THIS. BOARD. GON BE FIYAAAAH!!!


The Phoenix Suns have not filled their general manager position yet and ESPN.com's Marc Stein reports they might be waiting on Grant Hill.

Stein writes: "Rumblings persist Suns haven't hired GM yet because they remain hopeful Hill, out of playoffs now, returns to Phoenix to take (the) job."

Hill, who was injured for most of 2012-13 with the Clippers, has said he'll consider retiring after this season. If that happens he can take some time away from the NBA or head straight in as an executive.

The Suns, by most rumors, are down to Milwaukee assistant general manager Jeff Weltman and Boston assistant general manager Ryan McDonough if Hill takes himself out of the mix.

the 2 names that always come up are "Grant Hill" and "the Phoenix Suns".

you can leave now.

SHIT



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grant gettin microsoft money wit dat tru life cosby family he got...he spent a chunk of that 80 mil he stole from FILA and bought all da black people art...all of it...museums be callin him tryna be friends.

mash bought some played out ass fash food places, capitalizing off the community's deadly relationship with food.

SPREAD TEETH MASH: Quentavia, where dat big ass shipment of pink slime and ammonia sulfate. WE NEED DAT! DIS IS A BIDNESS!

ELEGANT G: Tamia, honey, you'll never guess who called today. The Corcoran. Yes, apparently the new director is obsessed with Romare Bearden. Why don't we 69 for an hour while the kids are at ballet and soccer and I'll think about their offer.

I do not have time to decode dialect.

You just trying to salvage something about Grant to be happy about. Hooray!

He's gonna fail at being a G.M. too.

anger sometimes catches me off guard, even if i'm chasing it.

you mad, dogg.

grant an ambassador.

There's zero evidence that shows Grant Hill would be a good G.M. for the Suns.
The Suns aren't a winning organization.

Them shits are facts.

he gonna make things happen...i'm sure of it.

You're gonna be sitting there trying to pick out trends in Kendall Marshall's fg% go from 38% to 39% back to 37% and watching Wesley Johnsons +/-.

grant seems like he'd be ruthless as a GM, because his mom's a straight business person and all his decision would be logic-based and tactless.

and earnest and shit.

Talking about Virginia or wherever he's from.

That shit would melt Grant's heart.

the ROSTER

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>grant gettin microsoft money wit dat tru life cosby family he
>got...he spent a chunk of that 80 mil he stole from FILA and
>bought all da black people art...all of it...museums be callin
>him tryna be friends.
>
>mash bought some played out ass fash food places, capitalizing
>off the community's deadly relationship with food.
>
>SPREAD TEETH MASH: Quentavia, where dat big ass shipment of
>pink slime and ammonia sulfate. WE NEED DAT! DIS IS A
>BIDNESS!
>
>ELEGANT G: Tamia, honey, you'll never guess who called today.
>The Corcoran. Yes, apparently the new director is obsessed
>with Romare Bearden. Why don't we 69 for an hour while the
>kids are at ballet and soccer and I'll think about their
>offer.

>SPREAD TEETH MASH: Quentavia, where dat big ass shipment of
>pink slime and ammonia sulfate. WE NEED DAT! DIS IS A
>BIDNESS!

which should be impossible since the subject/title was the most amazing reply ever

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dawg I'm typing this with tears running down my face.

..sheesh

*skatin' the rings of saturn*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

Holy smokes.

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shit the line about Hill telling Tamia about art and 69ing and the kids at soccer practice LOFL... the opening line was etherous enough

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under a mentor in another capacity first..

I was looking at an interview with the Golden State GM Bob Myers


FROM?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


But anyways he was talking about how Jerry West took him under his wing ...after Myers was an agent for some years...

that experience was huge for him.... Now he's put together a very young and exciting playoff team...the right trades...the right signings..the right hires..

Grant could be a good GM....I'm sure he could...but to just put him in the spot right away isn't the right move IMO...

i'm sure grant is very sharp and likable and whatever other qualities they're looking for, but isn't he wildly unqualified to make personnel decisions for a basketball organization? maybe the idea is that he'd just be a respected figurehead/recruiter.

>i'm sure grant is very sharp and likable and whatever other
>qualities they're looking for, but isn't he wildly unqualified
>to make personnel decisions for a basketball organization?
>maybe the idea is that he'd just be a respected
>figurehead/recruiter.



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That's pretty much all those GMs do

We just call them a genius for obvious shit like
signing James Harden to a max deal he was going to
get already


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cmon

look, the suns are clearly familiar with grant from being in their organization. they know infinitely more about how he would perform as a GM than we do. but on the surface, hiring a *current player* to be in charge of personnel decisions, signings, cap issues, drafting, etc is insane. unless, as i said, it's a ceremonial role.

there are former players as GMs--ainge, dumars, paxson, ferry, etc--but installing a dude who's a *current player* in that position seems like a major reach.

You didn't answer the question as to why Grant Hill
should'nt get the job.

>cmon
>
>look, the suns are clearly familiar with grant from being in
>their organization. they know infinitely more about how he
>would perform as a GM than we do.

Which means you should probably shut the entire fuck up,
but carry on.

but on the surface, hiring a
>*current player* to be in charge of personnel decisions,
>signings, cap issues, drafting, etc is insane. unless, as i
>said, it's a ceremonial role.

"On the surface" means he's not a white dweeb who sucks
at sports like Morey.

