>You began this paragraph with "I don't misrepresent your
>arguments", and than do exactly that in the following 3
>sentences. At least seperate your contradictions with a
>placeholding sentence or something. Shit.

Contradictions? Oh, you mean like "Aaron Brooks makes a trillion worse decisions than Drew Bledsoe, but he's no less aware"? LOL - yeah ok.

And prove how I've misrepresented one argument of yours. Just one.

>Orbit_Established actually posts about hundreds off different
>topics, has hundreds of different opinions, on a hundred
>different things.

And somehow all those myriad different topics and opinions all boil down to racial conspiracies - funny how that works.

>Because I'm an egg that folks can't crack, however, Okay
>hoecakes like you either outright lie about what I say or
>attempt to pigeonhole me as the inflammatory race-baiter. That

You ARE an inflammatory race-baiter. That's your whole raison d'etre on here, and everyone knows it. It's what you're singularly known for, because that's all you ever fucking do.

And prove one thing where I lied about what you said.

>way you won't actually ever have to engage my points....you
>can simply dismiss them as "Orbit is racebaiting again...he's
>irrational, and I can ignore him."

Except that I DID engage your point, and said that I actually agree that there's some underlying racism in the ratings overall. But when you base your argument on Brooks' awareness you look like a reactionary idiot, particularly when you contradict your own criteria that you used to make your case.

>In the rare occastion that you do engage me(like in this
>thread) you get your ass tore to pieces. My arguments in this
>thread are 100% logical. There isn't a single grain of
>irrationality in them. Just check them.

I did check them, and I proved that you don't even stand by your own statistical criteria for "awareness." You see, for your arguments to be at all logical, they have to be consistent. Yours are not. Unless you want to make a case for Ken O'Brien being more aware than Phil Simms.

>>Now, when did I say anything about my race in regards to the
>>Tillman issue? In fact, when have I ever dropped the black
>>card except when I was directly challenged on it by
>>race-baiting idiots like you and this basaglia clown? Oh
>>that's right, I haven't; that's your thing, not mine. And as
>>everyone on here knows, you throw that shit around in every
>>fucking argument, so miss me with that bullshit.
>
>Misrepresentation.

No, misrepresentation is you saying I held onto my black card for legitimacy in the Tillman debate, when I didn't say anything about race in regards to that issue at all.

You, however, can't likewise show how I've misrepresented any of your arguments.

>I discuss race thoroughly. I discuss it on many levels, cite
>evidence, listen to both sides, and defend myself virorously,
>using logic. No holy books, no Nuwabian Moors....hell...I
>don't even use the Isis Papers.

You listen to both sides? LOL - good one.

You discuss race shallowly, cite unconvincing evidence, use contradictory logic, and defend yourself with ad hominems.

>In fact, for a "race-baiter" I actually do very little
>"race-baiting."

You actually do it in just about every post.

>I happen to think racism is a major problem, and that its
>legacy affects many corners of our society. I point them out,
>and discuss how/why racism is impacting such and such a
>situation. Its really rather innocuous. What is not innocuous
>is your inability to counter me properly.

It is a major problem, and pointing out instances and discussing how/why racism is impacting them is rather innocuous. What is not innocuous is you playing the race card for every fucking situation under the sun whether or not racism actually has anything to do with it.

So if you want to argue about how racism truly affects our society, in education, employment, housing, etc - you know, things that actually matter - then cool. If you want to discuss it as it pertains to the sports world, such as the lack of minorities in coaching and front-office positions or something that's an actual problem in sports, then fine.

But if you want to cry racism when Sammy Sosa gets booed when he's hitting .240, or Boggs getting more pub than Gwynn during a decade when he hit 20 points higher, or Brooks being considered as having low awareness because he throws the fucking ball BACKWARDS, then you just come off as a whiny self-righteous bitch.

Which of course is your right if you want to be a whiny bitch, but the problem is that crying wolf at every little bullshit situation like that makes it damn near impossible to have a serious discussion on racism.

>YOU, on the other hand, say that people have "blood of a slave
>master, heart of a cracka."
>
>Not O_E.

I only say that to white people who drop the n-word on me and blatantly disrespect YOUR ancestors by claiming he has the "blood of a slave". YOU, on the other hand, sit there grinning like an Uncle Tom and actually APPLAUD the person making those horribly inappropriate and offensive comments, and instead attack ME for taking him to task for it.

Yet you call people naive whiteboys over mundane sports disagreements. What a gutless, hypocritical phony you are.

>HIs enlistment *was* a Ramboesque machismo stunt.

Based on what? Because you say so? Whatthefuckever. Why don't you actually show *how* it was a Ramboesque machismo stunt, like him saying "I'm gonna go kick some Middle-Eastern ass" or something, not just your horribly biased and wholly unsubstantiated opinion.

>He *was* killed by his own troops.

So were about 20% of US casualties in WWII. I guess they all died meaningless deaths as well - why don't you go over to Normandy and piss on their graves too while you're at it?

>He "didn't* die ridding the world of evil.
>
>Just ask the folks in London.

Uh, he didn't die looking for WMD in Iraq, he died tracking down al qaeda forces along the Afghan/Pakistani border - you know, where the people who actually attacked us are. You're the idiot equating one with the other, not me.

Just ask the folks in London who they blame: Pat Tillman, or Tony Blair.

