Have at it guys

Now all I hope is not a retread.

What's a retread bit a guy who has head coaching experience?

Obviously if we're talking JVG or George Karl or someone along those lines, yeah, we should avoid those guys.

At this point I'm hoping for two things?

-Luke

-PHIL AND HIS TREE TO STAY FAR AWAY.

And I want Phil to stay away too.

I don't see it yet. He's been an assistant coach for too little time and did a great job with a team that turned out to be the best regular season team ever - so I don't have an accurate depiction of him as a coach. Loved him as a player, especially as a rookie. He's composed, and he's a great locker room guy - and id like to roll the dice on someone young and new rather than JVG, Mark Jackson, Dunleavy, Monty, etc.

Lulz

.

Now let's see how cats gonna explain this one?

I mean, aside from the usual race baiting agenda bullshit?

He didn't get that opportunity

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They went into the season to lose games, handle their superstars final season, an develop young talent.

He did all 3.

Kinda like D'Angelo developed into a floor general

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One where you take my reasonable and we'll articulated words and twist them around.

You know, like you always do.

>One where you take my reasonable and we'll articulated words
>and twist them around.

Lol

Only thing you've ever articulated is why some people,
like you, shouldn't be on message boards, ever

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You in here denying the Lakers tried to tank and
the whole 9

Gross

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>You in here denying the Lakers tried to tank and
>the whole 9

Pathetic and disgusting

Team was openly tanking

Byron had the rookies playing excellent


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If his job was to tank and he intentionally coached in a way to make sure they tanked, then he’s an awful coach for shitting on them in the process. If tanking was the assignment then there’s no need to remind them that were so awful defensively.

This also means there was no good reason for him to take so many jabs at them through the media, because they were essentially serving a different purpose.

That also assumes that this team, as constructed, under these circumstances, was capable of winning significantly more games if he was coaching his ass off… which, if true, makes this much worse. He could have done his job and tanked the team without throwing them under the bus in the process but he did.

Byron actually looks much worse with your defense.

I think you're starting to unravel now.

Edit that, delete it, I'll let it go


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Not a bad job trying to portray this as a different sort of exchange.

Have you ever had an honest, genuine conversation on here?

You can’t possibly be THIS committed to your OK-character.

Dude just gonna act like the young guys didn't
get much better

That's undeniable


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Further, in what way did benching him make him better that could not have been accomplished without benching him?

You said he “developed” him into a double double player.

He did that before he got benched. In fact, he was in the midst of a stretch of five games where he was coming on very strong when he got benched.

He still got tunnel vision when he got the ball at the end of the season. He passed a little more. He was already a solid playmaker *when* he passed.

What was significantly better at the end of the season from what he was doing when he got benched?

Did his defense improve?

Doesn’t seem like it.

Further, doesn’t Byron shoulder a significant portion of the burden of the defensive deficiencies of everyone on this team? Wasn’t that part of his job? So while he’s letting everyone know how bad they are defensively in their exit interviews, how much responsibility do you think he gives himself for that?

Or was Byron just a really good teacher with really poor students?

D'Angelo improved...UNQUESTIONABLY

Randle improved...unquestionably

We only question the cause because the coach is
black

Nance was a 2nd round pick who developed and looks
like a true contributor moving forward

Guys got better.

Again: if it's a white coach, we're admitting that
and extending his contract.


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Nothing I’ve said indicates either is remotely true.

I mean, we both know tall tales are your stock in trade but I’m the one with the level and even-keeled disposition.

Conversely, you’re trying too hard to swag out and turn a discussion into a dumpster fire. This is evidenced by your badly misplaced “you’re in the process of a meltdown” comment early on.

Team was openly tanking

The ROOKIES got better, and Kobe was treated well

That was the point of the season.

Those are UNDENIABLE. Lakers have 3 key pieces, all very
young, all much better than they were when they started.

>Conversely, you’re trying too hard to swag out and turn a
>discussion into a dumpster fire. This is evidenced by your
>badly misplaced “you’re in the process of a meltdown”
>comment early on.

Nah, you're already melting down.




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If tanking was the goal, there was no need to trash them for it- especially in public.

If he was actually trying to win and they were as awful as he was saying, he shoulders some of the blame for their defensive woes.

Either way, Byron didn’t do anything remarkable in the face of those circumstances.

Further, you conveniently ignored yet another very simple question:
In what ways did they improve that were specifically due to being benched?

Instead of offering a thoughtful response, you performed your OE “act”.

You’re not even a person. You’re a personality. I’ve been calm, cool, and collected for the duration of this discussion. You’ve been the usual caricature. There’s no “meltdown”, no matter how hard you’ve tried to steer it that direction.

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

kobe next coach

Tank commander, you are relieved.

What is the point of them paying two coaches at once next season? He was a company man brought in to fall on the sword and he did it with valor. I wonder if he wanted to come back, knowing him I would say yes but he's also been through some tough stuff with the death of his mother and the stress of coaching a horrible team with delusional fans (I kid, I kid, kind of).

they cut they coach when the ball drop WHOA WHOA WHOA, YEAH YEAH YEAH

we have to see what's going to happen with the front office...

is Jim staying in place..... Mitch?

is Phil coming?

that has to be determined (if it hasn't already) before a coach is hired...

also...them ping pong balls would determine if we're going to stay really young....or if the balls don't fall our way....Free agency is more important..... and even if we do get a top 3 pick...we could move the pick to try and get a player like Cousins...

lot of other things have to fall in place .....

but I think moving on from B now was the right move...

obviously we'd give Luke a look..... Marc Jackson would be someone else I'd like to see us check out...... oh..and Kevin Ollie and Monte Williams..

He deserved a shot without the Kobe circus and conflicting priorities.

He still mismanaged this team from start to finish, though to what degree is up for debate.

Frankly this depends on who they bring in to replace him.

Contract was only partially guaranteed - and he didn't meet the performance incentives for it to be fully guaranteed.

Well, bye.

Also - Mitch HAS to stay. He has to.

To be GM.

Brett Brown still has a job.

>
>Brett Brown still has a job.
>

>>
>>Brett Brown still has a job.
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>


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And Sam Mitchell

Both should have the chance to coach their squads

Brett Brown was extended
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He coaches for another team.

The Lakers do not make the decisions for that team.

I mean, we all know you’re dancing around your usual race baiting nonsense. You may as well just go all in and say what you mean instead of this mealy mouthed routine you’re putting on.

We doing Haiku or what?

Drop a verse, bro



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That is, if you were a reasonable human being who was trying to participate in a reasonable discussion.

Instead you’re trying ridiculously hard- and unsuccessfully- to manufacture an entirely different sort of interaction.

It would be easier to answer the question if your premise wasn’t so absurd and you weren’t trying so hard to generate a different kind of response.

The wind has to do with several things.

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Only black coaches have winning incentives on a year
when the front office is openly trying to lose games.

This is so fucking offensive and disgusting.


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It's one hell of a bet on yourself that even with the front office tanking you think you can get a playoff push (or whatever the option activator was) just on your own skills, but it's an epically bad reading of the situation. I mean, fuck the Lakers if they insisted, but Byron also had the option to say no.