If the Suns hired a random white guy who was an alleged
"thinker" you wouldn't say anything.

>there are former players as GMs--ainge, dumars, paxson, ferry,
>etc--but installing a dude who's a *current player* in that
>position seems like a major reach.

LOL

And what was Ainge's great move other than being white and
a former Celtic and getting McHale to give away Garnett?
The Jason Terry move?

Dumars? Same one who drafted Darko Milcic? (nice racial
token job there)

Ferry? Bwahhaaha. Stop

You can't name a single reason why Grant Hill doesn't
deserve this job any less than those random white nerds
who get jobs who you don't complain about, or even worse,
call a genius for signing James Harden.


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making up reasons to shit on championship GM's now?

there is literally no reason to think that G Hill will be a competant GM

>>cmon
>>
>>look, the suns are clearly familiar with grant from being in
>>their organization. they know infinitely more about how he
>>would perform as a GM than we do.

>Which means you should probably shut the entire fuck up,
>but carry on.

and then you turn around and say that because the most incompetant franchise in the nba likes him he must be ready lmao

as tho PHX is a model for sound decision making

lol

>there is literally no reason to think that G Hill will be a
>competant GM

Well, duh

He's black and is actually good at basketball

We'll see if he has the heightened statistical understanding
to run a team

He better get them regressions and markov chains down if
he wants to recognize how James Harden's beard will do in
Houston and how to capitalize on that residual Yao Ming
fan money

Only the best and the brightest can figure that out



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>
>Well, duh
>
>He's black and is actually good at basketball
>
>We'll see if he has the heightened statistical understanding
>to run a team
>
>He better get them regressions and markov chains down if
>he wants to recognize how James Harden's beard will do in
>Houston and how to capitalize on that residual Yao Ming
>fan money
>
>Only the best and the brightest can figure that out

Look at him, y'all.

Its 2013, and I still got it.

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Wha?

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does grant hill have anything going for him that magic johnson did not?

no.

is Grant Hill more likely to end up like Magic than Joe Dumars?

yes.

good talk.

I'm listening.

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I'm not the due who work in your mail room, show
some respect

Apologize for being an idiot


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>does grant hill have anything going for him that magic
>johnson did not?

he LOLs @ race constantly

he would have never turned the narrative that way

race came up because he had nothing real to contribute

sort of like how he falsely sums up peoples arguments into something stupid to draw eyes away from his own lack of one

i mean this is OE 101 really, and not deserving of anything more than lolz

I'd be mad and copping pleas if I was you too.

What you said was racist.

I'll keep reminding you.

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that would plague a guy like Grant Hill?

It's kinda ridiculous how out-of-your-way a few of y'all are going to pretend that GrantfuckingHill is somehow a reach as an NBA exec.

When you're of a certain stature, are known as a cerebral dude & also were a Hall of Fame (or close) player than you don't need to wait in the same line as others, that's just how it is.

Do people really think Grant Hill wouldn't hire some capologist/metrics guy or guys to work alongside him while he makes the final calls & heads up the franchise face in the media/with-fans/etc?

Didn't Larry Bird get both Head Coach & President Of Basketball Operations gigs without having a french lick of experience in those areas?

Didn't he delegate & do kinda ok in both of them, while not being as good with the media or being considered very intellectual?

I would hire Grant Hill to GM the Sixers right today & feel pretty confident he'd be better than anyone we had in the seat since......well, my entire life basically.

>that would plague a guy like Grant Hill?
>
>It's kinda ridiculous how out-of-your-way a few of y'all are
>going to pretend that GrantfuckingHill is somehow a reach as
>an NBA exec.
>
>When you're of a certain stature, are known as a cerebral dude
>& also were a Hall of Fame (or close) player than you don't
>need to wait in the same line as others, that's just how it
>is.
>
>Do people really think Grant Hill wouldn't hire some
>capologist/metrics guy or guys to work alongside him while he
>makes the final calls & heads up the franchise face in the
>media/with-fans/etc?
>
>Didn't Larry Bird get both Head Coach & President Of
>Basketball Operations gigs without having a french lick of
>experience in those areas?
>
>Didn't he delegate & do kinda ok in both of them, while not
>being as good with the media or being considered very
>intellectual?
>
>I would hire Grant Hill to GM the Sixers right today & feel
>pretty confident he'd be better than anyone we had in the seat
>since......well, my entire life basically.


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I mean, Steve Kerr had broadcasting experience and that was it. Grant Hill may be a terrible GM, but there's no way to just assume he's going to be right off the bat.

It's a shame this dude is a Laker fan and doesn't realize that Magic was simply a (bad) coach, and not an exec...

>I would hire Grant Hill to GM the Sixers right today & feel
>pretty confident he'd be better than anyone we had in the seat
>since......well, my entire life basically.

he might be good

he might not

but going right from the bench to the front office without any sort of apprenticeship or anything seems rushed and clumsy

and the reason i said that is that im sure there are a lot of teams that would have rather had grant hill than whatever GM they had. the kind of owner that keeps awful GM's around is the same kind that would hire a totally unproven former player so thats where they end up going. they also have the worst roster in the NBA so there isnt even anything to build on.

hiring mcdonough instead of Hill, on its face, seems like the best front office decision PHX has made in years

We know what a GM generally has to do, but it seems like good GMs have come from various backgrounds, including being a recent player.

Apprenticeship sounds great but I don't think there's any basis to saying that being a recent player precludes you from being a good GM.

