remember that every year we have 4 draft picks and three of them are in the 6-7th rounds.

I vote one of the big four OTs.

If not, then one of the OLBs.

just take the studdest one of either position when it's our turn.

or, draft Sanchez like Cerrato actually appears to considering

>I vote one of the big four OTs.

I agree.

we need to finagle something to get a 2nd rounder, because this is a deep draft, there are folks who could make a difference for us.

too bad we mortgage all of our draft picks

Maaaan, these fools...

I mean, this monkey shit is old.
Really old.

It hasn't happened yet, but...

And now there are whispers that...

All we can do is sit back, watch, and laugh.

>All we can do is sit back, watch, and laugh.

Crack a beer, throw on the $6 Skip Hicks jersey circa 1995, and hope the fellas win.

...

but our hot pursuit that Danny's as much of a fuck up as he's ever been.

Hmmmm

two first, a third and a player.

So Leftwich worked out Friday, which would obviously open up a significant amount of money in dropping Todd Collins.

I like this idea, and he's definitely a credible backup

somebody shoot me, please.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009-nfl-draft/more-on-orakpo-and-sanchez.html


Orakpo, Sanchez Scenarios, Updates

I continue to hear that the Skins' primary focus is to move up to draft USC quarterback Mark Sanchez; however, if they do not and if Brian Orakpo is untaken at 13, he would be a frontrunner for them. (That is assuming Sanchez were off the board.) Moving up for Sanchez will likely require that the Redskins move to the third or fourth spot. Both Kansas City and Seattle are amenable to dealing down, according to sources. The New York Jets, who pick at 17, are the other team highly motivated to move up and get Sanchez.

Several sources have suggested the Redskins have begun to send out feelers on what it might take to get Seattle's pick, and the Seahawks, at this stage, would likely seek two first-round picks on the high end. That was a price the Redskins were willing to pay for Chad Johnson last year and Jay Cutler a few weeks back, although neither deal was completed.

If the market for those picks were to dry up and with not too many teams pushing to move into the top five, perhaps a first- and second-, or first- and third-round pick would get it done as the draft gets closer. I wouldn't expect any trade of this type to come down until 12-to-24 hours before the draft at the earliest. The Redskins could also peddle Jason Campbell in one of these trade scenarios, though K.C. and Seattle might not be interested. One thing that might work in the Skins' favor as well, several NFL sources pointed out, is that the bad blood between K.C.'s new boss, Scott Pioli, and the Jets might make it harder for those teams to get a deal done. Also, it's going to take more to move up from 17 than from 13.

If they move up to draft Sanchez that just might do it for me.

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I'll always watch & root, but I have no faith in the franchise itself.

You know I'll still watch the R*dskins. I'll just have to accept the fact we are perennial 8-8/7-9 team.

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nm

Not like Santana's great, but without him on the field teams wouldn't even need to put a secondary out there.

This year we have massive holes at LDE, SLB, and our only good linebacker is 34.

We are begging for a couple bad injuries and a 3-13 season.

i'm not sold on Zorn as a coordinator, let alone as a head coach.

i don't think the team is either.

he could very well lose the team within the 1st couple of games to the point they quit on him.

>Not like Santana's great, but without him on the field teams
>wouldn't even need to put a secondary out there.
>
>This year we have massive holes at LDE, SLB, and our only good
>linebacker is 34.
>
>We are begging for a couple bad injuries and a 3-13 season.
>
>

I'm not sold on Zorn at all either.

All in all he had a bad year last year. And he came in with no resume to speak of.

i mean, i'm not sure where Zorn stands in all of this Culter, and now Sanchez talks.

Jason said Zorn is all for him, but it seemed it was managment who was all about the Culter trade.

So, if Zorn is the head coach AND o. coordinator, why isn't he in the loop if he feels Jason is his QB. he is basically a lame duck.



>I'm not sold on Zorn at all either.
>
>All in all he had a bad year last year. And he came in with no
>resume to speak of.

I don't think any coach can win here.