Fuck them for insisting on contract terms….. that he accepted?

Did they have his first born captive or something?
Was he unaware of the terms of the deal he signed?

Don’t get me wrong, this situation is all bad. He wound up mired in a lose-lose scenario but I don’t think he did anything remarkable in the face of those circumstances that make this the “disgusting” situation that our resident race baiter says it is.

Sounds about right


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Sounds like OE.

There were two ways to handle that specific coaching search: 1) be up front and say "look, we're not expecting much, but consider this season an audition for next year, when we expect to be reloaded and dangerous. If you can make sure these players see quality minutes and make solid progressions, we'll bring you back."

2) Do what the Lake Show did, which is take a candidate who was part of their most successful era, and insist that he only come on board if he takes performance actuators that the team has no hope of hitting, thus playing off of a) said coach's ties to the organization and b) his pride. This might have been Byron's last shot, and he couldn't be certain that the Lakers job was ever going to come around again.

Yes, he and/or his agent should have tried to parlay the situation into something more closely approaching 1 (maybe even had the performance incentives tie to the development of key rookies), but we aren't privy to what the negotiations were like. So yes, it was Byron's decision, but fuck the Lakers if they insisted on the performance option.

Kobe was openly sitting out home games, attending road
games, just getting his applause and farewell on

Team had ZERO desire to win

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Let's run down his accomplishments this year:

Helped sell season tickets as Laker legend coaching GOAT's last year.

Developed the young players as much as possible on the GOAT farewell tour.

Hopefully helps the team keep its draft pick with doing his best coaching job of a depleted roster.

Possibly got Jim Buss out the paint after the season making some Lakers fans happy?

Deflected the ever loving shit out of the bullets that came in the form of criticisms towards the younger players minus Russell's snapchat dirty macking.

Finally, leaves the Lakers is a great position moving forward.

Than to fire him midseason next year, right?

And he had his franchise player fighting in the street

Byron deserved the chance to coach this team.

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Let me try to be 1/2 the imbecile you are

This can be fun

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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

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To me the "so-and-so did a good enough job last year to deserve to coach the team next year" logic is really backward thinking. In fact the people you hear using that logic are the other members of the coaching fraternity, who always close ranks and protect their own, and don't have the best interests of any particular team at heart (apart from the one they happen to be coaching, if employed at that moment). But management's proper obligation is indeed to doing what's in the best interests of their team. Even if the coach did a great job last year, if there's a guy available and gettable whom management has reason to believe would do a better job next year, they should go out and get him.

For example, how long did Scott Brooks "deserve" to keep coaching OKC? The team went from expectedly awful in his first year (22 wins!) to 50 wins (playoffs), to 55 wins (WCF), and then to the Finals (beating a supposedly invincible Spurs team along the way). And Westbrook, Durant, and Harden sure developed under him, if we're using that metric! Yet IMO Brooks should've been fired immediately after those 2012 Finals for failing to bench Kendrick Perkins, because to me Brooks more or less threw that series by refusing to make a blindingly obvious adjustment. He clearly wasn't the coach to take them to the next level.

You should absolutely slam the Sixers and all these organizations who give white coaches more time even after they've demonstrated they don't have what it takes. And you can criticize LA for firing Byron, if you don't believe they can get a coach who'll do better going forward than Byron would have. But this "earned it" shit is just the wrong paradigm.

i did not need another media hype job for a pursuit we were obviously going to strike out on

they had expectations on making the playoffs...at least as a 7th or 8th seed which is perhaps why Scott's contract did contain win incentives

I saw Kareem give an interview before the start of the season and even he said the Lakers were going to surprise everyone on how much they had improved from last season and that they would be a playoff team

What happened was no one expected Kobe to be as bad as he was (not even Bean) and once it became apparent he was done pretty much a few gms into the season Scott *WILLINGLY* went along for the ride and gave Bean carte blanche to ignore the team's needs and made the entire season ALL abt Kobe


No, Byron Scott does not deserve to continue coaching this team because that was NEVER the intent in the 1st place - he was ALWAYS a stop gap - the way in which he *publicly* ridiculed the young players in the media is enough to give him the boot...I'm almost certain none of the returning (young) players want him back. He's always had a reputation for wearing his welcome out particularly w/star players (J Kidd/CP3)

>they had expectations on making the playoffs...at least as a
>7th or 8th seed which is perhaps why Scott's contract did
>contain win incentives

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar expects Lakers to end playoff drought this season http://m.axs.com/kareem-abdul-jabbar-expects-lakers-to-end-playoff-drought-this-season-69212

>Kareem Abdul-Jabbar expects Lakers to end playoff drought
>this season
>http://m.axs.com/kareem-abdul-jabbar-expects-lakers-to-end-playoff-drought-this-season-69212

So argument is a quote from one of the most demanding
and impressive human beings who ever walked the face
of the earth?

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

nah.

>nah.
>
>

the postseason


Once again you are making up stuff

They never went into this season w/the intention of tanking

If not the worst team in the West.

I'm sure they hoped that Kobe would be Kobe, Hibbert would wake up, Randle and Russell would be stars, but realistically, most people had them as a long shot of breaking out of the bottom 8 in the league, nevermind making the top 8 in the West.

The best possible outcome that most sane Lakers fan had was let's see what we have with Randle and Russell...and let Kobe be healthy

Making the playoffs in the Western conference? Someone must've hit Snoop's blunt

.

I'm just wondering who wants to take the job with the team as constructed. Hire someone after the lottery? I'm curious what will happen if they don't secure a top 3 pick.

He has the experience with an extensive championship pedigree. Think of a far, far, far, far, far, far, better David Blatt with much more experience and less ego.

Luke *could work as well. The emphasis on could refers to the fact that he coached an elite team to a 39-4 record in Kerr's abscence.

I vote for Ettore as a Lakers fan since GOAT's first preseason game as a Laker.

This is the third year and Jeanie has said that WCF is her measure of success.

So that expectation is based on Jim not getting the ax, not any realistic expectation of what we can put together this offseason.

That said, no expectation cannot be set until the lottery. We land a top two pick and our offseason landscape changes dramatically.

We don't know who the coach is.

We don't know the FA situation.

We don't know whether or not we're getting a pick.

Expectations are hard to set right now.

I suppose we'll start with not throwing players under the bus in the media?

I'd say the former is more likely than the latter but Kobe leaving opens up a shitload of cap space and they have young guys to deal as well.

I think the key is keeping the pick and moving it for a veteran who will help them lure other vets. If they can't find a deal, it could be tough to get guys to sign.

Luke with Ettore Messina as the assistant HC to run the offense, mirroring the W's hiring of Kerr with Gentry to run the offense.

Lol...hoping the title of assistant HC and a nice pay bump could entice him.

Honest question. Luke hasn't even had 10% of Messinas experience.

I think they are looking for a HC who will grow with and develop with the players, like Brad Stevens in Boston. Luke's Laker history also makes him a firm fit in terms of the organization.

