I know...I know...another 'cism thread from me. Well, if so much racist shit wasn't EVERYWHERE, I wouldn't talk about it so much. I'd be talking about the Yanks catching the Sox and Bernard old shit-talking ass losing.

Anyway...check this out, fellas....the awareness ratings on Madden for the NFC starting QBs...

Michael Vick QB 78
Jake Delhomme QB 86
Aaron Brooks QB 75
Donovan McNabb QB 88
Eli Manning QB 76
Patrick Ramsey QB 77
Drew Bledsoe QB 88
Rex Grossman QB 76 <[br />Jeff Garcia QB 83
Brett Favre QB 97
Daunte Culpepper QB 87
Tim Rattay QB 78
Marc Bulger QB 87
Matt Hasselbeck QB 87


RACISM!!!!!!!!!!! GODDAMN!!!! DREW BLEDSOE IS MORE AWARE THAN DAUNTE CULPEPPER AND AS AWARE AS MCNABB!!!!

Seriously, does Daunte have to throw 50 TDs and 9 ints to get a 90+ in awareness? What does McNabb have to do?

Rex Grossman is more aware than Aaron Brooks? Based on WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?
Just because the star black QBs deservedly get at least 75+ for speed and acceleration, you don't balance that shit out by shitting on their intelligence (because we all know that's what "awareness" is) rating.

And I won't even comment on that 97 from that alkie pill-popper. That shit can drive a person crazy if they tried to analyze it.

and Madden will ALWAYS put Favre high as shit.Its like MJ on the Wiz in Live
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michael jordan DESERVED his ratings on live. brett favre throws 18 ints a year and gets near-perfect ratings.

...I will consider him aware.

107 Tds 67ints

pretty aware to me.

They aren't ready.


>107 Tds 67ints

>pretty aware to me.


Yes he is. He is actually relatively conservative with his tosses, especially for an athletic guy with a cannon arm. Those guys are your typical gun-slingers.

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And, as I learned last year, a lousy one at that. Matter of fact, he SHOULD be ranked better in Madden. That's the one place he has game.

shit for a while.

>shit for a while.

yes. whatever will we do!?

fuck what's going on in the third world, let's make sure that these multimillionaires are properly recognized for their football intelligence!

>fuck what's going on in the third world, let's make sure that
>these multimillionaires are properly recognized for their
>football intelligence!

When in doubt, make an appeal to "there are children starving in China" to belittle an argument that you don't feel like partaking in.

Nigga, please.

I find this very intriguing. In fact, a sociologist friend of mine told me that otherwise harmless venues like this are your best controls for how racist attitudes can bubble to the top, specifically because the thinking is natural, and isn't privy to how it scrutinized.

I dont even like video games like that, so I don't care for the sake of the game, but I do find it interesting.


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the book "everything bad is good for you" deals with the influence and potential of shit specifically like video games.

i dunno, how many people even look at the ratings beyond the overall?

besides, none of us care of about the third world as much as we care about...oh, say...pancakes...or ipods...or sneakers...or pussy...or graham crackers.

so, please, kindly shut the fuck up.

Holy fucking shit.

>besides, none of us care of about the third world as much as
>we care about...oh, say...pancakes...or ipods...or
>sneakers...or pussy...or graham crackers.

>so, please, kindly shut the fuck up.

Reply of the year. Easily.

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>besides, none of us care of about the third world as much as
>we care about...oh, say...pancakes...or ipods...or
>sneakers...or pussy...or graham crackers.
>
>so, please, kindly shut the fuck up.
This guy said graham crackers

in·jus·tice Audio pronunciation of "injustice" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-jsts)
n.

1. Violation of another's rights or of what is right; lack of justice.

His reply, on the other hand, was brilliant.

Do better, funny man.

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for someone who thinks so highly of himself, i'm amazed that you can't grasp the concept of injustice.
do better "smart" guy.

>besides, none of us care of about the third world as much as
>we care about...oh, say...pancakes...or ipods...or
>sneakers...or pussy...or graham crackers.
>
>so, please, kindly shut the fuck up.

but uh, yeah, what is McNair's awareness?

that was f*cking beautiful...

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And why is Jeff Garcia an 83? Did I die and go back to 2001?

>And why is Jeff Garcia an 83? Did I die and go back to
>2001?


The Doc was high on Garcia in Cleveland, but he works best in CERTAIN offenses and those offenses alone. Ain't no way he should be rated higher than no damn Michael Vick...

the new madden is out???

They probably scored the ratings early on Madden Mania or whatever.

in 2005 McNabb turned into Jesus Christ within the span of a year, he was like 90+ in everything except speed within two seasons.

I traded Rex & a 1st rd pick to the Bolts for Phillip Rivers and had him 99 THP, THA & AWR by the end of his 3rd season (and that was with him riding the bench behind Gannon as a rookie).

I got bored because every player on the Birds was a HOF'er after a season or two so I started one with the Bolts and pretty much the same thing happened, Rivers is damn near perfect TAC and TPW after the first year and some clever training camp tosses.

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awarness is the easist stat to improve by far, If Culpepper starts with an 80 some awarness but is in the 90s overall, he'll easily get to 99. Where as whatever farve's overall rating starts at, that's where he's pretty much staying

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it's combining two of my favorite things! madden and 'CISM!!!!


>Rex Grossman is more aware than Aaron Brooks? Based on
>WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?

based on the fact that rex has never turned around and voluntarily thrown the ball 30 yards backwards resulting in possibly the most retarded play in the nfl since that dude tried to score a TD in the wrong endzone.

for that play alone Brooks deserves an awareness of 12 overall.

also threw the ball into the hands of an incoming defensive lineman. Brooks has physical talent but his head isn't always in the game.

Saying "Aaron Brooks isn't necessarily the most aware QB in the world" is akin to saying "Basaglia isn't necessarily the most white-friendly poster on OkaySports."

>Saying "Aaron Brooks isn't necessarily the most aware QB in
>the world" is akin to saying "Basaglia isn't necessarily the
>most white-friendly poster on OkaySports."

Aaron Brooks's last three seaons:
27TD 15INT 53.6%
24TD 8INT 59%
21TD 16INT 57%

Drew Bledsoe's last three seasons:
24TD 15 INT 58%
11TD 12INT 56.9%
20TD 16INT 57%

Google some excuses for why Aaron Brooks, who throws less picks per touchdown, and completes as high a percentage of his passes, is less aware than Drew Bledose. E-mail Peter King. He'll give you dozens.....if he's not busy campaigning for Jake Plummer to get a 99 in awareness.

And no, one play dosen't qualify. Brooks is a classic example of where a players' actual performance dosen't match their reputation. He makes no more bad decisions in a season than Brett Favre does in some half seasons. Brooks is acutally putting together a nice little career, and appears on the brink of a breakout year.



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brooks is forever doing some dumb shit.

and appears on the
>brink of a breakout year.
>

he's been on the brink of a breakout year since he took over for blake. the bottom line is that the kid probably has a double digit iq. he rarely can keep his head in a game for a full 60, and if you want to talk about a full season, forget it.

>brooks is forever doing some dumb shit.

WELL THE MUTHAFUCKIN' STATS TELL ME THAT DREW BLEDSOE THROWS THE MUTHAFUCKING BALL TO THE WRONG TEAM FAR MORE THAN AARON BROOKS DOES, THAT AARON BROOKS COMPLETES A PERCENTAGE OF HIS PASSES UP THERE WITH ANYONE IN THE LEAGUE, THAT HE PUTS UP OVER 3500 YARDS EVERY SEASON, THAT HE HAS THROWN 40 MORE TDS THAN INTS. THAT'S WHAT THE *ACTUAL FACTS* TELL ME.

IF THE MUTHAFUCKING STATS DON'T BACK YOUR ARGUMENT, THAN CHANGE IT BECAUSE ITS PROBABLY YOU THAT IS WRONG.

AND I DON'T EVEN LIKE AARON BROOKS.

MY BEEF WITH HIM IS THAT HE'S *TOO* TIMID AND AN UNDERACHIEVER GIVEN HIS ARM STRENGTH AND NATURAL QUARTERBACKING TALENT.

BUT THE ACTUAL STATISTICS SHOW THAT HE'S PERFORMING MORE THAN ADEQUATELY, AND ACTUALLY ISN'T SIGNIFICANTLY "UNAWARE" CERTAINLY NOT LESS THAN FOLKS LIKE GARCIA, MANNING, GROSSMAN AND BLEDSOE.

I SWEAR, YOU DUMBUCKS ALLOW BASAGLIA TO BAIT YOU INTO TERRIBLE POINTS.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE DUDE, JUST DON'T LIKE HIM, BUT YOU LOOK WORSE THAN HE DOES WHEN YOU REPLY WITH SHIT LIKE THIS. IT JUSTIFIES HIS POSTS, IN FACT.

DUMBASSES.

> and appears on the
>>brink of a breakout year.
>>
>
>he's been on the brink of a breakout year since he took over
>for blake. the bottom line is that the kid probably has a
>double digit iq. he rarely can keep his head in a game for a
>full 60, and if you want to talk about a full season, forget
>it.


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8-8, 8-8, 9-7 and 7-9 the past four years. Plus, they've been dreadful at crunch time, losing to almost every team that had something to play for.

I'll KILL YOUR ARGUMENT DEAD RIGHT AWAY BY SKETCHING THE BILLS RECORD UNDER BLEDSOE:

8-8, 6-10, 9-7.

BUT CONTINUE TO READ BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!


>8-8, 8-8, 9-7 and 7-9 the past four years. Plus, they've
>been dreadful at crunch time, losing to almost every team that
>had something to play fr.

Is that all google could deliver you???

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NO EVIDENCE OF ANY KIND THAT THOSE LOSSES WERE SPECIFIALLY DUE TO AARON BROOKS OR HIS "LACK OF AWARENESS" YOU DUMBFUCK!!!!

THAT ENTIRE SAINTS TEAM UNDERACHIEVES WHICH IS WHY MUTHAFUCKAZ NEED TO FIRE PUNK ASS JIM HASLETT WHO IS A PIECE OF SHIT!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

MANG!!!!!!!!!



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>
>I'll KILL YOUR ARGUMENT DEAD RIGHT AWAY BY SKETCHING THE BILLS
>RECORD UNDER BLEDSOE:
>
>8-8, 6-10, 9-7.
>
>BUT CONTINUE TO READ BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Bledsoe's awareness isn't the problem. It's the fact that he's one of the slowest men on the face of the earth and the game has passed him by. Considering we're discussing a VIDEO GAME, they probably had to jack up his awareness rating to compensate for the fact that his speed rating is probably 4.

>YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NO EVIDENCE OF ANY KIND THAT
>THOSE LOSSES WERE SPECIFIALLY DUE TO AARON BROOKS OR HIS "LACK
>OF AWARENESS" YOU DUMBFUCK!!!!

I watch the games.

>THAT ENTIRE SAINTS TEAM UNDERACHIEVES WHICH IS WHY MUTHAFUCKAZ
>NEED TO FIRE PUNK ASS JIM HASLETT WHO IS A PIECE OF SHIT!!!!

Yes they do.

You can't win your own award.

Well, yes you can.


>Bledsoe's awareness isn't the problem. It's the fact that
>he's one of the slowest men on the face of the earth and the
>game has passed him by. Considering we're discussing a VIDEO
>GAME, they probably had to jack up his awareness rating to
>compensate for the fact that his speed rating is probably 4.

That dosen't make the slightest motherfucking bit of sense, and is retarded, even for you.

Bledose throws the ball to the OPPOSING TEAM more than Aaron Brooks. According to you, I'm supposed to believe that Bledose loses more games than Aaron Brooks, and throws the ball to the the opposing team more than Brooks because he is slow afoot. That's a very 'weapons of mass destruction' argument there, Mr. Maple Leaf. Its sucks rabbit dickskin and you need to consider jumping out of a window for making that argument. Don't do it, because we need you, but I said you should consider it.


>>THAT ENTIRE SAINTS TEAM UNDERACHIEVES WHICH IS WHY
>MUTHAFUCKAZ
>>NEED TO FIRE PUNK ASS JIM HASLETT WHO IS A PIECE OF SHIT!!!!

>Yes they do.

Oh, but the Saints win/loss record is somehow more indicative of Brooks' lack of "awareness" than it is of Haslett's inability to get an entire team to get fired up and perform adequately.

I get it.

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>That dosen't make the slightest motherfucking bit of sense,
>and is retarded, even for you.
>
>Bledose throws the ball to the OPPOSING TEAM more than Aaron
>Brooks.

Last year he didn't, actually. And Bledsoe demonstrated a sound grasp of the "forward pass."

According to you, I'm supposed to believe that
>Bledose loses more games than Aaron Brooks, and throws the
>ball to the the opposing team more than Brooks because he is
>slow afoot. That's a very 'weapons of mass destruction'
>argument there, Mr. Maple Leaf.

He faces more pressure as a result. So yeah, being slow does often prompt turnovers.

>Oh, but the Saints win/loss record is somehow more indicative
>of Brooks' lack of "awareness" than it is of Haslett's
>inability to get an entire team to get fired up and perform
>adequately.

This is not some sort of Brooks vs. Haslett zero sum game. They are both allowed to blow.

tell me the time or times when aaron brooks looked like a poised quarterback with good awareness, made good judgements, and led his team to oh i don't know, a playoff berth.

>tell me the time or times when aaron brooks looked like a
>poised quarterback with good awareness, made good judgements,
>and led his team to oh i don't know, a playoff berth.


This is fun:

He actually *HAS* led them to the playoffs, and in his first season seeing starting action, looked cool, calm, and collected in relief of the injured Jeff Blake en route to the playoffs. The last four seasons the entire team has underachieved, except Deuce Mcal, which is why intelligent people suggest the problem is systematic. Not to absolve Brooks of blame, but he is *FAAAAR* from the only, or main problem. He's actuallly throws the ball to the wrong team less than a lot of other guys allegedly more intelligent than he is.

Also,

Why don't *YOU* name me the times when Patrick Ramsey, Eli Manning, or Drew Bledsoe(2002-2004) have looked poised, led their teams to playoff births, or done one motherfucking thing to justify being granted more "awareness" than Aaron Brooks.

I didn't fucking think so.





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you're right.

on paper aaron brooks is an all-pro.

>you're right.
>
>on paper aaron brooks is an all-pro.

Why don't you admit you are wrong, and admit what I really said was right.

Aaron Brooks has played like no All pro the last two seasons, but he's done nothing to justify his awareness being lower than Eli Manning, Patrick Ramsey, or Drew Bledsoe.

He's not *that* unaware. At all. He's an underachiever. He's injury prone. But he's really not that "unaware".


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maybe brooks is less unaware than other nfl bottom feeders.

congrats on that one.

that being said, i wouldn't count on him to lead a football team out of a bag, let alone to an nfl win.

if you saw any of brooks' games you would realize he makes horrible decisions throwing and in some cases not throwing the ball (see: 41 sacks to Bledsoe's 37)

maybe he's better than bledsoe, ramsey, and eli, but... that ain't exactly stellar.

>maybe brooks is less unaware than other nfl bottom feeders.

NO, HE'S ACTUALLY *MORE* NFL QUARTERBACKS WHO ARE ALLEGEDLEY MORE AWARE AND CEREBRAL THAN HE IS. THE REPUTATION ISN'T BACKED UP BY ACTUAL STATS. PERIOD.

>that being said, i wouldn't count on him to lead a football
>team out of a bag, let alone to an nfl win.

OKAY. ESPECIALLY WHEN HE'S PLAYING WITH THE WORST DEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA. I WOULDN'T EXPECT HIM TO DO VERY WELL WITH THAT EITHER!!!!

TRY HARDER.


>if you saw any of brooks' games you would realize he makes
>horrible decisions throwing and in some cases not throwing the
>ball (see: 41 sacks to Bledsoe's 37)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH!!!!

BUT HOW MANY SACKS DID HE AVOID, HOW MANY FIRST DOWNS DID HE PICK UP WITH HIS ATHLETICISM RELATIVE TO BLEDOSE?

SHOT THAT POINT DOWN TOO.

DAMN, I FEEL LIKE I'M PLAYING DUCK HUNT.

>maybe he's better than bledsoe, ramsey, and eli, but... that
>ain't exactly stellar.

NOBODY SAID HE WAS STELLAR.

I SAID THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF RELATIVE LACK OF "AWARENESS." THERE IS NO STATISTICAL, OR QUALITATIVE BASIS FOR AN AWARENESS RANKING THAT LOW.

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of a guy who scored a 17 on the wonderlic test. right. good night.

that's worth.

or do you just like him because he's black? what's the fucking deal here? dude is not good.

>or do you just like him because he's black?
> what's the
>fucking deal here? dude is not good.

Nobody here is trying to put Brooks in the HOF but for some reason he gets WAY more criticism than other QB's that are significantly inferior.

you dumbasses just defend him all day. if you'd concede that he's at best mediocre there'd no longer be an argument.

who can find me saying a good thing about either of those.

i've said jake was arguably the worst qb in football for sometime now.

you might be able to find me jokingly saying that boller can throw a football through the goalposts from his knees as a positive thing. good luck with that.

those 2 suck. brooks is probably right in between them as far as career achievements and ability.

>those 2 suck. brooks is probably right in between them as far
>as career achievements and ability.

brooks and plummer are equal and boller's worse. boller at least, has the excuse of being young.

also, a 17 on the wonderlic is still comedy, i don't care what marino got.

hell you could get a 17 on the wonderlic.

be able to make an argument theat he's on Brooks level until then STFU.

As far as the wonderlic, like I said Marino got like a 13 and he's considered one of the greatest QB's of all time. This year the Rams drafted a QB from Harvard that got a 40 but he probably won't make it out of training camp.

go figure. we'll give him the nod of 3 of the worst qb's in the league. great.

the point wasn't that a good wonderlic score makes you a good football player, i just find it funny that people are that dumb. marino included.

>the point wasn't that a good wonderlic score makes you a good
>football player, i just find it funny that people are that
>dumb. marino included.

Half the players at the combine don't take that test seriously anyway. I've never heard of an NFL team drafting or not drafting a guy based on his wonderlic score.

17. that's like, do you know basic fractions?

off, they don't even try to answer all of the questions.

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I honestly dunno if he's ever watched a football game.

maybe you could fault him for not getting his team in the playoffs but since he doesn't you can't.

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team?

If you put Tom Brady on the Saints, could he get them in the playoffs?

they have nothing to back up there statement.

Yeah, I think someone could've done slightly better.

The D was on par with the offense.

Result?

8-8.

compare to Brooks'?

Brooks was so much better than Brady that season and that defense just kept bailing Brady out. Here I was thinking that I actually saw Brady perform that season. No, thatruth and his stats have shown me the way. I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT AND CAN TYPE IN CAPS.

just like old times, huh z?

and "Hands of Stone" Donte Stallworth

and he won two superbowls without a running back near the quality of McCallister.

and "he" didn't win two Superbowls

the Patriots did

>Aaron Brooks's last three seaons:
> 27TD 15INT 53.6%
> 24TD 8INT 59%
> 21TD 16INT 57%
>
>Drew Bledsoe's last three seasons:
> 24TD 15 INT 58%
> 11TD 12INT 56.9%
> 20TD 16INT 57%

2 of those three seasons are pretty identical. Yeah, the middle season, Brooks outperforms Bledsoe, but in the first and last seasons that you've listed, both threw 16 and 15 picks. Brooks has more TDs by 4 in those two seasons, but Bledsoe's completion percentage is equal or higher, with a perceptably worse receiving corps.

>Bledsoe's completion percentage is equal or higher, with a
>perceptably worse receiving corps.

i truly feel sorry for people who just can't take the L and move on.

n/m

TD:Int anyone?

>with a perceptably worse receiving corps.

>Aaron Brooks's last three seaons:
> 27TD 15INT 53.6%
> 24TD 8INT 59%
> 21TD 16INT 57%
>
>Drew Bledsoe's last three seasons:
> 24TD 15 INT 58%
> 11TD 12INT 56.9%
> 20TD 16INT 57%
>
>Google some excuses for why Aaron Brooks, who throws less
>picks per touchdown, and completes as high a percentage of his
>passes, is less aware than Drew Bledose. E-mail Peter King.
>He'll give you dozens.....if he's not busy campaigning for
>Jake Plummer to get a 99 in awareness.


That backwards pass towards the offensive lineman is far from the only boneheaded play Brooks has made, that one is just the quintessential example of it. As for the numbers, it's not that simple; Ken O'Brien threw less picks per touchdown and completed a higher percentage of his passes than Phil Simms, but I've never heard anyone compare O'Brien's level of awareness to Simms', cuz he just didn't have it. So it's not just as simple as throwing up those numbers.

That being said, the ratings for Eli Manning and Favre are ridiculous - Eli was so lost he had his face plastered on milk cartons, and Favre has football alzheimers at this point.


