To hell with all these intangibles and future potentials and plea cop mumbo jumbo...

Who is the better shooter?
Who is the better passer?
Who would you feel confident leading your team to a victory?


Who is the better PG right now? Spice or Ky Ky


I want to put an emphasis on NOW, because if we bring up the past, we would have to mention Spice shooting 48% and 49% from the field, we would have to mention him getting better assist numbers while playing in the backcourt with Monta's inaccurate gunning ass...

So let's talk about now.

2 scoring pg's
2 shooters


Who better?

Poll question: Let's be honest...Who is the better PG right now!

Poll result (47 votes) Stephen Curry (23 votes) Vote Kyrie Irving (24 votes) Vote

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He came to the league, not really a PG at Davidson...


...came in lighting it up from the field and playing with a dominant scorer...

...shooting a phenomenal percentage from the field and from 3...

...lost the top scorer of his team and is leading his team to the playoffs and playing great team ball...



He is doing it how is should be done.

>lost the top scorer of his team and is leading his team to
>the playoffs and playing great team ball...

Lee was only out one game...and they lost. calm down.

Steph is the best player on the team

kyrie just got it, man
at the age of 20, what he's doing is crazy

note: i'm a warriors fan

But they are so close right now that I'm not sure if either team's records would change much should they switch teams.

and I'm probably giving him too much credit by calling him average.

Like, not one minute.

He is fabulous at creating his own offense.



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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

enough to see a winded Curry (who played all 48 mins) get blocked, congrats on that, well done


had your attention span been a little longer, and you watched the ENTIRE game you'd see STeph was literally creating his own shots all night


dude was making Felton look .... chubby

Steph got balls too....

when you have confidence in your J it's a beautiful thing



Stephen Curry is the best shooter in the league right now 45% 46% 90%

games he's played in.

He spent almost the entire game literally making his own shots.

And then stating one play to somehow make it valid is even funnier. You couldn't be more wrong.

this dude said... never mind... just wow

somehow it sounds even fucking dumber the second time around

.

Amazing how we still won both times.

i'm almost certain kyrie has a string of top 3 mvp years coming. steph has to fight his way into all star games.

Kyrie would be dreaming of an all star bid this year as well...


it's cool to hype him up, I get it...


but he doesn't shoot better than Spice
he doesn't have better court vision than Spice

he just dribbles better, but Spice will tap them ankles...

neither are defensive stoppers


Spice should get far more credit for the success he is having.


Kyrie couldn't even win with Varejao...all the apologists were on that, but but but he needs better teammates...



A nigga name Festus started more than half of the season for Golden State

Harrison Barnes, Klay Thompson rounded out the starters...

that Golden State team is NOT amazing at all.

this will be revisited come playoffs...



in case you weren't aware

Playoffs are what happens at the end of a season when teams that are good (the top 8 from each conference) get together to see who is the best of the league.

I know you have never seen Kyrie play in one so it may seem like a myth, but they happen every year.



Harrison Barnes will be there in the playoffs with Spice so when they start, you have some motivation to actually watch.




you are watching a thing of beauty with Spice...
any other player shooting 43% his rookie year 44% his second year 45% his third year and 46% this season ( FROM 3) would get praise...

46% 48% 49% and a drop at 44% this season are great numbers from the field


and putting up 6.5 assists to Festus, Harrison, Klay, Dramond and nem...



I mean Kyrie's 6.5 assists a game is good too...

oops, I mean 5.6 (fucking dyslexia)


get your pleas ready for May

Besides his not helping your agenda.

Curry is playing with Lee, Jarrett Jack and two youngsters who know their role.

Kyrie's playing alongside Waiters who is figuring out what the hell to do, Tristan Thompson who is the king of the low impact double-double, Tyler Zeller, and Alonzo Gee. And while I respect the shit out of Shaun Livingston for remaining in the league after his injury issues, he's not exactly 6th man material.