He’s got a nice lil resume. Nothing off the charts until his HC stint this past year, but with UOM and the D-Fenders he’s got a recent track record dealing with young, developing players.

I think the GS experience is being downplayed in a big way. I think there are enough similarities in the construction of our key pieces going forward that he can apply some of that mojo to this team. I’m under no delusions that Randle and JC will turn into Draymond or Klay defensively but Steph is an interesting blueprint for Dlo to follow and adding another GS guy like Harrison Barnes in the offseason (not unlikely, though I’m not crazy about the likely cost of acquisition) could help us tremendously over the next few years.

I think your Luke/Messina combo idea is perfect for this team personally. Two guys from two organizations who represent the class of the modern pro basketball game would be the best we could realistically hope for. Both guys would presumably bring a culture and current credibility that nobody else on that list really has. To honest I’m not crazy about anyone on the list after Luke, Messina, and Ollie. I get a knot in my stomach every time I encounter Jeff Van Gundy’s name in relation to the Lakers.

Frankly I think Luke would be warmly welcomed by most LA fans.

We know what Luke has been exposed to in GS but the question becomes does exposure to something (in this case building a certain culture and team attitude, and in the W's case, much of that culture and effort change was already implemented by Marc Jackson which Kerr built on) correlate with actually being able to foster it yourself?

I personally believe Luke has the wherewithal and understanding of organization/psychosocial factors that go beyond just the game to implement that type of culture change. As you said with Messina, he further lends a hand in that organizational change and brings with him some serious tactical X's and O's ability to complement Luke's player management and development. That brain trust would be absolutely incredible imo

Honestly, I think Luke’s Warriors experience is just the tip of the iceberg. The overall combination of his personality + his tenure as a Lakers player + his time at UOM and the D-Fenders in addition to his time with the Warriors works to his advantage for this particular gig.

I think those specific experiences give him a grasp on aspects of managing strong personalities that Messina may not. Plus so much of Luke’s coaching career has been spent with younger players as opposed to the veterans on The Spurs, who have had relatively few bumps in the road and have been the model of stability on all fronts for so long on a team filled with veteran leadership that I wonder how Messina would handle some of the quirkier aspects of this youthful group.

He’s definitely more of an unknown quantity than Messina but given the fact that, IMO, the best candidates for this gig are all relatively unproven on this level I think he stands out from the mix of himself, Ollie, and Messina for this job in this city with this group of youngsters. I’d love to be a fly on the wall of their interviews to get a better grasp on what they’d like to do with this roster, who they think they can recruit in FA, and what their 3 year goals are.

It’s awfully hard to see Luke or Messina coming here to take an assistants job to sit under the other guy, but there may be something enticing if they both got a significant pay raise to take their respective strengths and build the next chapter of Lakers legacy from scratch in tandem.

That said I’m good if it’s either of those two or Kevin Ollie. It would be infuriating to see them pass on Byron just to bring in a codger like JVG or recent cuckold like Blatt. If that’s the route they wind up taking then they should have just given Byron another shot.

i doubt its for an Asst job

But that doesn't preclude us from offering him the assistant HC position, raising his annual salary, and giving him control of the offense.

Having a powerful coif strolling the sidelines will propel y'all back to glory?

do we know his style/philosophy? what he's good at, what his weaknesses are, etc.

are from actual Lakers fans?

One for talk amongst Laker fans and those interested in actually talking basketbal; the other for everything else. Immediately when I saw the post count, I knew what it had turned into.

The actual fans of the team tend to have a nuanced view of things, as they've been following ins and outs rather watching Sportscenter and caping for agendas.

I actually thought that was pretty obvious...wasn't trying to make it anything unique to only Laker fans

And discussed specific reasons why I'm ambivalent about this. Dude tried his best to paint it as something else but nobody reads past the header.

and you're able to have different takes depending on the context. OE does not, it's all a one note character (which is actually sad to me because when he used to actually contribute thoughtfully, or on the rare occasion that he does so now, it enriches the board....similar to how SPM was way back when until it all just became transparent agenda stuff).

Like I said in a previous post, I'm glad someone has the energy to go back and forth with that nonsense lol.

So the one who actually knows wtf they are doing had nothing
to do with it!?!?!


OOOOOOHHHHHHH

http://lakers.247sports.com/Bolt/Jeanie-Buss-had-no-idea-that-the-Lakers-were-firing-Byron-Scott-45022201

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

in no way is she lying, but does she not see that she is making her job harder by telling just how dysfunctional they are these days?

i don't necessarily fault her because they are making some *ahem* unwise moves, but other than the "we'll see who is left standing" crash and burn willingness, but still....

it's like watching an 80s prime time soap opera

You have zero evidence of that, so I'll wait.

All cuz of O_E?!?!


Bwahahahahahhahahhahaa


I RUN this motherfucka

Will you answer or nah

Answer it


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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For mine you actually need to prove something and you're dodging as per usual so...

This decision is no different.

You're unraveling man, take a break from this agenda stuff.

i know the while division of labor, but still it *would* have been nice for someone to have told her before her friends and reporters did

(note: she still salty they how they handles that last "almost" go-round with PJ. you can hear it everytime she talks about it)

Jim, for his coaching hire faults, has made more good moves than bad.

Jeannie has never made a basketball decision. Why is this dude parroting some bullshit Lakersground or r/lakers thoughts that Jeannie would be the best choice to run the team when she's never done it? I think Jeannie is great, and great at her job, but I've got no reason to believe she's the best person to do the job because she's never done the job.

And her being locked out of decisions because of
sexism is cool with you?

Aight

Any evidence of Jeannie Buss being locked out due to sexism, or her being a great GM-type? That'd be dope if you had it.

Answer the question, dogg...otherwise you just look like you're dodging.

>Any evidence of Jeannie Buss being locked out due to sexism,
>or her being a great GM-type? That'd be dope if you had it.
>
>Answer the question, dogg...otherwise you just look like
>you're dodging.


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

Go back to Lakersground with your baseless lies.

Jeannine's never made a basketball decision in her life. She might be amazing at it. She might suck at it. But you aren't answering questions that make you look dumb so I'm done with you. Bye.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

she just gave her brother complete control over basketball decisions, probably out of pity. i think she even gave him a 3-year timeline before she forces him to step down.

She's in charge of business operations

and can put someone else in charge of basketball ops if she wanted to

>and can put someone else in charge of basketball ops if she
>wanted to

see what he could have done without the albatross that was Kobe.

he came in when damn near nobody wanted the job (mainly on some laker-loyalty)

i didn't think he was a good fit because he never seemed like someone who wanted to deal with young players, and it was evident that these cats resented the preferential treatment Kobe got (fairly or not) and he didn't do jack to mitigate it

yet still....

that is a LOT of Ls to keep taking

i really feel he never had a fair shot and ended being a sacrificial lamb, to what end it remains to be seen

on pretty much every level the Lakers are a tire fire

well, except maybe Phil, so I can't put that on Byron. I would have liked to see what he could have done with a Kobe-less roster. Hard to properly assess someone during a legend's farewell tour.