>We know what a GM generally has to do, but it seems like good
>GMs have come from various backgrounds, including being a
>recent player.
>
>Apprenticeship sounds great but I don't think there's any
>basis to saying that being a recent player precludes you from
>being a good GM.

but there is nothing objective anyone can point to and say "oh yeah he'll be good"

in reality, there is a bunch of circumstantial shit like

"playing for coach k"
"he was injured for a long time im sure he learned something"
"he went to really good schools"
yadda yadda yadda

one position is no more outlandish than the other, and on top of that he's assigning Guinness's idea to me ("insane")

i do think hiring McDonogh is the best move PHX has made in years but if they had made any other good moves they wouldnt be here now would they?

>but there is nothing objective anyone can point to and say
>"oh yeah he'll be good"


Whiteness.


>in reality, there is a bunch of circumstantial shit like
>
>"playing for coach k"

That's less relevant than being an "assistant" in the
Jeff Green trade?

>"he was injured for a long time im sure he learned something"

Never heard this.

>"he went to really good schools"

That's part of how Morey got his job.

>yadda yadda yadda

Yeah, like you hear whenever a white person gets a job.

>one position is no more outlandish than the other, and on top
>of that he's assigning Guinness's idea to me ("insane")

Problem is, you're defending the white guy and chastising the
black guy.

>i do think hiring McDonogh is the best move PHX has made in
>years but if they had made any other good moves they wouldnt
>be here now would they?

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I kinda feel you that hiring an apprentice at least appears less risky... I don't know if it actually carries any weight.

Being a GM is such a combination of soft and hard skills that I don't think you can tell if someone really can do the job until you see them do it for you.

as Danny Ainge 'assistant' who 'assisted' in signing Jeff Green & selecting four players in the past two drafts who will be out of the league before their rookie contracts are up and was the son of a Boston Globe sports columnist & brother who also was a nepotism hire has been failing for the past four years as the Jags' Director of Player Personnel while they regularly hold court as one of the worst teams in the league?

That's better than a Coach K disciple who played on two NCAA title teams, won Gold as an Olympian under the league's all time winningest coach, has been on an NBA roster for the past twenty years (including 6/7 years he pretty much couldn't do anything physically so was forced to 'observe'), is great with the meida, has the respect of the entire league and is commonly thought as one of his generation's best ambassadors for the sport & most thoughtful cats in the league?!?!

Not even just that, it's 'one of the most brilliant hires they've made'? LMFAO, BASED ON WHAT?!?!

Did Jerry West have experience before being handed head coaching gigs & then GM gigs?

(I'll tell you since you clearly don't seem to know, the answer is NO).

That turn out alright?

Larry Bird?

Pat Riley?

What are y'all really even talking about?

It's GRANT HILL.

This dude has been groomed to be an Executive, a Senator, or whatever the fuck he wants to put his mind/effort into post-playing-career (something he's been forced by injury to look towards dating back to the late 90s) since he was a fucking teenager.

Yet somehow this Masshole Sportswriter's Son who got the Assistant C's GM gig off Boston connections, who's seven years younger than Grant who has been working in the league for three non-descript seasons with the C's as Ainge's waterboy is now a more worthy candidate?!?

THAT GUY paid dues and GRANT HILL hasn't?!?

GTFOHWTWBS, y'all don't even seem to understand how silly & lilly you sound.

You must just be mad at O_E or Ba if you're really trying to prop this dude up.

>Not even just that, it's 'one of the most brilliant hires
>they've made'? LMFAO, BASED ON WHAT?!?!

but as for the rest of that, its a coin flip

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I gotta say that 9/10 times when I talk to a former player turned exec, they tell me they tell me they started training during their career. Of the guys who battled injuries, that's more like 10/10.

Guys like Jordan and Magic are kind of the exceptions. Sure they were into the business side of things but maybe not the front office specifically. They were given the gig based on their pedigree as players. Is that going to happen with Hill, who is like 15 years removed from stardom? Doubtful.

Hill had plenty of down time to study up on the business side. Even if he did not have that time, he still could have prepared adequately, especially if he started early.

I cannot do anything more than speculation on his level of preparedness but if I had to guess, he's not a bad pony to back.

>
>there are former players as GMs--ainge, dumars, paxson, ferry,
>etc--but installing a dude who's a *current player* in that
>position seems like a major reach.

As in like, he's retiring.

just appears rash to parachute a guy with absolutely no experience into a position where his peers are morey, ujiri, riley, walsh, presti, etc.

then again, he can't possibility be worse than colangelo or dem specs.

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Harden was a really good player in OKC, but never had to be the guy to carry the team night after night. He was the best sixth man in the league, and people thought he could be really good, but he had yet to be the #1 option on a team. He had seven career starts in OKC.

Morey gave up practically nothing, and convinced OKC to part ways with him, (a year before they had to) and the gamble paid off, as Harden blossomed into a star.

Now, the Rockets have the inside track to re-sign him, as they can offer him a longer contract worth more money, and he didn't have to give up any pieces to get him.

Is that not a smart move? If it was so obvious, how come no other GM beat him out for it? No one could have done better than Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb and two draft picks?

Did teams have the assets to get it done? Some of them, yes, but most with any picks of value were lousy teams so that's limiting and regardless of quality teams had to also have the contracts and financial flexibility going forward to make it work.

So I don't think there was a short line of teams that would have wanted Harden and as a central player to their team, but I do think Houston was in the best position to make the move and, in turn, made a shrewd deal.