Steph deserves more recognition for what he's been doing and Kyrie definitely is in danger of becoming a fun player to watch but not necessarily a winning PG but Steph is most certainly playing on a much better team.

>Besides his not helping your agenda.
>

Lee = Anderson...

If Kyrie w/ Anderson was winning most of the games, I wouldn't have an argument...

but when Anderson went down for the season, they were like 5-22


27 games in Golden State were 18-9


with Festus, Barnes, Klay, Spice and Lee in the starting lineup...

AGAIN

Festus, Barnes (rookie), Klay and Lee


>Curry is playing with Lee, Jarrett Jack and two youngsters who
>know their role.
>







>Kyrie's playing alongside Waiters who is figuring out what the
>hell to do,

Barnes is figuring out what the hell to do, Waiters putting up better numbers as a rookie...

somehow Waiters figuring out is worse than Harrison's?????

Tristan Thompson who is the king of the low impact
>double-double,

Festus Ezeli is the king of the low impact NOTHING AT ALL!!!


Tristan is good and early in the season he was low impact and trash, but now he is decent right???

FOH


Tyler Zeller, and Alonzo Gee. And while I
>respect the shit out of Shaun Livingston for remaining in the
>league after his injury issues, he's not exactly 6th man
>material.
>


Golden State has Draymond, (another rook) The ghost of Biedrins, Jeremy Tyler...and some dudes I never heard of...




>Steph deserves more recognition for what he's been doing and
>Kyrie definitely is in danger of becoming a fun player to
>watch but not necessarily a winning PG but Steph is most
>certainly playing on a much better team.




Golden State is not much better... if they ARE better it's because STEPH MAKES THEM BETTER!!!!



Imagine the shit I will talk if Cleveland plays ANOTHER game without Kyrie and pulls off a W



but his team is MUCH WORSE...FOH


Steph - Kyrie
Waiters - Klay
Anderson (Half a season)/Tristan - Lee
Zeller - Ezeli
Barnes - Gee
Speights - Landry
Miles - Green
Livingston - Jefferson



these teams are scrubs but one plays as a team and the other are the Cavs

who's been HUGE for that team.

Here's the breakdown of the top 8 so far this season.
C: Anderson/Zeller vs Bogut/Festus
PF: Tristan vs. David Lee
SF: Gee vs. Barnes
SG: Waiters/Boobie vs. Klay
PG: Livingston vs. Jack
SF: Miles vs. Jefferson
PF: Speights (15 games)/Luke Walton vs. Carl Landry
F: Luke Walton vs. Draymond Green

Center is the only position that the Warriors are worse at and the benches aren't even close.

>who's been HUGE for that team.
>
>Here's the breakdown of the top 8 so far this season.
>C: Anderson/Zeller vs Bogut/Festus

Cleveland is MUCH better

>PF: Tristan vs. David Lee

Lee has Tristan faded but Tristan is far from a slouch

>SF: Gee vs. Barnes

I am TEAMBARNES but remind me why is what makes Gee suck in comparison? Their numbers are similar and Gee has put up more points.

Gee has a slight advantage but you could call it a wash

>SG: Waiters/Boobie vs. Klay

Again... Waiters 17.9 and about 4 ast off 41% while trade bait Klay giving you 16 with the same %

advantage Waiters


>PG: Livingston vs. Jack

Advantage Jarret Jack

>SF: Miles vs. Jefferson


Miles in a landslide


>PF: Speights (15 games)/Luke Walton vs. Carl Landry

close to a wash but Landry has been more solid


>F: Luke Walton vs. Draymond Green

advantage Green

>
>Center is the only position that the Warriors are worse at and
>the benches aren't even close.
>


So the Warriors have 3 rookies (2 of which have started most of the season) and Klay with some journeymen and David Lee....and that is much better than Cleveland...

yet Cleveland manages to win without Kyrie...


not buying it.