One, because this organization is a mess and a veteran coach would be able to manage the front office and a young team more effectively than a younger coach.

And two, Luke isn't ready, at least not yet. His run with the Warriors is very impressive, but hiring him would be the equivalent of the Seahawks signing Matt Flynn based on one good game with a different set of circumstances from most games.

I don't think that he didn't coach the team, but he probably had a lot of input and those games weren't close. That fact is important because he didn't have to make key in-game adjustments that he would have to make regularly with this team.

He also hasn't had to build a team from the ground up like he would have to in LA. As far as I know he wasn't a holdover from Jackson's staff and he likely mossed out on watching the team develop over time.

The coaches that might make the most sense would be Blatt and Monty Williams. Blast hasn't built a team, but he was chosen by the Cavs to develop that team sans LeBron and Love and while he wasn't a good fit with a superstar, he would be able to give a team a solid offensive offense approach. He might also be able to deal better with the press since he's from Europe and LA is a more cosmopolitan city than Cleveland.

Monty has overachieved every year and seemed to do well developing AD. He's not an LA vet and doesn't have the experience coaching in such a high pressure place, but he seems to be well liked and respected and also is young enough to relate to his players and be experienced and decent enough of a person to earn their respect.

Mark Jackson and van Gundy would be interesting as well. I think Jackson got a bad rep because he poorly managed his situation with the front office in Oakland. Maybe he's leaned to tone down his persona and work better with his management team.

.

I like Luke, but he worked with the greatest regular season team of all time. We REALLY don't know what he can do, and to be honest - the coaching hires from this franchise have been shit outside of Phil. Fingers crossed.

Hate to see him leave, but this move makes sense for him. Better here than Houston (can't believe I now dislike the Rockets more than the Lakers).

Guess I'm going to have to get used to watching second in commands go all the time now. Jarron Collins next up.

>Guess I'm going to have to get used to watching second in
>commands go all the time now. Jarron Collins next up.

And land the #1 overall and we're in business.

Tough to judge the coaching job he did and how it'll translate to the Lakers. A veteran team that had been together vs. a potentially young team or a team that is just getting together (if the Lakers trade the kids for vets.)

The assistant coach hires as going to be VERY important. Interesting to see where they go.

this is awful.

just because he knows what kind of donuts and coffee Kerr likes with his morning paper, doesnt make him fit to coach one of the most storied franchises in the NBA.

what a joke.

at least do your research before you just throw wild statements around.

I mean he's a son of a HOFer, but he ain't paid his coaching dues.
Them white former players sure know how to land in the sweet spot tho.
Meanwhile Sam Cassell, ten times the player Luke was, been an assistant for seven years, lookin' like "when is my time gonna come?".

You should just state your plea cops and move your goal posts now

>I mean he's a son of a HOFer, but he ain't paid his coaching
>dues.
>Them white former players sure know how to land in the sweet
>spot tho.
>Meanwhile Sam Cassell, ten times the player Luke was, been an
>assistant for seven years, lookin' like "when is my time gonna
>come?".

.

Please, enlighten us further.

lol, theyre a well oiled machine.

this dude got this job only because of steve kerr's back.


w/e. i guess they're trying to tank the 2016-17 season too. have fun w that

edit...im really surprised at how the oks laker contingent is so satisfied with this hire

You're a Buckeye fan, not a Lakers fan so please don't pretend otherwise.

We'll check back in two years when we're doing well and you guys are giving Luke zero credit.

>You're a Buckeye fan, not a Lakers fan so please don't
>pretend otherwise

& your best player is a Buckeye. Hence my rooting interests. Do I need to draw you a venn diagram.

you're a blind Laker homer infatuated with a famous last name which is why I can look at this objectively and you cannot


>We'll check back in two years when we're doing well and you
>guys are giving Luke zero credit

Lakers not making the playoffs for the next two years so I'm not sure what your idea of "doing well" is but have fun with that

>your best player is a Buckeye. Hence my rooting interests.
>Do I need to draw you a venn diagram.

Seems I'm the one who needs to draw a diagram for you since you clearly didn't understand that this is why I noted that you're a Buckeye fan to begin with.

Anyhow Luke is right man for this job and we currently have an excellent set of circumstances and you're mad about it.

Have fun overstating every downside and ignoring every upside. We'll continue view this hire with perspective and nuance. We're well aware that a young and unproven head coach comes a with some potential drawbacks, that it's a gamble, and that there are other chips that need to call right (i.e, Luke's staff will be critical, the threat of Feel returning) but since you guys are quite CLEARLY uninterested in any actual nuanced perspective in this situation for your collective agenda clown show, I'm just gonna sit back and laugh while we rebuild.

slightly annoyed, at most.

if the Pistons had hired this curly haired clown face bum, I'd be really annoyed. Sports dont really make me mad anymore. I'll be 32 soon. Too old for that nonsense.

>>your best player is a Buckeye. Hence my rooting interests.
>>Do I need to draw you a venn diagram.
>
>Seems I'm the one who needs to draw a diagram for you since
>you clearly didn't understand that this is why I noted that
>you're a Buckeye fan to begin with.

brilliant observation #1..so you can see why I'd want a coach who has experience grooming young point guards. Lol, I'm not buying one ounce of bullshit if anyone tries telling me he was integral to Curry's development.

>Anyhow Luke is right man for this job and we currently have an
>excellent set of circumstances and you're mad about it.

what circumstances? as of now in the year of your lord April 30th, 2016

1. you dont have a number 1 pick (edit, in already weak draft class)

2. no real interest from any free agents (i doubt any of hte big fish this offseason will want to play for some n00b, if you land one, ill take the L)

it was this kind of presumed Laker arrogance that made lamarcus aldridge say yeaaaa no thanks btw

3. a coach with no proven track record as a head coach of a young developing team.

>We'll continue view this hire with perspective and nuance.
>We're well aware that a young and unproven head coach comes a
>with some potential drawbacks, that it's a gamble, and that
>there are other chips that need to call right (i.e, Luke's
>staff will be critical, the threat of Feel returning)

oh yea, I forgot about the vast experience he has putting together good coaching staff. my bad.



but
>since you guys are quite CLEARLY uninterested in any actual
>nuanced perspective in this situation for your collective
>agenda clown show, I'm just gonna sit back and laugh while we
>rebuild.


your optimism is endearing. and you still havent quantified what "doing well in two years" is.

playoffs? highly doubtful as of now.

more "asset stockpiling"?

we all know how well that works out.

good luck with this incestous Lannister ass hire.

nothing more than that 'TISM

Your dedicated, I'll give you that.

>brilliant observation #1..so you can see why I'd want a coach
>who has experience grooming young point guards. Lol, I'm not
>buying one ounce of bullshit if anyone tries telling me he was
>integral to Curry's development.
>
>>Anyhow Luke is right man for this job and we currently have
>an
>>excellent set of circumstances and you're mad about it.
>
>what circumstances? as of now in the year of your lord April
>30th, 2016

You don’t know the Lakers current set of circumstances?

Let’s start with four very good young players with generally unknown ceilings with a high enough floor that there’s genuine reason for excitement for them going forward.