>I am a human being, and I actually mourn for all of our troops
>(oddly, I said this before too, but of course, it dosen't fit
>into the Straw_Orbit you've constructed, so by al means, do
>ignore).

Pissing on Tillman's grave is a rather odd way to mourn him. And the blatant cynicism of your crocodile tears for the troops is revoltingly hypocritical. Like I said, at least be honest about it like 3X instead of being such a gutless two-faced bitch.

>I also think you are a sappy, pussy-faced, backboneless bitch
>for not being able to....no...for not even TRYING to sniff out
>the obviously fishy circumstances under which he was killed,
>details THAT I FUCKING CALLED THE MINUTE HE WAS KILLED AND WAS
>LABELLED 'EVIL' and 'WICKED' FOR

Bitch please. What fishy circumstances did you call? All you said is generalizations about him not being over there fighting evil, blah blah blah - You didn't say shit about any actual details of the account of his death being fishy, you lying, craven, vagina-lipped cunt.

>-- the US government HID THE
>DETAILS FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES SO THAT FLIP FLOPPY SLUTS LIKE
>YOU COULD SAY SHIT LIKE "HE'S AN AMERICAN HERO"...."HE
>DESERVES SI SPORTSMAN OF THE YEAR"

More misrepresentations: I never said "he's an American hero", I simply said I respected what he did. And the details of his death don't change that at all; if SI had given him sportsman of the year he'd still deserve it, certainly more than the fucking Red Sox.

But self-righteous douchebags like you want to exploit the government's lies about his death so you can denigrate Tillman himself and say shit like "it was a Ramboesque machismo stunt"... "he died a meaningless death", as if he had anything to do with the cover-up sham.


>What a spineless piece of vulnerable rat shit you are, and the
>US government made a total bitch out of you. Hell, Tillman's
>FAMILY IS MORE MILITANT AND PISSED AT THE US GOVERNMENT THAN
>YOU ARE.
>
>You gullable panty bunched man slut.
>
>Ha ha.

What a self-righteous sack of dog shit you are. Who said I wasn't pissed at what the government did? I'm pissed at that just like Tillman's parents, but that reflects badly on the GOVERNMENT, not Tillman himself. And it certainly isn't gonna make me piss on his grave while feigning sorrow for him and concern for his parents and non-existant child.

You cynical two-faced shemale whore.

>>And for the millionth time Tillman
>>didn't have any children, which just goes to show that
>despite
>>your claims to the contrary, you don't give a damn about him
>>or his family and are just cynically using them to further
>>your own agenda. Pathetic. At least be honest about it like
>3X
>>and say you don't give a fuck about them, instead of being
>>such a two-faced hypocrite.
>
>*ahem*
>
>I've had/have friends stationed in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

What the fuck does that have to do with you lying about Tillman having a child?

>*THEY* didn't ask to go.

*THEY* didn't get drafted either. Nobody forced them to enlist.

>*THEY* want to take their ass home.
>
>*THEY* know they aren't fighting evil or to make the world
>safer.

Good for them.

>*I* agree with them.
>
>*I* want them to bring their asses home.

The Nobel committee will surely be nominating you for the Peace Prize, Ghandi.

>*TILLMAN* willfully went.
>
>*I* think that is a mistake.

*YOUR FRIENDS* willfully enlisted in the military.

*I* think that is a mistake if they didn't want to be deployed overseas.

>*I* called him out on it.
>
>*YOU* call my having an honest opinion "furthering my own
>agenda""

Thinking it was a mistake is fine - I've debated other people who thought that on here civilly and respected their honest opinion. However denigrating it as a Ramboesque machismo stunt, misrepresenting what he was doing there, lying about him leaving behind a child, etc. is cynically furthering your own agenda.

>*YOU* are a sappy, flip-floppy substanceless moderate bitch,

Hey, you sound exactly like Ann Coulter - good job.

>and a hoe ass nigga to boot.

*YOU* are a gutless, two-faced, intellectually dishonest, faux radical poseur.

AND a bitch ass emo-thug hoebag to boot.

>*I* am Orbit_Established.

... which is one of the most herbish usernames ever, btw.

>When have I ridiculed a white person for their whiteness
>alone, suggested that I am, in any way, superior to them, or
>belittled them, specifically because of their race?
>
>Didn't think so.

Only the 1,000,001 times or so you've called people naive whiteboys over innocuous sports disagreements.

But I'd like you to point out when have I ever ridiculed a white person for their whiteness alone. (note: ridiculing n-word dropping wiggers isn't ridiculing someone for their whiteness alone)

Didn't think so.

>But Straw_Orbit, on the other hand, makes Khalid
>Mohammed(R.I.P.) look like Ward Connerly.

No, but Basaglia_Established makes Ward Connerly look like Khalid Muhammed.

>Motherfucker, I don't know anything about your childhood, and
>don't want to.

Yeah, you're too obsessed with my ethnicity to worry about that.

>All the ammunition I need to ever clown you
>sits directly in your posts.

I suppose that's why you needed to cyberstalk me to dig up personal information to use for ammunition, huh?

>Right. You shoot down my arguments. Just like in this thread,
>right?
>
>Lol.

Yup. Unless you come up with a compelling argument for Ken O'Brien being a more aware QB than Phil Simms.

LOL.

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