>who's been HUGE for that team.
>
>Here's the breakdown of the top 8 so far this season.
>C: Anderson/Zeller vs Bogut/Festus
>PF: Tristan vs. David Lee
>SF: Gee vs. Barnes
>SG: Waiters/Boobie vs. Klay
>PG: Livingston vs. Jack
>SF: Miles vs. Jefferson
>PF: Speights (15 games)/Luke Walton vs. Carl Landry
>F: Luke Walton vs. Draymond Green
>
>Center is the only position that the Warriors are worse at and
>the benches aren't even close.
>
>
>


Anderson, Livingston are winning with Curry while Walton coaches...

Funny how that worked out.

>you are watching a thing of beauty with Spice...
>any other player shooting 43% his rookie year 44% his second
>year 45% his third year and 46% this season ( FROM 3) would
>get praise...
>



people don't get a chance to watch Curry play enough to really appreciate what he's doing

after his best game EVAR in fact.

i LOOVE curry. he was my second pick in survivor despite pre-season ankle scare number 2. kyrie is still better. there are really good guards out there.

and don't even bullshit. it doesn't have shit to do with who was in in the east....kyrie would have definitely made it. rondo was replaced by a dude already. if rose was a factor kyrie still would have been over half of the reserves. if you want to just look at the position he's clearly in over jrue.

>i'm almost certain kyrie has a string of top 3 mvp years
>coming. steph has to fight his way into all star games.


I thought about it more and looked into their numbers. Everything is pretty similar from regular to advanced stats. Steph actually beats Kyrie in a lot of categories and has more wins (typical OKS argument)

I think the big argument is Steph's injury proneness.

Kyrie has a big hype machine behind him and I say this in a complimentary way--because its deserved. Whats a better word for hype machine? Just a lot of people love him right now--he's basically hate proof in the media. The only place Ive seen him hated on is this board. Reminds of Blakes rookie year when he could do absolutely no wrong.

Steph in the east mightve gotten that spot over Kyrie because of wins.

Kyrie has a higher ceiling imo but the original post said right now.

If the big argument against Steph is injuries, then Steph wins since Kyrie seems to be just as injury prone so far.

the ankle obviously is a factor

gstate's offensive reputation and underappreciated coaching are factors...and the roster is a lot better. cleveland has a lot of talent but almost no experience. no one on the roster has experience winning other than being open for kobe and bron.

him being the best thing on all star weekend since durant playing horse is a factor

but its mostly about age and upside. steph could still be ray allen good or hall of fame good without winning any mvps.

>the ankle obviously is a factor
>
>gstate's offensive reputation and underappreciated coaching
>are factors...and the roster is a lot better. cleveland has a
>lot of talent but almost no experience. no one on the roster
>has experience winning other than being open for kobe and
>bron.
>
>him being the best thing on all star weekend since durant
>playing horse is a factor
>
>but its mostly about age and upside. steph could still be ray
>allen good or hall of fame good without winning any mvps.

I ask right now who is better and cats talking bout IN 3 YEARS....


NO RIGHT NOW!

there is the past. there is the future.

2) RIGHT NOW kyrie is slightly better too if you look at raw numbers and clearly better (imo) if you factor in conditions around him.

The ONLY THING Kyrie does better is dribble.


ONLY



Steph can score
Steph shoots better, quick release
Steph better court vision


Steph is a better PG



simple



not one reason Kyrie should be picked over him that doesn't begin with....in 3 years....

Kyrie is clearly more valuable, but is he BETTER? This is a legitimate question.

>
>but its mostly about age and upside. steph could still be ray
>allen good or hall of fame good without winning any mvps.