Then add, what, sixty mil in cap room?

Then add the potential for a top three pick.

It’s funny that all the Lakers haters/non-fans see is our record, the kobe retirement circus, and the name Jim Buss

>1. you dont have a number 1 pick (edit, in already weak draft
>class)

*yet*


We may or may not get that pick, but again, we’re in as good a position as anyone to get one of the two picks that matter. Also, if it’s such a weak draft, it makes little difference if we don’t land that top three pick if whatever was left was weak anyways. So that’s a wash.


>2. no real interest from any free agents (i doubt any of hte
>big fish this offseason will want to play for some n00b, if
>you land one, ill take the L)

Maybe. Maybe not. It’s a tough sell, but, you assume all Lakers fans prefer a big fish FA scenario or that this is the best scenario for the team. If we get Durant? Sure. That changes things. Getting that top two pick also changes everything.

-get the pick, draft Ingram or Simmons and let them develop with the rest. If we strike out on all the big names, so be it. Throw bigger money at quality veterans for short term deals to help this team develop.

OR

Trade the pick. Say, Chicago for Jimmy Butler. I’m guessing Simmons and Ingram will both draw interest from various teams. If we land a cat like JB on draft night free agency looks a lot different.

Oh, I know, there’s no guarantee we get the pick and even if we did there’s not guarantee he’d pan out and even if we wanted to trade the pick there’s no guarantee anyone offers anything good and if….

Yeah. I know. We all know. We all understand this. We all get it.
We’re in a better position than a rebuilding team could reasonably hope for at this stage.

>it was this kind of presumed Laker arrogance that made
>lamarcus aldridge say yeaaaa no thanks btw

What presumptions on my part? What arrogance on my part? What you talking about?

You’re conflating “good positioning going forward” with “everything is guaranteed to work out exactly the way we need it to”.

If NOTHING ELSE GOES RIGHT, we still have Randle. We still have Russell. We still have Nance. Those are some nice pieces to start the rebuilding process.

>3. a coach with no proven track record as a head coach of a
>young developing team.

Yeah. No shit. We know. None of the older coaches are very attractive. PLEASE tell me who all these established veterans that were can’t miss prospects and didn’t bring in some baggage with them.

We got a young guy on his way up from a winning program with ties to this team and community who can grow with the players on this team.

PLEASE, show me everyone acting like Luke isn’t going to make mistakes.
PLEASE, show me everyone acting like Luke has some sparkling track record as a head coach.
PLEASE, show me the sparkling track record of all the experienced head coaches we hired these last several years.

Fun fact: the only way to get real head coaching experience is to….. Become a real head coach.
Another fun fact: EVERY HEAD COACH WAS ONCE A FIRST TIME HEAD COACH.

>oh yea, I forgot about the vast experience he has putting
>together good coaching staff. my bad.


…because that’s what was said.

lol

I mean, you’re disingenuous at every turn. Every single statement you’ve made is intellectually dishonest and hinges on assumptions that AREN’T BEING MADE BY LAKERS FANS IN THIS POST.


>your optimism is endearing.

Your pessimism is completely dishonest and contextually ignorant.
My “optimism” is rooted in a lot of positive factors currently in play.

Again, you’re conflating hopeful optimism with presumptive arrogance and the two couldn’t be further apart. Your perception of my position is hilariously inaccurate because you insist on a dishonest interpretation at every turn.

>and you still havent quantified
>what "doing well in two years" is.

>playoffs? highly doubtful as of now.
>
>more "asset stockpiling"?
>
>we all know how well that works out.
>
>good luck with this incestous Lannister ass hire.
>
>nothing more than that 'TISM

No, you’re right. We have NO good young players, NO chance at a very good draft pick, NO cap room and if we DID have ANY of that, ALL of it would amount to NOTHING anyways and we’re doomed to the dark ages for all eternity.

That about sums up your take here.

Oh, and I’m calling it now: We’ll make the playoffs in two years.
Now, tell me all the excuses you’ll make when the time comes 

Luke, just like Kerr, went to Arizona and learned from Lute as well, which is partly why he was ALWAYS a really intelligent player, even if he wasn't the most talented. i knew it even as a Laker fan who hated Luke as a player. i knew he was more cerebral than 95% of the guys he was playing with. Luke isn't some dude who just knows the right people and is well liked enough. Bill isn't getting him these opportunities. Luke gets these opportunities because he can coach, and he's proven his intelligence for over a decade now. there were stories about how cerebral he was during practices and while running plays. Sam Cassell was a FAR better player, but that doesn't mean he is automatically a better coach. Learning from a guy like Lute Olsen, plus being naturally bright, and having Bill for a father, gave Luke an advantage. He's learned from Lute, Phil, Kerr (who also learned from Phil), and many others. a lot of players don't get the opportunity to learn from so many great minds. very few players get the opportunity to win as much as Luke has. but all of that combined, plus much more, has made him into a very good coach.

..I don't agree, but I get it.

he's young, the family ties, his impressive (albeit short) stint as the assistant coach of the defending world champion warriors. I get it.

the lakers are looking to shake things up a bit. Byron Scott is a solid coach with an impressive résumé, but his deliberate/patient approach to the game isn't really appreciated in today's NBA.

while Walton is certainly a student of the game, this is one helluva gamble. only time will tell.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

It's either old school guys who are out of touch with this generation or tend to want to much power or young upstarts like Luke or older assistants like Messina. A guy like Blatt likely has a stank on him after Bron cuckholded him.

IMO the three best guys for *this* team were unproven as an NBA head coach.

Luke's more than the guy who picks up Steve's dry cleaning and everyone saying that's case probably didn't follow that situation all that close.

they could have coaxed someone out of retirement like sloan or adelman or, less ancient, van gundy but no sure things there. this was about as clean of a hire as they could have made

..i know that quite a few people were in a hurry to see the lakers back on top, but the road to the top isn't easy.

the org has been in complete disarray since phil jackson left and its no secret that their decision making in that regard has been questionable, to say the least.

like i said before, i understand the move from scott to walton. i think it was premature, but given the circumstances, i understand their haste.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

Fixed it.

They run pieces of the triangle in GS.

I'm concerned with the possibility of Jeannie Buss hiring Feel and what that may portend, not Luke installing elements of the triangle.

likely resemble the warriors.

Didn't he help craft it?

Luke rolling in town like "PIMP-PIMP-HURRAY!!!"

By all accounts, it was Mitch, Jim, and Luke talking all things Laker basketball...where we are now, the roster, and the vision for where we want to go and how to get there.

"I don't think the triangle's the most appropriate style of offense for the players they have in place"

https://twitter.com/SherwoodStrauss/status/726498213797064704

Seems like such a simple concept yet so many instances where a coach/staff tries to force a concept.

.

I'm just asking

Why?

lol we don't even know if they get to keep their draft pick or not. they were godawful this year and lost a guy who, busted as he became, was still one of their better players.

>lol we don't even know if they get to keep their draft pick
>or not. they were godawful this year and lost a guy who,
>busted as he became, was still one of their better players.