Zorn has a lot on his plate. I think he is a good dude, but it would have been best if he stayed the coordinator. Its too much on his plate, plus he has deal with the whole Synder Cerrato soap opera.

I think Snyderrato made a rash decision (surprise!) to hire Zorn. They saw young up and coming coaches do well on other teams, so they decided to play the lottery and see if they could hit. Unfortunately they did it with someone who had no resume whatsoever.

In the meantime, if Zorn struggles their plan is to be ready to fire him at a moment’s notice and try to lure Shanahan or Cowher to DC for $10M a year.

It might work just b/c money talks. But Shanahan and Cowher would be misreable having to take personnel orders from little boy Danny.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/29159-dumb-and-dumber-vinny-and-dan.html

http://dcprosportsreport.com/vinnydan.jpg

...

I'll believe Danny is really a cowboys fan who is hell beant on ruining the team.

There are glaring holes on both lines and linebacker yet you're going to mortgage this years draft and next years draft on a Junior qb?

We're getting old all over the field yet we're throwing picks away like pennies.

WE're the worst front office in the league

Who knows why, but they're talking about moving up to 5th to get him.

They need to gone head stay where they are, pray that Orakpo falls to them, or just get ole boy from Alabama.

Build teams from the inside out, and wins Chips!!!

nm

like a team that has no direction, no football acumen and no real idea of how to run a franchise.

Amazingly the 2 money maker's in the division (Was & Dall) are in the midst of ruining their teams while the lower end squads (NYG & Philly) are constantly winning.

2 entirely different approaches yet 1 way seems to always be either the Division champ or in NYG's case win it all.

We lose.

>like a team that has no direction, no football acumen and no
>real idea of how to run a franchise.
>
>Amazingly the 2 money maker's in the division (Was & Dall) are
>in the midst of ruining their teams while the lower end squads
>(NYG & Philly) are constantly winning.
>
>2 entirely different approaches yet 1 way seems to always be
>either the Division champ or in NYG's case win it all.
>
>We lose.

...and Jerry has hired competent and proven coaches in J. Johnson, Parcells, and even W. Phillips (one of the better defensive minds in the game and, while not a great coach, has a winning record)

Jerry can evaluate talent, he knows football, and the Cowboys have drafted well.

problem is Jerry micromanages too much and drives out good people in the process and then f*cks up his good work by making questionable free agent acquisitions in Pac-Man, Tank,and TO.

Jerry can't get out of his own way, while otherwise, he has football acumen and is a worthy owner not just in the business sense.

Snyder has no clue on how to run football, knows nothing about the game, nor how to evaluate talent, etc. Has an unproven head coach, poor draft record and horrendous free agent signings.

Snyder is bad, plain and simple, I can't and won't defend him in anyway.

All the good you said about Jerry Jones has been negated by all the bad you said. He ran Jimmy Johnson outta Dallas because he wanted to more input into the team.

He makes all the decisions on that team and that's the problem, the owner's job is to hire people to take care of your team and keep you winning. Instead he sabotages everything good he does.

The cowboys draft well yet every year end up at home with the skins watchin them playoffs. So in reality all that means nothing.

>Snyder is bad, plain and simple, I can't and won't defend him
>in anyway.
>
>All the good you said about Jerry Jones has been negated by
>all the bad you said. He ran Jimmy Johnson outta Dallas
>because he wanted to more input into the team.
>
>He makes all the decisions on that team and that's the
>problem, the owner's job is to hire people to take care of
>your team and keep you winning. Instead he sabotages
>everything good he does.
>
>The cowboys draft well yet every year end up at home with the
>skins watchin them playoffs. So in reality all that means
>nothing.

But everything is in place there. that is the difference. They have a better chance of correcting what they need to correct (which isn't much) than the Skins. The Cowboys are what the Giants were before they won the Super Bowl, a bunch of divas with loads of talent, but just couldn't get it right until they turned the corner.

there is nothing in place in Washington. there are holes everywhere. a minor tweaking isn't what is needed. it needs a total upheaval.

last year, they finished with #4 D in the league, they just added a very nice interior lineman.