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For the life of me, just agree with me, because you know I'm right.

Phil Simms was a super bowl winning QB on some of the winningest Giant teams ever.
Ken O'Brien was not.

The comparison, and your point, end there, because neither Brooks, nor Bledsoe, are winners as of late (Bledsoe, of course, was a backup on the Patriot Super Bowl teams, just like he should have been).

So, yes, Aaron Brooks might actually make a trillion worse decisons than Drew Bledsoe. I just happen to find those hard to focus on when:

a)He plays with a far shittier defense, which digs him into holes, makes him play from behind, or makes him play with few leads, or in close games.

b)He has thrown, over the past four season, less interceptions per touchdown than Drew Bledose.

c)Completes passes at a comparable clip and despite dropping back almost 100 more times, was only sacked a handful more times, which pisses on any "pocket presence" argument.

d)Dosen't lose any more games than Bledose, despite the fact that Bledsoe's defense set his offense up to win more games than Brooks' defense does. That is where your Phil Simms comparison breaks down. Simms, despite his numbers, won games with his great defense. Bledsoe did not.

There is no justification for Bledsoe's awareness rating being ten points HIGHER. If it was one, or two points higher, than fine. We wouldn't have a discussion here. But like you allude to, having favre, and Garcia, and Manning, and Grossman have higher awareness numbers dosen't stand up to any scrutiny at all.

Again, focus on what I'm saying:

I'm not even saying that Brooks is *more* aware.

I'm saying there is little evidence to support him being significantly *less* aware than Bledsoe, Eli, Grossman, etc.


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>For the life of me, just agree with me, because you know I'm
>right.

I actually agree with you on the racism thing in general here, but Brooks is a bad example for you to point to, cuz his awareness is actually pretty poor.

>Phil Simms was a super bowl winning QB on some of the
>winningest Giant teams ever.
>Ken O'Brien was not.

Um, that was kinda my point.

>The comparison, and your point, end there, because neither
>Brooks, nor Bledsoe, are winners as of late (Bledsoe, of
>course, was a backup on the Patriot Super Bowl teams, just
>like he should have been).

Not really. I was just pointing out an example of how those stats aren't necessarily a good indicator of "awareness level". And Bledsoe has led a team to the Super Bowl, so he's definitely got a more proven track record of winning than Brooks does.

>So, yes, Aaron Brooks might actually make a trillion worse
>decisons than Drew Bledsoe.

By all rights this post should end here.

But I suppose it's inexorably getting caught up in the tide of this thread, so I guess I'll just have to go with the flow.

>I just happen to find those hard
>to focus on when:
>
>a)He plays with a far shittier defense, which digs him into
>holes, makes him play from behind, or makes him play with few
>leads, or in close games.

And that's supposed to negate my comparison? Um, you do realize that Ken O'Brien played for the *Jets*, right? I think he played with a far shitter defense behind him most of those years than Simms did with the G-Men.

>b)He has thrown, over the past four season, less interceptions
>per touchdown than Drew Bledose.

And as I pointed out, O'Brien threw less interceptions per touchdown than Simms over their respective careers.

>c)Completes passes at a comparable clip and despite dropping
>back almost 100 more times, was only sacked a handful more
>times, which pisses on any "pocket presence" argument.

Again, O'Brien's career completion percentage is better than Simms'.

As for the sacks, Brooks has great speed in the pocket while Bledsoe is a petrified statue back there.

>d)Dosen't lose any more games than Bledose, despite the fact
>that Bledsoe's defense set his offense up to win more games
>than Brooks' defense does. That is where your Phil Simms
>comparison breaks down. Simms, despite his numbers, won games
>with his great defense. Bledsoe did not.

And that proves Brooks' "awarenes level" how? Brooks is a much better athlete than Bledsoe, and he wins his games through his athleticism. I am not arguing against Brooks' overall effectiveness vs. Bledsoe (cuz they're both pretty ineffective at this point), just his level of awareness.

>There is no justification for Bledsoe's awareness rating being
>ten points HIGHER.

"So, yes, Aaron Brooks might actually make a trillion worse decisons than Drew Bledsoe."

I'd say 'a trillion worse decisions' seems like pretty good justification.

>If it was one, or two points higher, than
>fine. We wouldn't have a discussion here. But like you allude
>to, having favre, and Garcia, and Manning, and Grossman have
>higher awareness numbers dosen't stand up to any scrutiny at
>all.

Agreed (athough I don't know if awareness is Garcia's biggest problem). So argue about those guys, and we wouldn't have a discussion here.

>Again, focus on what I'm saying:
>
>I'm not even saying that Brooks is *more* aware.

Yes, I realize that. You are saying he is no less aware than Bledsoe, which I do not agree with.

>I'm saying there is little evidence to support him being
>significantly *less* aware than Bledsoe, Eli, Grossman, etc.

See, I agree with you on Eli and probably Grossman (haven't really see him play, but I know he sucks). Not Bledsoe though. Cuz with your Bledsoe argument I think you're getting overall effectiveness mixed up with awareness level.

But Eli? Shit, did you see that shook-ass punk play last year? It was like Land of the Lost out there, I think I actually saw him get sacked by a Sleeslack at one point.

So I don't actually disagree with your underlying point this time, just the particular argument you chose to make it. Pick your horse better, and I might actually ride with you on this one.

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I don't get it. You're being petty.

But we can do this:

Provide some reasons,

Some real reasons,

As in reasons having to do with how Bledsoe plays the actual game of football, that justify Bledsoe having an awareness rating 17% percent higher than Aaron Brooks.

Single plays don't count.

Sentiment dosen't count.

"gut feelings" dont count.

You see,

GUT FEELINGS are the feelings that are the most suceptible to race tinkering. They are the ones that we tend not to question.

Bledose *appears* like a more cerebral quarterback.

We all instinctively *feel* like he's more aware, has better instincts, etc.

The actual facts, what he does in the actual game of football, when he puts on the shoulder pads, and has to play the game, don't back that up.

AT ALL.

Hell, Bledsoe has a higher fucking awareness rating than Dante Culpepper for chrissakes.

This is the point.

And just for good measure I'll throw a radical black guy comment for you to get peeved about, Mr. Moderate:

I think we associate a certain look with a certain skill set. I think that if the 6'5 white, stoudt, stern-faced QB, and the young, flashy, black athletic quarterback make the same mistake, the error is attributed to a lack of intellect in one example more than the other.

There. Go place that in with my "Pat Tillman should not be SI Sportsman of the Year"-brand of evil black guy comments.

>Not
>I actually agree with you on the racism thing in general here,
>but Brooks is a bad example for you to point to, cuz his
>awareness is actually pretty poor.

Again, based on sentiments and feelings.

What actually goes on in the game of football doesen't back that up.

>And that proves Brooks' "awarenes level" how? Brooks is a much
>better athlete than Bledsoe, and he wins his games through his
>athleticism. I am not arguing against Brooks' overall
>effectiveness vs. Bledsoe (cuz they're both pretty ineffective
>at this point), just his level of awareness.

Brooks gained a total of 173 yards on the ground last year.

KYLE BOLLER out-rushed Aaron Brooks last year.

But see, the reason you appealed to Aaron Brooks' athleticism is the same reason you(and me, and EA Sports) instinctively think he has low "awareness."

Gut feelings.

Brooks is actually *NOT* a scrambler, and hasn't been for several seasons. He *can* scramble, but is a pretty pure pocket passer, with a wicked slingshot arm, who is streaky, but when he's hot, is a pleasure to watch toss the football.

>Agreed (athough I don't know if awareness is Garcia's biggest
>problem). So argue about those guys, and we wouldn't have a
>discussion here.

Of course "awareness" is not Jeff Garcia's problem.

I guess his 10-9 TD-INT ratio had to do with his gayness or something.

*shakes head*

>Yes, I realize that. You are saying he is no less aware than
>Bledsoe, which I do not agree with.

Fair enough, but too bad there is not a single grain of actual evidence based on real football playing that you can point to that argues for Drew Bledose being's ranked 13 points higher in the awareness category.

Hell, I'd shush if Bledsoe was say....4 points above. Maybe 5.

But 13?

That's just ridiculous, and unsubstantiated.

these niggas are lying like crazy. i didnt know logic could be twisted so grotesquely.

you're out of your element.

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you're a miserable person

>you're a miserable person

cry about it, whitey.

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true

This ninja in here spitting HEAT.

WHOOOOAAAAA SHHHHHHIIIITT

you need whiteboys to fight your battles for you now?

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http://www.varesenews.it/immagini/luoghi/malpensa/personaggi/basaglia1.jpg

Goddamn shame.

>you need whiteboys to fight your battles for you now?

No, but watching one systematically loot your blackness is fucking CLASSIC.

And watching you sling worse racist anti-white epithets than you've accused me of is LEGENDARY.

Archive this shit. NOW.



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"Any fighter that I face, I say prayers for them every night and that he and I live to fight another day."

(C) Floyd Mayweather Jr

Watching you ride for a wigga like that is tragicomically classic. Talk about looting your blackness... well, he didn't really loot it so much as you *sold* it. Goddamn shame.

>And watching you sling worse racist anti-white epithets than
>you've accused me of is LEGENDARY.

Watching you defend a white person using racist anti-black epithets is HISTORIC. You can hang up your faux black revolutionary schtick now, game over.

And btw, you've used those same exact terms countless times before, the difference being that you actually ARE a racist, while my comments are for entertainment purposes only (this is, after all, Basaglia we're talking about)

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OE has a problem with EA's awareness rating of Aaron Brooks, but has no problem with a white kid flippantly using the n-word, among other derogatory terms.

Makes sense to me.

>Watching you ride for a wigga like that is tragicomically
>classic. Talk about looting your blackness... well, he didn't
>really loot it so much as you *sold* it. Goddamn shame.

I'm actually just as black as I was before this thread began.

You on the other hand, are not.

Hell, there's tons of black people who I'd be glad to disown, you being one of them.

Thankfully, its been done for me.

If only I could get Basaglia to Condie and Clarence.

>And btw, you've used those same exact terms countless times
>before, the difference being that you actually ARE a racist,
>while my comments are for entertainment purposes only (this
>is, after all, Basaglia we're talking about)

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH

So I'm racist?

Lol.

Where?

When?

When have I ever slung an explicit racial epithet meant to communicate the innate racial superiority of my race relative to others?

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(C) Floyd Mayweather Jr

>I'm actually just as black as I was before this thread began.

You actually just sold out your blackness to a wigger in a vain attempt to win an internet argument. Your blackness card has been revoked.

>Hell, there's tons of black people who I'd be glad to disown,
>you being one of them.
>
>Thankfully, its been done for me.

Thankfully I don't need whiteboys to fight my battles for me like you do. And a whiteboy can't disown black people, but thankfully you've disowned yourself - saved me the trouble.

>When have I ever slung an explicit racial epithet meant to
>communicate the innate racial superiority of my race relative
>to others?

LOL - you've only called people "naive whiteboy" on here about a million times, but since you've now sold your blackness out to a naive wigga I can see why you'd want to try to cover that up - it's not a good look.

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Watch this:

>You actually just sold out your blackness to a wigger in a
>vain attempt to win an internet argument. Your blackness card
>has ben revoked

This is easy to solve:

If Basaglia is in fact a white boy, slinging the 'n' world liberally, than fuck him, and I'll whoop his ass just like I would yours. I'd then have to qualify him as a dumbass white boy alongside a whole lot of other Okayplayers, many of whom you be like, hanging out with and shit.

There.

See how dope I am?

None of that changes the fact that you are getting sonned up and down this entire thread. All this race-looting aside, you are at least getting clowned and have lost an argument, badly.

>LOL - you've only called people "naive whiteboy" on here about
>a million times, but since you've now sold your blackness out
>to a naive wigga I can see why you'd want to try to cover that
>up - it's not a good look.

So calling someone a "naive whiteboy" is a racial epithet.

Hmmmm.

*Maybe* in elementary school.

You said someone had the "blood of a slave master, heart of a cracka"

That's inflammatory, buddy.

Definately worse than anything you heard me spit.

The white people would be flocking in here to place you on their "bad nigger" list like they have me, but all your friends are shell shocked right now. I'd be like Clarence Thomas showing up to work with Timberlands and a wife beater on, talking about "fuck you cracka."

>If Basaglia is in fact a white boy, slinging the 'n' world
>liberally, than fuck him, and I'll whoop his ass just like I
>would yours. I'd then have to qualify him as a dumbass white
>boy alongside a whole lot of other Okayplayers, many of whom
>you be like, hanging out with and shit.
>
>There.
>
>See how dope I am?

Too late - you already rode for basaglia after you found out he was white, and in fact APPLAUDED his n-word dropping wigger antics. At least I hope he paypal'd you the 30 pieces of silver for your soul, you fucking sellout.

And no emo-thug sellout can whoop my ass, 'chester. Not even when you hide behind your wigger posse to fight your battles for you.

There.

See what a herb you are?

LOL.

>None of that changes the fact that you are getting sonned up
>and down this entire thread. All this race-looting aside, you
>are at least getting clowned and have lost an argument, badly.

LOL - you sonned yourself throughout this entire argument: you stated that "yes, Aaron Brooks might actually make a trillion worse decisons than Drew Bledsoe", admitted that you instinctively think Brooks has low awareness (which, btw, reveals your own intrinsic racist mentality that you accuse others of), and tacitly admitted that your own statistical criteria for Brooks being no less aware than Bledsoe is inept.

And as if that wasn't a bad enough clowning by itself, you sold out your blackness to a n-word dropping wigger for supporting your self-contradicting argument.

You played yourself, homie.

>So calling someone a "naive whiteboy" is a racial epithet.
>
>Hmmmm.
>
>*Maybe* in elementary school.

If merely calling someone "whiteboy" is a racist anti-white epithet as you claimed, then "naive whiteboy" certainly is. Worse, even.

>You said someone had the "blood of a slave master, heart of a
>cracka"
>
>That's inflammatory, buddy.

No, inflammatory is a whiteboy calling black people niggas. And you applauding it is pathetically hypocritical, buddy.

>Definately worse than anything you heard me spit.

You never called anyone a cracka? You want to take the 5th on that, or are you gonna go the Barry Bonds lying to the grand jury route?

As for the blood of a slave master comment, besides being figuratively and quite possibly literally true, it was only in response to a whiteboy claiming he has the "blood of a slave", which should actually be more offensive to you than it is to me. Yet you sat there and took it grinning like an Uncle Tom, and even continued to applaud his incredibly inappropriate and offensive wigger antics after he blatantly disrespected you and your ancestors. Clarence Thomas and Ward Connerly would be proud.

>The white people would be flocking in here to place you on
>their "bad nigger" list like they have me, but all your
>friends are shell shocked right now. I'd be like Clarence
>Thomas showing up to work with Timberlands and a wife beater
>on, talking about "fuck you cracka."

The other white people on here don't sling the n-word around like your wigger friend does, and they know that he had it coming to him for that. But all your internet revolutionary friends are shell shocked by your shucking and jiving for a whiteboy throwing around the n-word in their faces. It's like Farrakhan showing up to the mosque in duck boots, Gap khakis & Abercrombie shirt on and putting up a picture of a white Jesus on the wall, talking about "WHITE power."

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"You mean I'm not White?" (C) Richard Pryor

>Too late - you already rode for basaglia after you found out
>he was white, and in fact APPLAUDED his n-word dropping wigger
>antics. At least I hope he paypal'd you the 30 pieces of
>silver for your soul, you fucking sellout.

Cute.

Its more fun when you lie.

Yes, I'm your everyday Clayton Bigsby.

Lol.

>And no emo-thug sellout can whoop my ass, 'chester. Not even
>when you hide behind your wigger posse to fight your battles
>for you.

Don't speak too soon, pah.

O_E is *no punkbitch-o*

I live in the tri-state.

I'm a train away.

>LOL - you sonned yourself throughout this entire argument:
>you stated that "yes, Aaron Brooks might actually make a
>trillion worse decisons than Drew Bledsoe",

Cute.

>admitted that you
>instinctively think Brooks has low awareness (which, btw,
>reveals your own intrinsic racist mentality that you accuse
>others of), and tacitly admitted that your own statistical
>criteria for Brooks being no less aware than Bledsoe is inept.

Excuse me, Ms. Hilton, but that was my point: We are all programmed with racist attitudes, even black people against black people. Certainly my hatred of black people is less than yours, but there is likely something residual in me from all this years of training, I bet.

But you abandoned wanting to having an intelligent conversation, so pardon me for trying to start one now.

>And as if that wasn't a bad enough clowning by itself, you
>sold out your blackness to a n-word dropping wigger for
>supporting your self-contradicting argument.

Cute.

>No, inflammatory is a whiteboy calling black people niggas.
>And you applauding it is pathetically hypocritical, buddy.

Yes, I applauded him specifically for his use of the n-word.

I did.

Lol.

>The other white people on here don't sling the n-word around
>like your wigger friend does, and they know that he had it
>coming to him for that. But all your internet revolutionary
>friends are shell shocked by your shucking and jiving for a
>whiteboy throwing around the n-word in their faces. It's like
>Farrakhan showing up to the mosque in duck boots, Gap khakis &
>Abercrombie shirt on and putting up a picture of a white Jesus
>on the wall, talking about "WHITE power."

In reality, I thought/think, like most Okayplayers, that Basaglia is black.

If he, in fact, is white, than of course, damn him to hell for using the 'n' wod. It is the internetL If someone says they are black, I'll believe them. I thought he was black.

If he is white, he's an inappropriate punk-white boy, which is actually a lot more common than you -- A flip-flopping faggot-assed accusatory lying bitch ass nigga.

No to say he's any better than you(if he's white)

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"Any fighter that I face, I say prayers for them every night and that he and I live to fight another day."

(C) Floyd Mayweather Jr

>"You mean I'm not White?" (C) Richard Pryor

No, you white now. On the inside at least. Call Jacko for the plastic surgeon who hooked him up on the exterior and you'll be set.

>Cute.
>
>Its more fun when you lie.

It's more fun when you shuck and jive for a wigger.

>Yes, I'm your everyday Clayton Bigsby.

Apparently.

>Don't speak too soon, pah.
>
>O_E is *no punkbitch-o*
>
>I live in the tri-state.
>
>I'm a train away.

LOL - you gonna come alone, or you gonna ride with your wigger posse?

>>LOL - you sonned yourself throughout this entire argument:
>>you stated that "yes, Aaron Brooks might actually make a
>>trillion worse decisons than Drew Bledsoe",
>
>Cute.

Hey, your words, not mine.

>Excuse me, Ms. Hilton, but that was my point: We are all
>programmed with racist attitudes, even black people against
>black people.

Does that programming include applauding n-word dropping wiggers?

>Certainly my hatred of black people is less than
>yours, but there is likely something residual in me from all
>this years of training, I bet.

I'm not the one riding for n-word dropping wiggers, buddy.

>But you abandoned wanting to having an intelligent
>conversation, so pardon me for trying to start one now.

LOL - you've never wanted to have an intelligent conversation about anything.

>>And as if that wasn't a bad enough clowning by itself, you
>>sold out your blackness to a n-word dropping wigger for
>>supporting your self-contradicting argument.
>
>Cute.

Repulsive, actually.

>Yes, I applauded him specifically for his use of the n-word.
>
>I did.
>
>Lol.

You applauded his wigger antics, which includes his liberal sprinkling of the n-word. But I guess you think it's ok for white people to drop the n-word as long as it's on people you don't like. Apparently your distain for me outstrips your distain for actual racists, as well as your self-respect. How sad.

>In reality, I thought/think, like most Okayplayers, that
>Basaglia is black.

Is that why you said he was white in post #236, and that it actually made his antics *better*? LOL

>If he, in fact, is white, than of course, damn him to hell for
>using the 'n' wod. It is the internetL If someone says they
>are black, I'll believe them. I thought he was black.

He never actually said he was black - that was kinda the dead giveaway.

>If he is white, he's an inappropriate punk-white boy, which is
>actually a lot more common than you -- A flip-flopping
>faggot-assed accusatory lying bitch ass nigga.

That's pretty funny coming from a whiny two-faced emo-hoe sellout nigga. Those are actually pretty rare outside of Westchester.


>No to say he's any better than you(if he's white)
>
>But you will both die early in the revolution.
>
>Early.

LOL.

The wigger-dickriding sellouts will be the first to die, so I'm not sweating it.

Not that I was worried about a bitch ass emo-thug nigga like you anyway.

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Good. Its like caffeine. I'm awake.

Its more fun when you lie.

But I'd lie too if I was getting both sonned by a white boy, and getting Orbit_Obliterated in a single thread.

Its primal. Survival instinct. I dig it.

>No, you white now. On the inside at least. Call Jacko for the
>plastic surgeon who hooked him up on the exterior and you'll
>be set.

That wasn't funny.

Just letting you know.

A simple 'fuck you' would at least be sincere.