Y'ALL SEE THIS RACIST SHIT!?!?!?!??!?

SO BYRON WAS CRITICIZED FOR PLAYING KOBE

Now we PLEA COPPING for LUKE ALREADY by saying "Well, they
don't have Kobe"

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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If they get both, this team should contend

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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As an OkaySports outsider...I be looking at y'all go at it like "WHERE THE HELL DID THIS SHIT COME FROM!!!"

I guess I shoulda picked up Captain OkayAmerica Issue 75 or some shit.

D

esp since there's no real honesty within them.

for me. Sometimes they're funny...most times they go beyond reason.

>esp since there's no real honesty within them.

When Laker fans was nitpicking EVERY SINGLE Mike Brown
substitution, that WAS an AGENDA.

When they weren't NEARLY as critical of D'Antoni, that
WAS AN AGENDA

When we copping pleas for Walton because "He doesn't
have his best player, Kobe," that IS AN AGENDA


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>When they weren't NEARLY as critical of D'Antoni, that
>WAS AN AGENDA

LMAO you're aware archives exist, right?

>
>When we copping pleas for Walton because "He doesn't
>have his best player, Kobe," that IS AN AGENDA

You're aware we can literally read what CC wrote, right? Like...it's right there.

EVERYONE has agendas, bro.

All y'all.

This high and mighty shit y'all pull is pathetic
and you should be ashamed of yourselves

Just because you ain't got the chops to defend your
positions don't mean you don't have an agenda.

You have one.

You just can't defend it.


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Still doesn't change the fact you just lied, twice...you dummy.

You don't seem to know how quotations or the archives work

So now it's Paul George or Durant and all that?

How come Scott didn't get a chance to coach that talent?

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You're showing some real signs of multiple personality disorder...this personality being the really lame one.

I'm pretty sure the Aldridge and Melo meetings were faked like the moon landing.

Do the math and show your work.

None of these assertions.
Cite some actual facts.

I take it the meetings with guys like Melo and LA were all part of the vast conspiracy by the snarling white devils in order to screw the darkie.

Please, walk us through all that.

ohh, that's right, your agenda.

I mean, Walton isn't going to have to coddle rookies
like Byron did, so the team will be muuuuch better,
but if they don't sign a super star, and are still a
mediocre team (as in, not much better than they should
be given the development of young guys), Walton gets
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"...succeeds, and gets fired."

So Luke is winning in a season where the front office openly tanking,
caring more about playing Kobe on a farewell tour than winning?

Also, young guys better because Byron developed them. We already
saw them improve last year. That isn't debatable.

Luke Walton seems like a great guy, but I'm not interested
in him.

I'm saying Byron, like most black people, wasn't given
a fair chance. He was asked to actively lose games
and give Kobe a farewell tour. ALL the young players
improved by season's end, and yet he didn't get a chance
to coach any of them in a non-tanking, non-Kobe year.

Related thing happened to Sam Mitchell in Minnesota.
Can anyone *really* argue that he'd be doing worse than
Thibs would be doing with that roster? And Lulz...Thibs
got FRONT OFFICE power....Lulz...how?


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And to be honest fairness doesn't matter in these decisions. Management should do what's best for the TEAM, looking forward, not what's most "fair" to the coach based on his past performance. Nobody "deserves" anything. If one coach does a great job (not how I'd describe the job Byron did btw), but management has the opportunity to replace him with someone who'll do a better job going forward than the old coach would do, management SHOULD make a change.

We don't know if Luke was "better for this team" because
Byron never had an opportunity.

The only Luke we saw was the one who coached the most
talented team in league history in Golden State, then
the defending champions.

>And to be honest fairness doesn't matter in these decisions.
>Management should do what's best for the TEAM, looking
>forward, not what's most "fair" to the coach based on his past
>performance. Nobody "deserves" anything. If one coach does a
>great job (not how I'd describe the job Byron did btw), but
>management has the opportunity to replace him with someone
>who'll do a better job going forward than the old coach would
>do, management SHOULD make a change.


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So it's all about how we back up our opinions with arguments. Not insults.

>So it's all about how we back up our opinions with arguments.
>Not insults.

ONE.

So he's already demonstrated his ability to win.

What has he lacked?

Teams that have any talent, at all. He doesn't get
hired into good situations.


THAT is the issue here.

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in a weak ass East and promptly got steamrolled both times.

Yeah.

It's telling that this is your strongest argument for why Byron was a better choice for THIS team in 2016 with the way the game is played TODAY.

Not exactly a strong foundation.

Meds

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arguments for Byron and against Luke.

This is how it works: you guys come up with excuses for
some guys, and not others.

Pathetic.

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That is your stock in trade after all, Trash.

Bwhahahhahhahahhahhahhahahahaah

You mad ass bag of hoecakes, you

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n/m

You took it there, not me, Trash.

>You took it there, not me, Trash.


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The only time I ever inboxed you was to let you know I had the hookup on audiobooks like five years ago.

In fact, so you don't photoshop some shit, record a video clip of you opening my inbox.

I'll wait.

>The only time I ever inboxed you was to let you know I had
>the hookup on audiobooks like five years ago.

That was dope of you, thanks.

>In fact, so you don't photoshop some shit, record a video clip
>of you opening my inbox.
>
>I'll wait.

Nah, you wishing ill on people.

I'm wishing you well.


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But I still got the hookup on audiobooks if you're ever interested, because I'm a genuinely nice guy.

Cool?


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Why?

You're wrong.
And mad.

Please, tell us more.

Meds

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.

You right.

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Hence his persistent, irrelevant and disingenuous crusade against the Lakers making the easiest no brainer choice any team had in the entire 2016 NBA offseason.

If he had any sense he wouldn't be in here to begin with .

I have no proof he's a better coach than Byron, tho.

Byron goes the the NBA Finals -- "well, of course he did,
the East was weak."

Luke coaches the best team ever to an undefeated record:
"Look how Luke handled all that talent!"

Byron coaches an openly tanking team coddling Kobe in
a farewell tour: "He's obviously not the guy to carry
these guys forward."

Luke inherits guys Byron developed, doesn't have to
play Kobe: "Man, look how much better he is than
Byron"


I mean, it's like the night Trump won. You people really
aren't very bright, are you?

Sheesh.


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>I have no proof he's a better coach than Byron, tho.

This team is .500 right now. The “proof” of whether or not Luke is better is certainly anecdotal but the fact that Luke has been a net positive force for this team isn’t remotely debatable…. And that’s where you’re failing in this.

>Byron goes the the NBA Finals -- "well, of course he did,
>the East was weak."
>Luke coaches the best team ever to an undefeated record:
>"Look how Luke handled all that talent!"

You’re looking at both factors far, far out of context.

D Lo was what… 4? 5 when Byron was winning conference titles?
Yeah, you’re overstating the significance that experience.

>Byron coaches an openly tanking team coddling Kobe in
>a farewell tour: "He's obviously not the guy to carry
>these guys forward."

Another gross oversimplification.
You can’t even have an honest discussion because you’re too focused on your misguided agendas.