On the D side of the ball they need a stron side backer and they need a D End. Other than that I can rock with what we got real well.

O side - We need an upgrade at offensive line, we need that. That will make the other aspects of our team seem a lot less poor.

Our qb if he's even still here by the time the season rolls around will be better this year, CP still got two or 3 productive years left in him.

Cooley is top 2 in the NFC.

Granted we don't have a true #1 receiver but we'll see how the young bucks work out.

We're not nearly as far as you'd like to think, but true we're not there yet.

and trade J. Campbell for more picks. Thoughts?

LOL

I might just fall back on this team for a few years if this happens and then just bandwagon somebody who's like a B level team with promise in like 2012 like the Jets or something.

And that includes Deion Sanders and the hiring of Steve Spurrier

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/23/AR2009042304673.html

If the Washington Redskins select Southern California quarterback Mark Sanchez in tomorrow's NFL draft, starting quarterback Jason Campbell will request to be traded, NFL sources said last night.

Campbell, whom the team has tried to replace this offseason, has publicly taken the high road throughout Washington's pursuit of other players to potentially take his job, saying he is focused on leading the Redskins in the upcoming season. The presence of another young, starting-caliber quarterback such as Sanchez on Washington's roster, however, would spur Campbell's representative, Joel Segal, to contact the team in an effort to find a better situation for the four-year veteran, league sources said.

The Redskins were unaware of Campbell's potential trade demand, said Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations. "We've heard nothing," Cerrato said. "Zero."

The Redskins, despite appearing to have more pressing concerns along the offensive and defensive lines and at linebacker, are among many teams interested in acquiring Sanchez with their top pick in the two-day draft, league sources said. Earlier this month, Washington failed in its pursuit of Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, who was traded to the Chicago Bears.

In addition to Washington's trade talks with Denver, a high-ranking Redskins official contacted another NFL team about the possibility of trading Campbell, who has been the starter the past 2 1/2 seasons, for a second-round pick in the upcoming draft, a league source said. The Redskins deny they inquired about trading Campbell.


The Redskins hold the 13th overall selection in the draft. They have only five picks, none in the second or fourth rounds.

Sanchez -- in part because of his charisma and commanding presence -- made a favorable impression on owner Daniel Snyder, NFL sources said, during his visit with the team last week, and other teams also have Sanchez listed high on their draft boards, so the Redskins might have to trade into the top three to pick him.

In an interview Tuesday night, Campbell addressed his standing on the team, Washington's interest in other quarterbacks and the most difficult offseason of his career.

"Out of 32 teams in the league, it seems like he's going to 28 of 'em," Campbell said of Sanchez. "If that's what they want to do, if they want to draft him and bring him in here, then that's what they're going to do. But that's not going to scare me one way or another. I'm not going to let that stop me from putting in the work I need to so I can be ready for the guys that depend on me.

"I know in my heart I'm a good quarterback, and I'm trying my best every day to become a great quarterback for my coaches and my teammates. I'm trying to do everything I need to do to lead my team week in and week out, to just help us win, and that's really my focus. But, yeah, you know what's out there."

Snyder pushed to complete a trade for Cutler in an attempt to finally solve the team's decades-long pursuit of a franchise quarterback, league sources said, believing poor quarterback play was among the main reasons for Washington's 2-6 second-half collapse after a 6-2 start last season. The Broncos instead accepted the Bears' offer.

The day after the Redskins lost Cutler to Chicago, Snyder, Cerrato, Coach Jim Zorn and Campbell participated in a closed-door meeting at Redskins Park. The Redskins released a statement of support for Campbell, indicating the team was moving forward with him, and Zorn reiterated on Wednesday that Campbell's status had not changed while addressing reporters during the team's pre-draft news conference.

Campbell trusts Zorn and believes he will be the starter "until I'm shown otherwise," he said Tuesday. "We all met and had that conversation after the Cutler thing, and truth be told, this has been the biggest whirlwind offseason that I've ever been in. The only thing that makes you a little through all of it is that it makes you look like you're not a good quarterback and you're not wanted. To any competitor that's hard. When your team tries to trade for another quarterback, and now all this stuff about Sanchez, it's a tough league and a tough business.