I mean he didn't even crack the playoff rotation for the Clippers when they were running Turiaf/Hollins out there for 25 minutes a night & starting Googley-Eye-Butler.

He knows that part of his life is probably finally over but he's a smart dude who undoubtedly learned some things over the course of his decorated college/international careers along with his two full decades in the NBA which featured about six or seven years of being forced to mostly watch due to injury in the middle of it.

He's basically going to be the same age Steve Kerr was (41) when the Suns pulled him out of his brief post-retirement broadcasting career to take over as their GM back in the mid-to-late-aughts.

Same with John Paxson after Krause left & he came down from the booth.

We could easily start a pretty long list of people less qualified going into this gig than Grant Hill over the years.

Are supposed to tell the coach how to do his job, right?

Why wouldn't you assume that many of the GM's responsibilities would be delegated to other people?

>just appears rash to parachute a guy with absolutely no
>experience into a position where his peers are morey, ujiri,
>riley, walsh, presti, etc.
>
>then again, he can't possibility be worse than colangelo or
>dem specs.

seriously. like where does this bullshit ass speculation come from? do you only watch HALF of the NBA?

..what hill's done in his downtime regarding front office work?




*skatin' the rings of saturn*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

I still don't know how John Paxson beat out BJ Armstrong for the Bulls GM back when, but if Pax and Gar/Pax can do it, hell Grant Hill can too.


More power to him.

https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/331827191044268033

Marc Spears says: Suns have hired Ryan McDonough as GM

This thread is still great tho

BECAUSE HE JUST KNOWS

According to Guinness and friends.


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unless you count paying Jeff Green plus coming off two terrible drafts (Damaged Goods Sully, then the wack Fat Melo/Kris Joseph combo, JaJuan Johnson the year before who's already out of the league in 2011).

Other than that, what? Being a Boston Globe columnist's son?

That trumps Grant Hill's past two decades in terms of being qualified for this role?!?

I honestly don't know what y'all are talking about at all in this thread.

http://tinyurl.com/d4yeocr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj8XwL9oUgM

>unless you count paying Jeff Green plus coming off two
>terrible drafts (Damaged Goods Sully, then the wack Fat
>Melo/Kris Joseph combo, JaJuan Johnson the year before who's
>already out of the league in 2011).
>
>Other than that, what? Being a Boston Globe columnist's son?
>
>That trumps Grant Hill's past two decades in terms of being
>qualified for this role?!?
>
>I honestly don't know what y'all are talking about at all in
>this thread.


There is nothing about Grant Hill that's a guaratee his playing career would equate to success as a GM without first getting some front office experience....nothing at all.

He's smart...he's a good dude from a good family...but none of that means he would make a good GM right way.

experience as a player imo could equate to getting a coaching job right after retirement because that's about the play on the court....Front office...GM stuff is about business...completely different..

I go back to Bob Myers...one of the best young GMs in the game right now....he played in college but not the NBA....he was an agent first...then Jerry West took him under his wing to work in a front office......now he's a GM...

Kupchek was a player...but didn't go right into being a GM...first againt Jerry West mentored him and he eventually became a GM.

the guy Phoenix hired has front office experience under a successful GM for a successful franchise.... that holds more weight for the job than just being a player.

>>unless you count paying Jeff Green plus coming off two
>>terrible drafts (Damaged Goods Sully, then the wack Fat
>>Melo/Kris Joseph combo, JaJuan Johnson the year before who's
>>already out of the league in 2011).
>>
>>Other than that, what? Being a Boston Globe columnist's son?
>>
>>That trumps Grant Hill's past two decades in terms of being
>>qualified for this role?!?
>>
>>I honestly don't know what y'all are talking about at all in
>>this thread.
>
>
>There is nothing about Grant Hill that's a guaratee his
>playing career would equate to success as a GM without first
>getting some front office experience....nothing at all.
>
nothing in life is guaranteed, if you're a journalism school white boy who didn't even play high school ball then you might take a different road than a twenty-year-NBA-playing vet with a legacy.

You are saying......nothing at all.

>He's smart...he's a good dude from a good family...but none of
>that means he would make a good GM right way.
>
I don't even know if McDonough's very smart, was never a fan of his dad's columns, his brother's currentlty fucking up the Jaguars royally & both got into the business of sports because of who their dad was.

>experience as a player imo could equate to getting a coaching
>job right after retirement because that's about the play on
>the court....Front office...GM stuff is about
>business...completely different..
>
Dude, it's knowing the salary cap, being able to evaluate & make draft picks, spending money on the right guys, etc.

It's actually not as hard as you might think, you just either have it or you don't.

>I go back to Bob Myers...one of the best young GMs in the game
>right now....he played in college but not the NBA....he was an
>agent first...then Jerry West took him under his wing to work
>in a front office......now he's a GM...
>
Funny you should mention Jerry West, since he had zero coaching & then zero GM experience before getting each gig.

>Kupchek was a player...but didn't go right into being a
>GM...first againt Jerry West mentored him and he eventually
>became a GM.
>
>the guy Phoenix hired has front office experience under a
>successful GM for a successful franchise.... that holds more
>weight for the job than just being a player.

The guy Phoenix just fired had front office experience with not one but two franchises more successful than the Celtics were while McDonough was there.

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particularly one's that didn't have front office experience first..

particularly in recent years..

guys like..