>LOL - you gonna come alone, or you gonna ride with your wigger
>posse?

Definately with my wigger posse.

We can have me and my wigger posse versus you and your white friends....you are best friends with like...half of 'Pass the Popcorn'...dudes who cried during 'Forrest Gump'. I like my chances.

>Does that programming include applauding n-word dropping
>wiggers?

Yep. I applauded the use of white people using the N-word.

I did.

*Yawn*

>I'm not the one riding for n-word dropping wiggers, buddy.

I'm not the punk ass nigga who got sonned by one.

Plus, we both know I only laughed at the "my melanin could outrun yours" comment. But please, don't stop lying now. Tell them O_E was at a Klan rally with a white girl eating a porkchop talking about "I Love Jesus." They won't believe that either.

>LOL - you've never wanted to have an intelligent conversation
>about anything.

True. I never should have expected to have an intelligent conversation about anything. Especially the second I saw you responding.

>You applauded his wigger antics, which includes his liberal
>sprinkling of the n-word. But I guess you think it's ok for
>white people to drop the n-word as long as it's on people you
>don't like. Apparently your distain for me outstrips your
>distain for actual racists, as well as your self-respect. How
>sad.

I actually sonned you(am sonning you) in this very thread by myself, which you've obviously noticed.

But for the 8th time, I actually only laughed at the 'my melanin could outrun yours' comment. I haven't read a post of his since then. But please, lets not start telling the truth now.

*Yawn*

The lying sort of tips me off to what's going in your soul, which you absolutely deserve.

>Is that why you said he was white in post #236, and that it
>actually made his antics *better*? LOL

*Yawn*

I said that if he was white, him telling you "his melanin could outrun yours" was funnier. That's the last post of his I responded to.

But again, don't stop lying now.

(This is getting boring. Lie better)

>He never actually said he was black - that was kinda the dead
>giveaway.

I don't follow his posts. If someone says they are black, I assume that they are.

But please, let's not have an intelligent conversation now.

You have more lying to do.


>That's pretty funny coming from a whiny two-faced emo-hoe
>sellout nigga. Those are actually pretty rare outside of
>Westchester.

Cute.

>Not that I was worried about a bitch ass emo-thug nigga like
>you anyway.

Listen Suzanne,

I'd lie too if I were you.

But given the venom in your words, I'm open to a boxing match, something, where you can (try to) take out your aggression. I'm dead serious.

You see,

You are obviously a little upset. Unlike in the past, I don't feel sorry for you, because you are a malicious, hateful, flip-flopping faggot, and now you've added chronic liar to the resume.

But its all good.

I'd lie too if I was making your anemic arguments while simultaneously getting sonned by a white boy.

nm

And I said in general the ratings are bad, moron.


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and i'll call your punk ass nigga all i want. i can't believe you even bought into this bullshit that i'm not black. some white kid started that to derail any legit racial issues i introduce to the board and you would be the dumb nigga to buy it.

blow your nose and have a good cry, faggot.

and I'll call your cracka ass whiteboy all I want. But if you really want to call black people niggas, do me a favor: get up out your mom's basement, borrow her Volvo SUV, drive the 50-60 miles from your lilly-white suburb to someplace with more than 2 black people, go up to the first black man you see walking down the street, and call him nigga to his face. Then when they scrape your broken carcass off the pavement maybe you'll think twice about the dumb shit that comes out your mouth.


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nm

'nuff said.

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fsg

you can't prove that madden QBs awareness ratings are inconsistent with their respective on-field performances. and you can't prove that i'm not a prominent, dominant, black asiatic hebrew.

basaglia = blood of a slave, heart of a king.

>you can't prove that madden QBs awareness ratings are
>inconsistent with their respective on-field performances.

Actually I agreed that in general they are inconsistent; however arguing in favor of Brooks' awareness level isn't exactly a convincing argument.

>you can't prove that i'm not a prominent, dominant, black
>asiatic hebrew.

Actually I can, because there is no such thing as a "black asiatic hebrew".

>basaglia = blood of a slave, heart of a king.

basaglia = blood of a slave owner, heart of a cracka.

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>>you can't prove that madden QBs awareness ratings are
>>inconsistent with their respective on-field performances.
>
>Actually I agreed that in general they are inconsistent;
>however arguing in favor of Brooks' awareness level isn't
>exactly a convincing argument.

we're well aware that people who can't disprove the underlying racism of those ratings have chosen to focus on brooks, instead of dealing with the larger issue. besides, he better than rex grossman. much better, given the comparative data.

>>you can't prove that i'm not a prominent, dominant, black
>>asiatic hebrew.
>
>Actually I can, because there is no such thing as a "black
>asiatic hebrew".

yes, there is...look in the mirror, blank man.

>>basaglia = blood of a slave, heart of a king.
>
>basaglia = blood of a slave owner, heart of a cracka.

your anger is consuming you.

>we're well aware that people who can't disprove the underlying
>racism of those ratings have chosen to focus on brooks,
>instead of dealing with the larger issue. besides, he better
>than rex grossman. much better, given the comparative data.

No, people who can't prove the awareness of Brooks have chosen to focus on a video game instead of dealing with his actual real-life performance. And awareness does not automatically equal better overall, so that's a dumb argument.

>>Actually I can, because there is no such thing as a "black
>>asiatic hebrew".
>
>yes, there is...look in the mirror, blank man.

Actually no there isn't, although I'm a millon times closer to it than you are, cuz you're a recessive white caucasoidal cracka. Cry about it.

>your anger is consuming you.

And a powerful Sith will I become.

But your white liberal guilt is consuming you, and that path leads to the Wannabe Side.

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>No, people who can't prove the awareness of Brooks have chosen
>to focus on a video game instead of dealing with his actual
>real-life performance. And awareness does not automatically
>equal better overall, so that's a dumb argument.

lies. we have also discussed his real-life performance...we kinda have to, since that's where all those STATISTICS come from that prove he performs better than grossman and garcia come from. you pieces of shit chose to use one or two plays as proof that he's less aware than rex grossman and ignored piles of statistical proof to the contrary. "awareness" can be judged by TD:INT...hell, it SHOULD be judged that way, or at least the largest portion of it should be based on it.


>>>Actually I can, because there is no such thing as a "black
>>>asiatic hebrew".
>>
>>yes, there is...look in the mirror, blank man.
>
>Actually no there isn't, although I'm a millon times closer to
>it than you are, cuz you're a recessive white caucasoidal
>cracka. Cry about it.

you mad. and you're the worst cyber-militant i've ever encountered. your punk ass don't know whether to side with these hipster faggots, who try to ruin all my threads confronting racism in sports, or be an extreme pro-black jackass. your bitch ass ain't fooling nobody. you are a fuckin faggot and you've pieced together your black manhood by disgustingly inorganic means...dumb ass disposable music, BET, 30 sec clips of "cheese eyes" jordan selling you shoes, the boondocks, second-hand stories from friends and family and the cosby show. you don't know how to be a black man, black man. you inconsistent as fuck, because you too busy "showing out for the white cop." these white boys on this board ain't trippin off your punk ass...they just hope a dumb nigga like you will say something they're afraid to say, because they don't like talking about RACISM.

>>your anger is consuming you.
>
>And a powerful Sith will I become.
>
>But your white liberal guilt is consuming you, and that path
>leads to the Wannabe Side.

nigga, shut your dumb ass up.

>lies. we have also discussed his real-life performance...we
>kinda have to, since that's where all those STATISTICS come
>from that prove he performs better than grossman and garcia
>come from. you pieces of shit chose to use one or two plays as
>proof that he's less aware than rex grossman and ignored piles
>of statistical proof to the contrary.

You've discussed it but you haven't proven shit. And over his career Garcia has a significantly better completion percentage, TD/INT rate, and QB rating than Brooks, so I don't know what piles of statistical proof you're talking about. And I never said he was less aware than Rex Grossman, liar.

>"awareness" can be
>judged by TD:INT...hell, it SHOULD be judged that way, or at
>least the largest portion of it should be based on it.

So you're saying Ken O'Brien should be judged as a more aware QB than Phil Simms. Bravo - you make dumber sports arguments than Skip Bayless.

>you mad. and you're the worst cyber-militant i've ever
>encountered. your punk ass don't know whether to side with
>these hipster faggots, who try to ruin all my threads
>confronting racism in sports, or be an extreme pro-black
>jackass. your bitch ass ain't fooling nobody. you are a fuckin
>faggot and you've pieced together your black manhood by
>disgustingly inorganic means...dumb ass disposable music, BET,
>30 sec clips of "cheese eyes" jordan selling you shoes, the
>boondocks, second-hand stories from friends and family and the
>cosby show. you don't know how to be a black man, black man.
>you inconsistent as fuck, because you too busy "showing out
>for the white cop." these white boys on this board ain't
>trippin off your punk ass...they just hope a dumb nigga like
>you will say something they're afraid to say, because they
>don't like talking about RACISM.

LOL - you're an insecure whiteboy posing as a black revolutionary on the internet because you're afraid of actually interacting with black people in real life. You mad, jealous, scared, confused, and wracked with guilt. The black AND white people here all think you're a joke because your phony-ass militant schtick is so fucking ludicrous and transparent. Stop fronting already, cuz you're not black and you never will be. So get up out your mom's basement and go do something with you life, loser.

>nigga, shut your dumb ass up.

Chill with the nigga shit before you get the whiteness smacked off you, cracka.

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- Riley Escobar

>You've discussed it but you haven't proven shit. And over his
>career Garcia has a significantly better completion
>percentage, TD/INT rate, and QB rating than Brooks, so I don't
>know what piles of statistical proof you're talking about. And
>I never said he was less aware than Rex Grossman, liar.

well, over the last few years, garcia has been some shit compared to brooks. and you may not have discussed grossman, but i did.


>>"awareness" can be
>>judged by TD:INT...hell, it SHOULD be judged that way, or at
>>least the largest portion of it should be based on it.
>
>So you're saying Ken O'Brien should be judged as a more aware
>QB than Phil Simms. Bravo - you make dumber sports arguments
>than Skip Bayless.

yes, i'm saying ken o'brien should be judged as more aware than phil simms if that what the data shows. after all, with all of the categories that comprise the overall QB ratings, simms will still correctly come out on top, you dumb bitch. the entire point of this thread is that black QBs were willfuly and blatantly ganked in the awareness and accuracy categories DESPITE the stats on which these ratings are based. and my guess is that were reduced in these categories because they cannot be denied in the speed, agility and quickness categories. IT'S FUCKING RACIST!


>
>LOL - you're an insecure whiteboy posing as a black
>revolutionary on the internet because you're afraid of
>actually interacting with black people in real life. You mad,
>jealous, scared, confused, and wracked with guilt. The black
>AND white people here all think you're a joke because your
>phony-ass militant schtick is so fucking ludicrous and
>transparent. Stop fronting already, cuz you're not black and
>you never will be. So get up out your mom's basement and go
>do something with you life, loser.

means nothing to me. not white.

>>nigga, shut your dumb ass up.
>
>Chill with the nigga shit before you get the whiteness smacked
>off you, cracka.

i'd love to be confronted by your faggot ass so you can run back to this board and confirm how black i am after i fuck you up.

>well, over the last few years, garcia has been some shit
>compared to brooks.

So did Garcia somehow become "less aware" over the last few years?

>and you may not have discussed grossman,
>but i did.

Good for you.

>yes, i'm saying ken o'brien should be judged as more aware
>than phil simms if that what the data shows.

Then yes, you really are the dumbest motherfucker on these boards.

>after all, with
>all of the categories that comprise the overall QB ratings,
>simms will still correctly come out on top, you dumb bitch.

O'Brien's QB rating is higher than Simms' too, you dumb bitch.

>the entire point of this thread is that black QBs were
>willfuly and blatantly ganked in the awareness and accuracy
>categories DESPITE the stats on which these ratings are based.
>and my guess is that were reduced in these categories because
>they cannot be denied in the speed, agility and quickness
>categories. IT'S FUCKING RACIST!

I said that I agreed that in general alot of the ratings were racist, dumbass.

>means nothing to me. not white.

You call people cheese-eyes. you white.

>i'd love to be confronted by your faggot ass so you can run
>back to this board and confirm how black i am after i fuck you
>up.

LOL - you must've thought it was white boy day.

It ain't white boy day, is it?

Nah mah, it ain't white boy day.

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- Riley Escobar

>>well, over the last few years, garcia has been some shit
>>compared to brooks.
>
>So did Garcia somehow become "less aware" over the last few
>years?

yes, he has, you dumb bitch.


>>after all, with
>>all of the categories that comprise the overall QB ratings,
>>simms will still correctly come out on top, you dumb bitch.
>
>O'Brien's QB rating is higher than Simms' too, you dumb
>bitch.

sure...his career rating. and that's do to one big year he had in 85. simms was more consistent. so, as far as i'm concerned, o'brien should have been given superior ratings to simms on madden 86, based on the years they had.

>>the entire point of this thread is that black QBs were
>>willfuly and blatantly ganked in the awareness and accuracy
>>categories DESPITE the stats on which these ratings are
>based.
>>and my guess is that were reduced in these categories
>because
>>they cannot be denied in the speed, agility and quickness
>>categories. IT'S FUCKING RACIST!
>
>I said that I agreed that in general alot of the ratings were
>racist, dumbass.

then, you admit to just being a petty faggot?


>>means nothing to me. not white.
>
>You call people cheese-eyes. you white.

this is about jordan? and how's is "cheese eyes" racist?

>>i'd love to be confronted by your faggot ass so you can run
>>back to this board and confirm how black i am after i fuck
>you
>>up.
>
>LOL - you must've thought it was white boy day.

you'd lose

scientific fact.

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- Riley Escobar

Unbelievable.

Its actually encouraging.

I didn't know you had it in you.

I got your steez figured out: You are instinctively conservative/moderate around black people, but turn Farrakhan around wiggers. It dosen't make much sense, but I do sense a pattern.

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O_E: Your Super-Ego's Favorite Poster.


"Any fighter that I face, I say prayers for them every night and that he and I live to fight another day."

(C) Floyd Mayweather Jr

Unbelievable.

It's depressing actually.

I didn't know you had so little self-respect.

I guess even the biggest supposed revolutionaries have their price though.

>I got your steez figured out: You are instinctively
>conservative/moderate around black people, but turn Farrakhan
>around wiggers. It dosen't make much sense, but I do sense a
>pattern.

No, I instinctively clown race-baiting idiots regardless of color. You, however, reflexively accuse white people of racism when they disagree with you, but let them call black people niggas as long as they buy your arguments. Kind of a paradox, but then again so is most of your logic, so what the hey.


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- Riley Escobar

*Yawn*

>No, I instinctively clown race-baiting idiots regardless of
>color. You, however, reflexively accuse white people of racism
>when they disagree with you, but let them call black people
>niggas as long as they buy your arguments. Kind of a paradox,
>but then again so is most of your logic, so what the hey.

Dog, you've been misrepresenting my arguments on these boards forever. You pigeonhole everyone with politics left of yours as a "radical" and fling sappy, commercial, publically approved commentary with regularity, while holding onto your black card for legitimacy(recall "Pat Tillman deserves SI Sportsman of the Year").

You regularly accuse me of saying things I didn't say(To reference Tillman again, I merely said he wasn't helping the world and was better off at home with his wife and child), and suggest that I'm "really a racist" while your commentary, more direct and inflammatory than mine, is "just for fun."

You've poked fun at my childhood, my neigborhood, the whole nine, all because of some sports disagreements.

Its you who be on some below-the-belt shit. Not me. I can clown a cat just for fun. You try and bring real-world shit into it, because you can't do nothing else.

You are a quintessential bitch.ass.nigga.

Period.

Get a backbone, and go tan for a decade, and we'll take you back.

Lol.





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O_E: Your Super-Ego's Favorite Poster.


"Any fighter that I face, I say prayers for them every night and that he and I live to fight another day."

(C) Floyd Mayweather Jr

>Dog, you've been misrepresenting my arguments on these boards
>forever. You pigeonhole everyone with politics left of yours
>as a "radical" and fling sappy, commercial, publically
>approved commentary with regularity,

Nigga please. I don't misrepresent your arguments, I just expose your ignorance and hypocricy. You've been a self-righteous race-baiting instigator since day one. You accuse everyone who doesn't think every minute aspect of sports, movies, politics, and life in general is a racial conspiracy as a "naive whiteboy/uncle tom/conservative/sellout/etc." and spout overblown, empty radical-chic rhetoric along with personal attacks and insults 24/7, so GTFOOHWTBS.

>while holding onto your
>black card for legitimacy(recall "Pat Tillman deserves SI
>Sportsman of the Year").

LMAO! *YOU* of all people is gonna accuse someone of playing the black card? YOU?!?!? Really? LOL! Fucking comedy, son.

Now, when did I say anything about my race in regards to the Tillman issue? In fact, when have I ever dropped the black card except when I was directly challenged on it by race-baiting idiots like you and this basaglia clown? Oh that's right, I haven't; that's your thing, not mine. And as everyone on here knows, you throw that shit around in every fucking argument, so miss me with that bullshit.

>You regularly accuse me of saying things I didn't say(To
>reference Tillman again, I merely said he wasn't helping the
>world and was better off at home with his wife and child),

No, you regularly say shit and lie about it later. To reference Tillman again, you said alot more than that: you disparaged his enlistment as a Ramboesque machismo stunt, said he wasn't over there to fight terrorists and died a meaningless death, etc. And for the millionth time Tillman didn't have any children, which just goes to show that despite your claims to the contrary, you don't give a damn about him or his family and are just cynically using them to further your own agenda. Pathetic. At least be honest about it like 3X and say you don't give a fuck about them, instead of being such a two-faced hypocrite.

>suggest that I'm "really a racist" while your commentary, more
>direct and inflammatory than mine, is "just for fun."

You are really a racist. And all I did is call him a whiteboy/yt - you say that shit on the regular, and have made far more direct and inflammatory comments than that. And furthermore, this isn't just someone who happens to think that Aaron Brooks is less aware in the pocket than Drew Bledsoe or whatever other reasonable, innocuous sports argument that you try to blow up into a racial conspiracy; this is a whiteboy calling me nigga, so I'll clown him all day and call him whatever the fuck I want, and be 1,000,000,000 times more justified than anytime you've ever ridiculed white posters on here.

And the fact that you're actually defending him and instead attacking me for my response to his incredibly inappropriate comments just exposes the depth of your hypocricy.

>You've poked fun at my childhood, my neigborhood, the whole
>nine, all because of some sports disagreements.
>
>Its you who be on some below-the-belt shit. Not me. I can
>clown a cat just for fun. You try and bring real-world shit
>into it, because you can't do nothing else.

LOL - is this supposed to be a joke? You poked fun at my personal background, my neighborhood, & the whole nine to begin with, and now you're whining like a bitch because I fought fire with fire? Every debate we get into YOU are the one who resorts to the personal attacks, not me, because you get frustrated when I shoot down your bullshit arguments every time. So if you can't take the heat keep your punk ass out the kitchen, cuz karma's a bitch, bitch.

>You are a quintessential bitch.ass.nigga.
>
>Period.
>
>Get a backbone, and go tan for a decade, and we'll take you
>back.
>
>Lol.

You are a quintessential hoe-ass emo-thug.

Grow some cojones, and stop sucking up to wiggers, and we'll give you back your black card to inject racial histrionics into each and every mundane sports debate again.

LOL.

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- Riley Escobar

>Nigga please. I don't misrepresent your arguments, I just
>expose your ignorance and hypocricy. You've been a
>self-righteous race-baiting instigator since day one. You
>accuse everyone who doesn't think every minute aspect of
>sports, movies, politics, and life in general is a racial
>conspiracy as a "naive whiteboy/uncle
>tom/conservative/sellout/etc." and spout overblown, empty
>radical-chic rhetoric along with personal attacks and insults
>24/7, so GTFOOHWTBS.

You began this paragraph with "I don't misrepresent your arguments", and than do exactly that in the following 3 sentences. At least seperate your contradictions with a placeholding sentence or something. Shit.

Orbit_Established actually posts about hundreds off different topics, has hundreds of different opinions, on a hundred different things.

Because I'm an egg that folks can't crack, however, Okay hoecakes like you either outright lie about what I say or attempt to pigeonhole me as the inflammatory race-baiter. That way you won't actually ever have to engage my points....you can simply dismiss them as "Orbit is racebaiting again...he's irrational, and I can ignore him."

In the rare occastion that you do engage me(like in this thread) you get your ass tore to pieces. My arguments in this thread are 100% logical. There isn't a single grain of irrationality in them. Just check them.

>Now, when did I say anything about my race in regards to the
>Tillman issue? In fact, when have I ever dropped the black
>card except when I was directly challenged on it by
>race-baiting idiots like you and this basaglia clown? Oh
>that's right, I haven't; that's your thing, not mine. And as
>everyone on here knows, you throw that shit around in every
>fucking argument, so miss me with that bullshit.