"You know, that's just the way it is. At the same time, I just don't like it when you see so much about trying to get a quarterback. I don't think anybody would like to see that about your job. It just makes you feel like people have thrown you out there like you're just a bad quarterback. You just have to remember that it's all part of the process sometimes. I don't get my head down and I don't get discouraged, even though some people want you to get discouraged."

Even if the Redskins determine a change at quarterback after the draft would give them the best chance to improve, Campbell would continue to push himself to reach the highest level he could, he said. "You've got to stay positive in everything you do no matter the situation. The way you carry yourself has to be positive no matter what.

"And when the tables turn, when you do have that big season, and when you do have those great playoff games, you can look back on it and appreciate how it all helped you get to that point. It could all be part of helping you become that type of player you want to be. And maybe you can help another young guy one day when he's going through the same thing."

Redskins Note: Punter Hunter Smith has agreed to terms to join the Redskins, a league source said last night.

The Redskins hope that Smith, a 10-year veteran of the Indianapolis Colts, will help them address their poor performance on special teams last season. Smith, who has never missed a game in his career, had a net average of 38.8 yards per punt last season.

although I do think this is more his agent talking than him.

Either way, JC should be excited to get out of DC. Go to a decent coach who utilizes his strengths and makes him into a solid QB.

Or he could stay in DC, change schemes every 2 years, and play behind a 40 year old offensive line.

See what kills me is JC is being made out to be the problem with the Redskins. If you consider him a problem (which I don't) he wouldn't even be top 10 when making a list.

JC may not be an All-Pro QB or be knocking on the door of the HOF when his career's offer but he's a solid QB. There has been rumors that the Rams and Vikings are interested in him. If he went to the Vikings they're a playoff lock with that line.

When we draft Sanchez (because you know it's going to happen) the Redskins might need to find a place to play next season because I might burn Fed/Ex down.


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Zorn - unproven and in over his head as a head coach, unproven and in over his head as a offensive coordinator

Cerrato - poor drafting of WR's and TE, in supplying weapons other than Cooley and Moss as WR's, poor addressing of depth on the OL

Synder - nuff said


Campbell could be the solution, but has no chance. The is the LAST place to develop young talent at the QB position.

you need the opportuinity to succeed or fail.

Jason has neither. And thats where he is right now. He hasn't been bad, but he hasn't been good either.

Let's say the Skins draft Sanchez. He has less than a full college season of starts, no? So their is a learning curve. On top of that, he didn't run the west-coast offense at USC. So we got another "year or 2" to learn the offense.

Cutler i could see. He had experience.

Sanchez? a joke.

>See what kills me is JC is being made out to be the problem
>with the Redskins. If you consider him a problem (which I
>don't) he wouldn't even be top 10 when making a list.
>
>JC may not be an All-Pro QB or be knocking on the door of the
>HOF when his career's offer but he's a solid QB. There has
>been rumors that the Rams and Vikings are interested in him.
>If he went to the Vikings they're a playoff lock with that
>line.
>
>When we draft Sanchez (because you know it's going to happen)
>the Redskins might need to find a place to play next season
>because I might burn Fed/Ex down.
>
>
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>Cerrato - poor drafting of WR's and TE, in supplying weapons
>other than Cooley and Moss as WR's, poor addressing of depth
>on the OL
>
>Synder - nuff said

I think Zorn wants to keep him.

imagine being a part of that mess knowing that your opinion as a leader doesn't mean dick. Not only are you already overwhelmed, what little chances you can get to boost your confidence are completely withheld from you by people who know less about football than you do.

the problem is that I don't see Cowher coming in here and taking orders from Dipshit Danny.

And I agree that Cowher won't come here and be hamstrung by ownership that doesn't know how to build a team.

in Pittsburgh he had a great front office.

just look at the collection of talented players he coached over the years.

and once he left that continued.