Steph creates his own shots off the dribble, and is a CAREER 45 pct from three. 45 pct is a really good avg for a catch and shoot guy like Ray (whose avg is closer to .40 i think), but for a PG who isnt playing off the ball coming off screens ...that's an amazing stat all things considered

>the ankle obviously is a factor
>
>gstate's offensive reputation and underappreciated coaching
>are factors...and the roster is a lot better. cleveland has a
>lot of talent but almost no experience. no one on the roster
>has experience winning other than being open for kobe and
>bron.
>


we've won without our starting center, replacing him with a cat named Festus Ezeli lol... and Brandon Rush (big contributor on defense for us last year) went down the first weeks of the season

two crucial injuries right there, but it hasn't fazed us becuase Steph has been lights out


Cleveland's roster doesn't have much exp winning, true. But GS STate's roster does???? ... difference is we have a PG who is carrying this team on his back right now

If I'm offering either of them a contract at the end of this season, it's Kyrie, but their talent-level is a lot closer than a lot of people are willing to admit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5zGkqAWsWE

Like:

13 idiots...
Vindication...


I even thought about being technical
http://bkref.com/tiny/lrXmS


But then playoff numbers would be unfair...



So I will just let the post speak for itself.

he's vindicated regardless

Curry is beasting in the playoffs while Kyrie's doing his best Rakim, thinkin of a master plan

steph's BREAKOUT year is barely above kyrie's injury-riddled ho-hum 2nd season. that says a lot.

Without his all star post scorer and Harrison Barnes finishing at the rim.

Curry got handles but his are silky smooth. Kyrie's is on Chris Paul's level: smooth, fast, and strong.

all this on no ankles...


Kyrie is to dribbling what Jason Richardson was to dunking.

Its all pretty but if you don't win, after a while ehh what's the point.


Nigga makes the best crossover ankle breakers ever seen in a 20 point loss.

>Nigga makes the best crossover ankle breakers ever seen in a
>20 point loss.

discounting the 3, i think kyrie is the better individual talent. curry is just on fire right now.

so that this dumb shit can end. or rather, that goal post will then be: "why does he not have a title in year 4?"

and brings in an Andre Miller type PG to really run the team



Then Kyrie can fall short of Allen Iverson's glory too...

Are they gonna move Westbrook to the 2?
or Rose to the 2?

because as long as he is spouting insanity, unfairness is all thats gonna be out there

the other is playing pickup games with The Marine...

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

that exchange above occurred two years ago. I almost thought it was two days ago.

...so much right

This is the same guy who insisted that Isaiah Thomas was better than Kyrie in a poll.

This is the same guy who insisted that the Cavs should trade Kyrie and roll with Jeremy Pargo because he made them a better team.

He didn't even *really* get this post as right as he could've because he said to waive all future potential considerations, and while Curry *did* end up with better stats than Kyrie in 2012-2013, it was not the level of better he is today.

2012-2013:
Curry: 22.9/4/6.9/1.6/.2/45% from the field/45% from 3
Kyrie: 22.5/3.7/5.9/1.5/.4/45% from the field/39% from 3

He was just doing what he always did: firing buckshot style shots at Kyrie in attempts to provoke a poster who would fire shots at Rose. I'm not convinced he really believed in any of what he said (in fact, I think in that Pargo post, he more or less admitted that he was doing all of these Kyrie posts just to troll).

When you combine the context of FromTheGo's posting history with the fact that 2012-2013 was by *far* Curry's best season to date, it's easy to see why so many people disagreed with this post (though no one could possibly defend Haj's breakdown of Curry, not even then).

*EDIT*: in fact, I now see that FromTheGo *waited* to make this post until the day Kyrie was having an MRI on his injured knee. He didn't even make this post until after the season was over halfway through *and* one of the players was hurt, in order to make his "W" as cheap and cowardly as humanly possible. Good grief.

To say you were wrong about Kyrie.

it's okay tho. i'd LOVE to see them in the finals again...everyone fully operational. would prefer it, actually.

kyrie ended up being the one who stagnated and curry blew the fuck up

he's still only 23 so he still has 3-4 years to catch up but it'll be pretty damn hard now

Whooooo, that Haj response is funniest joke I've read in a while.

If it wasn't a dude who I know is generally a nice and rational poster, I'd have sworn he was trolling.

He really hates most Bay Area teams.

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