Misrepresentation.

I discuss race thoroughly. I discuss it on many levels, cite evidence, listen to both sides, and defend myself virorously, using logic. No holy books, no Nuwabian Moors....hell...I don't even use the Isis Papers.

In fact, for a "race-baiter" I actually do very little "race-baiting."

I happen to think racism is a major problem, and that its legacy affects many corners of our society. I point them out, and discuss how/why racism is impacting such and such a situation. Its really rather innocuous. What is not innocuous is your inability to counter me properly.

YOU, on the other hand, say that people have "blood of a slave master, heart of a cracka."

Not O_E.

>No, you regularly say shit and lie about it later. To
>reference Tillman again, you said alot more than that: you
>disparaged his enlistment as a Ramboesque machismo stunt, said
>he wasn't over there to fight terrorists and died a
>meaningless death, etc.

HIs enlistment *was* a Ramboesque machismo stunt.

He *was* killed by his own troops.

He "didn't* die ridding the world of evil.

Just ask the folks in London.

But see....

I am a human being, and I actually mourn for all of our troops (oddly, I said this before too, but of course, it dosen't fit into the Straw_Orbit you've constructed, so by al means, do ignore).

I also think you are a sappy, pussy-faced, backboneless bitch for not being able to....no...for not even TRYING to sniff out the obviously fishy circumstances under which he was killed, details THAT I FUCKING CALLED THE MINUTE HE WAS KILLED AND WAS LABELLED 'EVIL' and 'WICKED' FOR -- the US government HID THE DETAILS FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES SO THAT FLIP FLOPPY SLUTS LIKE YOU COULD SAY SHIT LIKE "HE'S AN AMERICAN HERO"...."HE DESERVES SI SPORTSMAN OF THE YEAR"

What a spineless piece of vulnerable rat shit you are, and the US government made a total bitch out of you. Hell, Tillman's FAMILY IS MORE MILITANT AND PISSED AT THE US GOVERNMENT THAN YOU ARE.

You gullable panty bunched man slut.

Ha ha.

>And for the millionth time Tillman
>didn't have any children, which just goes to show that despite
>your claims to the contrary, you don't give a damn about him
>or his family and are just cynically using them to further
>your own agenda. Pathetic. At least be honest about it like 3X
>and say you don't give a fuck about them, instead of being
>such a two-faced hypocrite.

*ahem*

I've had/have friends stationed in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

*THEY* didn't ask to go.

*THEY* want to take their ass home.

*THEY* know they aren't fighting evil or to make the world safer.

*I* agree with them.

*I* want them to bring their asses home.

*TILLMAN* willfully went.

*I* think that is a mistake.

*I* called him out on it.

*YOU* call my having an honest opinion "furthering my own agenda""

*YOU* are a sappy, flip-floppy substanceless moderate bitch, and a hoe ass nigga to boot.

*I* am Orbit_Established.

And

*YOU* lost.

>You are really a racist. And all I did is call him a
>whiteboy/yt - you say that shit on the regular, and have made
>far more direct and inflammatory comments than that.

Lol? Right.

When have I ridiculed a white person for their whiteness alone, suggested that I am, in any way, superior to them, or belittled them, specifically because of their race?

Didn't think so.

But Straw_Orbit, on the other hand, makes Khalid Mohammed(R.I.P.) look like Ward Connerly.

>LOL - is this supposed to be a joke? You poked fun at my
>personal background, my neighborhood, & the whole nine to
>begin with, and now you're whining like a bitch because I
>fought fire with fire?

Motherfucker, I don't know anything about your childhood, and don't want to. All the ammunition I need to ever clown you sits directly in your posts.

Every debate we get into YOU are the
>one who resorts to the personal attacks, not me, because you
>get frustrated when I shoot down your bullshit arguments every
>time. So if you can't take the heat keep your punk ass out
>the kitchen, cuz karma's a bitch, bitch.

Right. You shoot down my arguments. Just like in this thread, right?

Lol.

>You began this paragraph with "I don't misrepresent your
>arguments", and than do exactly that in the following 3
>sentences. At least seperate your contradictions with a
>placeholding sentence or something. Shit.

Contradictions? Oh, you mean like "Aaron Brooks makes a trillion worse decisions than Drew Bledsoe, but he's no less aware"? LOL - yeah ok.

And prove how I've misrepresented one argument of yours. Just one.

>Orbit_Established actually posts about hundreds off different
>topics, has hundreds of different opinions, on a hundred
>different things.

And somehow all those myriad different topics and opinions all boil down to racial conspiracies - funny how that works.

>Because I'm an egg that folks can't crack, however, Okay
>hoecakes like you either outright lie about what I say or
>attempt to pigeonhole me as the inflammatory race-baiter. That

You ARE an inflammatory race-baiter. That's your whole raison d'etre on here, and everyone knows it. It's what you're singularly known for, because that's all you ever fucking do.

And prove one thing where I lied about what you said.

>way you won't actually ever have to engage my points....you
>can simply dismiss them as "Orbit is racebaiting again...he's
>irrational, and I can ignore him."

Except that I DID engage your point, and said that I actually agree that there's some underlying racism in the ratings overall. But when you base your argument on Brooks' awareness you look like a reactionary idiot, particularly when you contradict your own criteria that you used to make your case.

>In the rare occastion that you do engage me(like in this
>thread) you get your ass tore to pieces. My arguments in this
>thread are 100% logical. There isn't a single grain of
>irrationality in them. Just check them.

I did check them, and I proved that you don't even stand by your own statistical criteria for "awareness." You see, for your arguments to be at all logical, they have to be consistent. Yours are not. Unless you want to make a case for Ken O'Brien being more aware than Phil Simms.

>>Now, when did I say anything about my race in regards to the
>>Tillman issue? In fact, when have I ever dropped the black
>>card except when I was directly challenged on it by
>>race-baiting idiots like you and this basaglia clown? Oh
>>that's right, I haven't; that's your thing, not mine. And as
>>everyone on here knows, you throw that shit around in every
>>fucking argument, so miss me with that bullshit.
>
>Misrepresentation.

No, misrepresentation is you saying I held onto my black card for legitimacy in the Tillman debate, when I didn't say anything about race in regards to that issue at all.

You, however, can't likewise show how I've misrepresented any of your arguments.

>I discuss race thoroughly. I discuss it on many levels, cite
>evidence, listen to both sides, and defend myself virorously,
>using logic. No holy books, no Nuwabian Moors....hell...I
>don't even use the Isis Papers.

You listen to both sides? LOL - good one.

You discuss race shallowly, cite unconvincing evidence, use contradictory logic, and defend yourself with ad hominems.

>In fact, for a "race-baiter" I actually do very little
>"race-baiting."

You actually do it in just about every post.

>I happen to think racism is a major problem, and that its
>legacy affects many corners of our society. I point them out,
>and discuss how/why racism is impacting such and such a
>situation. Its really rather innocuous. What is not innocuous
>is your inability to counter me properly.

It is a major problem, and pointing out instances and discussing how/why racism is impacting them is rather innocuous. What is not innocuous is you playing the race card for every fucking situation under the sun whether or not racism actually has anything to do with it.

So if you want to argue about how racism truly affects our society, in education, employment, housing, etc - you know, things that actually matter - then cool. If you want to discuss it as it pertains to the sports world, such as the lack of minorities in coaching and front-office positions or something that's an actual problem in sports, then fine.

But if you want to cry racism when Sammy Sosa gets booed when he's hitting .240, or Boggs getting more pub than Gwynn during a decade when he hit 20 points higher, or Brooks being considered as having low awareness because he throws the fucking ball BACKWARDS, then you just come off as a whiny self-righteous bitch.

Which of course is your right if you want to be a whiny bitch, but the problem is that crying wolf at every little bullshit situation like that makes it damn near impossible to have a serious discussion on racism.

>YOU, on the other hand, say that people have "blood of a slave
>master, heart of a cracka."
>
>Not O_E.

I only say that to white people who drop the n-word on me and blatantly disrespect YOUR ancestors by claiming he has the "blood of a slave". YOU, on the other hand, sit there grinning like an Uncle Tom and actually APPLAUD the person making those horribly inappropriate and offensive comments, and instead attack ME for taking him to task for it.

Yet you call people naive whiteboys over mundane sports disagreements. What a gutless, hypocritical phony you are.

>HIs enlistment *was* a Ramboesque machismo stunt.

Based on what? Because you say so? Whatthefuckever. Why don't you actually show *how* it was a Ramboesque machismo stunt, like him saying "I'm gonna go kick some Middle-Eastern ass" or something, not just your horribly biased and wholly unsubstantiated opinion.

>He *was* killed by his own troops.

So were about 20% of US casualties in WWII. I guess they all died meaningless deaths as well - why don't you go over to Normandy and piss on their graves too while you're at it?

>He "didn't* die ridding the world of evil.
>
>Just ask the folks in London.

Uh, he didn't die looking for WMD in Iraq, he died tracking down al qaeda forces along the Afghan/Pakistani border - you know, where the people who actually attacked us are. You're the idiot equating one with the other, not me.

Just ask the folks in London who they blame: Pat Tillman, or Tony Blair.

>I am a human being, and I actually mourn for all of our troops
>(oddly, I said this before too, but of course, it dosen't fit
>into the Straw_Orbit you've constructed, so by al means, do
>ignore).

Pissing on Tillman's grave is a rather odd way to mourn him. And the blatant cynicism of your crocodile tears for the troops is revoltingly hypocritical. Like I said, at least be honest about it like 3X instead of being such a gutless two-faced bitch.

>I also think you are a sappy, pussy-faced, backboneless bitch
>for not being able to....no...for not even TRYING to sniff out
>the obviously fishy circumstances under which he was killed,
>details THAT I FUCKING CALLED THE MINUTE HE WAS KILLED AND WAS
>LABELLED 'EVIL' and 'WICKED' FOR

Bitch please. What fishy circumstances did you call? All you said is generalizations about him not being over there fighting evil, blah blah blah - You didn't say shit about any actual details of the account of his death being fishy, you lying, craven, vagina-lipped cunt.

>-- the US government HID THE
>DETAILS FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES SO THAT FLIP FLOPPY SLUTS LIKE
>YOU COULD SAY SHIT LIKE "HE'S AN AMERICAN HERO"...."HE
>DESERVES SI SPORTSMAN OF THE YEAR"

More misrepresentations: I never said "he's an American hero", I simply said I respected what he did. And the details of his death don't change that at all; if SI had given him sportsman of the year he'd still deserve it, certainly more than the fucking Red Sox.

But self-righteous douchebags like you want to exploit the government's lies about his death so you can denigrate Tillman himself and say shit like "it was a Ramboesque machismo stunt"... "he died a meaningless death", as if he had anything to do with the cover-up sham.


>What a spineless piece of vulnerable rat shit you are, and the
>US government made a total bitch out of you. Hell, Tillman's
>FAMILY IS MORE MILITANT AND PISSED AT THE US GOVERNMENT THAN
>YOU ARE.
>
>You gullable panty bunched man slut.
>
>Ha ha.

What a self-righteous sack of dog shit you are. Who said I wasn't pissed at what the government did? I'm pissed at that just like Tillman's parents, but that reflects badly on the GOVERNMENT, not Tillman himself. And it certainly isn't gonna make me piss on his grave while feigning sorrow for him and concern for his parents and non-existant child.

You cynical two-faced shemale whore.

>>And for the millionth time Tillman
>>didn't have any children, which just goes to show that
>despite
>>your claims to the contrary, you don't give a damn about him
>>or his family and are just cynically using them to further
>>your own agenda. Pathetic. At least be honest about it like
>3X
>>and say you don't give a fuck about them, instead of being
>>such a two-faced hypocrite.
>
>*ahem*
>
>I've had/have friends stationed in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

What the fuck does that have to do with you lying about Tillman having a child?

>*THEY* didn't ask to go.

*THEY* didn't get drafted either. Nobody forced them to enlist.

>*THEY* want to take their ass home.
>
>*THEY* know they aren't fighting evil or to make the world
>safer.

Good for them.

>*I* agree with them.
>
>*I* want them to bring their asses home.

The Nobel committee will surely be nominating you for the Peace Prize, Ghandi.

>*TILLMAN* willfully went.
>
>*I* think that is a mistake.

*YOUR FRIENDS* willfully enlisted in the military.

*I* think that is a mistake if they didn't want to be deployed overseas.

>*I* called him out on it.
>
>*YOU* call my having an honest opinion "furthering my own
>agenda""

Thinking it was a mistake is fine - I've debated other people who thought that on here civilly and respected their honest opinion. However denigrating it as a Ramboesque machismo stunt, misrepresenting what he was doing there, lying about him leaving behind a child, etc. is cynically furthering your own agenda.

>*YOU* are a sappy, flip-floppy substanceless moderate bitch,

Hey, you sound exactly like Ann Coulter - good job.

>and a hoe ass nigga to boot.

*YOU* are a gutless, two-faced, intellectually dishonest, faux radical poseur.

AND a bitch ass emo-thug hoebag to boot.

>*I* am Orbit_Established.

... which is one of the most herbish usernames ever, btw.

>When have I ridiculed a white person for their whiteness
>alone, suggested that I am, in any way, superior to them, or
>belittled them, specifically because of their race?
>
>Didn't think so.

Only the 1,000,001 times or so you've called people naive whiteboys over innocuous sports disagreements.

But I'd like you to point out when have I ever ridiculed a white person for their whiteness alone. (note: ridiculing n-word dropping wiggers isn't ridiculing someone for their whiteness alone)

Didn't think so.

>But Straw_Orbit, on the other hand, makes Khalid
>Mohammed(R.I.P.) look like Ward Connerly.

No, but Basaglia_Established makes Ward Connerly look like Khalid Muhammed.

>Motherfucker, I don't know anything about your childhood, and
>don't want to.

Yeah, you're too obsessed with my ethnicity to worry about that.

>All the ammunition I need to ever clown you
>sits directly in your posts.

I suppose that's why you needed to cyberstalk me to dig up personal information to use for ammunition, huh?

>Right. You shoot down my arguments. Just like in this thread,
>right?
>
>Lol.

Yup. Unless you come up with a compelling argument for Ken O'Brien being a more aware QB than Phil Simms.

LOL.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Your nerd jokes mean nothing to me. I gotta go keep it real."

- Riley Escobar

Go for the radial artery, and use a razor.

Do us both a favor.

>Contradictions? Oh, you mean like "Aaron Brooks makes a
>trillion worse decisions than Drew Bledsoe, but he's no less
>aware"? LOL - yeah ok.

*Thunderous applause*

You open your response with a misrepresentation of something I said. Sort of bodes for how shitty rest of this post might be. No fun for me.

Like I just told you, I said "Aaron Brooks might make a trillion worse decisions than Drew Bledsoe" to make that point that any claim in the universe might be true, but you actually must provide evidence for it. You cited two plays last year. Two. Over the past four years, Brooks threw less picks per TD, threw for more yards, threw at a comparable completion percentage, was sacked less per pass attempt, and loses no more games with an inferior defense to the one that Bledsoe plays with.

*I* provided *SOME* evidence.

Not *ALL* the evidence. But *SOME*

*YOU* provided *NO* evidence.

You see, its sort of like if someone were to say "40thStreetBlack is a good poster."

It might be true. The problem is, he's lying, keeps re-using the same Ken O'Brien argument that has absolutely, positively, specifically, not a gatdamn thing to do with Bledsoe versus Brooks specifically, and plus, he(40th) is overall a bitch ass nigga. The last part, while true, is just salt in the wound. The real problem here is that you cannot properly provide evidence for the 17% difference between Bledose and Brooks.

Hell, you say below that you can't do that, nor never said you were trying to.

But I won't let you off the hook that easily.....

>And prove how I've misrepresented one argument of yours. Just
>one.

Read above.

>And somehow all those myriad different topics and opinions all
>boil down to racial conspiracies - funny how that works.

You've managed to lie in consecutive points in your retort post. Why don't you lie and say like...I cheat on my taxes or something....you know...something that isn't verifiable and therefore hard to defend myself against. Your lies are ineffective and too easy to refute.

I have several posts on the board right now, that are everything but discussions of "racial conspiracies." I'm just a regular brother most of the time.

Now when I encounter pussies like you, oh yea, I can breath flames.

>You ARE an inflammatory race-baiter. That's your whole raison
>d'etre on here, and everyone knows it. It's what you're
>singularly known for, because that's all you ever fucking do.

Uh, yeah. That is all I ever do.

You win.

Lol.

>Except that I DID engage your point, and said that I actually
>agree that there's some underlying racism in the ratings
>overall. But when you base your argument on Brooks' awareness
>you look like a reactionary idiot, particularly when you
>contradict your own criteria that you used to make your case.

Uh.

Did you not just say that you don't intend to argue that there is justification for a 17% difference in awareness between Bledose and Brooks? Do you yourself not agree that is a *bit* high?

Than why do you exist on the planet?

Really?

I mean, jump out of a window, and ease your burden on my eco system, you worthless, maginal human being.

>I did check them, and I proved that you don't even stand by
>your own statistical criteria for "awareness." You see, for
>your arguments to be at all logical, they have to be
>consistent. Yours are not. Unless you want to make a case for
>Ken O'Brien being more aware than Phil Simms.

Brought back Ken O'Brien, I see. Dug that corpse up.

You can bury him again:

I never, ever, ever, ever, said that all measures of QB greatness were relegated to quantitative measures. In fact, I INVITED YOU to provide some situations to explain the 17% disparity in Awareness ranking.

In the case of Simms/O'Brien, I can point to Simms' Superbowl victory and exquisite playoff performances. I can point to the fact that actually, Ken O'Brien had TWO WIDE RECIEVERS better than ANY RECEIVER that Simms EVER HAD(Toon and Wesley Walker were BOTH better than like....Bobby Johnson and Phil Mackonkey).

Its Phil Simms awareness specifically that re-invigorated the tight end position--Simms' best target was Bavaro. Before Bavaro. no NFL tight end had put up big numbers since Kellen Winslow Sr. who was a super athlete in an electric offensie. Bavaro was not in Winslow's class athletically. Bavaro did, however, play with a smart QB who knew how to fire it underneath.




God damn.

That was fucking beautiful.



>No, misrepresentation is you saying I held onto my black card
>for legitimacy in the Tillman debate, when I didn't say
>anything about race in regards to that issue at all.

That actually isn't what I meant, but you are doing bad enough in this post, so allow me to say I'm sorry for not phrasing that point correctly.

*pats on head*


>It is a major problem, and pointing out instances and
>discussing how/why racism is impacting them is rather
>innocuous. What is not innocuous is you playing the race card
>for every fucking situation under the sun whether or not
>racism actually has anything to do with it.

LOL.

Well, me and you BOTH AGREE that there are racial undertones in the rankings of NFL
players in a VIDEO GAME.

So we BOTH actually fit way on the left of the race baiter curve relative to most of the people on this BOARD. I'm not even going to discuss where we stand relative to teh average American.

Just count the number of white people IN THIS THREAD who agree that the rankings are indicative of racism.

Stop counting.

Yep.

>So if you want to argue about how racism truly affects our
>society, in education, employment, housing, etc - you know,
>things that actually matter - then cool. If you want to
>discuss it as it pertains to the sports world, such as the
>lack of minorities in coaching and front-office positions or
>something that's an actual problem in sports, then fine.

Lol.

Uh. 99% of my race commmentaries are regarding the above topics specifically. But please, continue construction of the Straw_Orbit.

>But if you want to cry racism when Sammy Sosa gets booed when
>he's hitting .240, or Boggs getting more pub than Gwynn during
>a decade when he hit 20 points higher, or Brooks being
>considered as having low awareness because he throws the
>fucking ball BACKWARDS, then you just come off as a whiny
>self-righteous bitch.

Ah...there's Straw_Orbit. How you been buddy?


How about this:

1) The Sosa situation in Chicago might not have been a racial situation, but its far from obsurd for one to want to speculate, given what I hear about Chicago. Chicago white people might not be Bostonians, but they aren't Bay Area-ites either.

2) You don't lie about my arguments?

Oh.

Because I don't recall saying that Tony Gwynn got less pub than Boggs because of race alone.

I recall mentioning the size of the markets, the relative importance of the Red Sox to baseball as compared to the Pardes, etc.

But its more fun when you lie.

Lol.

3)You don't lie about my arguments part Deux?

Oh.

Because I don't recall suggesting that Aaron Brooks was more aware than Drew Bledose.

I only said there wasn't evidence for the MAGNITUDE OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

And you just agreed with me below. You just told me that you don't care to argue that there is evidence for Bledsoe being 17% more aware.

So, have you slit your wrist yet?

>Which of course is your right if you want to be a whiny bitch,
>but the problem is that crying wolf at every little bullshit
>situation like that makes it damn near impossible to have a
>serious discussion on racism.

Uh. Okay.