Cowher doing what Gibbs did here? i don't know.


remember, Gibbs was a hall of fame coach. but his talent evaluation wasn't the best. he had bobby beathard.

so Cowher coming in here, may not be the quick fix either.

only guy that could make it work here is Parcells or Bellichik and to a lesser extent Andy Reid. because they can do both.

there was talk of Shananhan possibly coming here. But the fact that he couldn't do both is why he got fired in Denver.

>And I agree that Cowher won't come here and be hamstrung by
>ownership that doesn't know how to build a team.

>Zorn - unproven and in over his head as a head coach,
>unproven and in over his head as a offensive coordinator
>
>Cerrato - poor drafting of WR's and TE, in supplying weapons
>other than Cooley and Moss as WR's, poor addressing of depth
>on the OL
>
>Synder - nuff said
>
>
>Campbell could be the solution, but has no chance. The is the
>LAST place to develop young talent at the QB position.
>
>you need the opportuinity to succeed or fail.
>
>Jason has neither. And thats where he is right now. He hasn't
>been bad, but he hasn't been good either.
>
>Let's say the Skins draft Sanchez. He has less than a full
>college season of starts, no? So their is a learning curve. On
>top of that, he didn't run the west-coast offense at USC. So
>we got another "year or 2" to learn the offense.
>
>Cutler i could see. He had experience.
>
>Sanchez? a joke.
>

Man, you hit it on the head. I didn't want Cutler but he would be a better option than Sanchez. What I find amazing is that Denver wanted Orton over JC.

I don't get the love affair with Sanchez. I really don't. How many great games did he have at USC. Not only that, how many games did he start? Throw on top of that the sucess rate of junior QBs entering the NFL.

Like I said, until things change - we're an 8-8, 7-9 team,

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don't get me wrong we don't need him, but he's gotten nothing but really positive reviews the last few months from all his workouts and his professionalism and demeanor have been touted a great deal as well.

Auburn about to get the short end of the stick again vs. Southern Cal. lol

>Auburn about to get the short end of the stick again vs.
>Southern Cal. lol
>
>
>

In the playoffs sinec we're about to get rid of our QB, not draft the line help we desperately need, and completely ignore our strong side linebacker issues.

YAHHH!!!!

If they draft Sanchez they're only going to solidify in my mind that they're happy being a perennial 8-8 or 7-9 team.


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As a long as the Redskins are making money, Snyder aint going to change.

This is a guaranteed money.

you take a risk and try and build and develop a healthy and productive franchise, that takes years to occur, and there is no guarentee in that.

and in the process you may lose fans and money (look at the Nationals).

until his pockets get hurt, he is not changing a damn thing.

>If they draft Sanchez they're only going to solidify in my
>mind that they're happy being a perennial 8-8 or 7-9 team.
>
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...

They got lucky he fell to 13. We've needed a speed rusher for ages, he's the right pick here.

Now if we just hadn't said all that dumb ish about Sanchez...

but Orakpo is ok.

On a real lineman prospect, not just picking up kats from around the way from UMD.

Our line will let us down again, it's amazing we'll probably lose 8 games by 4 points or less.

CP gets a big injury this year and all the wheels fall off.

Skins Sign Chase Daniel, Maryland Lineman

The Skins signed undrafted quarterback Chase Daniel tonight, according to league sources. Daniel, who starred at Missouri, agreed to terms on a two-year deal and will participate in minicamp next weekend. The Redskins have also signed Maryland center/guard Edwin Williams and will announce a full list of free agent signings tomorrow.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009-nfl-draft/skins-sign-chase-daniel.html


Skins quarterback coach Chris Meidt began regularly contacting Daniel at the scouting combine and Coach Jim Zorn has also contacted Daniel by phone. Meidt repeatedly praised Daniel's passing and he will be one of four QBs in Skins' camp. Daniel's limited size, and the fact he operated in a spread offense that differs from most NFL systems worked against him in the draft, but he is a player the Skins were focusing on, according to sources.