Ferry?
Smith?
Kiki?
Petrie?
Isiah?

how did those dudes..and cats like em do....and how are they doing now..

it's not a given it's gonna work.

should we ask how these underling with no GM experience guys like McDonough or the guy who preceeded him in Phoenix that just got fired did?

Of course there's no guarantees, I'm saying I'd bet on Grant Hill to be a success in the role but in both his or McDonough's case you won't know until they do it.

Qualified, metrics guy, white.

>This thread is still great tho

grant hill would be great as the face of a team
the nba needs more black executives imo
to OEs point Morey been building a 8th seed for 6 yrs and stay getting props for it
so grant woulda got a couple yrs to learn on the job from me

It's unlikely he'd get the benefit of the doubt to learn on the job.

They had a great run as a group with Joe D and Otis doing their thing but obviously those situations have turned pretty sour. Also, how is the movement going to move while Billy King remains a part of it?

And then you go in with "dentistry" and "contra spray gun"

some people are trying to WORK here.

I actually met Ryan a couple of times, even grabbed a bite with him, good dude. One of my boys in grad school was a fellow manager at UNC with him in undergrad. My man had a great hookup with the Celts while we were in Boston together and he took me to a couple of games (Floor seats at that, sadly might be the last time I get that kind of hookup, this was also the last year pre-KG so that might have been part of it)

The connect for the tickets wasn't Ryan (one of the very minority owners), but he would come down and kicked it at half time, and had dinner another time. he was a scout with the Celtics then. Seems like a smart hard working dude. No doubt he's put in the time.

BUT, come the f'k on, the notion that someone as smart as Grant Hill with 20 years of embedded NBA experience is some how dramatically less qualified than a guy who was a scout for ~5/Assistant GM for 3 is kind of ludicrous. I think RM will do well, but I think Grant would do just as well, and is smart enough to close the small gaps he may have and would arm himself with the appropriate people to help him close that gap.

Also, I like Ryan, broke bread with him ~ 6 yrs back, and my man speaks highly of him, but he got through the door because of nepotism, and who his father is, that simple. He made the best of it, and that's a big part off the reason he's a GM at 33, but the idea that he is such a superior more qualified candidate than Grant is insulting.

"McDonough’s family is loaded with professional sports ties: His father was Boston Globe columnist Will McDonough; one brother, Sean, is a broadcaster for ESPN; and his other brother, Terry, is director of player personnel for the NFL’s Jacksonville Jaguars. The Boston Globe reports that those family ties helped him get his foot in the door."

that said, he was with the celtics for a decade and started in the scouting department. as for grant hill, i think he probably has the aptitude for the position, but was playing *this season.* i have no idea how involved he's been with front offices over his career, but i think it's fundamentally problematic to hire someone as a GM that isn't an expert on capology or metrics in 2013. that's THE JOB.

Like at all.

it is far easier to find a guy you can have help you with the 'capology' & 'metrics' than to find a guy who actually will set a program/vision in place for the franchise while being the face/head of it.

And pretending off the break that Grant Hill wouldn't have thought about those things enough to even get an interview to pair against this McDonough's son clown whose brother's capology/'metrics' are currently sinking the fucking Jaguars in another sport is funny.

Grant Hill could have hired a dude a couple years out of school better than McDonough who can't even help Ainge figure out how to not burn the use of any player on a cap-friendly rookie-deal or who paid Jeff Green.

again, i don't want a dude who was playing *this season* to make personnel decisions for my team.
i don't want to have cap/metric stuff explained to him or relayed by other employees.
i don't want him to learn on the job.

grant hill may one day be a great GM, but i wouldn't hand the keys to my organization over to someone who has literally not spent a day working in the front office in any capacity. if you want those things, cool. neither of us has a basketball team.

mcdonough worked for the celtics for 10 years, starting in scouting. he might end up sucking, but posing him as an entitled naif who parachuted into the asst GM position is wildly dishonest.

i think his age is just making 30-plus sports fans furious on some lena dunham shit.

he's done playing, he's been preparing to be done playing for quite sometime now.

To pretend he's never looked into any of this 'metric' shit as if it's so complex you need to spend years studying it or can't delegate it to some degree is the stuff that's wildly dishonest.

>again, i don't want a dude who was playing *this season* to
>make personnel decisions for my team.
>i don't want to have cap/metric stuff explained to him or
>relayed by other employees.
>i don't want him to learn on the job.
>
>grant hill may one day be a great GM, but i wouldn't hand the
>keys to my organization over to someone who has literally not
>spent a day working in the front office in any capacity. if
>you want those things, cool. neither of us has a basketball
>team.
>
I'd take him in Philly today.

>mcdonough worked for the celtics for 10 years, starting in
>scouting. he might end up sucking, but posing him as an
>entitled naif who parachuted into the asst GM position is
>wildly dishonest.
>\
We have no idea what he actually did in any of those roles, we do know how he got the role had nothing to do with his ability to assess basketball matters & his period as an Assistant GM has been three years & the Celtics haven't made one move in that time period you'd even consider good.

>i think his age is just making 30-plus sports fans furious on
>some lena dunham shit.

LOL, jesus.

you'd be happy with the sixers hiring a dude solely because he's smart, likable and been around pro basketball for a long time. i mean, there's not even a single other nugget of information to indicate what kind of GM he'd be.

all we do know, however, is that he was PLAYING BASKETBALL THIS SEASON.

meanwhile:

"While the rest of the world sort of dropped on Rondo, Ryan continued to evaluate him even higher," says Ainge. "Ryan was pushing very, very hard for Rajon. Ryan was very big in us having that strong of a desire for Rajon."