Actually, smart people can have intelligent conversations with O_E.

Its the "smart people" thing that seems to be your obstacle.


>Based on what? Because you say so? Whatthefuckever. Why don't
>you actually show *how* it was a Ramboesque machismo stunt,
>like him saying "I'm gonna go kick some Middle-Eastern ass" or
>something, not just your horribly biased and wholly
>unsubstantiated opinion.

Man leaving a profession that one loves, to want to go "fight terrorists", voluntarily, without an understanding of the facts, the complications of the situation, without regard for his family, without questioning the swift, irrational way that the Afghanistan "war" was started.......that is "ramboesque-Machismo" to me.

But oddly, I actually *DID* say that I respect people who place some social situation ahead of sports. Again, this dosen't fit in with Straw_Orbit, so ignore.

My beef was the *SPECIFICS* behind Tillman's actions.

*NOT* that he acted.

Is the blood gushing yet?

>So were about 20% of US casualties in WWII. I guess they all
>died meaningless deaths as well - why don't you go over to
>Normandy and piss on their graves too while you're at it?

DOH!!!

Orbit is pissing on WWII Veteran graves by questioning the legitmacy of the Afghan retaliation, and the actions of someone I belive didn't consider the political situation into which he was immersing himself.

HOW "UN-AMERICAN" OF ME!!!!!!

You are officially the most spineless son of a bitch I have ever come across.

Ever.

In history.

The fighers in World War II were actualy fighting a man that was dangerously close to conquering all of Europe and Asia, had already killed 10 million civillians(more than half through the deliberate genocide of ethnic Jews)

For you to even conjure this argument in a discussion about Pat Tillman and the Afghanistan situation is.......first and foremost just a terrible argument(that thankfully, I've shat on) but more importantly, is very neo-conservative. As you recall, ain't that how Bushy rationalized all thie bullshit post 9/11? That we might be dealing with our generations Hitler?

Dude, you make me really want to beat your ass. Seriously.

I think your in the tri-state.

I might have to hop on a train and knock the terrible views from your soul.

>Pissing on Tillman's grave is a rather odd way to mourn him.
>And the blatant cynicism of your crocodile tears for the
>troops is revoltingly hypocritical. Like I said, at least be
>honest about it like 3X instead of being such a gutless
>two-faced bitch.

"Pissing on Tillman's grave."

Wow.

Yeah, that is what criticism of US foreign policy, and a cross examination of the actions of anyone who follows it blindly is.

Nice way to elminate dialogue on the topic, Mr. Rumsfield.

>More misrepresentations: I never said "he's an American hero",
>I simply said I respected what he did. And the details of his
>death don't change that at all; if SI had given him sportsman
>of the year he'd still deserve it, certainly more than the
>fucking Red Sox.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*gasp*

*gasp*

*gasp*

But seriously....

*gasp*

You talk about my ignorance in not know exactly what was going on in the mind of
Pat Tillman--do you know, speficially, that he wanted to rid the world of evil? Or do you simply know that he wanted to go fight in Afghanistan? Not the same animial. In fact, there are lots of rich people who don't like evil in this world, and work tirelessly to eliminate evil in the world. Very few run and try to fight with their hands. Not because they are scared, but because....well...did anyone actually *ask* Tillman to fight? Or did Tillman run and fight, completely unsolicited?

Hmm.

>But self-righteous douchebags like you want to exploit the
>government's lies about his death so you can denigrate Tillman
>himself and say shit like "it was a Ramboesque machismo
>stunt"... "he died a meaningless death", as if he had
>anything to do with the cover-up sham.

Actually, it did.

The entire Afghan "war" was conocted because we needed someone to blame and retaliate against after 9/11. We figured it was an easy government to knock down, so we knocked it down, and the US people temporarily felt retribution. Even our piss poor CIA intelligence understood that the terror network extended far past the caves of Afghanistan. But that wasn't *really* the point. We needed a victory, to feel powerful. People light years less radical than I even agree....mostly because what I'm saying is right.

>*THEY* didn't get drafted either. Nobody forced them to
>enlist.

Yikes.

This is in refernce to friends of mine stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In case you didn't know, a lot of kids enlist in the military for reasons that *DON'T* have to do with wanting to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Kids are like....are poor....and disenfranchised....and want to be a part of something....and want money for college....and want respect.....you know, things like that.

So actually, we should feel sympathy for kids who are getting blown to pieces.....a lot of them want nothing to do with war. A lot of them want the GI Bill, or to make a good living for themselves.

Jeebus.

And I'm the insenstive one.

Now you're implying that we shouldn't feel sympathy for kids fighting overseas because "they enlisted."

Callous, retarded, or both.


>... which is one of the most herbish usernames ever, btw.

Orbit_Established?

Well I'm not the one with slit wrists and bad arguments.

And I get hoes.

>Only the 1,000,001 times or so you've called people naive
>whiteboys over innocuous sports disagreements.

Lying. Cute.

>Yeah, you're too obsessed with my ethnicity to worry about
>that.

I don't even know your ethnicity, and don't care.

You are definately at least half-idiot-ese though.

>Yup. Unless you come up with a compelling argument for Ken
>O'Brien being a more aware QB than Phil Simms.

Wait...what does Ken O'Brien have to do with Pat Tillman? Or....the Aaron Brooks debate, you know, the one where you just said you don't think there exists sufficient evidence to argue for the 17% disparity in awareness ranking?

Or what do any of your arguments have to do with anything?

And who the fuck iz you?

And how long before that blood leaks out and the world is one person less wack?

I don't want your death on my conscience.

>You open your response with a misrepresentation of something I
>said. Sort of bodes for how shitty rest of this post might
>be. No fun for me.

So you can't stand by your own words - nothing new here.

>Like I just told you, I said "Aaron Brooks might make a
>trillion worse decisions than Drew Bledsoe" to make that point
>that any claim in the universe might be true, but you actually
>must provide evidence for it.

Nigga please. You said "So, yes, Aaron Brooks might actually make a trillion worse decisons than Drew Bledsoe. I just happen to find those hard to focus on when:", and then listed your "evidence" for his awareness; that is recognizing that he makes tons of mistakes, and then making excuses for why you don't think they matter. So stop lying already.

>Over the past four years, Brooks threw less picks per
>TD, threw for more yards, threw at a comparable completion
>percentage, was sacked less per pass attempt, and loses no
>more games with an inferior defense to the one that Bledsoe
>plays with.
>
>*I* provided *SOME* evidence.
>
>Not *ALL* the evidence. But *SOME*

But is all that evidence of "awareness" specifically, or rather overall effectiveness? See, I could make the same argument for Favre - over the last 4 seasons Favre threw less picks per TD, threw for more yards, threw at a significantly higher completion percentage, was sacked half as much, and won alot more games than Brooks. Yet you said that Favre having higher awareness numbers doesn't stand up to any scrutiny at all, when according to the very criteria you cited it does.

And therein lies the problem with relying on those statistics for judging "awareness"; Favre still puts up great numbers across the board, but does that mean he's been showing great "awareness" as of late? I think we can all agree that is not the case. Which means that those numbers you're basing your argument on don't necessarily make a compelling assessment of "awareness."

THAT IS ALL I WAS SAYING.

Rather simple, actually. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

>*YOU* provided *NO* evidence.

For the millionth time: my argument was not to prove that Brooks is unaware, it was to prove that your evidence was unconvincing.

THAT IS ALL.

>You see, its sort of like if someone were to say
>"40thStreetBlack is a good poster."
>
>It might be true. The problem is, he's lying,

The problem is, you keep saying that, but you can't actually show any instance where I lied.

>the same Ken O'Brien argument that has absolutely, positively,
>specifically, not a gatdamn thing to do with Bledsoe versus
>Brooks specifically,

IT'S THE SAME FUCKING CRITERIA *YOU* BASED YOUR ARGUMENT FOR "AWARENESS" ON!!!

>The real problem here is that you cannot properly provide
>evidence for the 17% difference between Bledose and Brooks.

That would only be a problem if I worked for EA Sports. When they start sending me paychecks I'll let you know.

>Hell, you say below that you can't do that, nor never said you
>were trying to.
>
>But I won't let you off the hook that easily.....

How about actually showing where I ever even made that argument? Then you can bait that hook, sport.

>>And prove how I've misrepresented one argument of yours.
>Just
>>one.
>
>Read above.

No, I said prove how *I* misrepresented your argument, not how you misrepresented your own argument because you can't stand by your own words.

>You've managed to lie in consecutive points in your retort
>post.

You've managed to repeatedly accuse me of lying and then failed to show anything that I lied about. Which makes you the liar.

>Why don't you lie and say like...I cheat on my taxes or
>something....you know...something that isn't verifiable and
>therefore hard to defend myself against. Your lies are
>ineffective and too easy to refute.

You mean like you not being a real Yankee fan? LOL

>I have several posts on the board right now, that are
>everything but discussions of "racial conspiracies." I'm
>just a regular brother most of the time.

Yeah, a regular Conspiracy Brother. Except a *lot* less funny than Chappelle was in that movie.

>Now when I encounter pussies like you, oh yea, I can breath
>flames.

Nah, that's from some shit you caught sucking Basaglia's dick.

>Uh, yeah. That is all I ever do.
>
>You win.

Is that not what you're known for on here? I'm hardly the first person to say that. Or the second. Or third. Or fourth. Or fifth. Or sixth. Or......

>Did you not just say that you don't intend to argue that there
>is justification for a 17% difference in awareness between
>Bledose and Brooks? Do you yourself not agree that is a *bit*
>high?

See, you didn't merely argue against the 17% difference, you said Brooks is *no less aware* than Bledsoe. THAT IS ALL I WAS FUCKING TALKING ABOUT. Jesus Christ you are a dense motherfucker.

>I mean, jump out of a window, and ease your burden on my eco
>system, you worthless, maginal human being.

'Twan, you seem to be dwelling on thoughts of suicide alot. Call the hotline - please. They have some very nice people there who can help you with your emotional problems.

>I never, ever, ever, ever, said that all measures of QB
>greatness were relegated to quantitative measures.

You said that awareness is, which is what we are discussing here.

>In fact, I
>INVITED YOU to provide some situations to explain the 17%
>disparity in Awareness ranking.

How about you invite the good folks at EA Sports to cut me a check, and I'd be happy to play that little game.

>In the case of Simms/O'Brien, I can point to Simms' Superbowl
>victory and exquisite playoff performances. I can point to the
>fact that actually, Ken O'Brien had TWO WIDE RECIEVERS better
>than ANY RECEIVER that Simms EVER HAD(Toon and Wesley Walker
>were BOTH better than like....Bobby Johnson and Phil
>Mackonkey).

And I can point to the fact that Simms played on a FAR superior team, had a FAR better offensive line protecting him than O'Brien, and played behind a DOMINATING defense that allowed him to play in a smart ball-control offense, while O'Brien played behind a shitty defense where he was continually forced to try to make things happen offensively.

>Its Phil Simms awareness specifically that re-invigorated the
>tight end position--Simms' best target was Bavaro.

LOL - I think Bavaro himself might have had a little something to do with it.

>Bavaro. no NFL tight end had put up big numbers since Kellen
>Winslow Sr. who was a super athlete in an electric offensie.
>Bavaro was not in Winslow's class athletically. Bavaro did,
>however, play with a smart QB who knew how to fire it
>underneath.

Oh, so Simms *did* have a great reciever who put up big numbers after all? I thought he was throwing to a bunch of scrubs.

(And btw, are you related to the Winslows or something? Cuz you jock them like they bought you a house and a Benz and shit)

>That actually isn't what I meant, but you are doing bad enough
>in this post, so allow me to say I'm sorry for not phrasing
>that point correctly.

Well that's actually exactly what you said, but I know how you have trouble saying what you mean and meaning what you say, so I'll let that one slide.

>Well, me and you BOTH AGREE that there are racial undertones
>in the rankings of NFL
>players in a VIDEO GAME.
>
>So we BOTH actually fit way on the left of the race baiter
>curve relative to most of the people on this BOARD. I'm not
>even going to discuss where we stand relative to teh average
>American.

But I thought that I "pigeonhole everyone with politics left of yours as a "radical" and fling sappy, commercial, publically approved commentary with regularity"?

See, isn't it more refreshing to just be honest?

>Just count the number of white people IN THIS THREAD who agree
>that the rankings are indicative of racism.
>
>Stop counting.
>
>Yep.

You mean counting Basaglia? LOL

>Uh. 99% of my race commmentaries are regarding the above
>topics specifically.

On here? Hardly.

>But please, continue construction of the
>Straw_Orbit.

No can do, that's your job. Union rules and such.

>Ah...there's Straw_Orbit. How you been buddy?

I'm picturing the DeNiro talking to himself in the mirror scene from Taxi Driver right now. Except your acting is much, much, much less believable.

>1) The Sosa situation in Chicago might not have been a racial
>situation, but its far from obsurd for one to want to
>speculate, given what I hear about Chicago.

Ah, so you were basing that whole argument on nothing more than conjecture and hearsay? As Lionel Hutz would say, "Well, your Honor, we've got plenty of hearsay and conjecture... those are *kinds* of evidence."

>Chicago white
>people might not be Bostonians, but they aren't Bay Area-ites
>either.

For someone who decries pidgeonholeing people, you certainly do it a heck of alot.

>Because I don't recall saying that Tony Gwynn got less pub
>than Boggs because of race alone.
>
>I recall mentioning the size of the markets, the relative
>importance of the Red Sox to baseball as compared to the
>Pardes, etc.
>
>But its more fun when you lie.

Funny, I don't recall saying you claimed race was the sole factor. But you did think race was a factor, right? You simply forgot the part where Boggs hit almost 20 points higher in that decade, which obviates any further need to explain the discrepancy. But its more fun when you lie AND make retarded arguments at the same time.

>3)You don't lie about my arguments part Deux?
>
>Oh.
>
>Because I don't recall suggesting that Aaron Brooks was more
>aware than Drew Bledose.

And I don't recall suggesting that you did, so please stop lying already.

>I only said there wasn't evidence for the MAGNITUDE OF
>DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

No, you also said Brooks was NO LESS AWARE THAN BLEDSOE. Funny how you keep conveniently forgetting that point.

>And you just agreed with me below. You just told me that you
>don't care to argue that there is evidence for Bledsoe being
>17% more aware.

That's not agreeing with you, it's simply pointing out that I never engaged in that argument at all.

>So, have you slit your wrist yet?

1-800-SUICIDE

You don't even need a quarter, it's toll-free.

>Actually, smart people can have intelligent conversations with
>O_E.
>
>Its the "smart people" thing that seems to be your obstacle.

Sure thing, Herr Heisenberg.

>Man leaving a profession that one loves, to want to go "fight
>terrorists", voluntarily, without an understanding of the
>facts, the complications of the situation, without regard for
>his family, without questioning the swift, irrational way that
>the Afghanistan "war" was started.......that is
>"ramboesque-Machismo" to me.

Wow, that's alot of personal insider info you seem to know about someone you never met and who never made any public statements about any of that stuff.

"without an understanding of the facts, the complications of the situation" - and you know this how?

"without regard for his family" - and you know this how? (At least you've finally stopped lying about his non-existant child though)

"without questioning the swift, irrational way that the Afghanistan "war" was started"

The way it *started* was not particularly swift or irrational (more below)

And once again, he was on the Afghan-Pakistani border - are you saying there were never any terrorists there? And if not, then what the fuck are you even saying, bitch?

>But oddly, I actually *DID* say that I respect people who
>place some social situation ahead of sports. Again, this
>dosen't fit in with Straw_Orbit, so ignore.

WTF? You're really getting delusional now.

>Orbit is pissing on WWII Veteran graves by questioning the
>legitmacy of the Afghan retaliation, and the actions of
>someone I belive didn't consider the political situation into
>which he was immersing himself.
>
>HOW "UN-AMERICAN" OF ME!!!!!!

Uh, no, you are pissing on WWII Veteran graves by belittling being KIA by friendly fire - approximately 21,000 WWII Veterans' graves in fact (probably more). Not to mention WWI, Korea, Vietnam, etc, etc.

>You are officially the most spineless son of a bitch I have
>ever come across.

You're the most gutless two-faced hoe ass bitch I've ever come across.

>The fighers in World War II were actualy fighting a man that
>was dangerously close to conquering all of Europe and Asia,
>had already killed 10 million civillians(more than half
>through the deliberate genocide of ethnic Jews)

Thanks for the history lesson, professor. But Hirohito was the one dangerously close to conquering Asia, and we didn't go to war with Germany to stop Hitler from killing the Jews. Try getting your history lessons from more reliable sources than Speilberg movies.

>For you to even conjure this argument in a discussion about
>Pat Tillman and the Afghanistan situation is.......first and
>foremost just a terrible argument(that thankfully, I've shat
>on) but more importantly, is very neo-conservative. As you
>recall, ain't that how Bushy rationalized all thie bullshit
>post 9/11? That we might be dealing with our generations
>Hitler?

Your reading comprehesion skills are even more off than your history; I brought up the fighters in World War II on the basis of CASUALTIES FROM FRIENDLY FIRE, not all this bullshit your babbling about.

>Dude, you make me really want to beat your ass. Seriously.
>
>I think your in the tri-state.
>
>I might have to hop on a train and knock the terrible views
>from your soul.

LOL @ this emo-hoe ass nigga trying to get his e-thug on. Straight comedy.

>Yeah, that is what criticism of US foreign policy, and a cross
>examination of the actions of anyone who follows it blindly
>is.

"Ramboesque machismo stunt" is pissing on his grave. Other people were able to make much more eloquent and compelling criticisms of the situation without resorting to juvenile pejoratives.

>Nice way to elminate dialogue on the topic, Mr. Rumsfield.

Asking for civility in the debate isn't eliminating dialogue, Mr. Rove.

>*gasp*
>
>*gasp*
>
>*gasp*
>
>But seriously....
>
>*gasp*

So now you're a Red Sox fan I see. GO SAWKS!!!

>You talk about my ignorance in not know exactly what was going
>on in the mind of
>Pat Tillman--do you know, speficially, that he wanted to rid
>the world of evil? Or do you simply know that he wanted to go
>fight in Afghanistan? Not the same animial. In fact, there are
>lots of rich people who don't like evil in this world, and
>work tirelessly to eliminate evil in the world. Very few run
>and try to fight with their hands. Not because they are
>scared, but because....well...did anyone actually *ask*
>Tillman to fight? Or did Tillman run and fight, completely
>unsolicited?
>
>Hmm.

You certainly enjoy hearing yourself talk, don't you? Why don't you let me know when your done talking to yourself and want to discuss what I was actually saying.

>>But self-righteous douchebags like you want to exploit the
>>government's lies about his death so you can denigrate
>Tillman
>>himself and say shit like "it was a Ramboesque machismo
>>stunt"... "he died a meaningless death", as if he had
>>anything to do with the cover-up sham.
>
>Actually, it did.

"It did" what? You need to clarify here, cuz your syntax is a little off.

>The entire Afghan "war" was conocted because we needed
>someone to blame and retaliate against after 9/11. We
>figured it was an easy government to knock down, so we knocked
>it down, and the US people temporarily felt retribution.

Wait, so did or did not Al Qaeda in fact carry out the 9/11 attacks? Did or did not Afghanistan harbor Bin Laden and Al Qaeda? Did or did not the Taliban refuse to hand them over? This isn't concocting non-existant WMD in Iraq, there were in fact very logical reasons to go into Afghanistan.

>our piss poor CIA intelligence understood that the terror
>network extended far past the caves of Afghanistan. But that
>wasn't *really* the point. We needed a victory, to feel
>powerful. People light years less radical than I even
>agree....mostly because what I'm saying is right.

Wow, you actually admit that there's a terror network now! Good, that's a start. The CIA intelligence itself is actually pretty good (what's done with that intelligence is another story), and it understood that Afghanistan was in fact the nerve center of the terror network. Unlike Iraq, Afghanistan was in fact a valid strategic target.

Now, the way the war in Afghanistan has been conducted is problematic to say the least, but people saying that there were no valid reasons to go into Afghanistan are either true pacifists (which I can respect) or incredibly naive (which doesn't particularly bother me either, unless they're of the obnoxious self-righteous variety like you)

>This is in refernce to friends of mine stationed in Iraq and
>Afghanistan.

Yes, and not a one of them got drafted. They all enlisted willingly with the understanding that they could be sent to war.

>In case you didn't know, a lot of kids enlist in the military
>for reasons that *DON'T* have to do with wanting to fight in
>Iraq and Afghanistan.

But they knew that the purpose of the military is to fight wars, right? They understood that's what all the guns and tanks and bullets and stuff was for, right? I mean they didn't exactly join the Peace Corps, now did they?

>Kids are like....are poor....and disenfranchised....and want
>to be a part of something....and want money for college....and
>want respect.....you know, things like that.
>
>So actually, we should feel sympathy for kids who are getting
>blown to pieces.....a lot of them want nothing to do with war.
>A lot of them want the GI Bill, or to make a good living for
>themselves.