New Orleans and Buffalo were also pursuing Daniel. With Jason Campbell, Todd Collins and Colt Brennan all under contract, the Skins have more passers than they will carry in the regular season. Brennan has earned high marks during his development and Zorn and executive VP Vinny Cerrato have repeatedly said Campbell will be the starter. Perhaps Brennan could unseat Collins for the backup role - the Skins considered signing free agent Byron Leftwich in that role a few weeks back. That would open up a space for Daniel; otherwise he would have to beat out Brennan, a 2008 draft pick, for the third QB spot.

The Skins gave Daniel a modest signing bonus as part of the deal, according to a league source.


Robert Agnone TE Delaware
Scott Burley OL Maryland
Chase Daniel QB Missouri
Antonio Dixon DT Miami (Fla.)
Doug Dutch CB Michigan
Devin Frischknecht TE Washington State
John Halman WR Concordia
Brigham Harwell DT UCLA
Lendy Holmes S Oklahoma
Ronnie Palmer LB Arizona
Derek Walker DE Illinois
Edwin Williams OL Maryland
Jaison Williams WR Oregon



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plain and simple

What's that now five Tight ends? Wtf? They'd trade Cooley on some dumb shit too watch, like Edgedrrin James or something completely nonsensical.

hope he can play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGwFCMPO29s

...we at least eke out 2 Ws thanks entirely to that guy.

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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/holmgren-on-campbell-have-some.html

"The thing is you have to have some patience. He's a young guy. And he may come in soon and shock everybody. Look at the young quarterback in Baltimore Flacco, he's not being asked to do the same things as Campbell. He's not throwing the ball as much as Jason. If you're in the West Coast offense, you're going to be asked to do a lot more."

JC and Zorn are in the same boat where, for the most part, the future of their professional careers pretty much much depends upon the results of this next year. I find both to be immensely likeable, to the point that it pains me to watch them fail. But the truth is, thus far they've both underperformed immensely.

Campbell's defenders love to say that we've got a guy who has had several OCs and people in his ear and never really had the chance to get his bearings and familiarize himself with a system. Still, I wonder if it's gotten cliche to rely upon that as an excuse. I personally have never seen an instant where he took over with what he had, where he compensated for his lack of system knowledge or at times over-indulgent touch by just commanding his team's attention and making something happen with what he had in front of him. I thought it was finally going to happen in Baltimore, when we managed to only be down a TD there towards the end out of nowhere. But alas, the JC-led rally never materialized and neither did the win that would have likely reenergized the team and provided them with the fuel to make a playoff push. And STILL, I remain unusually optimistic about him, attributed wholly to his character he's displayed; his professionalism through the Cutler and Sanchez stuff, his vocal commitment to JZ and his playcalling, the instances where he (mostly unnecessarily) took the blame for the pitiful Ls last season. I can't recall having ever wanted an athlete to succeed so much, but the clock is ticking.

Zorn is in a similar position, albeit with even more at stake. Campbell could get a backup job elsewhere or, even better, end up on a bad team with a dim future and compete for another starting job. But Zorn, should he fail this season, will likely never even get another shot at OC, much less head coach. Hell, he was a QB coach before last year and his QB thus far has underperformed too so I'm not even sure going back to that role is a lock. What can I say that hasn't already been said about him and his playcalling? No need to maul the horse even further, we all know he fell apart and seemed overwhelmed. And it's quite obvious by now that even Harry and Lloyd themselves, Dan and Vinny, are anxiously anticipating his collapse. And still, like Campbell, I appreciate honesty and humility so much. His candor is refreshing, and at times even pitiful. In regards to his football psyche I haven't lost hope either. Perhaps I'm a naive homer but, boy, those Dallas and Philly road wins were probably the most encouraging Skins Ws I had seen from this team in a long time. Clearly at some point he had a grip on how this pro football thing works. But he floundered when he needed to get even bolder with his gameplans, and that's irrefutable. When we had the talent and the playbook to demolish the Lions and Browns we instead regressed to Gibbs pt.2 ball and eked out unimpressive wins, while also managing to lose to the godawful Rams.