The Celtics used their lottery pick to acquire Sebastian Telfair, but as the draft continued to unfold, McDonough made a renewed pitch. The price was fairly steep to buy back into the first round and included cash, a future first-round pick and assuming Brian Grant’s contract.

"Ownership deserves a lot of credit for that," McDonough says. "Wyc and Steve said, ‘Alright you guys think he’s going to be that good,’ and it was unanimous that we did. We thought he could be a special player and luckily he was because we asked them to pay a lot of money to go get that pick."

>"While the rest of the world sort of dropped on Rondo, Ryan
>continued to evaluate him even higher," says Ainge. "Ryan was
>pushing very, very hard for Rajon. Ryan was very big in us
>having that strong of a desire for Rajon."


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All Will McDonough's kid.

Congrats to him for watching the NCAA tourney the prior year.

Cool, so lemme guess: he was hands off on JaJuan Johnson, Brokeback Sully & those two 'Cuse scrubs too but got overruled?

you've been wailing about him being with the celtics for three years.
he's been there ten.
you've been moaning about him not being involved in any good decisions.
i gave you an example for a crucial one that shaped the franchise.

i'm not even riding for this dude, just saying he's been around for a while and has a solid reputation as a scout and numbers guy. you being furious about a guy who has spent a decade in the front office being hired for a front office position is beyond weird.

your evidence of his acumen was that 8 years ago when they traded a lotto pick for Bassy then later got bailed out by Sarver giving away first-rounders & landing Rondo in the 20's (when he was far & away the best player available) he's a bona fide GM star on the rise.

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the problem is that bomb flew off the handle thinking this guy had only been working with the celtics for three years. now he's foolishly sticking to his guns, despite the dude being reasonably qualified for the position.

you're foolishly sticking with this dude because he's a 'metrics' guy as if (much like every GM in baseball post-Beane or West-Coast Offense guys in the 2000s NFL) like that really even means anything since every GM hire in this day & age will be one to some degree.

So with five firsts in three years, they landed one guy (Bradley) who will be able to be on a roster post-rookie deal.

Congrats.

and maybe he'll be a total fucking disaster.

the point is that he's worked in a front office for ten years, including three as an assistant GM. then he got hired as a GM. if i was hiring someone to be a general manager, background in scouting and, oh, being an assistant general manager would look nice on a resume. they're a team that's going to rebuild through the draft and that's his expertise, apparently.

why on earth would grant hill, who was playing pro ball this season, be more qualified than someone who was AN ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER? is there even another example of a player who went from active to being in charge of trades, signing and contracts without any experience whatsoever?

you suggested giving "final say" in a several-hundred-million-dollar company to someone who has never, ever, ever done any of those things. you'd be comfortable having grant hill negotiate deals with presti or r.c. buford? good god! come on man.

>and maybe he'll be a total fucking disaster.
>
>the point is that he's worked in a front office for ten years,
>including three as an assistant GM.

is that the point?

because Lance 'Shootin' Blanks, the bum they just tossed from the job had ten years or more, five with the Spurs & then five with the Cavs as 'Assistant GM'.

You or I have zero years experience but I bet both would have made better draft choices than the Sixers did over the past 25 years.

Stop acting like they're breaking atoms in there.

then he got hired as a GM.
>if i was hiring someone to be a general manager, background in
>scouting and, oh, being an assistant general manager would
>look nice on a resume. they're a team that's going to rebuild
>through the draft and that's his expertise, apparently.
>
>why on earth would grant hill, who was playing pro ball this
>season, be more qualified than someone who was AN ASSISTANT
>GENERAL MANAGER?

Why would Jerry West, Larry Bird or Danny Ainge be better at this job than Lance Blanks, Kevin Pritchard or Larry Harris?

is there even another example of a player who
>went from active to being in charge of trades, signing and
>contracts without any experience whatsoever?
>
there's plenty of guys that went into head coaching & GM slots without experience, yes, including several great ones.

But you're so hung up on the fact that he played in 26 games this season for 15 minutes per that somehow that eliminates his ability to evaluate the league he was playing (mostly sitting/watching much like the whole middle of his career) in for the past two decades.

That's funny to me.

>you suggested giving "final say" in a
>several-hundred-million-dollar company to someone who has
>never, ever, ever done any of those things. you'd be
>comfortable having grant hill negotiate deals with presti or
>r.c. buford? good god! come on man.

'Final Say' means exactly what it means, you make the final call with all the information your team assembled has come up with to that point, make a decision based on that along with your own knowledge/beliefs/research, pull the trigger & own it.

Yes I believe Grant Hill has the smarts along with having served 20 years in blood/sweat equity/firsthand-knowledge-of-the-league-from-inside-out that I'd want in charge of my corporation and think is far less a risk than some crumbumb sportswriter's son with a UNC journalism degree & some years as a go-fer in Boston due to who his daddy is.

Neither has been a 'CEO' buck-stops-here before.

There's actually no question in my mind who I'd rather have. There's hundreds of dudes doing or trying to do what McDonough has done.

Grant Hill on the other hand is one of the more unique individuals in the sport amongst his entire generation, I think giving him a shot would be a safer one plus have more upside.