And they were willing to take those things in exchange for agreeing to fight where the US government tells them to fight. If they wanted nothing to do with war the US military probably wasn't the best career choice for them.

>Now you're implying that we shouldn't feel sympathy for kids
>fighting overseas because "they enlisted."

I implied no such thing. I just stated the facts.

>Callous, retarded, or both.

You're definitely both.

>>... which is one of the most herbish usernames ever, btw.
>
>Orbit_Established?

Unless your name is John Glenn, then yeah. Very much so.


>Well I'm not the one with slit wrists and bad arguments.

I'm not the one crying about his childhood and defending Aaron Brooks' awareness.

>And I get hoes.

And you have to pay for them. Loser.

>>Only the 1,000,001 times or so you've called people naive
>>whiteboys over innocuous sports disagreements.
>
>Lying. Cute.

It's true. Everyone knows it, so I don't know who you think you're kidding.

>I don't even know your ethnicity, and don't care.

LOL - yeah right. You certainly knew and cared when you went cyberstalking me to dig it up and speculated on its effect on my sex life, you pervert stalker hoe.

>You are definately at least half-idiot-ese though.

Nah, cuz in half-idiot-ese they say things like 'Somalians' - LOL.

>Wait...what does Ken O'Brien have to do with Pat Tillman?

Exactly - so why the fuck did you bring Tillman into this debate again?

>Or....the Aaron Brooks debate, you know, the one where you
>just said you don't think there exists sufficient evidence to
>argue for the 17% disparity in awareness ranking?

I just said that? Don't lie - lies make the baby Jesus cry.

>Or what do any of your arguments have to do with anything?

If you stopped constructing strawman arguments and actually engaged the actual arguments I made you'd know.

>And who the fuck iz you?

Check your cyberstalker files, bitch.

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"Your nerd jokes mean nothing to me. I gotta go keep it real."

- Riley Escobar

Seeing that it takes you three years to come up with these replies, I am flattered, yet disappointed. Google couldn't do any better than this?

In a single post, you manage to admit that you don't have an argument at all, convert from flip-flopper to Centrist Democrat, and remind me why I call you the "five-tool bitch ass nigga."

>Nigga please. You said "So, yes, Aaron Brooks might actually
>make a trillion worse decisons than Drew Bledsoe. I just
>happen to find those hard to focus on when:", and then listed
>your "evidence" for his awareness; that is recognizing that he
>makes tons of mistakes, and then making excuses for why you
>don't think they matter. So stop lying already.

Err.

No.

That is a sarcastic pun at your inability to provide me actual evidence that Aaron Brooks is relatively unaware. Again, he could, in theory, be half as unaware as Drew Bledsoe. Problem is, nothing in the actual game of football backs that up, at least in the evidence that you have provided.

But this gets better....

>But is all that evidence of "awareness" specifically, or
>rather overall effectiveness? See, I could make the same
>argument for Favre - over the last 4 seasons Favre threw less
>picks per TD, threw for more yards, threw at a significantly
>higher completion percentage, was sacked half as much, and won
>alot more games than Brooks. Yet you said that Favre having
>higher awareness numbers doesn't stand up to any scrutiny at
>all, when according to the very criteria you cited it does.

Aha.

But here is where you are wrong.

Brett Favre does not have an awareness rating in the 90s.

Aaron Brooks does.

Brett Favre does not have an awareness rating lower than Patrick Ramsey. Or Eli Manning. Aaron Brooks, does.

Brett Favre's awareness rating was held to a different standard than Aaron Brooks'.

That was actually part of the point.

>And therein lies the problem with relying on those statistics
>for judging "awareness"; Favre still puts up great numbers
>across the board, but does that mean he's been showing great
>"awareness" as of late? I think we can all agree that is not
>the case. Which means that those numbers you're basing your
>argument on don't necessarily make a compelling assessment of
>"awareness."

Oh?

Recall for me where I said that statistics were the only way to judge "awareness?"

I'm listening.

You can't?

Oh, so you're lying?

What else is new.

Lol.

>For the millionth time: my argument was not to prove that
>Brooks is unaware, it was to prove that your evidence was
>unconvincing.

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You are the biggest PUSSY ON EARTH!!!

MOTHAFUCKA, GIVE ME A REAL WAY...A REAL WAY...ONE THAT I HAVEN'T SUGGESTED ALREADY, TO GAUGE "AWARENESS???"

YOUR BITCH ASS CONJURED *TWO* plays to argue for why Brooks was unaware.

Amazing, because NEITHER PLAY was as dumb as HALF OF BRETT FAVRE'S INTERCEPTIONS, or the ERRANT LAUCH WHICH COST THEM A SUPERBOWL BIRTH A FEW YEARS AGO!!!Amazing, because Tom Brady SINGLE HANDEDLY LOST A GAME with a single play LAST YEAR.

But that is besides the POINT: SINGLE PLAYS ARE NOT EVIDENCE.

"Awareness" is to be judged COMPREHENSIVELY.

And your bitch, pussy ass hasn't provided a motherfucking GRAIN OF EVIDENCE AT ALL.

You simply don't like me, and felt the need to try and hate, even though you admittedly don't have an argument at all.


>THAT IS ALL.

You got damn right it is.

Non-argument having motherfucker.

You mean to tell me, your entire presence in this thread is to remind me that my awareness criteria is less than perfect? Odd because your awareness criteria or NON EXISTENT. You haven't argued AT ALL. I've at least ATTEMPTED to have discourse about it.

You see, YOU AGREE that the rankings are racist.

Problem is, in order to AGREE WITH THAT you must provide EVIDENCE FOR WHY the rankings are OFF BALANCE.

*I* have attempted to do that.

*YOU* havent.

>See, you didn't merely argue against the 17% difference, you
>said Brooks is *no less aware* than Bledsoe. THAT IS ALL I WAS
>FUCKING TALKING ABOUT. Jesus Christ you are a dense
>motherfucker.

Oh?

So Bledsoe is more aware than Brooks? I'm open to that interpretation.

Good.

Fresh, clean slate.

Now provide me some evidence for the claim.

If you cannot, than you are still a bitch ass nigga.

>'Twan, you seem to be dwelling on thoughts of suicide alot.
>Call the hotline - please. They have some very nice people
>there who can help you with your emotional problems.

Stole my joke and lame-i-fied it.

*shrugs*

If you notice, I'm keeping my clowning relegated to your (non) arguments. I'll try to leave personal shit out of it...prolly won't last long, but I'll try.

>And I can point to the fact that Simms played on a FAR
>superior team, had a FAR better offensive line protecting him
>than O'Brien, and played behind a DOMINATING defense that
>allowed him to play in a smart ball-control offense, while
>O'Brien played behind a shitty defense where he was
>continually forced to try to make things happen offensively.

Cool. Ken O'Brien did have it rough.

>Oh, so Simms *did* have a great reciever who put up big
>numbers after all? I thought he was throwing to a bunch of
>scrubs.

Actually, he had a great tight end. And not a big play tight end. But a guy who could catch the 8 yard dump pattern and drag tacklers.

Not a guy who could stretch a defense(Wesley Walker) or go over the middle and snag anything(AL Toon).

Admit it, I'm nice.

>(And btw, are you related to the Winslows or something? Cuz
>you jock them like they bought you a house and a Benz and
>shit)

Uh.

Winslow Sr is by far the most talented receiving Tight End in league history(with all due respect to Shannon Sharpe and Ozzie Newsome).

He actually *deserves* the respect.

>But I thought that I "pigeonhole everyone with politics left
>of yours as a "radical" and fling sappy, commercial,
>publically approved commentary with regularity"?

Oh yeah, you do that regularly.

You just made the mistake of openly agreeing with me in this thread.

You didn't even mean to. You just couldn't find anything to disagree with, and were backing down like a bitch early in this exchange. I caught it.

>I'm picturing the DeNiro talking to himself in the mirror
>scene from Taxi Driver right now. Except your acting is much,
>much, much less believable.

That wasn't funny. Just a note.

>For someone who decries pidgeonholeing people, you certainly
>do it a heck of alot.

Difference:

I summarize regions of the country based on actual events and history.

You pigeonhole based on your inability to effectively counter anything I argue.

Just like in this thread.

>Funny, I don't recall saying you claimed race was the sole
>factor. But you did think race was a factor, right? You simply
>forgot the part where Boggs hit almost 20 points higher in
>that decade, which obviates any further need to explain the
>discrepancy. But its more fun when you lie AND make retarded
>arguments at the same time.

Er.

I didn't say race was a factor.

On Tillman....

>And once again, he was on the Afghan-Pakistani border - are
>you saying there were never any terrorists there? And if not,
>then what the fuck are you even saying, bitch?

Don't semi-lie.

Lie.

Say that I said there were no terrorists on the Afghan-Pakistani border.

>Uh, no, you are pissing on WWII Veteran graves by belittling
>being KIA by friendly fire - approximately 21,000 WWII
>Veterans' graves in fact (probably more). Not to mention WWI,
>Korea, Vietnam, etc, etc.

Good. Back to lying.

When did I specifically belittle the act of being Killed in Action?

I'm talking about Tillman's decision to drop work, his family, and vollunteer for a military operation where the intentions of the US involvement were far less than pristine.

This is a *little* bit different than 18 year old kids being shipped out there because they've enlisted with the hope of getting doe for college.

And a *little bit* different than thousands of Americans being drafted to fight a military power that swallows European nations.

And a *little bit* different than kids drafted to fight in a "skirmish" to quell the spread of communism.

And you are a *lot bit* of a fucking pansy bitch with political views worse than your sports views.


I'm nice.


>Thanks for the history lesson, professor. But Hirohito was the
>one dangerously close to conquering Asia, and we didn't go to
>war with Germany to stop Hitler from killing the Jews. Try
>getting your history lessons from more reliable sources than
>Speilberg movies.

Wow.

You're an idiot.

So I guess the whole 'Stalingrad' battle wasn't that big of a deal then.

Just a note:
Stalingrad was such an important battle, a tide-turner, because it halted Hitler's eastward advance. If Hitler had captured Stalingrad, Russia would have fallen much easier, and with Russian under Nazi Germany, most of the rest of Asia would have been far easier to conquer. Far easier. Its not even up for debate. Russia was the portal to Asia.

Asshole.

Oh, and you lied again. I actually didn't say that we went to war specifically because Hitler was killing Jews. I only pointed that detail out to remind you that an 18 year old kid being drafted to fight hilter and being KIA is different than a rich guy vollunteering to invade Afghanistan under the Bush administration. The two situations aren't comparable.

But that is almost irrelevant because I actually *said* I mourned for Tillman.

What I said was I'm not buying the whole "American hero"..."SI Sportsman of the Year" bullshit.

That is what I actually said.

But let's not start telling the truth now.

>LOL @ this emo-hoe ass nigga trying to get his e-thug on.
>Straight comedy.

No, I'm actually quite serious. All this homo shit talking has got to lead to somewhere. I say we box or something.

>"Ramboesque machismo stunt" is pissing on his grave.

No, it isn't. Pointing out a bad decision and calling what it is does not mean that Tillman *deserved* to die. He didn't. Not at all.

I'm merely calling bad behavior, bad behavior.

The outcome of that behavior shouldn't change how we perceive the behavior.

You see, this is why Orbit_Established is so difficult to dupe politically--he stays consistent.

You, on the otherhand, have the backbone of a Jellyfish. You don't call shit how it is, unless white America informs you that its the right way to go. Like the Tillman case -- there is NO REASON ON EARTH that he should get SI Sportsman of the year.

NONE.

NONE.

Even if your respect the act of one striving to achieve something outside the realm of monetary gain or fame(which I openly have), that is no excuse to behave as if Tillman's acts went on in a political vacuum.

Admit it. I'm right.

> Other
>people were able to make much more eloquent and compelling
>criticisms of the situation without resorting to juvenile
>pejoratives.

"Juvenile pejoratives."

So its my wording that's wrong now, not my argument?

I get it.

Continue to change your argument as you observe mine strengthening.

>Wait, so did or did not Al Qaeda in fact carry out the 9/11
>attacks? Did or did not Afghanistan harbor Bin Laden and Al
>Qaeda? Did or did not the Taliban refuse to hand them over?
>This isn't concocting non-existant WMD in Iraq, there were in
>fact very logical reasons to go into Afghanistan.

*applause*

Okay. We're getting somewhere now.

I disagree, but I can at least disagree with a run-of-the-mill centrist Democrat, not the flip-flopper that you've been in the past.

Cool.

>Wow, you actually admit that there's a terror network now!
>Good, that's a start.

Lie.

This is what I mean.

When you are unable to actually debate me, you've got to resort to this.

O_E never said there was not a terrorist network, faggot.

>The CIA intelligence itself is actually
>pretty good (what's done with that intelligence is another
>story),

Uh.

That all fits under the umbrella of "intelligence."

"Intelligence" ain't "Intelligent" if the information is fumbled around and allowed to sit and go bad on a kitchen counter, you dumb hooker.

>and it understood that Afghanistan was in fact the
>nerve center of the terror network. Unlike Iraq, Afghanistan
>was in fact a valid strategic target.

I could have told you that 8 years ago.

>Now, the way the war in Afghanistan has been conducted is
>problematic to say the least,

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SEEN.EVER.

Motherfucker, "the way the war in Afghanistan has been conducted" IS PART OF THE PROBLEM YOU FUCKING IMBECILE. THAT IS THE MAJOR POINT OF CONTENTION.

ANYONE CAN MAKE THE BLANKET STATEMENT:


Al-Qaeda did 9/11.
Al-Qaeda is in Afghanistan.
Let's go into Afghanistan.


But unfortunately for simplistic dickheads like you, the story ISN'T THAT FUCKING SIMPLE.

There is that little problem called:

*HOW* the operation was carried out, and WHAT THE *HOW* communicates
ABOUT THE INTENTIONS OF THE INVASION, THE THINKING OF THE ADMINISTRATION WHO PLANNED THE INVASION.

Its really not different than the Iraq war in that sense.

Sadaam Hussein is a homicidal, diabolical tyrant and the world is better off without him running any country, let alone a huge, oil-rich country in a strategic location.

Going by those FACTS there *WAS* a reason to go into Iraq.

The problem was not only the *REASONS* but the *WAY* the Iraq was was STARTED, the lies used to rationalize it, etc.

The *HOW* communicates A LOT about the event.

>but people saying that there
>were no valid reasons to go into Afghanistan are either true
>pacifists (which I can respect) or incredibly naive (which
>doesn't particularly bother me either, unless they're of the
>obnoxious self-righteous variety like you)

No, most people recognize that Afghanistan is a less than great place, and the Taliban was a less-than-great government that none of us would miss.

What most opponents understand is that a *REASON* to go into Afghanistan was the *BEGINNNING*. The *HOW* is often just as important. And according to you, there were problems with the *HOW*

>Yes, and not a one of them got drafted. They all enlisted
>willingly with the understanding that they could be sent to
>war.

Unbelievable.

>But they knew that the purpose of the military is to fight
>wars, right? They understood that's what all the guns and
>tanks and bullets and stuff was for, right? I mean they didn't
>exactly join the Peace Corps, now did they?

Unbelievable.

>And they were willing to take those things in exchange for
>agreeing to fight where the US government tells them to
>fight. If they wanted nothing to do with war the US military
>probably wasn't the best career choice for them.

Wow.

>I'm not the one crying about his childhood and defending Aaron
>Brooks' awareness.

Ah.

My childhood again. Pull that card...PULL IT.

Lol.

>LOL - yeah right. You certainly knew and cared when you went
>cyberstalking me to dig it up and speculated on its effect on
>my sex life, you pervert stalker hoe.

You don't have a sex life, but even if you did, I wouldn't talk about it, because your Pat Tillman arguments and Aaron Brooks non-arguments have more than enough material for me to clown.

>I don't get it. You're being petty.

I'm really not.

>But we can do this:
>
>Provide some reasons,
>
>Some real reasons,

Oh, you mean like the "real" reasons you gave in the Boggs/Gwynn debate? e.g. "It happened with other players, so it's *possible*; the numbers don't tell a compelling story", etc? I'd have thought you could appreciate arguments like that.

>As in reasons having to do with how Bledsoe plays the actual
>game of football, that justify Bledsoe having an awareness
>rating 17% percent higher than Aaron Brooks.
>
>Single plays don't count.

You know quite well that Brooks was known for making boneheaded plays long before the backwards pass. And a few weeks later he tossed the ball right at an incoming linebacker with nobody else in sight. So it's not a single play, Brooks makes boneheaded plays all the time.

>Sentiment dosen't count.
>
>"gut feelings" dont count.

I didn't say anything about "sentiment" or "gut feelings", I said boneheaded plays. Those count.

>You see,
>
>GUT FEELINGS are the feelings that are the most suceptible to
>race tinkering. They are the ones that we tend not to
>question.

So is it "race tinkering" that causes peoples' gut feeling that Simms was a more aware QB than O'Brien? Yeah, cuz everyone knows those dumb micks don't have the mental faculties to play QB.

>Bledose *appears* like a more cerebral quarterback.

I wouldn't call him "cerebral", I just don't think he's as prone to lose his head in a game as Brooks is. That doesn't exactly make him a genius.

>We all instinctively *feel* like he's more aware, has better
>instincts, etc.
>
>The actual facts, what he does in the actual game of football,
>when he puts on the shoulder pads, and has to play the game,
>don't back that up.
>
>AT ALL.

Again, I think you're mixing up awareness with overall effectiveness.

>Hell, Bledsoe has a higher fucking awareness rating than Dante
>Culpepper for chrissakes.
>
>This is the point.

Culpepper still hasn't shaken his reputation for being a fumble machine. Unfair? Probably. Racist? I dunno, maybe.... but he's only rated 1 point lower than Bledsoe so I don't really see the big deal there.

>And just for good measure I'll throw a radical black guy
>comment for you to get peeved about, Mr. Moderate:

The fact that I'm not a hysterical reactionary doesn't make me a moderate, Mr. Radical Revolutionary.

>I think we associate a certain look with a certain skill set.
>I think that if the 6'5 white, stoudt, stern-faced QB, and the
>young, flashy, black athletic quarterback make the same
>mistake, the error is attributed to a lack of intellect in one
>example more than the other.

That's funny, cuz Ryan Leaf fit that profile to a T and people thought he was dumb as a rock because of all the stupid mistakes he made.

So yes, that tends to be the case, but it's by no means an absolute. And as I said, I do agree with you *in general* here, just not in the particular case of Brooks.

>There. Go place that in with my "Pat Tillman should not be SI
>Sportsman of the Year"-brand of evil black guy comments.

You mean your "Pat Tillman is a Ramboesque machismo posturing idiot who abandoned his non-existent child because he wanted to go kill some swarthy foreigners and got what he deserved" comments?

>>Not
>>I actually agree with you on the racism thing in general
>here,
>>but Brooks is a bad example for you to point to, cuz his
>>awareness is actually pretty poor.
>
>Again, based on sentiments and feelings.

Again, based on boneheaded plays.

>What actually goes on in the game of football doesen't back
>that up.

Throwing the ball backwards 20 yards over the head of your offensive lineman backs that up.

>Brooks gained a total of 173 yards on the ground last year.
>
>KYLE BOLLER out-rushed Aaron Brooks last year.
>
>But see, the reason you appealed to Aaron Brooks' athleticism
>is the same reason you(and me, and EA Sports) instinctively
>think he has low "awareness."

So your argument is that Kyle Boller is more atheltic than Brooks? Come on dude. I appealed to Brooks' athleticism because he is, in fact, very athletic.

And are you actually admitting that you instinctively think Brooks has low awareness?

>Gut feelings.
>
>Brooks is actually *NOT* a scrambler, and hasn't been for
>several seasons. He *can* scramble, but is a pretty pure
>pocket passer, with a wicked slingshot arm, who is streaky,
>but when he's hot, is a pleasure to watch toss the football.

I didn't say he's a scrambler. I said he has great speed in the pocket, which he does. Certainly far better speed than Bledsoe.

>Of course "awareness" is not Jeff Garcia's problem.
>
>I guess his 10-9 TD-INT ratio had to do with his gayness or
>something.
>
>*shakes head*

I thought it had to do with his weak arm, sucky team, and advancing age. But what do I know, I tend to evaluate players based on their on-field performance instead of their rumored sexual preferences.

>Fair enough, but too bad there is not a single grain of actual
>evidence based on real football playing that you can point to
>that argues for Drew Bledose being's ranked 13 points higher
>in the awareness category.

How's this for a single grain of actual evidence based on real football playing: Bledsoe doesn't turn around and throw the ball 20 yards backwards towards offensive linemen.

>Hell, I'd shush if Bledsoe was say....4 points above. Maybe 5.
>
>
>But 13?
>
>That's just ridiculous, and unsubstantiated.