And so here we are, with all eyes on the quirky West Coast leader and the player who very well could be his last pet project. There's no "learning curve" excuses left, no "wait and see" crutches to lean on, no remaining patience to allow an 8-8 middle of the road season. There is only two results possible for the pair to produce next year. Either they do what everyone expects and fold, limping to a record somewhere in between three and six wins, or they rise to the challenge and show and prove, locking up a playoff birth before the final minutes of the 4th quarter in week 16 or even winning the division in what is shaping up to be one of the lesser seasons for the typically monstrous NFC East. If I had to bet, I'd safely place my money on the former. After all, their own bosses don't even really want them to succeed. But there's still a chance these men thrive by leaning on each other, because there is simply no one else they can depend on to make this team successful. Zorn needs Campbell and Campbell needs Zorn. How desperately they realize this codependency remains to be seen.

Well, Campbell has had some impressive drives and games. On more than one occasion he's had late-game drives where he scrambled for first downs (some on 4th down), including one I believe where he ran in a TD to get a lead, only to have the defense give up a TD immediately after, making everyone forget about JC's TD drive.

JC's had a lot of coordinators, but the other thing to remember is that our o-line was in the bottom half of the league in pass blocking in '08 (AT BEST), and the WRs are among the 10 worst corps in the league, if not worse. I mean, 5'9" Santana as a #1? ARE as the #2 and JAMES THRASH as the #3? cmon. Quite literally, James Thrash doesn't belong on an NFL roster at this point, let alone being in a team's TOP THREE.

Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco, everyone's favorite golden boys, don't do sh-t with our passing personnel. Guarantee.

Look, JC has flaws. He has things he obviously needs to improve dramatically. And he's certainly not HOF bound. But he's young, he's shown promise, he's got a great attitude, he's got a good arm, and he's got good pocket presence. Guys like that don't grow on trees, and I question the sanity of all the Redskins fans who want to dump JC now, and move on to the next project.

In my mind it's inconceivable that we've seen enough of JC (in the right situation) to know that it's time to cut him loose right now. (12 months from now might be a different story...)

As for Zorn, I like his attitude, but that's about all I'm confident in. He was promoted way before his time, and it showed last year. I like the guy as a person, but I don't think he had any business getting a HC gig, and it showed as the season went on.

B/C he's already in place, I'd give him another year. But nothing beyond that. We probably didn't catch lightening in a bottle with him, so it's time to get a better candidate in, with a better pedigree. (And preferably not a WCO guy)

But as with all things R*dskins, I don't expect JC to be given the time or talent he needs, nor do I expect Snyderrato to make a shrewd HC hire.

Next year it's as likely to be Brett Favre and some dipshit like Jim Mora Jr as it is to be JC or a decent head coach.

and my biggest nightmare is that next year he finally beasts out and then hits the road, which in my opinion he has every right to do should such a circumstance happen.

and you're right about the receivers, especially Thrash. O-Line as well.

I think that my personal gripe with him is his lack of displayed fire. I mean I look at a guy like Pennington who, skill set wise, is a lesser player than Jason Campbell. But he makes up for it by his leadership. I mean is it just me dude? Is that an illegitimate gripe to have about a QB? Maybe he leads by those sort of plays you mentioned rather than by being animated and vocal. I'll say this, I think it was the Steelers game where he ran like a 12 yard draw when it was already apparent the Skins were way over matched. I heard later in the week he called that play and that Zorn had sent something else in but that Campbell changed the call to run himself up the middle. So you gotta take your hat off to that.

weak arm, not enough fire, and not nearly talented enough. Yet He's still around and still gaining guys respect.

Jason may not be ranting and raving on the sidelines which I personall think is a good thing. We have way too many primadonnas as is. We have exactly what we need, a steady guy who doesn't buy into the bullshit.

All the guys on the team believe in him, and that should be more than enough. People said the same thing about Eli, but Eli got a ring now. If we give Jason that type of O-line and D-line i'm pretty sure jC could do the same.

I think we just have to wait and see what we have here.

