>>>>doesn't mean a lot nowadays...maybe if the San Francisco
>>>>Giants had won a world series in their history it would
>>>>matter...but since they haven't **shrugs**
>>>>
>>>
>>>...and love to take a shot at a Giant. lol!!
>>
>>in fact I'd probably be inclined to like Barry Bonds (if he
>>didn't come across as such a cry baby a-hole for so many
>>years) because I like his father as a player (showing my
>>age...lol)...
>>
>>Willie McCovey is one of 5 favorite baseball players
>>ever.....my #1 favorite Baseball player ever was the Giants
>>manager for many years, Dusty Baker....
>>
>>don't hate the Giants at all...but I am a Dodger fan..
>>
>>I don't really hate any of my teams main rivals really...at
>>least not anymore.....Love and hate don't have to co-exist
>in
>>sports....
>>
>>>
>>>>but seriously...I'm just being honest..the excuses and
>>pleas
>>>>that are being copped for this guy are just beyond
>amazing.
>>>
>>>Its not pleas, its keeping things in perspective.
>>
>>it's pleas man....people playing the race card with a cat
>who
>>10 years ago would have cursed you out for coming at him
>with
>>some Black stuff......and saying "everyone else does it" to
>>justify or minimize the issue..
>>
>>those are pleas and excuses man...
>>
>
>Its not necessarily the race card. Last time I checked, Barry
>was on some OJ Simpson sh*t. lol!! Its not like we are talking
>about MLB's version of Jim Brown here.

exactly....not you, but others on this board have acted like Barry Bonds was Paul robeson or something....lol

dude is conveniently Black....when he's in trouble ya know...

>
>>Barry Bonds
>>>ain't the bad guy in all of this.
>>
>>yeah he is. But there are culpable elements...Major league
>>Baseball..and the players union are culpable...but Barry
>Bonds
>>is responsible for what he did..as with any grown man.
>>
>
>True.
>
>
>>How can we say he's the stand up Black man getting attacked
>by
>>the White devils, and then say that he's so weak that he is
>>not responsible for what he does....
>>
>
>Who is saying he is a stand-up Black man. I don't think
>anybody is.

stick around this post..you'll see it....lol.

He is man, who happens to be black, that speaks
>his mind and is his own person. THAT is problem for a lot of
>whites. Whether you are a pro-black panther type cat or a Theo
>Huxtable type cat?

aww Jam.....You hurt my heart brother.....What would make Theo huxtable the antithesis of being a pro-black panther??? The guys who started the Panthers were educated folks....being bright and carrying yourself with that type of dignity doesn't mean one can't be revolutionary pro-Black......

and remember Theo's character chose a career in educating young people, which is very much in line with the Black panther agenda no???

I know that it's totally off topic, and I may be a bit touchy today, but since you're someone I respect on here I feel it cool to say that....A "Theo" type isn't going to face any less challenges from a White power structure than a kid from the streets..and in fact will probably face more......So they don't need us to divide them away from being "pro-Black"

can't have it both ways man.
>>
>> HE did what everybody else
>>>did.
>>
>>and if my son came to me and used that as an excuse as to
>why
>>he got in trouble...he's going to get in extra trouble with
>>me......
>>
>
>I'm not lessoning what he did. But if you are going to attack
>him in the same vile manner, lets go after everybody.

How vile is it though Jam??? I don't see anything vile at all about how he's being treated.....the most famous player in a sport is being accused of something that is not only illegal, but also calls into question his accomplishments...

are they supposed to NOT cover the story??

are they dragging his late father, or his wife and kids through the mud??? are the going after his godfather Willie Mays as being Culpable???

The only think close to it was them reporting what his mistress said under oath....had she just said they had an affair, they wouldn't have covered it...but she said he was on roids, so that made it news.


>Everybody is fair game. Steriods, cheating was as much as part
>of the game as chewing tabacco.

Chewing tabacco is not illegal.

Let's be real. MLB knew it and
>did nothing about it, which enabled the use and really
>suggests they approved of it.

and MLB is responsible for that...I agree.

>
>
>>
>>Everybody suspects, supporters and non-supporters of
>>>Bonds,that he took *something* other than vitamins. But to
>>>pile up on him disproportionately when other players have
>>done
>>>is what the root of the problem is.
>>
>>he's being piled upon...yet he was given a pass on
>testifying
>>in front of congress??? he's being piled upon yet he is
>being
>>accused of doing something that is illegal, and he's not
>been
>>arrested, indited or anything of the sort....
>>
>>he's being piled upon????
>>
>>no way...
>>
>
>Yes he is being piled upon. Everything that is coming out is
>nothing new. Why should this be any shock.

it's enough of a shock for people to continue to deny he's on roids, or to make excuses.

and really the fact he hasn't come clean is another reason.

Its just redundant
>and reaks of an agenda.

So you're saying that folks should just forget about it...or pretend that he hasn't used roids??? It's a big story, and it's a story that's gonna get covered.

Its the same thing over and over
>again.

actually it's DIFFERENT PEOPLE saying the same thing...and since there are folks who are still defending him....since he's still denying it.....and since he's on pace to set some pretty monumental records...it's still a story in progress.

Its character assasination.

no..it's a guy getting his card pulled, and getting exposed for a truth, he continues to lie about. That happens when you cheat..and when you do things that are illegal.


The fact that he is black,
>successful, and isn't a programmed robot adds fuel to the
>fire, Warren. Come on, let's be real. You know this.


But Black people being treated differently in society is a given. That's how it works. But that doesn't change the fact that the guy was on steroids. and that steroids are illegal.


>
>>the fact that a guy who is a great player is under this
>>suspistion....and hasn't been man enough to come clean on
>what
>>he's done...is a story...it's a big story, and it deserves
>to
>>be covered...and even in the coverage..he's getting a pass
>at
>>every turn.....Don't let his cry baby act fool you about he
>>and his family being destroyed by the media...the
>facts...the
>>plain and simple facts show that to be pure and utter
>>bullsh*t
>>
>>
>
>
>Getting a pass? Warren, are you serious!? Now THAT is
>bullsh*t. What newspaper do you read and what news channels do
>you watch?

They are covering a big story...that's what the media does.

You would think Barry is Satan, from everything I
>read and hear on then news.

no..you would think he used steroids.

Its way overboard. Sure, Barry
>brought some of this on himself.
But the media is trying to
>destroy him when they know good and well that they have an
>agenda that is bigger than seeking "justice" against Bonds
>only for the simple fact that he ALLEGEDLY knew he took
>steriods.

By getting a pass...I meant that he, even though being the most recognized Baseball player in the world.....with the greatest level of suspision...was not called to testify as others were in front of congress...

so explain that....how is he getting demonized like you're saying, yet wasn't seen as being needed to testify in front of congress????