>Luke inherits guys Byron developed, doesn't have to
>play Kobe: "Man, look how much better he is than
>Byron"

I don’t see anyone getting benched for making rookie mistakes, so yeah… that’s a plus.
Nobody is denying

>I mean, it's like the night Trump won. You people really
>aren't very bright, are you?

I have no idea what the fuck this is supposed to mean or has to do with anything regarding this team.

It’s a stupid thing to add.

It's telling that you can't keep it to basketball

>It's telling that you can't keep it to basketball

But love is love, I won't go there no more.

I will call you an idiot, tho.

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You mad as fuck and ran straight to your bag of ad hominems.

Because you're Trash.

This team likes Luke. They didn't like Byron. Oh well.

Fuck that got to do with anything?

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They said it was unfair for him to be fired, as much as they like playing for Kerr.

And yet nobody has said that about Byron. Hmmm.

>They said it was unfair for him to be fired, as much as they
>like playing for Kerr.
>
>And yet nobody has said that about Byron. Hmmm.

No, Steph Curry said something about Jackson because
the Warriors owner was talking dirty about Jackson
the FOLLOWING season for NO reason. That's just Steph
being a real G.

They didn't speak on it at the time he was fired.

But that's besides the point:

Some guys are players coaches. Luke and Mark Jackson are.

Some guys who win tons of games and championships aren't.

That has nothing to do with this issue, so this "who likes
who" shit is silly.

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It's probably nice that they don't have puke buckets next to the court for wind sprints anymore.

Thanks to Byron, of course.

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It's a disingenuous argument if you don't evaluate coaching styles. Byron was raised in the bootcamp Pat Riley Era, Luke is the youngest head coach in NBA history. It's one thing when you're coaching Kobe (who idolized the 80's) and another when you're coaching millennials (who idolized Kobe).

>It's a disingenuous argument if you don't evaluate coaching
>styles. Byron was raised in the bootcamp Pat Riley Era, Luke
>is the youngest head coach in NBA history. It's one thing
>when you're coaching Kobe (who idolized the 80's) and another
>when you're coaching millennials (who idolized Kobe).

Ummm If Millennials idolized Kobe, and Kobe is one of the
ass-kicker-ish athletes ever, what are you even talking
about? Byron kicked ass, made a bunch of entitled out of
shape bums, get in shape. And it worked -- ALL the rookies
and young guys were MUCH better players by season's end.

You're just making shit up now to save face. There is NOTHING
wrong with a coach making young dudes run to get their fat
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OE, you're imploding right before our eyes man

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I was highlighting the generational differences. Kids idolize the players older than them.

What's hilarious is you keep harping on kids that can't even drink yet as being "out of shape". That wasn't the point at all, you're missing the forest for the leaves. Byron's style worked 16 years ago, when a number of those players were raised idolizing the players of the 80s. It's not as effective on players who don't know a world without Facebook. That's not necessarily an indictment of Byron, but more a symptom of changing times.

As for hiring Luke, look at the circumstances:

- Highly respected up-and-coming coach coming off 24-0 and 39-4 stand-in coaching stints (received 3 COTY votes)
- Absolutely glowing praise from Warriors players, including from Klay (son of Mychal, long time Laker analyst/color commentator)
- Former fan favorite on the team, with deep ties to Mitch and the Buss family
- Despite Thibodeau showing interest in the job, Lakers never really entertained him (FO also a factor here though)
- Luke actually wanted to coach in LA

Unless his name was Gregg Popovich, there was no chance the Lakers were retaining the current coach if the opportunity to hire Luke was there. Besides the whole "son of HOF'er" thing, Luke has long been characterized as a high IQ player and the reality of him being a head coach in the league has long been expected.

What's my point to all this? Hiring Luke was never a slight to Byron. It's only a slight if you have an agenda and ignore all the context. Luke had the rare combination of pedigree, youth, experience and organizational ties that doesn't come along very often. Unless the Lakers somehow made a deep playoff run, they were going to hire Luke Walton regardless if Byron or Thibs or Brooks or (most) whoever was coaching.

keeping scott when you had a chance to hire walton would be like keeping grunfeld as your gm when you had the chance to hire ijiri. one guy is provenly mediocre, the other guy is an up and comer.

>keeping scott when you had a chance to hire walton would be
>like keeping grunfeld as your gm when you had the chance to
>hire ijiri. one guy is provenly mediocre, the other guy is an
>up and comer.

Byron Scott was in the NBA Finals the last time he coached
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>Byron Scott was in the NBA Finals the last time he coached
>a team with any talent, at all.

He coached the POST-Lebron Cavaliers. Hasn't
gotten any good coaching jobs since.

Again: Give him the SAME chance you give these other
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Yeah, a lot of guys will make the Finals with that.

It's a good thing to have on his resume but you're grossly overstating the significance of that accomplishment, idiot.

See how you can't stick to basketball?
See how you go to shit like 'meds" and "idiot"?
You can't even keep your snark snarky.

Because you're trash.

But gets the blame for the Lakers OPENLY TANKING and
playing Kobe on a goodbye tour?!?!

And Luke gets credit for coaching the best team in
league history to an undefeated record?

Look at your double and triple standards


>See how you go to shit like 'meds" and "idiot"?

>You're trash.

You mad


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Because you're garbage.

>Because you're garbage.

Oh, yes, you mad

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Mad was the guy who made a beeline to the sewer because his basketball arguments were flimsy, dishonest myopic scraps of an easily disproven agenda.

You know, like how you continue to insist that Pringles is somehow beloved among us.

You do that because you're Trash.

Message board arguments aren't for you, sparky.

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You're a pathological liar.

For real

Would never wish ill on some one FOR REAL

Geez.

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:)

Byron was one of the worst coaches this organization has ever had.

>Byron was one of the worst coaches this organization has ever
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glad he's gone.

He said he didn't know what he was supposed to do differently...Not sure how the angry poster who praises Sam Mitchell for explaining to the media what his players needed to improve is praising Byron for not explaining that to the players themselves.

So it's Byron's fault when D-Lo gets benched, but Byron
gets no credit for D-Lo's improvement?

Those are the rules, right?

So D-Lo would have been fine without Byron's coaching?
That was all D-Lo?

Lulz.

>He said he didn't know what he was supposed to do
>differently...Not sure how the angry poster who praises Sam
>Mitchell for explaining to the media what his players needed
>to improve is praising Byron for not explaining that to the
>players themselves.

Well, because all black men don't have to be the same,
actually.

You see -- Sam Mitchell is one black guy who got fired
wrongly. Byron Scott is another. They aren't actually
like one another at all, really. That you've linked them
more than I have says something about you, though. (and
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Btw I'm shitting on Thibs in the other post rather than giving him a pass. I bring up your defense of Sam Mitchell because it's totally inconsistent with your defense of Byron.

ou're not actually interested in discussing and analyzing sports, just being loud and provocative. Any disagreement quickly devolves into your calling people names. You HAVE to be better than this. No one is this sad.

>ou're not actually interested in discussing and analyzing
>sports, just being loud and provocative. Any disagreement
>quickly devolves into your calling people names.