Jason does have that glazed look during games, but who knows what goes on during practice or said in the huddle. a lot of "rah rah" guys get tuned out at the NFL level anyway.

that being said, the best measure of leadership would be to get his team into the playoffs.

If Jason has a good season, then there's not much anyone can say.

So really we're all waiting to see what happens.

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Release_Long_Time_Right_Tackle_Jansen_38541.jsp


The Redskins have released veteran right tackle Jon Jansen, the team announced on Friday.

Jansen met with Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder, head coach Jim Zorn and executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato at Redskins Park on Friday morning.

“I’ve developed a close relationship with Jon and his family over the last 10 years and I have the utmost respect for him as a person and a player," Snyder said. "He has been an important part of our organization for the past decade. We wish Jon and his family the very best.”

Jansen, 33, was entering his 11th season in Washington since the team selected him in the second round of the 1999 NFL Draft. He was the longest-tenured player on the roster.

“Decisions like this are difficult, especially with someone like Jon, who has meant a great deal to our organization and community,” Cerrato said. “Jon has been a fixture at the right tackle position for the past 10 seasons.

"He is a tough football player who played through injuries and displayed a great commitment to his teammates and coaches.”

Jansen has played in 126 games in his career, with 123 starts.

He missed the 2004 season due to an Achilles injury and was sidelined most of the 2007 season after suffering a fractured ankle in the first game of the regular season.

Head coach Jim Zorn and offensive line coach Joe Bugel, who has coached Jansen since 2004, also offered comments on Jansen’s release.

“We really admire Jon and the example that he set as a team leader both on and off the field,” Zorn said. “He is a professional who was a valuable part of this franchise for a long time. Jon worked hard, laid it on the line each week and on many occasions played with injuries.

"Though we have elected to move in another direction, we appreciate Jon’s commitment, leadership and dedication to the Redskins organization.”

Added Bugel: “I had a great player-coach relationship with Jon. He is one of the toughest guys that I have ever coached. He was a great competitor who prepared well for each and every game.

"We appreciate his commitment to the Redskins and wish him the very best.”

With Jansen released, the Redskins are expected to turn to third-year lineman Stephon Heyer to start at right tackle. The team also has off-season signings Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges in the mix at right tackle as well.

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XBox 360 Live gamertag - Keystonejenks

Anyway, he already signed a 1-year deal with Detroit (so he's in his home state) and he's happy about it.

Good for him. He deserves it. (well, not the Lions per se....)

Hopefully he stays healthy in Detroit, but if not I would imagine he's a good candidate for a booth gig someday.

he's a Michigan super-hick.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/thrash-released-by-skins.html

The Redskins have released wide receiver James Thrash, who failed a physical.

"I talked with James and we agreed that this was the best way to proceed," Redskins Coach Jim Zorn said in a statement released by the team. "James can focus on getting healthy and we can move forward. James is a true Redskin and a fan favorite. He was great player, teammate and team leader. Though we had to make this decision, we are confident that James will be involved in some capacity within the Redskins organization."

Thrash came to the Redskins out of Missouri Southern (Joplin!) in 1997. His tenure with the team was interrupted only by a three-season stint in Philadelphia (2001-2003). His NFL totals: 165 games (71 starts), logged 290 receptions, 3,646 yards and 22 touchdowns.

"It has been a great honor to get to know James and his family," owner Daniel M. Snyder said in a statement released by the team. "James is a tremendous person who has been a great ambassador for the Redskins in our community. He has produced nine outstanding seasons for our team. It is our hope that he will continue a long-term relationship with our organization."

Said Vinny Cerrato, executive vice-president of football operations (also in a statement from the team): "James has been a valuable member of our team and a tremendous asset to our organization. He always put the team first and was a great role model in our locker room. We appreciate his contributions to the Redskins organization."

especially considering that the entire organization is obsessed with him.

James was a great utility player for us, and hopefully we have some young'uns who can step up.

Sorry to see him go. Personally I would rather have him than Randle El in punt return coverage because he is more likely to get more positive yards.

But also as much as I like Thrash, as long as the youngins develop like they should, we won't miss him that much.