I think Favre being 9 points above McNabb and Vick within 2 points of Eli is much more ridiculous. But for some reason you prefer defending Aaron Brooks.

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Just a couple of notes.

1) Since you didn't bother last time....or any time for that matter, I'll just re-ask you the same question you've been avoiding:

Find me real, pure, actual evidence, of any kind(even if it is qualitative) that Aaron Brooks is 17% less aware a quarterback than Drew Bledsoe, and do so outside of pointing out two bonehead plays. If Bonehead plays were the justification for a 17% hit, than Brett Favre would have negative awareness points.

I want actual evidence, having to do with the games they play in, with the shoulder pads on, between 14:49 of the first quarter and 00:01 of the 4th quarter.

Do this on the backdrop of the understanding that Aaron Brooks

a)Wins as much or more than Bledsoe
b)Throws fewer interceptions
c)Throws for more yards and touchdowns
d)Completes passes at a comparable clip

2) Kyle Boller actually *is* more athletic than Aaron Brooks. He ran a 4.6/40 at the combine, and blistered all the other physical drills. In fact, his physical skills tests were closer to the Mcnabb/Vick class of athlete than they were to Brooks....well....perhaps not Vick, but certainly Mcnabb(ran a 4.5/40)

On the other hand, Aaron Brooks was special, not because of his athleticism, but because of his arm and height, and more classcial pocket passer skill set. Just like Marcus Vick relative to Michael Vick--They say that Marcus got his cousin's(Aaron Brooks) genes, and not his brother's(i.e. Marcus was supposed to a more pure pocket passer)

Like I said, you and a lot of other people make the reflexive mistake of not associating Kyle Boller with athleticism, and this non-association is similar to other assumptions, one of which is black quarterbacks and cerebral qualities.

>1) Since you didn't bother last time....or any time for that
>matter, I'll just re-ask you the same question you've been
>avoiding:

This is really quite funny coming from you.

>Find me real, pure, actual evidence, of any kind(even if it is
>qualitative) that Aaron Brooks is 17% less aware a quarterback
>than Drew Bledsoe, and do so outside of pointing out two
>bonehead plays.

Actually I gave you evidence, and you yourself admitted "So, yes, Aaron Brooks might actually make a trillion worse decisons than Drew Bledsoe." Since we all seem to agree on that point, I really don't see what the argument is here.

>If Bonehead plays were the justification for a
>17% hit, than Brett Favre would have negative awareness
>points.

See, THAT would be a good argument for you to make. I don't know why you're wasting your breath defending Brooks.

>I want actual evidence, having to do with the games they play
>in, with the shoulder pads on, between 14:49 of the first
>quarter and 00:01 of the 4th quarter.

I already gave you some. But I want actual evidence for why Simms was a more aware quarterback than O'Brien, not "Phil Simms won a Super Bowl and Ken O'Brien didn't."

>a)Wins as much or more than Bledsoe

When Brooks leads a team to the Super Bowl you can say that.

>b)Throws fewer interceptions
>c)Throws for more yards and touchdowns
>d)Completes passes at a comparable clip

You're confusing awareness for skill and overall effectiveness again - they are not one in the same.

>2) Kyle Boller actually *is* more athletic than Aaron Brooks.
>He ran a 4.6/40 at the combine, and blistered all the other
>physical drills. In fact, his physical skills tests were
>closer to the Mcnabb/Vick class of athlete than they were to
>Brooks....well....perhaps not Vick, but certainly Mcnabb(ran a
>4.5/40)

Brooks ran a 4.53 40, so there goes that theory.

>On the other hand, Aaron Brooks was special, not because of
>his athleticism, but because of his arm and height,

Arm strengh is part of athleticism.

>Like I said, you and a lot of other people make the reflexive
>mistake of not associating Kyle Boller with athleticism, and
>this non-association is similar to other assumptions, one of
>which is black quarterbacks and cerebral qualities.

No, YOU made that mistake by saying KYLE BOLLER (all caps!) actually had more rushing yards than Brooks, like it was a joke that he got outrun by a slow whiteboy. I never impugned Boller's athleticism, I just asked you WTF that had to do with anything.

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Okay, so you've managed to bring up Ken O'Brien at every dead end point in your debate, but I'll continue to ask you the exact same question, that you refuse to answer:

Just a couple of notes.

1) Since you didn't bother last time....or any time for that matter, I'll just re-ask you the same question you've been avoiding:

Find me real, pure, actual evidence, of any kind(even if it is qualitative) that Aaron Brooks is 17% less aware a quarterback than Drew Bledsoe, and do so outside of pointing out two bonehead plays. If Bonehead plays were the justification for a 17% hit, than Brett Favre would have negative awareness points.

I want actual evidence, having to do with the games they play in, with the shoulder pads on, between 14:49 of the first quarter and 00:01 of the 4th quarter.

Do this on the backdrop of the understanding that Aaron Brooks

a)Wins as much or more than Bledsoe
b)Throws fewer interceptions
c)Throws for more yards and touchdowns
d)Completes passes at a comparable clip

If and when you can justify those rankings, you'll have earned some respect.

Well...maybe not.

Especially because you agree with me, you just don't want to admit it in public.

Petty.

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"Any fighter that I face, I say prayers for them every night and that he and I live to fight another day."

(C) Floyd Mayweather Jr

>Okay, so you've managed to bring up Ken O'Brien at every dead
>end point in your debate,

Again, this is comically ironic coming from you. I brought up O'Brien because, unlike your wholly irrelevant conjuring of Trammel/Molitor/Kent/Deer at every dead end point in your Gwynn argument, the O'Brien comparison works perfectly here. You based your argument that Brooks is no less aware than Bledsoe on the criteria of TD/INT rate and completion %, yet you accept the prevailing notion that O'Brien was less aware than Simms when based on the same criteria O'Brien is actually superior to Simms. This proves your criteria system to be inept, and renders your entire argument moot.

>Especially because you agree with me, you just don't want to
>admit it in public.
>
>Petty.

I completely disagree with you on Brooks, as does everyone here who actually watches football. Meanwhile I've proved that you agree with me that your criteria for QB awareness is inept, you just don't want to admit it to anyone, even yourself. Pathological.

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you lost, dude. and you a fake type dude at that. i don't like niggas like you. you the type dude i used to mug at in the lunchroom in elementary school...type kid that only drank 2% milk. never liked chumps like you. i know a fake ass dude when i see one.

>you lost, dude. and you a fake type dude at that. i don't like
>niggas like you. you the type dude i used to mug at in the
>lunchroom in elementary school...type kid that only drank 2%
>milk. never liked chumps like you. i know a fake ass dude when
>i see one.

LOL @ a whiteboy posing as a black revolutionary on the internet calling me fake. You were not born a poor black child, Navin, and you never mugged at a black person in your life, so stop fronting. If you mad, do the angry white boy polka or something.

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thanks

Except your corner keeps sending you out at the bell.

Savages. They can't see what I did to your nose?

Anway,

Answer me a simple, simple, simple question:

Do you think that there is justificaiton for a 13(17%) point difference in awareness between Bledsoe and Brooks, based on their respective performances the last four years?

a)If you say no, then checkmate, O_E is right, and you're a bitch. A white bitch now, via Basaglia, but I'm not the bigot. You are.

b)If you say yes, provide me some real, on the field evidence, concrete evidence, that went on in the game of football. Of course, referencing two plays don't cut it. Provide a real argument using statistics, and/or qualitiative descriptions.

Of course, you cannot do part (B) because its not do-able. The disparity in ranking isn't substantiated, at all.

Do this with the understanding that O_E:

1)NEVER said Brooks was *more* aware than Bledsoe, or that Brooks was a particularly aware quarterback overall. I only said that he dosen't deserve the ranking of the QBs in his ranking class, and that is was odd that the QB with comparable stats, Bledsoe, has a score so much higher.

2)Wouldn't have complained if Bledose was say....5 points higher than Brooks. but the Bledsoe, along with the Favre,

3)In realiity, think Brooks is an underacheiver, and am therefore not a big fan.

See how fair, balanced, and ice-water I am?


So,

*Checkmate*

But i'm not done.

If this is going to be archived, I'll continue throwing jabs until your nose falls off if your corner is too stupid to throw in the towel.


>I completely disagree with you on Brooks, as does everyone
>here who actually watches football. Meanwhile I've proved that
>you agree with me that your criteria for QB awareness is
>inept, you just don't want to admit it to anyone, even
>yourself. Pathological.

>
>- Riley Escobar

I've clowned you, frustrated you, outsmarted you, and knocked your ass out in front of the whole world.

Check the rope-a-dope as I use your own attacks to beat you:

>Do you think that there is justificaiton for a 13(17%) point
>difference in awareness between Bledsoe and Brooks, based on
>their respective performances the last four years?

"So, yes, Aaron Brooks might actually make a trillion worse decisons than Drew Bledsoe."

Thanks for answering your own question for me, dumbass.

>a)If you say no, then checkmate, O_E is right, and you're a
>bitch. A white bitch now, via Basaglia, but I'm not the bigot.
>You are.

You already said yes - checkmate, 40th is right, and you're a bitch. Not quite a white bitch exactly, but kindof a bleached-out pseudo-white bitch purged of its blackness (a la Michael Jackson), via riding for a whiteboy calling black people niggas. Which makes you the racist, not me.

>b)If you say yes, provide me some real, on the field evidence,
>concrete evidence, that went on in the game of football. Of
>course, referencing two plays don't cut it. Provide a real
>argument using statistics, and/or qualitiative descriptions.
>
>Of course, you cannot do part (B) because its not do-able.
>The disparity in ranking isn't substantiated, at all.

Of course, I don't need to do part (B), because you already did it for me, via your own qualitative description that "yes, Aaron Brooks might actually make a trillion worse decisons than Drew Bledsoe."

Thanks again for that.

>Do this with the understanding that O_E:
>
>1)NEVER said Brooks was *more* aware than Bledsoe, or that
>Brooks was a particularly aware quarterback overall. I only
>said that he dosen't deserve the ranking of the QBs in his
>ranking class, and that is was odd that the QB with comparable
>stats, Bledsoe, has a score so much higher.

I never said you did, nor did I ever say that Bledsoe is 17% more aware than Brooks. I only disagreed with your argument that Brooks is no less aware than Bledsoe, proved that your evidence to that effect was inept, and suggested that there were better examples to make your overall point about the rankings.

>3)In realiity, think Brooks is an underacheiver, and am
>therefore not a big fan.

Yet you, along with other people who claim they aren't big fans of Brooks, continually defend him against criticism of his admittedly underachieving play. How odd.

>If this is going to be archived, I'll continue throwing jabs
>until your nose falls off if your corner is too stupid to
>throw in the towel.

I don't even need to throw punches to make your nose fall off, you keep purging your negritude like this and pretty soon your nose is gonna look like Michael Jackson's. Not a good look.

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'Rosewood' with a twist, that is.

The white bitch(you) lying(your entire posting strategy now), trying to blame it on a blackman(me) to save face in front of her husband(your white friends on OKP).

The only difference is that your white friends aren't lynching anyone, though I am on some Ving Rhames-shit in this motherfucker.

>>Do you think that there is justificaiton for a 13(17%) point
>>difference in awareness between Bledsoe and Brooks, based on
>>their respective performances the last four years?
>"So, yes, Aaron Brooks might actually make a trillion worse
>decisons than Drew Bledsoe."
>Thanks for answering your own question for me, dumbass.

So now that the Ken O'Brien argument has been buried(thank goodness), you've found something else, even worse, to latch onto and keep firing in order to not answer my very direct, fair question.

This is tiresome.

*Yawn*

I made the "Aaron Brooks might actually make a trillion worse decision" comment to make the point that in the hypothetical, wrong, universe that it was true, you still need to actually conjure some real statistics or evidence to back up the conjecture.

It was begging you to simply defend the proposition, or shut the fuck up. Pretty simple.

Sorta like saying:

"Yes, Aaron Brooks cut Kyle Turley's head off and drank his blood on the Saints' 33 yard line during week 12 in 2002."

You can't provide evidence for that having happened.

Just like you can't provide evidence for Aaron Brooks being significantly less aware than Drew Bledsoe.

That was my point.

But while you are lying, distorting and trying to save face, I'll be the bigger man, and reintroduce my very fair, very siimple, argument:

Provide me some data, some real data, some evidence, that went on in the actual game of football, with the shoulder pads on, in the last four years, that Aaron Brooks is 17% less aware than Drew Bledose. Not 10%. Not 5%. Not 17%.

Do the with the understanding that:

a)O_E is not suggesting that Aaron Brooks is a very aware quarterback, only that the actual evidence dosen't back up his *relative* low ranking.

b)O_E is not an Aaron Brooks fan.

If you cannot do this, than *checkmate*(again), O_E is right, and you are an even whiter bitch than before. A feisty white bitch. An Ann Coulter type white bitch, but a white bitch nonetheless.

If you can....wait..................well...............you can't.

You lost.

>You already said yes - checkmate, 40th is right, and you're a
>bitch. Not quite a white bitch exactly, but kindof a
>bleached-out pseudo-white bitch purged of its blackness (a la
>Michael Jackson), via riding for a whiteboy calling black
>people niggas. Which makes you the racist, not me.

Hey, Michael is still a 100% black man genetically.

You aren't.

Anymore, that is.

>Of course, I don't need to do part (B), because you already
>did it for me, via your own qualitative description that "yes,
>Aaron Brooks might actually make a trillion worse decisons
>than Drew Bledsoe."

Cute.

Hold onto that one, and keep firing it for a couple dozen other posts into you come up with something even worse.

How about my childhood or my upbringing? Its usually at this juncture that you start referencing arguments I had with other dudes 3 years ago.

Have at it.

I got soemthing for your ass this time(no homo).

>I never said you did, nor did I ever say that Bledsoe is 17%
>more aware than Brooks. I only disagreed with your argument

Than what is your fucking use on this planet?

What are you even around?

If you AGREE that there is NOT SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE THAT BLEDOSE IS 17% MORE AWARE than BROOKS, why do you exist? Why? Motherfucker, that is the single point we've been debating about for 100 posts! And I *DID* use OTHER examples other than Aaron Brooks and Bledsoe -- YOUR punk ass zoned in on that point, and I've still effectively bitch smacked you up and down this thread.

>I don't even need to throw punches to make your nose fall off,
>you keep purging your negritude like this and pretty soon your
>nose is gonna look like Michael Jackson's. Not a good look.

You already mentioned Michael Jackson, and you are losing this fight in a sweep in all three judges' scorecards.

And which one of your white hip-hoppy friends taught you the phrase "not a good look" ?

You even use it in a sentence properly.

Nice.


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(C) Floyd Mayweather Jr

(Bledsoe, of
>course, was a backup on the Patriot Super Bowl teams, just
>like he should have been).

Rohan Davey was a backup on the Patriot Super Bowl teams, plural. Bledsoe, of course, was a backup on ONE of the Pats' Super Bowl teams, 2001, though he did play most of the AFC Championship Game at Pittsburgh after Brady went out with an injury. He played quite well in fact, enough to generate a QB controversy leading up to the Super Bowl.

Bledsoe also started every game for the 1996 Super Bowl team. I can't recall Aaron Brooks leading his team to a Super Bowl.

Remedial NFL for Non-Watchers.

Remember, he had a shorn artery, and couldn't play until the AFC Championship. But if he were more Aware, Mo Lewis wouldn't have busted his chest.


MANG.

I mean, other than McNabb (and of course I suspect McNair's ratings are good and thusly are not posted despite a specific request), there isnt much argument on the one side but some of those caucasoid ratings are through the roof without any sort of explanation.

that you don't use the "one play" argument for Tom Brady when he lost the MNF game against the Dolphins on a bonehead play or Brett Favre's "lob pass" in OT versus the Eagles last year in the playoffs that lost the Packers the game.

See, that's what racism is.. Using a different standard to judge folx by.



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(C) Floyd Mayweather Jr

He had one of the 7 best season in league history last year despite the fact that he didn't have a feature back behind him and his best receiver was injured or didn't play damn near half the season.

I'd say pound for pound, his season was almost as impressive as Manning's, given his relative lack of weapons, etc.

In fact, I've seen few QBs ever who know how to bottle up their physical skills the way Culpepper does. He lets it fly when he wants, but surprisingly, dosen't force things the way we think. Just check his TD/INT ratio last year. Not bad for someone so "unaware."



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"Any fighter that I face, I say prayers for them every night and that he and I live to fight another day."

(C) Floyd Mayweather

besides his fumbleitis, cullpepper is arguably the best qb in the league.


"I buttfuck MC's" Pharoahe Monch

McNabb is a hell of a QB, but that doesnt mean his awareness should be at 99. I've seen him leave people open more often than i'd like.

If you could redo the list, what would u rank them? Awareness is knowing where everyone is at all times, reading defenses, etc. Doesnt mean the best QB or how many touchdowns they throw...

SIG RIGHT HERE (even tho im wasting my 255 characters in telling you...)

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and the melody settles beneath the fact that im just spitting for these kids..." - Aesop Rock

Last year was the first time he's shown good decision making imo. If he keeps it up this year, I would definitely consider him a good decison maker though.

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I love these cism posts. Pure Comedy

Seriously.

we usually hang out at.

>Seriously.

Debate the point, or shut the fuck up.

The enormously asinine responses that Basaglia baits white people into making are far worse than any of his arguments.



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"Any fighter that I face, I say prayers for them every night and that he and I live to fight another day."

(C) Floyd Mayweather Jr

>Debate the point, or shut the fuck up.

You're arguing the racial undertones of a MOTHERFUCKING VIDEO GAME.

Marinate on that.

Then, you, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Seriously.

Then we can discuss how the black hookers on Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas are treated worse than their white counterparts.

(Before you go into a caps lock laced tirade about this OE, please realize, it's a joke.)

the elderly on GTA are treated poorly as you can kick them to death far easier than young folks.

i've rarely played the game, but that i know is true.

>You're arguing the racial undertones of a MOTHERFUCKING VIDEO
>GAME.

WELL MUTHAFUCKA, WE ARGUE THE RACIAL UNDERSTONES OF SPORTS AS A WHOLE. SPORTS ARE AS IRRELEVANT TO LIFE AS VIDEO GAMES ARE TO LIFE. THE WORLD DOSEN'T CHANGE IF THE NUMBER OF BLACK NCAA DIVISION 1 FOOTBALL COACHES CHANGES FROM 5 TO 15 IN A YEAR. THAT DOSEN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT HAVING SO FEW BLACK COACHES IS WRONG WRONG WRONG AND THE LACK OF HIRING IS INDICATIVE OF RACISM. NO, WORLD POVERTY WOULDN'T SUBSIDE IF TY WILLINGHAM HAD KEPT HIS NOTRE DAME JOB, BUT THAT DON'T MEAN WE CAN'T CALL OUT RACISM IN RELATIVELY "UNIMPORTANT' REALMS WHEN WE SEE IT.

THE WHOLE "WHO CARES, THERE ARE PEOPLE STARVING IN CHINA" BULLSHIT IS ALL YOU FUCKFACES CAN COME UP WITH. DO FUCKING BETTER.

IF ITS OKAY TO BITCH ABOUT RACISM IN SPORTS, THAN ITS JUST FINE TO DISCUSS HOW THAT RACISM IS TRANPOSED TO ANOTHER MEDIUM.

ITS ACTUALLY 100% VALID.

>Marinate on that.


>Then, you, SHUT THE FUCK UP.
>
>Seriously.
>
>Then we can discuss how the black hookers on Grand Theft Auto:
>San Andreas are treated worse than their white counterparts.
>
>(Before you go into a caps lock laced tirade about this OE,
>please realize, it's a joke.)



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(C) Floyd Mayweather Jr

Playstation.

X-Box.

64 bits.

Get a grip.

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(C) Floyd Mayweather Jr

and what is the EA slogan? "If its in the game, its in the game." They didn't come up with this stuff on their own just for the game, its part of a larger view of the mentality about the real NFL. Its obvious in almost every game you watch, a white QB can make a bad throw and the announcers will make all kinds of excuses from the WR running the wrong route to the weather. A black QB can make the exact same throw but its almost always due to the fact that he couldn't READ the defense.

>and what is the EA slogan? "If its in the game, its in the
>game."

I completely forgot about that slogan.

Holy shit.

Very on point. Very ironic.

They didn't come up with this stuff on their own just
>for the game, its part of a larger view of the mentality about
>the real NFL. Its obvious in almost every game you watch, a
>white QB can make a bad throw and the announcers will make all
>kinds of excuses from the WR running the wrong route to the
>weather. A black QB can make the exact same throw but its
>almost always due to the fact that he couldn't READ the
>defense.

Yep.

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"Any fighter that I face, I say prayers for them every night and that he and I live to fight another day."

(C) Floyd Mayweather Jr

the announcers kill me with that shit.

a black QB always have problems reading the defense or some mental problem. white QB gets the benefit of the doubt.