>there's plenty of guys that went into head coaching & GM slots
>without experience, yes, including several great ones.

is there one example of a someone who went directly from playing to being a GM?

and all your gushing praise about "blood/sweat equity/firsthand-knowledge-of-the-league-from-inside-out" fits every single veteran. and i'm not even sure how most of that would make him any better prepared to find loopholes in the CBA.

i'm not even riding for this mcdonough dude, but it's fascinating how furious his backstory makes you.

>i'm not even riding for this mcdonough dude, but it's
>fascinating how furious his backstory makes you.

a) Yes, you are riding for him

b) I don't care about Ryan Mcwhoever. Don't care. My issue is
how quickly you struck down at Grant Hill and yet are squirming
to defend this guy who you know absolutely nothing about.
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>>there's plenty of guys that went into head coaching & GM
>slots
>>without experience, yes, including several great ones.
>
>is there one example of a someone who went directly from
>playing to being a GM?
>
There's lots of examples of guys who've never been GMs or in a front-office role coming into the head chair & succeeding, including the guy you're giving McDonough credit for serving under.

Still hung up about those 26 games Grant played this year?

>and all your gushing praise about "blood/sweat
>equity/firsthand-knowledge-of-the-league-from-inside-out" fits
>every single veteran. and i'm not even sure how most of that
>would make him any better prepared to find loopholes in the
>CBA.
>
Do we really need to pretend there's no difference between Grant Hill & Rick Mahorn?

They both played ball for two decades so their chances of success in an executive role are the same?

You gonna pretend that Grant can't hire a cap-specialist as easy or in fact almost surely easier than Ryan McDonough can be the HGMIC?

>i'm not even riding for this mcdonough dude, but it's
>fascinating how furious his backstory makes you.

Nah, trust, y'all are much more furious than I am about this.

I just find it funny that you've convinced yourself one guy is wildly unqualified because he's uh, been sorta busy, over the past two decades while the other was doing kegstands then learning at Danny Ainge's feet after daddy got him a gig.

It's a really amazingly Republican way of looking at things.

i hate people from boston too, dude. subhuman southie slime.

but that doesn't change the fact that he's been in player personnel for ten years, and is now taking another job in player personnel. he'll probably suck, since phoenix makes shitty decisions all the time.

but we don't know anything about grant hill that indicates he'd be any good whatsoever at being a GM, other than that he's smart and played hoops for a long time. it's not like he's shane battier, who publicly became the poster boy for metrics and sold lebron on the perils of midrange shooting. maybe hill is exactly the same, but we simply have NO IDEA.

the only current players who would make good GMs:

battier
nash
nick collison
mike dunleavy
spencer hawes
manu
matt bonner
luke babbitt
donatas motiejunas
chase budinger

>i hate people from boston too, dude. subhuman southie slime.
>
>but that doesn't change the fact that he's been in player
>personnel for ten years, and is now taking another job in
>player personnel. he'll probably suck, since phoenix makes
>shitty decisions all the time.
>
right, like the last guy with the same resume if not better.

>but we don't know anything about grant hill that indicates
>he'd be any good whatsoever at being a GM, other than that
>he's smart and played hoops for a long time. it's not like
>he's shane battier, who publicly became the poster boy for
>metrics and sold lebron on the perils of midrange shooting.
>maybe hill is exactly the same, but we simply have NO IDEA.
>
Shane Battier publically declares at every opportunity that he doesn't watch basketball & has expressed no interest in doing anything in it post-career.

But I do think Grant Hill is as cerebral as Battier while possessing more cache amongst his peers, following the league closer & being more inclined towards a leadership role.

>the only current players who would make good GMs:
>
>battier
>nash
>nick collison
>mike dunleavy
>spencer hawes
>manu
>matt bonner
>luke babbitt
>donatas motiejunas
>chase budinger
>

- FIRST you google random quotes about how he is genius
enough to know secrets of the universe like Rajon Rondo
would be good to argue that he has an eye for talent and
was instrumental in good draft picks

- Then after that point gets fried (because the Celtics'
picks have been awful more than good during his tenure) you
backtrack to "the picks don't matter, he was in a front
office"

You have NO evidence that this guy knows anything MORE
about basketball than Southphillyman. ZERO. ZILCH. You
SELECTIVELY choose ONE DRAFT PICK to make your case and
then backtrack

AND THEN you run behind the fact that he was MERELY IN a
front office, which he ALSO GOT BECAUSE HE IS WHITE and
privileged

You CHANGED your argument to shape-shift and defend
the WHITE BOY that you KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.


And you had the NERVE to shit on GRANT HILL!?!?


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"what if they aren't qualified? (since we know ALL white people are)" ROFL

>
>- FIRST you google random quotes about how he is genius
>enough to know secrets of the universe like Rajon Rondo
>would be good to argue that he has an eye for talent and
>was instrumental in good draft picks
>
>- Then after that point gets fried (because the Celtics'
>picks have been awful more than good during his tenure) you
>backtrack to "the picks don't matter, he was in a front
>office"
>
>You have NO evidence that this guy knows anything MORE
>about basketball than Southphillyman. ZERO. ZILCH. You
>SELECTIVELY choose ONE DRAFT PICK to make your case and
>then backtrack
>
>AND THEN you run behind the fact that he was MERELY IN a
>front office, which he ALSO GOT BECAUSE HE IS WHITE and
>privileged
>
>You CHANGED your argument to shape-shift and defend
>the WHITE BOY that you KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.
>
>
>And you had the NERVE to shit on GRANT HILL!?!?
>
>
>You're honestly disgusting and an awful person.
>
>
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the other picks were obvious trash to anyone with half a clue.......but I'm sure those weren't Assistant GM McDunny's fault, just Ainge's.