I've been exposed it


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You're the problem.

You should do everyone a favor and take care of said problem.

>You're the problem.
>
>You should do everyone a favor and take care of said problem.

I hope you get some help.

: - (

You're the problem in here.

Please do us all a favor and take care of said problem.

If the only possible solution you can think of is "kill yourself", then you're quite clearly the one who needs help because there are a hundred things you can do before it gets to that point.

Like, you know, cut the agenda bullshit.
Read what people actually write.
Stop making up ridiculous strawmen *cough*pringles*cough.

There are at least 97 more steps before "kill yourself" should be your interpretation.

You know, like see a professional to help you kick your pathological lying.

Make the conscious choice to stop being an insufferable troll.

The fact that you run straight to "off yourself" says worlds about you but nothing about me, so yeah... if anyone here needs help it's you.

Not very nice.

Seemed pretty clear to me that he was saying you need to fix your behavior...If offing yourself is in the forefront of your mind, you honestly might want to care for yourself better, or find a professional to talk to.

People want to be able to have civil discussions in good faith on the board. I honestly don't think anyone here wishes anyone else ill on a personal level. I certainly hope not.

>People want to be able to have civil discussions in good faith
>on the board. I honestly don't think anyone here wishes anyone
>else ill on a personal level. I certainly hope not.

Many of you are socially awkward dweebs, which is beautiful,
and I'm glad you have a space to come and feel welcome (I mean
it) but I have definitely been stalked and threatened many
times through the years.

Pathetic and sad.

Y'all don't really know what humor is, and so you get
upset and throw tantrums when someone says you got a
booger in your nose.

Basa used to talk about this -- we were raised around
grown black people who loved us, but would clown us to
pieces for hours on end, and you'd have to sit there and
take it. It's part of learning how to be a person.

Guys like me and him are rare around here, apparently. Hard
for us to adjust to.

I'm not letting up, tho.

Because some of y'all some stinky breath dweebs, and I'm
gonna tell you about it.

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They only share in common that they were fired prematurely.

Otherwise, be smart enough to be able to discuss them
independently.

>Btw I'm shitting on Thibs in the other post rather than
>giving him a pass. I bring up your defense of Sam Mitchell
>because it's totally inconsistent with your defense of Byron.
>
>ou're not actually interested in discussing and analyzing
>sports, just being loud and provocative. Any disagreement
>quickly devolves into your calling people names. You HAVE to
>be better than this. No one is this sad.

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>So it's Byron's fault when D-Lo gets benched, but Byron
>gets no credit for D-Lo's improvement?

Yes.

Let's not act like he wasn't projected to be a good player. You want Byron to get credit for dude basically doing what he was drafted to do?

>So D-Lo would havebeen fine without Byron's coaching?
>That was all D-Lo?

Absolutely.

Now tell us how mad you are and go back to your weird, out of place ad hominem bullshit.

Just didn't want it to get lost.

This is what I mean by "no one DESERVES anything" and "all decisions should be forward-looking". Even if one coach has done a good job, management's responsibility is not to that coach but to the franchise. If someone they believe would do a better job in future is available, they should make the move. So by definition I don't think "Byron earned the right to coach another year" is a good argument, even were you to judge his tenure more favorably than I do. The argument should be in the form of "Byron would have done a better job going forward than Luke".

Same thing applies to the way management treats players, by the way. Nobody "deserves" anything based on past performance.

But of course, "The Eastern Conference was Weak!!!"

Lulz.

But Luke does well with the best team ever, and "many
that Luke Walton can coach!"

Double. Standard.

Why would we make an excuse in one situation and
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That was the last decent team he coached.

They had runner up in the MVP race Chris Paul, won 56 games, had 2 all stars, and blew a 2-0 lead on the Spurs in the 2nd round. Then they were a 49 game winning 1st round knockout, then Byron got fired 9 games into the following season.

Probably didn't help that they lost by nearly 60 points at home in the playoffs the year before.

Anyway.

Just saying - he had talent on that team and that wasn't the Nets.

Those Hornets teams were completely outmatched in a
LOADED West. That they were outmatched is the exact reason
the Chris Paul legend grew. And Lol @ blowing a lead to the
Spurs. It's the fucking Spurs. Of course they lost to the Spurs.

Dude has overachieved without LOADED teams. Give dude time
to cultivate and he wins games. He was not given that chance with
the Lakers

...is that 31 posts have passed since post #266, and 14 posts have passed since I called attention to post #266. Yet the person I replied to with post #266 still has yet to address the points listed in post #266.

Fact of the matter is, the argument for keeping Byron Scott falls flat on its face when someone has to argue why the Lakers SHOULDN'T hire Luke Walton. In other words, the change in coaches was more about hiring the millennial-friendly coach to coach a team of millennials.

In addition to that, Luke Walton actually had DEEPER ties with the current Laker FO due to his years with the most recent championship squads. It's notable that hiring Luke Walton was one of the very few things that Jim and Jeannie Buss agreed on despite their very public family feud.

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Quote: "I think he is our best free-agent signing in a few years," Lakers president Jeanie Buss said.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17840266/los-angeles-lakers-dynasty-derailed

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Even DA GAWD noted that Thibodeau was spurned because Luke Walton was at the top of the coaching search:

As @WojVerticalNBA has reported, Tom Thibodeau absolutely would have given the Lakers a look. Timing is everything in life.

https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/724636746345009153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

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Maybe we should hear from Mychal Thompson, Lakers color analyst for well over a decade:

Trudell: What did Klay say about Luke?

Thompson: He made the right adjustments, used the right tone as far as speaking with his players and motivating his players. He made the right moves. They believed in him a lot, just as much as Steve Kerr. So the players, they endorsed him. They said, “This guy knows what he’s doing.” He’s a good coach and he’s young, he communicates with young guys, he understands young guys. He will bring a new system here a lot like what the Warriors employ up there.

I just think it’s a perfect fit. I get so sick and tired of people telling us, “With all that talent he’s supposed to win.” If you’re going to discount what Luke did as a coach, are you going to discount what John Wooden did? What Pat Riley did? Red Auerbach? Didn’t they have talent? You can’t win without talent.

http://www.lakersnation.com/mychal-thompson-warriors-players-believed-in-luke-walton-as-much-as-steve-kerr/2016/04/29/

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So, to reiterate myself yet again, Luke Walton wasn't hired to get rid of Byron Scott, he was hired because he's Luke Walton. Outside of maybe Gregg Popovich, there's no way the Lakers were retaining their current coach, regardless of the color of his skin.

no.

just no.

..all the agenda/mad-making-bs in the world won't change the fact that the lakers made the right move in hiring luke walton.

byron scott did a solid job of introducing the business of professional sports to this young team, but its fairly obvious that they respond well to walton's approach to the game.

right today: walton trumps scott.

scott's reputation as a hard nosed, straight forward leader was well-earned as a player and coach. only time will tell if walton lives up to his potential and earns tenure long enough to surpass those accolades. as for now, the simple fact of the matter is that luke walton is the rare exception to the rule and its working.

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...