How's that any different from any other form a media? If 'cism exists in that forum than call it out. The only responses should be of whether people think the ratings are actually racist or not.

i have to know. i find it fascinating.

thanks

You know, back in the good ol' days.

reply of the year.

have to read or reply.

I refuse to seriously debate alleged racial issues in the Madden universe, mainly because I live in the real one.

reality is its just a part of a larger issue.

That terrible strategy isn't relegated to Okaysports.

>reality is its just a part of a larger issue.

"Sports aren't important"

"There are bigger problems"

"Kids are starving in China, for goddsakes"

"In the grand scheme of the univere, we're all collections of dust and atoms"

All these = the angry black people might be right, but we don't feel like engaging them, so let's belittle them with grandiose existential comments.


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"Any fighter that I face, I say prayers for them every night and that he and I live to fight another day."

(C) Floyd Mayweather Jr

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good shit

This post to me seems nothing than a very, very ineffective way of rehashing a topic that we beat to death, resurrect, then beat to death again around this time every year.

* The issue: by large, public perception of quarterbacks - fuck it, I'll expand the scope, athletes in general - is, right or wrong, that

Whites = more intelligent
Blacks = more athletic

More or less, right? Well, I'd say the majority of us, including the honorable KingKahn, agree that's asinine. If you polled the board, the vote would reflect that. If it didn't, well OKSports truly has fallen off then. This just seems like a very... cute way of revisiting the topic.

But you guys can go back to arguing about racial undertones in sports video games now though. Maybe they incorporated Rush Limbaugh into the franchise mode this year.

I'll be laughing the whole way.

I'm surprised you didn't quote me on that or anything.

I guess I'll play along too.

The first thing -
Madden has BEEN on Farve's nuts. Plus, as much as I am not a fan of the Packers (I'm a Vikes fan, i hate the fucking Pack) the man has won a few MVP's. He gets that rating based on reputation.

The Aaron Brooks thing -
First off, I don't like Bledoe, I like Aaron Brooks a lot more. I like QB's who can scramble and create, I feel they have more weapons. With that said-

When it's all said and done, will you be able to say he was a better quarterback than Drew Bledsoe? I'm not sure yet. How does a player gain "awareness" in Madden? From experience. Bledsoe has played 13 years in the league. Brooks has played seven. That is the largest reason for the ratings difference. How many Super Bowls has Brooks been to? How many playoff victories does he have? That's also figuring into the equation.

I like Aaron Brooks, but looking deeper, he could be a lot better. He spaces out at critical times during games. If the Saints hadn't put together that run at the end of the season, this wouldn't be an argument.

Aaron Brooks compared to Drew Bledsoe at this current moment in both people's careers has more tools - mainly due to his speed.

However, he was sacked more times (41 to Bledsoe's 38), and fumbled more times than Bledsoe. That comes down to Pocket Awareness.

Brooks may be poised to have a big year, but its not a rating system based on poised for a big year, its based on last years statistics.

I don't think it's a wrong statement to say that while Aaron Brooks has more upside this year, Drew Bledsoe has a higher football IQ. He has played almost DOUBLE the years that Brooks has played, and many of them at a high level. Eventually Aaron Brooks could (and SHOULD) grow to have just as, if not a higher football IQ than Drew Bledsoe. But that growth hasn't happened yet.

a) Interceptions -- Despite Bledose playing three billion more years, with all this "experience" that is supposed to engender more awareness, HE STILL THROWS THE BALL TO THE OPPOSITE TEAM MORE THAN AARON BROOKS. Interceptions are the TELL-TALE SIGN of poorly aware QB. Brooks harms his team with turnovers LESS THAN Bledsoe.

b)Brooks completes passes at a comparable clip, and his teams haven't been any worse than Bledsoe's over the past 4 years.

c)Brooks played with the WORT DEFENSE in the league last year. Bledsoe played with one of the FIVE BEST DEFENSES IN THE LEAGUE.

Capiche?

d)Sacks -- Brooks is sacked more, but scrambles for first downs more, and averts sacks, makes plays he shouldn't with his athleticism. That surely overrides the significance of a FOUR SACK DIFFERENCE. The sack numbers are unhelpful for the large awareness difference.

e)This is all irrelevant, because you're going to have to construct more excuses for why JEFF GARCIA, PATRICK RAMSEY, ELI MANNING, REX GROSSMAN and several others HAVE HIGHER AWARENESS RATINGS than Aaron Brooks.

There is absolutely no argument you can make.

None.

Its plain wrong, and I suspect the ratings are indicative of something....fishy. Subconsciously fishy, but fishy nonetheless.






>The first thing -
>Madden has BEEN on Farve's nuts. Plus, as much as I am not a
>fan of the Packers (I'm a Vikes fan, i hate the fucking Pack)
>the man has won a few MVP's. He gets that rating based on
>reputation.
>
>The Aaron Brooks thing -
>First off, I don't like Bledoe, I like Aaron Brooks a lot
>more. I like QB's who can scramble and create, I feel they
>have more weapons. With that said-
>
>When it's all said and done, will you be able to say he was a
>better quarterback than Drew Bledsoe? I'm not sure yet. How
>does a player gain "awareness" in Madden? From experience.
>Bledsoe has played 13 years in the league. Brooks has played
>seven. That is the largest reason for the ratings difference.
> How many Super Bowls has Brooks been to? How many playoff
>victories does he have? That's also figuring into the
>equation.
>
>I like Aaron Brooks, but looking deeper, he could be a lot
>better. He spaces out at critical times during games. If the
>Saints hadn't put together that run at the end of the season,
>this wouldn't be an argument.
>
>Aaron Brooks compared to Drew Bledsoe at this current moment
>in both people's careers has more tools - mainly due to his
>speed.
>
>However, he was sacked more times (41 to Bledsoe's 38), and
>fumbled more times than Bledsoe. That comes down to Pocket
>Awareness.
>
>Brooks may be poised to have a big year, but its not a rating
>system based on poised for a big year, its based on last years
>statistics.
>
>I don't think it's a wrong statement to say that while Aaron
>Brooks has more upside this year, Drew Bledsoe has a higher
>football IQ. He has played almost DOUBLE the years that
>Brooks has played, and many of them at a high level.
>Eventually Aaron Brooks could (and SHOULD) grow to have just
>as, if not a higher football IQ than Drew Bledsoe. But that
>growth hasn't happened yet.


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Can we not agree that the receiving core of the Saints is MILES better than the receiving core in Buffalo?

I'll take Joe Horn, Donte Stallworth and Boo Williams over Lee Evans, Eric Moulds and who? Mike Williams. who? Mike Williams.

On the subject of defense:
Daunte Culpepper had a HORRIBLE defense playing with him, and still put together an unbelieveable season. Peyton Manning broke the NFL record for TD passes with an equally horrible defense; so your defense comparisons should end there.

I don't disagree that Aaron Brooks should have a better awareness ranking than Grossman, or Eli Manning. Garcia I could go either way, I don't think he is a bad quarterback, not a very good one either, but very capable.

I don't see how Bledsoe's awareness rating of Brooks is offensive. Thats what I am debating with you. Before the argument morphs into something completely different - we are disagreeing on the awareness ratings of Aaron Brooks and Drew Bledsoe, and the alleged discrepancy with such.

>I'll take Joe Horn, Donte Stallworth and Boo Williams over Lee
>Evans, Eric Moulds and who? Mike Williams. who? Mike
>Williams.

because of the mike likeness, and the fact that no one knows who the fuck mike williams is.

jokes are so much better when you have to explain them.

The only WR he got is Horn period. Donte Stallworth can't catch. If you ever watched a Saints game you would know that. Boo Williams?!?!?! LOL! Boo is a joke. You have never watched a Saints game or you woyld never brought up boo williams or Stallworth. Stallworth drooped a touchdown in damn near every game.

You seem like a nice dude, and I don't want to offend you, but your going to get caught up in the tide of this post if you keep posting like this. Sorry If I offend you:

>Can we not agree that the receiving core of the Saints is
>MILES better than the receiving core in Buffalo?

No. Its not.

>I'll take Joe Horn, Donte Stallworth and Boo Williams over Lee
>Evans, Eric Moulds and who? Mike Williams. who? Mike
>Williams.

Eric Moulds is one of the best deep threats in the league. He's perfect for someone with Bledsoe's alleged cannon-like arm.

But really,

The difference in their receiving corps is not sufficient to explain Bledose's medicrity. You know that. I know that.

Bledsoe is a mediocre quarterback, and no more "aware" than Aaron Brooks.

Period.

>On the subject of defense:
>Daunte Culpepper had a HORRIBLE defense playing with him, and
>still put together an unbelieveable season. Peyton Manning
>broke the NFL record for TD passes with an equally horrible
>defense; so your defense comparisons should end there.

C'mon man. That's a TERRIBLE POINT.

Point out to me where I said Aaron Brooks was as good as either Culpepper or Peyton Manning.

Good.

Now shush.

I'm comparing Aaron Brooks to BLEDSOE.

Bledose's defense is light years better than Brooks' defense. Defense and offense are sort of related. Good defenses get offenses the ball in better field position, put much less pressure on QBs to have to stage comeback victories.

>I don't disagree that Aaron Brooks should have a better
>awareness ranking than Grossman, or Eli Manning. Garcia I
>could go either way, I don't think he is a bad quarterback,
>not a very good one either, but very capable.

Okay, so I'm right.

Moving on.

>I don't see how Bledsoe's awareness rating of Brooks is
>offensive. Thats what I am debating with you. Before the
>argument morphs into something completely different - we are
>disagreeing on the awareness ratings of Aaron Brooks and Drew
>Bledsoe, and the alleged discrepancy with such.

Right,

and there are IS NO REASON AT ALL TO GIVE BLEDSOE A SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER AWARENESS RATING THAN AARON BROOKS. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR ARGUMENTS HAS BEEN TOTALLY DECONSTRUCTED. TOTALLY.

THE BILLS CAN'T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS WITH ONE OF THE BEST DEFENSES IN FOOTBALL, ALMOST SOLELY BECAUSE OF THE MAL-PRODUCTIVITY ON THE OFFENSE LED BY BLEDSOE!!!!

THE SAINTS ARE MEDIOCRE ON THE STRENGTH OF A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE, DEFENSE. THE OFFENSE SCORES, IT WAS THE DEFENSE THAT COULDN'T HOLD A LEAD.

BROOKS WAS SACKED 3 MORE TIMES, AND DROPPED BACK TO PASS ALMOST 100 MORE TIMES.

Its a wash.

EA SPORTS HAS NO ARGUMENT, AND NEITHER DO YOU.

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'the tide of this post'. hahah that made me laugh man.

Anyways- you make decent points O_E,

but, like i said earlier, Bledsoe has been around the game longer, and has done more in his career than Brooks has. He was close to being an MVP candidate during their Super Bowl run. Brooks has never come close to those type of acolades (yet).

Brooks has room to grow, where as Bledsoe has reached the max of his potential. Once Brooks spends more time in the league, his pocket awareness should be just at, if not higher than Bledsoe's.

Alright, I'm done, I've said my $0.02. I'll agree to disagree.

drew threw the ball 450 times

3 more sacks with 92 more att.

God forbid we use appeal to REALITY. God help us and our false premonitions and prejudices.....

>drew threw the ball 450 times
>
>3 more sacks with 92 more att.

Lol.

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about 50 posters on OKP have just studied Aaron Brooks and Drew Bledsoe's careers in such detail that they can recite them from memory.

>about 50 posters on OKP have just studied Aaron Brooks and
>Drew Bledsoe's careers in such detail that they can recite
>them from memory.

the number of scrubs who's career numbers i've looked up and used on OKsports is sad

these awareness ratings are pretty stupid

and it's not just any other videogame; it's release is like a major motion picture

Madden is like any movie with Vin Diesel...they're all the same
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im not sure how to compare football video games and movies about fake companies created solely to con their shareholders....

yet.

I do know that Boiler Room had more Biggie lyrics in it than any Madden since '98 had though.

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I'd never turn off my Xbox to watch that shit over a game of Madden.

2K for life
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That period where I thought I was Ponch from CHiPS was just a phase, man.

2K is Gameday repackaged for Sega. The player movements are straight-lined, they're boxed, they look and feel like electric football. It's bad.

like I dunno, realistic inside running

Gameday 98 was better than any Madden in that generation too

There's these things in the game options called AI sliders. Adjust those, you'll get a realistic inside running game.

because tackle animations are not realistic

the offensive line blocking is not realistic either - they never block the assigned men and forget any schemes that account for the second level of a defense

did I mention where your running back's arm touches a d-lineman's and he suddenly wraps you up in a tackle

or when your fullback runs past linebackers and you get blown up for a 4 yard loss

even EA would probably admit behind closed doors that these are problems

you're obviously a dyed in the wool Madden survivalist though so do you

The concept of lateral movement by itself makes that a fact.

but this is where I'll stop; Madden loyalists are like Apple cult members or Nas fans

I hope you aren't still using the d-pad and complaining about control like some of these Madden guys are

Because that's basically what 2K is, with SLIGHTLY better graphics.

Because they suck at it.

besides, I will beat down a kid in NCAA Football

bought that shit the day it dropped from 1998-2005

past two editions have gotten as stale as Madden though, or maybe I'm just now noticing because of 2k5

I've played both every year

They're pretty much supposed to be, considering one's designed to have it's players drafted into the other one. That's why EA's games go for $50 and Esspen's go for $20.

>That's why EA's games go for $50 and Esspen's go for $20.

what the hell are you talking about here though

I was assuming you meant the similarities between NCAA & Madden.

that they used to balance out players that otherwise would play way better than they actually are.


That said, it's a videogame.

>That said, it's a videogame.

no shit! wow, did not know that

next you'll tell me ESPN is just HTML code and Sports Illustrated is just stapled paper with ink

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>>That said, it's a videogame.
>
>no shit! wow, did not know that
>
>next you'll tell me ESPN is just HTML code and Sports
>Illustrated is just stapled paper with ink


wrong use of simile. were you an animal husbandry major at UT?

That would only apply to me saying "Madden is just graphical representation of complex programed data".


But hey, thats not the issue at hand, it's the justification for a videogame's handicapping of pretty much any non-established player in the NFL that you chumps plunk down $50 for each year and talk about like it's anything but a damn racket.

with player ratings based on people's opinions ?

ok, just checking

but the point is something as quantitative as an awareness rating should be based on something other than opinions. there should be a more systematic way of computing those ratings. look at all the stats that are available in the nfl. the numbers are out there.

if it takes them that long to program the video game, it shouldn't be too difficult to base the player rankings on some quantitative measure. i hate to admit it, but basaglia and o_e are on fucking point with this.

I honestly think Delhomme's awareness should have been higher than a 86 though.

Ya'll would argue with a wall abouot the nature of videogame programers.

i could trot out 100 absurdly inaccurate ratings from last year's madden, but i'm not going to waste my time. the ratings are subjective and done by a bunch of lazy programmers who may or may not know football. to call inaccurate ratings pure 'CISM!! is a stretch to say the least. racism may be a factor, but the degree to which you abuse it as a topic of discussion renders the whole excercise childish. then again, that's how i'd describe all of your posts and you.

the sporting world is still learning to accept black Qbs simply as QBs. i mean shit, it's only in the last few years that we've gotten to a point where a black QB got to the superbowl and people weren't talking about it like it was an anomoly. last year Mcnabb was just a QB, not a black QB. that's marginal progress in the right direction.

however, the original poster's claim that madden's dumbass ratings are due mostly to 'CISM!! is an exaggeration and it trivializes serious race discussion.

then again, the original poster trivializes everything he childishly YELLS ABOUT IN ALL CAPS.

fag

have u seen a culpepper or brooks interview?
got damn
them niggas is dumb
compare that to how articulate favre or the mannings are
come on be real here
farve and them are simply smarter then culpepper or brooks
not racist
shit is just true

>got damn
>them niggas is dumb

i've met him. and i've met manning, farve, and garcia. spending half an hour with these guys none of them were noticibly more or less intelligent. garcia was goofy. manning was a control freak. farve was extremely down to earth. culpepper was extremely laid back and likeable.

no i'm not name dropping, i've simply done photo shoots with each of them.
yes i understand half an hour is not much time to spend with these guys.

and we all know stephen hawking often mumbles his words. NOPE!!! no excuses. he mumbles.

http://sports.ign.com/articles/634/634981p11.html

the pictures on those pages show the field of vision for every QB in the damn league. brett favre can see the whole fucking field! why can't daunte? why can't nabby? it's total bullshit.

http://sports.ign.com/articles/634/634981p12.html

LOOK AT THAT BULLSHIT!!!!

When he drops back to pass the whole screen should go black and you just have to guess who is open.

.

!!

we think it - he says it

those ratings have to be bullshit.

this shit was great, guys

thx

you bitches have ranted for 200 posts about this shit. although that shit about not caring about third world countries as much as ipods, shoes, etc was funny as hell...

black qbs are given lower awareness...WELCOME TO AMERICA. but i've seen skewed ratings for lots of things over the years on madden. do you think brett favre getting 97 is based on his playing or on madden's jaws on his balls?

anyhow, this point has been beaten into the ground and morphed into some other creature..

and LiquidDope....that was a bitch move rocking my avatar while I still got it... get ya own shit (C) Ghost

And I'm a Bulls fan, I should get territorial dibs on it anyway.

>And I'm a Bulls fan, I should get territorial dibs on it
>anyway.
i'm a bulls fan too, whatchu think i pumped the knicks? (no homo)

as well as any sports product or newscast run by white folks...

but hasn't Culpepper lead the league in fumbles like every year he's been in the league...I know that's an exaggeration but 76 fumbles in 74 career games???
I'd say he could use some awareness...although that's not exactly what the stat is all about on Madden I know

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>...I know that's an exaggeration but 76 fumbles in 74 career games???

still too many mufuckin' fumbles...over 1 fumble per game???
I'd say the cat could use some awareness

a question was asked. i answered. end of story.

i don't know where it stands now

Brett Favre throws some of the dumbest interceptions I've ever seen. And Drew Bledsoe is not as aware as Culpepper.

There are certain players that will always be rated as if they're in their prime. That's not even just a Madden thing, that's been a part of football video games forever. Why do you think Walter Payton and Tony Dorsett had their career high stat lines listed on Tecmo Bowl even though they were at the end of their careers?

He should print out this post and mail it to Canton.


Ken O'Brien also appreciates someone actually remembering him.




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>you don't have to derail a debate with hyperbole.

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to spread lies far and wide about Aaron Brooks to anyone who will listen (read: no one)

The funny part is we tried to say it wasn't a big deal, but you were the one who kept on about how important it was for Aaron Brooks' awareness rating to be accurate in Madden football. It's hard to take anything EA does seriously these days... let alone this.

...I'm a bad, bad, motherfucker.

Or Orbit_Re_Established that I am.

Depends on when you started posting.

>Ken O'Brien also appreciates someone actually remembering
>him.

>...I'm a bad, bad, motherfucker.

who aaron brooks was such a hot topic?

You listen to They Won't Go When I Go. That'll tell you where I'm going - away from sorrow and hate, up to joy and laughter-Stevie Wonder

"music is a spiritual thing. you don't play with music. if you play with music, you will die young. -Fela

hell fucking no. and Garcia shouldnt be 83. other than that, those numbers look good dude. your trippin.

John Madden likes to play favorites. He rates Favre like it's 1996. He rates Sapp like it's 1999. He rates Alstott like it's in Bizarro World.

I'd like to throw out.

In the last 3 years, the only QB's with more TD passes are Peyton Manning and Brett Favre.

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Peyton Manning doesn't have a ton himself.

and who brought up Peyton Manning?I think he's an overrated cock swaggler who shouldn't have his name mentioned anywhere near a Dan Marino record.
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seeing as how he only won his first playoff game a couple of years ago.

*awaiting semi-witty dismissive reply*

he sucks too
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>In the last 3 years, the only QB's with more TD passes are
>Peyton Manning and Brett Favre.

player, total (2004,2003,2002)

1. peyton 105 - (49,29,27)
2. farve 89 - (30,32,27)
3. daunte 82 - (39,25,18)
4. brady 79 - (28,23,28)
5. t.green 77 - (27,24,26)
6. brooks 72 - (21,24,27)

if you add rushing TDs the new ranking is:

petyon 107
daunte 98
favre 89
brady 81
brooks 80
green 80

fantasy football mag.

The numbers are:

Manning - 131
Favre - 121
Brooks - 98
Brady - 97
Culpepper - 96
Green - 94
McNabb - 89
Garcia - 81
Plummer - 78
McNair - 75

u slippin OCK

go pick one up, for each position it has a graphic of what is supposed to be each players stats for the last 3 years but if you add up the numbers its actually stats for the last 4 years. I'm sure mine isn't the only one fucked up, they're probably all like that, check it out.