He'll be good.

The rest weren't good picks to begin with (late teens, 20's). You hit some, miss some.

Again.

I'm not convinced he'll be good healthwise for any extended amount of time & if they were gonna take a flyer on him they certainly didn't need to do the same with Fab Melo right aferwards.....then chase that with Kris Joseph.

Someone find me the metric for Syracuse player success in this league post-D.C.

I guarantee you it's a lower percentage than Caramello's worst shooting performance of the season.

Who'd you rather have them pick Robert Sacre?

Would you rather have JuJuan Johnson or Jimmy Butler?

Fab Melo or Teague/Moutrie?

So they went big since they were in need of rebounding and shot blocking.

Moultrie is the same height as Fab Melo, who'd you rather have?

Shit, Lavoy Allen is about a half-inch to an inch shorter but 30 pounds heavier than JuJuan Johnson.

I'd rather have him.

I thought Johnson was a solid pick.

Moore can play in this league too.

They're gonna keep needing better bigs until they have a good enough pick.

>I'd rather have him.
>
>I thought Johnson was a solid pick.
>
It wasn't.

>Moore can play in this league too.
>
Who?

>They're gonna keep needing better bigs until they have a good
>enough pick.

They had good enough picks to get somebody better than who they got.

>>I'd rather have him.
>>
>>I thought Johnson was a solid pick.
>>
>It wasn't.

Of course in hindsight.

But there wasn't much time for him to play. Then he got traded.

>>Moore can play in this league too.
>>
>Who?


Etwuan Moore

>>They're gonna keep needing better bigs until they have a
>good
>>enough pick.
>
>They had good enough picks to get somebody better than who
>they got.

Again with hindsight, you can pick a player here or there they should've gotten. But other teams passed on them too.

When's the last time the Lakers drafted a solid player?

Its not easy with picks in the 20s.

>>>I'd rather have him.
>>>
>>>I thought Johnson was a solid pick.
>>>
>>It wasn't.
>
>Of course in hindsight.
>
>But there wasn't much time for him to play. Then he got
>traded.

dawg he's getting traded around the D-League now.

>
>>>Moore can play in this league too.
>>>
>>Who?
>
>
>Etwuan Moore
>
>>>They're gonna keep needing better bigs until they have a
>>good
>>>enough pick.
>>
>>They had good enough picks to get somebody better than who
>>they got.
>
>Again with hindsight, you can pick a player here or there they
>should've gotten. But other teams passed on them too.
>
of course, with hindsight, what else are we doing here?

>When's the last time the Lakers drafted a solid player?
>
>Its not easy with picks in the 20s.
>
The Lakers haven't had a pick in the 20s since George Bush was president, so not sure what they have to do with it.

Point is if you have three picks between 20-21, you should be able to find *someone* that can actually hold a roster spot until the middle of their rookie deal.

They've got two guys that won't be (Melo & JuJuan) and another guy injured who they drafted knowing he's got injury issues.

Why is this McDonough dude good for being a part of that is what I'm curious about.

>i think his age is just making 30-plus sports fans furious on
>some lena dunham shit.

No, you're white, 33, not very qualified, and suck at basketball,
and so you're defending the white, 33, not very qualified, sucks
at basketball hire while shitting on the charismatic, smart,
highly respected black former basketball star potential hire.

Why?

Because the former getting the job makes you feel better about yourself.

Weird: I'm more like the white guy than the black guy in this
situation and yet I'm magically able to call it like it is.

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to do alter an image of the 8-bit Contra game with one of the dudes shooting the spraw gun at a floating head of Mashburn cheesing.

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I was in tears at work when I saw this at first. Many thanks.

The anti-McDonagh shit here is WILD, man. I mean reducing him to a "go'fer/errand boy/coffee bitch" and saying he got the job because of family ties that, to my eye, have zero influence over the Celtics is funny to me. I kinda respect what CalmInvasion said as at least he was kind of speaking from a knowledgeable position.

McDonagh doesn't have to be a joke for Hill to be qualified. A better job will come along for Hill if he wants it. Maybe he can reverse the curse, we've seen what Danny Ferry and Dem Specs can do already.

>The anti-McDonagh shit here is WILD, man. I mean reducing him
>to a "go'fer/errand boy/coffee bitch" and saying he got the
>job because of family ties that, to my eye, have zero
>influence over the Celtics is funny to me.
>
>McDonagh doesn't have to be a joke for Hill to be qualified. A
>better job will come along for Hill if he wants it. Maybe he
>can reverse the curse, we've seen what Danny Ferry and Dem
>Specs can do already.

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and actually i think i addressed it pretty well by saying that hill is a qualified candidate who will ultimately land a better job than this one soooooo ...

Don't care about him, hope he does well

I got into this because of Giness making shit up about
why Grant Hill wasn't qualified and then COPPING PLEAS,
backtracking, changing his argument mid-sentence.

this is blatant homophobia.

Or at least so it won't get pushed off the boards into Bolivian.

Bumping it saves the post from getting deleted, but the mods won't see that it should be archived unless they get an inbox or it's mentioned in one of those archive request posts...